פרוטוקול פתוח #9: התת-מודע חשוף: איך הוא מנהל אותנו ביום-יום? | אורלי איצקוביץ'

אנחנו אוהבות לחשוב שאנחנו מנהלות את החיים שלנו בצורה רציונלית, מקבלות החלטות מודעות ושולטות ברגשות ובפעולות שלנו. אבל האמת הפיזיולוגית והפסיכולוגית היא שיש מערכת שלמה, עמוקה וסמויה מן העין שמנהלת את ההצגה מתחת לפני השטח: התת-מודע.

השבוע ב'פרוטוקול פתוח', אני יושבת לשיחה פתוחה ונטולת פילטרים עם הפסיכולוגית הקלינית המומחית אורלי איצקוביץ', במטרה לעשות את מה שרובנו מנסים לעשות כל החיים – להבין את התת-מודע.

משהו קטן משתנה בחדר טיפול עוד לפני שמבינים למה: טון שנשבר, שתיקה שנמתחת, תחושה בבטן שמבקשת שנעצור. אנחנו יוצאים למסע בין פסיכותרפיה, טיפול רגשי והקשבה עמוקה, כדי להבין איך עובדים עם מה שלא נאמר ואיך מזהים כשהלא מודע נכנס להגה.

אנחנו מדברים בגובה העיניים על אינטואיציה בטיפול פסיכולוגי: לא ככוח על טבעי, אלא כיכולת לקלוט סימנים עדינים ולנסח אותם כהשערה אחראית. דרך דוגמאות מהקליניקה אנחנו בודקים איך ידע מקצועי, תיאוריה וניסיון נפגשים עם תחושת בטן, ואיך סופרויז׳ן והדרכה עוזרים לנו להבחין בין מה ששייך לנו לבין מה שעולה מהמטופל ומהקשר בינינו.

החלק המאתגר באמת מגיע כשצריך להבדיל בין אינטואיציה לחרדה. שתיהן חיות בגוף, אבל הן מספרות סיפורים שונים: חרדה דוחפת לוודאות ולסכנה, אינטואיציה משאירה מקום לסימן שאלה ולכיוון. משם אנחנו עוברים למיינדפולנס וליכולת למצוא שקט בתוך רעש פנימי, ואז למנגנוני הגנה ולשאלה איך מפרקים אותם בהדרגה בתוך קשר טיפולי יציב בלי להציף, בלי להאיץ ובלי לשחזר כאב.

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Transcript

פתיחה והכניסה לקליניקה

SPEAKER_03 0:00

As Metupalim, me viim et la clinica bigatup. A mano se law zelo kure mazmina chove. Kenze zolama podcasting, okay, mata. When you vary that psychological and the protocol patouach, podcast is the first time. Ani, kilo kakh me de varzekulkah, a zoe bay nai, zebihal andui ani kilo yesh devarkash. Ani kilo anloch, zek zebaro.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

Ken? Can wow. Lo optia.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

Okay. Zebkashelifam lamin. Kilo zekmo zekmo lamin be loin kilo alomuda. Aval anikal al-matav shebo benadama gia layh, m saper la kalamundi alma shaani hotala sot. Mato sabrega email shat makshivalo, ki looki ani loba to kakama z manyanot, msi kek ng negidmi, ve kama kama, ve ma gol, ve miki bele tekartisatov, asma ko ego torega.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

Bara maikonit qbenadam malet verimany. Shani kwaagam litanian bezev, mtats mim deberedito canas no kirbitohumisha. Ani yakshiv be etem maum dercha mondial. Mm. Kil maum se perlat'smo. Mm. Zem shem etemashani ksiv. Kiluzota sha la be etemjani shu el tetmi but automatit kwa val me odashela shemanha kolsipo. Call the vawa, shav ichher ve otoshlo karalo zeve zeve zeveze, lishma lhshov ou lakshiv lemma ou misaperbetemalatma.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

Ken, ani zahipam dibano anivat al ze betak lefang no shha memlach. Ati kilo wow, beth yesha na shim shibba'im vioshvimlach alze kamo baboke mashuk van yomerit the kulkach no gedita yhole tati vit shili lit mudadima devarzeshaniomerit kilo orly. Eh to side the merit that and is hochha mattli zalom sha mta vichlal.

SPEAKER_02 4:30

At mamash makshiva lame ev can zamanim na sa ni rali sh the banner zodi banners ba. Zemamash lam shanakiza ko la m. Aval ani gamik shiv lemasha benadam b'ma merder. The gamin benadamna gidya ta yom bekeshi mamon ani in servin ma korepo. Ala toh en ala talih, almashikorabitoh kesher, al makura betohhi betohzehalo sifedze, sh animanasala vodal zmodgashe, mutkufahamal makoreba gufelo, toh kade show meda berlze. Mit kavet naim ehun shem ekhu nekudata m kilo imu ishirma baat, mu ridma bat, ma koreba ba kasher beneno, the khelikma bituim shelo kasher. Kan. As yesham ku kahar ba informatih shall is ta mehma ni loidate ma la khi dimanyo dachik shani makadma shwani fasfessadim khrim. Zoam kedai loli druha, kenani druhaz si man ki kelik me nian od, buti pulicha nio le fi. Kilum bokhati pul tzikliot gambezem da emit k zatem ki basof alomu da, meno thalt, love ver tam ba milim, ba then, o holgam la vob, anithal synchrono reverie, and uh tagaminut lemashikko le khabe toh zmh shha voto vote le kabo sh at any lap wow. Okay. Zo lech canate fisota well emani druha ng shavy ash li t kufasha ni be metazemashuvanimasa la simlev be met la meidagufani. Mashu shani lo meument bo bichla nifesit male, nilo kata drachhabek shivlit varimba drach rezadhamit su lemet, umerlit varim khbadha echze v na shampo ka nama, tho na khozrimakhwa, we mister klimash. Az anim shesha fesiteta y shivani kha dafkovi shivani kha, ime odmushmoutit ki ki azbe mvrim dvarim kilo lomu da shelem tu palme de berim alomu da shelem to pel. Wow ze atila zebe met zema shak kohita vini.

SPEAKER_03 7:48

Alzani ze zeketa kilo ani be m balekana yom, mena sala vinita mrhav shelasamoi mina ain baklinika. Zemashani o talavin. Ki zekulkar ka shelly lavin, zekulkar kas shelly litfosa te devarze, ki lodat atraya be be revadi mar beta mukimi meni ulay. Um azaniotala vinga matnagit samalev ler be dvarim shem love def kane emarim. Navalamesh masho muda, kilo anlotim zelom muda. Ani samalev le mah shavotu la shovat le benadam shia vo kilo ba energia shel kilo kalatiti sh vibe blomeduyak, or ka avaze abenadam kilo clearligamashadere. Zelo lomuda.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Shader u umudailav. Okay. Achumdotoshov alomudashilov damashinik, na lomudashelach. Himale, atem viname? Lo mudashelah, atomeret regga, nicho shavitelze, anim orgishashaben damzaz kacha az omershu kacha azh umudaleshavan anime fash. Nah, Avalhochu a benam shani ma mashla mudales in shazem shumavirze lomu dai uula muda. Nahon atishlicha. Na, zanim kudata naha gishimli, or shelon gishimli berega tun.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

Uh as as the atmetered be met matzav, shaboyesh melhhav, benechleven metupal, sho samuiminain, betocha clinica.

הקשבה עמוקה מעבר למילים

SPEAKER_03 9:45

Ken, samui can, can. Any law wide and benadam odagnosti, and you melt skepti, any kashely kilo.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

Samoiminain. Kilo any koshe la samy again. Lhomashu sh.

SPEAKER_03 10:09

Kilo op is a pashut law f shere line roted. Zaketa shelasamoy. I can. I can a same last year the phashout of eshakure varze shekayamba clinica, or lam shalemhhav shalem shajametslehem, makore michutzla klinika. Bahima mi team za dine kayam. Kiluwani minasarhov, abinadamashav Yasan. Bahut Abenadam Yatsarv mea klinika ani kilo shelochovrotli baoch ze ulo kakahito etabgisha o bihhlal boina de beiral a la lomuda bahaim atzmam kilo zhukmargishli kmo e yekumakbil. Kacha za margeshli. Athala zbirle benadam, shwani sheloma vineta de verve za margeshlo kmo yekumakbil. Ani kilo anni azbirak tfisakan rean the broadbem metal mashu sho lobo legan. So decket, loko sheli, u kashali andi batil po.

SPEAKER_02 11:26

Zgamashela shon miya marsheshlomuda the shelatova. Nachhan galichuva tovaleze.

SPEAKER_03 11:33

Mhm. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

Aval can feel canat bathalata muna shavtia zeniya dine. Yashbe zimashu, be nai, what pamz itfisashali, yashbe zimashu, kin e alish kshhatama'amin ani loben a dam the tea khaviti ka muna, whenir alishata ma'min, zebami za yedi a lorra kulai lotalkulam val Zelorak maqshava o mish Allah, ze zhvayap ni mi chha. Anhshafcham aytihsuta lomu da, yeshbezhu element shu gam tidadat maqshva intellectuali t'oretit, Aval yeshgam is khvajashali dia.

SPEAKER_03 12:25

Nahon, yeshmashu nkhon. Kilo afilo yeshdvarim sha nima min nabeem, okay betobbenadam lodati, shafilo ktat kashelim dat kmosha ktat kashelimuda. Azani aval ken yeshdvarim sha ni legamri yodat vani lokla oh kyaqlah, vi zigamu ulay od lokara, avalani yodat, sze sham, vize mechakeli, izvraim kilo shani zhe intuitia. Ken, we kilo ensefeka zabiklad. Ken za intuitia? Zemashze.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

Lodi mzbidu kma intuitia. Intuitia zizi thu sha shesh kalga be mashusholi kot. Ulaimata mash ulay mish mwe odma minba intuitia chlo za gamal gishka.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

Nahan holiot. Ula intuitia za kaza shlavlifnea muna. Icholiot ba ba omakshle yediya.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

O shek sha ta ma min aza intuitia in khvetke yedia. Nachon. Kyanita mid inagidnim intuitia shli thu shha shal enli zda ut bekashia la devaras gama loli cot in kh. Awangidala lomuda enlisafek. Atomerta zekayam z locayam echhodim shakyam to khilishka. Ki to shotte biklal shiza man yan. Aval ani za kavayashela devarze? Ani that ma psychologi ma khrim shible zer shavu. Avralia mila kesem kelu ksa ksha ta yo ksha devarze. Ukore, loba ru, la zbiroto.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

Le za hotan shela lomuda shima bene shame. Loba king.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

One of Fred been common very pool, a lap gishava, nahan. Sha been a dam odbam. But fisa sh lomuda. Khaza, uh, nah shlomuda z. Shala can shall tora dynamit me pihal tfisa psychoanalytical zomash kulan mistoim khalakim lomudaim, khalakim smuhim lomuda, khalakim muudaim. Minastam Bebasof Arbepa mima khu shwim shahum bigalmashumaftim tachem shlan bigalmashua lomudashim khalik me odmo gadol, belanaveto tano, shutmisaprimlat'manispurim as azot fisak, mutti as sipur shamperlat'maze laf dafka ma shibemet, korello bachhaim ni autobaim. Imajlo sipurto, jhmziko totov, vigam enloi z mashu ba lomu dashio shikhozerve mafgisho toimze machsom ikuv loidat mashush mafrielo bachhaim, mazgum sababa, ka ta media and a kha media nulla mudagaim na voda la muda khma alamuda faklomuda, yeshem la mudazelo baze to kimutano bito la man initka, la maninitka. Bio klama yesh mashhozeral tum shovushou baim sheli shozar shovusho margish koelkamashu rikshi o ba tifkood. Well uh shlavim la klinika orle mifgash inhole call mifgash menon. But

הלא מודע ככוח שמנהל אותנו

SPEAKER_02 17:12

so ideally zebirot ma ba muslach nimsa etam shot metapel. As kilo zerpelan between the oryot zerbeta mukafil mizhik, foit khav shot ka lack veshmit to palve a colo shlachot vacola vara, and ingle mazhaf benadam vita tumbelovesh ba but guvot ba botpanim but a mech and shamashim but the patruchal colo mehatam to pell, avalba micronit, bamifgash benchne as yashita me to pell yesh tamba but fisak classita me to palka classit and the varan me to pal me vite that's more a metapel paut and the diute aval yesh a dine mifgashne gam chne lomuda. The gam not sarze machu specifne shimel. But uh specifashur m'sha cole khad ba muda balomuda as yesh gamze lomudami shotafulani caloze yash mashum shotafam youthme apgisha nishari m't smokeam nish a rak bamif kash zem taraf im at smovim alomudashalo shavara od pamanim de bert ahipashta niba lam rohal mataraisha im yesh zorim lomudaim shebemet makshima laadam.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Stamarat yesh derech legare eta chomot.

SPEAKER_02 19:51

What pam zehi the kilo teoria psisitri show nit kazu freud. Shozele uh samin kmuk di muika zeshilkochon, shashet mash orebikauchhon shiza muda. Samohla akilomata hoferkata megarishamza muhla muda mudas emashuba ma kimfar ha anakaseshua khon. Shuba ma kim sha taloi dea ma godil shelok shata mista kelpneashetah ve aval asamohla muda u mi chutzla maim. Zatomerichi ima ta reg yoshev khoshev az ui chola lot, hol de be love, ye love.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

Kilo zhe as tzvireli echanikilo echani lokakat zele lemakom prakti shele m gamb befora lama ni tcha l'agia le tipul psychologi kedele gred etalemala vele na sotle agia be metla lomuda, anim vina shye bigla sha lomu dam filotano bekominet varem shetokimutan uzanim vina. Aval echba fal kiluzekorek gambe tipul, ekbenadam sh ulay loya gia tipul, ek uye kholathil gredvara z kodam kolot rehlot muda sh unitka. Na, khzarate olaila selotov.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Na kh, mz gamla deva shoot lilot.

SPEAKER_03 21:20

Lyot mudaza giruda richon, uhhoshov. Lohushautizaf pam be mousagim el kilangirta chuwakalarega anime de bird be musagimod ma ma shim khalala gat baim can.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Ava ni koshavchama za shelati pool sibot, or coma dwim shani lo shauchu ben dame khulasot levad. Okay. Aval be korabati pool the Al echabenadam mitna egg me daber, me saper, me givea coural become be malachom. Shall shevet veleot magdalet alayk as the mammit or back shallet him the dear gambitoch? Oshem bayim debi tu ebeshka be keshirmatzmechato. Batem atame vi eta etabgisha le ainusfet meetracha shele hamitapelamitapel. V' az kilu supervision v' az od ain od binadam mistakela interactive vi her beba mim Amadrich Shelly or Merlin Verim shall kha shavtia la ema shallor eiti o shikhhoz rimaltwam visfasti o shino gimbe zo rim shelly muter gishim as kasjali roto tam lomuda imitsli.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

Ah

אינטואיציה מול ידע מקצועי

SPEAKER_03 24:31

sipori madra ki ani anni loya dati alze, a tvanit khavarnu. Avalani loya vanti tasi po sheladrcha loya dati ve ani mod zu khertze k sh at sipartli sheshlach madrich ve shelpim pashut yesh madrhim the elgishlik kolkach na kon ve kulkach meduyak ve kulkach eti vezani kilub tohaim lekulam yeshedze vezebidu kmosha amat kilo a atmi viagam etat smeh ze tchayevet kilu od ain be kedelitapel batsurahitovasha thorah.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Can well can call yeshovatha ad shallav misuyam shalom. Ken, awl oatpam ze etl psychologi m klini, yash million psychotherapist m become the zever and laid at macorish. Awel a nim gishasha dh bishvili adrchai mastelegam renotenli otzikolasman gam ezeb dikashella tsmi, vegam archavashela e cholet lil rotvarim batoha bgisha.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

Aval e zegam nisch maligam na hon. Kilo ani azuch, zishni szeam mitsuya no chilach, ki mitsuy not zugameri t'e dophen. Avalar bersi mze. Anywzalah zawega linech la intuitia. Shileza aktiamilazot lomu duberet azot, a intuitia azot, a tushad beten ha'im hi beetem min lomu da shil a benadam hasheni shemu avarelen, atmina maret, anio shevet po we shieta intuit the kilumam shiket ma' mashadibana mekodem. Anio shevet po marisha z vibe we lay behem shekhamasha mat mikodem za lomu dashelah, shem shaderelaimashu kodamkol, anigamota, veritahnial al lama arbemeita nugamitalmim kazot aval avalani mitalemit. Kilo kenihhovashe meachaim, the berim albe anashim kolazman medabrimita beten, call as man lama kumitalmim zhaim, zebesedam kilo ma matomeratal koldevare psychologi animalgisha broad konkul kehana shimveh machim. Lo kenye gillah lama, kya misha le fitho shete betorben adam sholo psycholog, shoderekh Bishvili e l'amhish of me eta l'homuda.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

Ken, la shella mwa ki lun shela manya t mea gamani y sukaba. Ken Kongo Nikhševichi um shovel me anikhosh ima latielze alintuitia val empatia, annih intuitia's. Aval gam gamithoti pool. Aval the gam de var shit anohshwa kha imbevra s notenit ma kom l intuitia, o me od deadetak shovala intuitia, o zekilo ma shushuhba o lama maraviki la klasis. Ala kuts ha kolasman go go go go. Ken a elfit las pikmaledwarim theavkzat vak shovala tzmihav za tsira li fumim the mashusalich davit lifom nich kodim kol t makdi zakisha maledv.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

Na khon.

להבדיל בין אינטואיציה לחרדה

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Aniotara vin betem im thushat beten zekilo ye zek zekhozalemasha manomikodem ala ala ulaisiach ben snei lo mudaim. Mazathushat beten shelah. Kan ve vehaim kilo beetem animwala k shivlze, kilo ima domienete, imani ma' anishheidze im Aleph, nahon ešte serete shele Disney. Nahon, nahonhan. Azimani manishheidze kaze ka kika ni ani morgisham mashielda basiachase ki ki ani ani alda basiachase kilo ani morgishashe mishu katan chhamud oselikah a la katef mininim B Zethushad beten.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

Ken, na kon. Aval kun call intuitia kani khti bati shivogambat be khadati pulim Zavam Rukav Thrushad beten. Kilu Z. Mukav kigam kharadao sathrushad beten.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

Okay. As Khashov Mashatam.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

As echhat yodatim Zekharadahadao merita gav dvrimga mim simankria. Na khan nahun. Zitaut zita'utlasa dehak movila tzmak katastrofa ohz ima thosha betharada intuitia.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Az anihomaze shall animargi shai a beten numerat leadze simbo simanche la vin maze. Zerunishma khada. Ube mat nish ube met bau.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

Lefze ka. Wow. Ehch benadam ragil me zaheeta evdel ben trusat eh intuit. Intuitia le kharada.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

Wa zeshela animamtiata chwatoh kaday ken? Ya la.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

Speak, atma speak baulama zek day lagilimathoshevet.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Can vegam baulam shelat'mi bait boninut ani ani be metrushevit sh intuitia yotera dina. Okay, badinot. Ve kharada ima shusho merlik advarimba metbesiman kriya. Ve imyashle khatha sh ata batu dekma ma sha kilushizota mharševa a mi tita khida yesh zhe kuthirda tit. Wow. Az kilo intuizia i kilu notante za kivun.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Ima ni mam shi khala kvot eta siman kriya yom khariyom. Itasiman kriya ken yeshmatsav shizet khusat betem, kilo an kia kharada gam khada.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

Shalam sha kvot yom khariyom. Lo begalim adze kholiot ki loškel atzodek kharada e begalimstaluikwa Mautzmashjalov ez kharadav anilo tla gilhu zev khanakasha a valanihovich canchu intuitia za kivun meditatia. Mim lama shelat medbo. Tiri ola gamai gamlo le kulam, shucha meditatia, besofosholo, kha nitrigalti meditatia gidar bedwemal meditatia. Bikar ola devarhikoshu vlagid medita, shikashela de biralea. And lochoshev chala vir eta de varze bimilim Avalani koshevich besufosh dvati gul vimun she tati ilushal meditazia u mgbireti holeta khalla. Vimehot termir khavla khil azhol terlot kashuvla t'ma terlifgo shita etaul lambe kolminehut behut yutergdola zamun.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

Zhe holeh lyot cliche shemf shanu gisha la lamoda.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

Ledati la gamre umarhiv emuma kiv te hole chala kildvarim, gambe to khozugamhifte hole chel dvarim la lot la thof kazan. Gamre gamre. Zeldati be pamim shati galti be emet be offen she tati, zayamin kaze echlo kulamusi medze. A dabarhi avalot pamse ko kah so teret echha intan uh odma odma od koshe.

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Ken. Ah, limto sheket aze to sheket as the betoh harash an i have it let's say an ki zelo shani an invacation mi benadam, la lechit, le retreat, pam beyom, velito sheket much iselo zamash lim tsoyta sheket betoh atar lele chilano velitzlol rega. Can the gam la pot me milliotro a khus betoh mir daf the kasha nyodlom vina adasoflazbir lama zakok kashew z mamash kasha, and ya dat, theva zak tov lagit zeki zetov e lakirbze, vegam lagit kilugama ni atorish initially I am odd modesok be mindfulness. Mindfulness ve noa, ni khagi me' odmit kashaz. Kilo rega let'ayengam sh lanugam kashe, madavara ze the khashov.

מיינדפולנס ושקט בתוך הרעש

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Myodano ale mignanot ba pishako damitly mashu modno de haganot. Bajor gona haganot. Haganot. Manganon aganot. Manganon hagana. Okay. Gam nishaaritimod ki the koka khaam kilo the kokaham ba benefano. La soteta eta itnakdot keman ganon agana. Awel ma korrexha sa faha lomudat ofehet litnek dote superkihilo ani cholala terlat'mi shat nichnesat lematzavim sha twedin benadam altoman ganonagana, veo t nakdot veo tat ki utanim. As ekanachnu ekanachnu mrakhim eta genota ele ve ve maafrim o ata filu ke shet mikta maferit la la benadam kaze le shachrere zekat, ekbenedam echola sadza vorat'smo, and in de bertel al-matav sheboki lo clearly za lomu dashhe pashut khozer ve choseer ve chose ve enpo enpotwa. A matzav kitzon ken hefla gye shuv betoh lam sha nihova yeshe yeshe a rot imalef vesh kilo anirwa kilo anashim colo yesheta aha moment, ourbepa amim, ve kilo ve avalani, khoshevet layich beto sha sh metapellet banashim, ba klinika, kolayom, atbeta kwa a mon aifekhmize.

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The law mona vulkan, avaleshanashim shem mam shikim liotsu fusoto shikzur ba et um any anikamalize.

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Ani mikhirazigamhaim shilia niwa t no. Gamihulat nwa becom kumata khrim, avaleshmashu hajju echanaknu manasim la geshet la o lefarekita ganote.

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Echanachnu Zheila na kit, yehela kasha ki anih emanimsa kino ni anim nasalim tzuchu vochem his noa individuali o nasarigal shayem et ech ani bihlale nigeshetle, niqshevich kolbe betoh voda ti pulit unish anal kesher. P sofza voda she betuh kesher, al kesher, she menihaque nkudat motzagam shesher wadavara mautisha lait pathuchelanu sha ulaya khasamimamerka zimjal gam kshuimled warim shavinu batoh kesher vzadawar shenish bigalonikha ifala sot le vaditat nuazot, ki gamat nua l'oksha zihujjelaganot, o azi hui shelomuda, gamatuashelait pathut vaag mishut vha ishtanut it's hal kasher kaday kide laf sherit.

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Kazakilo.

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Gam feedback vegam lifem khveya kherechel kasher, mishushlo kasher me onmo trong matio pagua ba var shelo ema uimshelo kandu muyotmashmotiot ba kha im shelo ukamuvan me on mod it koshe b kesher vetoh a kesherti pula zhu element shel ezu ti kun shelo dvaze. Wat gamma keshir tzik lyot m spik yat siv ba tuah la mod becomine teltalotli for mbetahim shu sheshlo shavaq sha'im metoha mchhawaz. Levatera lagana kol xi mat magishligam sniakhizomiteklalikan va le nina s khirtan lachalda, az levat tera lagana zedwosh ma shu shiye machhwak ngid ani khaveti be retreatia khzab retreat of kame ola motorwah, khajam shamarbe, ezav shel be met la giaal eze omakim betoh retreat ka z intensive mruhak machame yon yomim, shia bedbrinniftakhim sham vize, bemet ez magai mashum odmo de mok shakilwa, tzrich shaga note loidat yerdu, ykal shoo, zek de la giail sham. Az

מנגנוני הגנה בתוך קשר טיפולי

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ga tja tze lochaz devarkal gielze, aw ze khmaamktana. Na khih gamakreze, la tzlih la beded the velas sof with nafareketagana, o call devar shelo tikrilo, velagiele magga im zuim ngidrig shi'ima mukim kharadav gazeshaganot by Zorimele, aganan no shumerita laino aval shnyach rezilhola kzikta devarze levad ki anchum shun the war shan ivna az zon oy. Z the varshe kholiot mzazze traumati, le shachzerdav kaita trauma, le tzermashberim, zononon misukan, as the lok ech mera krimit aganot, z loist a lil fot, ela ech bonimashuer can. O Mzimli Abedariga shot me mim sham, betoh Mizgeret a kher. Kachanot la shotlatz ma'am. Wow. Ken. Batipul vazi lo inyanim kas, yeshlo inyanim mlevatokpanut, ugam no wa kwas, ugam no me fakedma tokpanuchelo, kolmine kale sibuchim, kasvetukpanuch mal sibuhim ve batipul, uchwenegid, shelkeshovze, uchove, regushu no ramitatsben la alamtopelsholo, ngitopelatlisham nohami tatsbenai aka sala thechodipul. Shef the reganoam frid, the sipad, the sipad, aval imal so doted the hotypul, the keshushano mamshik, veato, vanilo, vani shambio ni sham aval adevam ruka, zelop memilim votez rigchit. Atimilo slachti le shersham, ima keshoton saradi mchreze ganom show de shale de berelze mashekarasham ve lef of zafim karebasof. Ze khavayamikonenet. Wow, zipotehlef shirut, shalot aptuhab na bakhaim of pam, so matieta ou samashu kolom shaitamgi ya, le khavayata kasa, z chzamit karevle kas, az mashua ya ko resham, kede la gena le maimasha devarzimerwel, and pitong ksipa kotmu yamet mize ihola li otkamarbetter dwarim shekorimla, ihula pitom la khvat bikcherim shla odsa ad katanoj dat stamdu gaitamit na teketanasoga, yetato kefeti etawfehet ta shenilem zaze kolmine. Az a nikudota ele, shem nikudochem bhayashel keshrod ifnashibh muda imlezevem vin nimzeve as echhuche shefsharle el shamer kirva. Zadavarche ba kavayasha lebe tohti pool. Khizhugum istakareze, a isteclutalze cognitivi sho istakluta van namu de uut kolad of varze umagishlik mwa devik, omashukase Aval Aval Zeloa Homer, Zeloa Homergalem Abniat a maan ha to vimyote, ayetiyamaat cut, uht maganot I no anoakasha z ifit Mod Vigam Adababa a Koshela Gid um Fritzigum Masheanhovechhaim, can Masha Hola Zo Holgam La Rosh e Holazoh Holgam lifguabecha, I meash Mashu sho be met in mashmaucha hola zizdrima hola zistemikivu sho the placebo with the loss a clumaz lom shane. Hola

מה הופך מטפל לטוב וסיום

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as gum tzlotito meode etatov meod lemita olech we mata osebiga zanimot kveda.

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We vegam la khashivot ve ve mzeba niota sam, a khashivot shell livedam a shov me od Rishayon kilo ze mashushani me odogerat bo kilo awale la vin mia benadam.

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Yash gambeta metaplim to vim vem vem tzuanim shemlo mri shion v tela terpauts. Nahon nahan sh metoplim shamlo mashusheshlam.

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Zenhon Awel Anya Holala Terpauts. The bemet anjolala yd Vilachen amlat Rishion Zeh kilo e be met adracha, bekolla devarze zedvar emashov Anigamagid Hegam Kromasha Manuela Voda a itit vesizzifit verbniaakasha Ulaime shav kim mashu kaze be to shim yom Ulaze tzrehlaurere si manchela. Wow, gamati talule fata mhaven, lezramat om y holichana kumhavnimlish basekilo life coach kaze li.

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Avalasote avodat omek shan nabe simsho l' omek A ni lo mami nashha sot. Lobushlo shimlo shha de shim.

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Nahan ve milashelachi me odmash moutit venayaz as todara va shabat ve to dashou taft ve pataht li cominade la tot vehlo note ve kmo pam kodemet o kmoa besti hochila no shen, kaza khreze the kama yamima ni od khoshevet o simon o pitom balilis sameslachela zekrea valzitanoog. Kenya mani mkhoshhe kelu salalu terr. Wow, kvarek kwahshavgam mikiri mutah. Bowe, ta kartum kvaretohli a ziala.

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Mikirimutak, mach trocheta la vasukabaze.

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Nachon toda. Patoach, erik batikelan way, and reflecte law. Instagram, be protocol patoak or body holy. Shaman yom yomim, mekkarim praktijé protocolan. It's video, by YouTube by the