Breaking Down the High Divorce Rate | Brittany Hopper Interview

Welcome to Talk to Tamara! In this episode, we sit down with Brittany Hopper, a Fox News journalist, psychologist, and single mother who shares her powerful journey through divorce, engagement, and self-discovery. 

Brittany opens up about:
• Finding love again after divorce and the lessons learned
• Breaking the stigma around single motherhood
• Why she's become a hopeless romantic despite hardship
• The importance of self-love and reflection
• Her faith and optimism in finding happily ever after
• Toxic relationships vs. choosing individual happiness

Listen as Brittany shares candid insights about relationships, co-parenting with kindness, and maintaining hope through life's challenges. Perfect for anyone navigating divorce, looking for love again, or learning how to prioritize themselves.

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Channel: Talk to Tamara
Host: Tamara
Guest: Brittany Hopper (@brittanyhopper.tv)

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

I I think I was told by a therapist that you know we're at a 55% divorce rate at this point. Yeah. And of those still married and who have stayed married, I asked, what do you think the percentage is of those actually happy? Seven to ten percent.

unknown 0:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Wow. I mean let that let that sink in. Um so you know, do I do I sit with guilt daily?

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Hi, I'm Tamara, a therapist and coach that's exploring relationships, emotional health, faith, and real life challenges that many of us were taught to keep private. Together, we'll talk honestly about the questions, the struggles, and experiences that many of us carry quietly and finally give them a place to be spoken out loud. You are listening to Talk to Tamara. Hi, and welcome back to Talk to Tamara. Today I have an amazing guest, Brit Brittany Hopper. Thank you so much for being here. She is a journalist, she's on Fox, she's on Fox News, she's a psychologist, and she is a single mom of one, right? That's right. Yes. I wear a lot of hats. It can go on and on. You wear a lot of hats. So thank you so much for being here, Brittany. I really, really appreciate you. Yeah, of course. Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be here. Yeah, okay, great. So why don't you tell, like, my viewers, I don't think know you. Um, I actually found you on Instagram and I've been following you for a long time, but um, I don't think that my listeners know you and who you are. So why don't you take it? Sometimes I don't even know me who I am.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Um, sure, yeah. So I was a TV journalist for my entire adult life, um, mainly with CBS News in Los Angeles and on Entertainment Tonight and Inside Edition. Um, I used to cover everything from uh breaking news, wildfires, um, the Oscars, I'm sure you heard of the Golden Globe Awards, the Grammys. Um fun. Yeah, I've really done it all, the BLM riots and the COVID-19 pandemic. Um, so I was the one who was out there on the front lines and uh, you know, in the nitty-gritty of things and got my hands dirty. And um, even during covering entertainment, it was also just, you know, it looked so glamorous, but there was so much going on, the hustle and bustle and uh the sometimes 15, 16, 17 hour days. Um, but it was it was exciting and it was a goal of mine since I was 12 years old. And uh yeah, it was a beautiful career. Um, and then I got married and I had our amazing daughter, and you know, life kind of shifts once you become a mother. Um, I always say she became the main character in my life once she was born. So my career kind of took a step back, and at the same time, unfortunately, my marriage was unraveling, and so a lot happening. And um yeah, I, you know, you say single mom. I I have to give a big shout out to my ex-husband because I get a lot of help from him, and he's such an incredible father. And you know, one of the things that I I always like to point out nowadays, and you know this within the mental health uh world, is we see single moms now, and I think society has that there's this misconception that if you're a single mother, you were left. And ironically, now more than ever, and statistically, the numbers are showing more and more women are actually doing the leaving. And if it takes a mother to leave and walk away from a situation to have to do this on her own, you know that the situation was probably not good. Yeah, that's it. And you know, it's it's it's interesting too because a lot of people I've I've been told, well, isn't it kind of selfish? Don't you what about the children? And you know, we hear stay for the children. And look, I I don't think you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. For me, I had felt that if our daughter grew up seeing a very happy father and a very happy mother, I think that that was better and is better than her seeing two parents go at it, um, whether that's in a toxic marriage, whether it's constantly fighting, whether it's a passionateless marriage, whether it's one parent has checked out, whatever that is. Um, you know, I I think I was told by a therapist that, you know, we're at a 55% divorce rate at this point. Yeah. And of those still married and who have stayed married, I asked, what do you think the percentage is of those actually happy? Seven to ten percent. Wow. Wow. I mean, let that let that sink in.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Um, so you know, uh, do I do I sit with guilt daily? Um, yes, I do, but at the same time, I see my ex-husband thriving now, very happy. And um, I am as well. And so I think our daughter is thriving because of that.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Yeah. So with knowing that, that it's a seven to ten percent chance of even being happy, why go look for love again?

SPEAKER_02 5:06

Oh gosh. Why go? I don't know if there's a point in my life that I don't go looking for love. I'm a lover. I'm an absolute hopeless romantic. It's part of my problem. I've traumatized my best friends to the point where at this point they're like, we're taking over your love life. Um, you know, right after my divorce, um, I mean, we weren't even technically legally divorced. I got myself in a very serious relationship. Not a lot of people know this, especially a lot of the new followers that I have. Um, but for five years post-divorce, I was with an incredible man. We fell madly in love with one another. He had just been divorced as well a few years post-divorce. Mine was pretty immediate. Um, and I found love again. Um, in fact, that was he's one of the greatest loves of my life, I would say. Um, but you know, uh things happen and we um we walked away from that relationship very maturely, very lovingly. Um, still love each other to this day, but we know that right now it's just, you know, we can't be together and we are just very good friends, and who knows what the future holds. Um same with my ex-husband, though. We divorced very amicably, even though it was more me who initiated it at first, uh we separated and divorced very amicably and in a very lovingly way. Um I think at this point, uh after dealing with, you know, some hardships when it comes to relationships, I think the biggest thing I can do for myself is reflect and take accountability for the things that I'd like to see, the changes I'd like to see. And so that's what I'm working on right now. Because I mean, a goal of mine is to meet a partner and to be with him till death do us part. Um, that would be the ultimate goal. That's a great goal. It is a good goal to have. I'd love, I'd love that goal. But right now I'm falling back in love with myself, my priorities, my daughter, and um yeah, there was an engagement in between these things I think you kind of know about. Um, you know, talk about love. But you know, that was that was a um definite a brief, a brief little um wrinkle in in I, you know, God brings us certain um learning experiences. Let's just put it to you that way.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. So what are those things that I guess you notice about yourself going through those relationships that you know you're like, okay, I'm I need to do things differently.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

I think something um that I've noticed a repeated pattern, and this is more just in general with relationships with me. I'm a very carefree, free-spirited. I have a little bit of a wild side of just kind of, you know, and I think men fall in love with that in the beginning, and I can tell they that that's something that they're attracted to. But then once the intimacy, real intimacy begins, which we know is after the honeymoon phase, they want to change that within me. And that's when I think the conflict begins. And maybe it's on me that I need to change a little bit in terms of maybe I can't be so wild and carefree and free-spirited, or maybe I just haven't met that person who can really match that and not want to control it, rather, you know, stand by me. Because listen, I would never cheat on a person, I would never, I would never disrespect a partner in that way. But there is something when you when you hold someone too tightly, it's it's not healthy.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Um, the the man that I was with after my divorce, we can call him Mr. Big here. Um he really yeah, he really allowed me to be who I wanted to be, and I think that that's why it worked so much. We had this kind of free-spirited uh relationship, the two of us.

SPEAKER_00 9:02

Yeah, I don't think that the answer is to change yourself ever, right? I agree. Because it's never gonna stick. Like it you're always just gonna pretend to be something and then you're gonna be not happy. You're not authentic.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

Seriously. Right, right. And you have to be authentic, and I've learned that as I've aged. I conformed differently when I met my ex-husband to try and be this certain person. Um, I was more free with the man after that, and then this fiance, I a hundred percent conformed to, you know, just super religious. Oh, I could do all this, I can take on, you know, three kids in the house, I can do all of these things. And it it just it, yes, you cannot change. You have to show up who you truly are. And I really believe if any if I could give any advice to anyone dating, it's those first six months, they we always put our best foot forward. No, no, no, show them your shit. Just lay it all out there. And if they stay and they stick around, great. Then then you know, continue, but like stop pretending and acting like you're someone you're not, and that goes for both ways, men and women.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Yeah, because eventually they'll find you out anyways. So that's why the divorce rate is kind of very high because people pretend to be and then they get married, and then they're like, No, I actually don't, I feel suffocated. I feel like I need to be myself.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Right. I think it's imperative to be with someone who is your best friend. Uh, I mean, you hear this all the time, but I just I can't I can't say this enough. Like, you have to have the same interests. I think having the same morals and values and life goals um and and similar personalities. Everyone says, Oh, be with um opposites attract. I mean, to some degree, I want to learn from my partner, sure. And I want to, you know, help me be better, help you be better. But at the same time, like, I need someone who's fun, outgoing, who is also the life of the party and doesn't mind that I am.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Is not going to dim my light after six months.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Yeah, but that that could be a person who is, you know, calm and not the life of the party, and is okay with you being the shining star.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Sure. I tried an introvert though, and I'm not sure it really worked. Like, I did that. I did do that. That was the fiance, and I tried to get some out of, you know, and so I don't know, but I mean, I think at the end of the day, it's, you know, it's the it's it's it's kindness, it's it's respect, it's um, you know, all of those things that we read about and hear about. Um, and then it's it's also chemistry, and it's also um, you know, but I I I think stability is a huge part of it too. I I, you know, detest chaos when it's brought into a relationship. And I think that um you kind of have to be stabilized within yourself to really go into a stabilizing relationship, if that makes sense. How did you grow up?

SPEAKER_00 11:53

Your your parents were married?

SPEAKER_02 11:55

Yeah, my parents were married for 17 years, and then they got a divorce right after my bot mitzvah. Okay. And that's a hard age for them. Yeah, very difficult age, but at the and at the same time, I had a pretty good childhood. I mean, I went to private school, I went to a very religious Labove Chibrew Academy growing up. Um, I am an only child, uh, all the attention, center of attention, it's a little bit problematic, you know. As you get older, you kind of have to realize. Um, but you know, I had I had a I had an interesting childhood. My father's an entertainer, very he was very well known in the 80s and 90s. And then my mother, you know, was a stay-at-home mom for the most part, and uh former model, just you know, very classy, always well put together uh woman. And we come from a very close-knit, tight family, and family's everything to us. And yeah, I mean, we did a lot of Shabbat dinners growing up. I kept kosher, I mean, pretty traditional childhood. Um, and then at 14 years old, I fell madly in love with my first love, which I think was like the beginning of just the future of like so many kind of it, it's set it set just the tone for uh my relationships. It's interesting because I've had the same best friends since like preschool or sixth grade or same, same girlfriends, like or freshman year in college. Yet these relationships, it's like I have they have like this expiration date after like five years for me. I don't I don't know. I'm I am in therapy myself, working to to consciously like try and figure this out because like I said, the next goal is to find it be with someone to grow old with 1000%.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Yeah. So what so what happened when you were 14?

SPEAKER_02 13:39

So when I was 14, I met I met uh so he was like the most popular boy in our town. Yeah, uh quarterback, you know, captain of the football team, so hot. I was only 14 years old, he was 16, two years older than me. Super cool. Yes, yes, and and yeah, we dated until I was 19 years old. And ultimately I got accepted to a college and moved out of our hometown. And you know, it was a classic story, yeah, classic love story.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

And did you ever like re uh re-kindle it?

SPEAKER_02 14:13

Did you ever we did we did a little bit in like college and post-college? Um, you know, still to this day, he still texts me every birthday, happy birthday. And I still text him, happy birthday. In fact, his wife of 20 years just reached out to me recently. She and I talk. Um, so you know, it's all good.

SPEAKER_00 14:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

That's that's great. Your first love, it's such, it's so innocent and sweet. And um, you know, but I think even at 14 years old, I was never the promiscuous type. I was never the one who had lots of different men. It was always okay, five years high school sweetheart. Then I went right into my college sweetheart, and then I was with someone my entire 20s until I was 30 years old, and my husband or ex-husband, and yeah, Mr. Big. So it's been, you know, this is kind of like the first time um I can remember since I was 14 that I've really, really truly been single and dating. How is that for you? Obviously different because I'm a mom and my daughter comes first. Yeah. Period. So um, you know, when I I share custody with her, and so when I have her on my nights, I'm not making plans. And it's interesting when a man will be like, Well, can't you get a babysitter? Well, yeah, I can, but I don't want to, and I'm not going to. So, you know, dating is a little different, but every other weekend she's with her father, and I have this time, and that's when I kind of plan. And I think there's something really beautiful while I'm dating right now. Um, it's also a time of self-discovery and really getting to know myself again and what I want and definitely what I don't want. Yeah. And, you know, look, I I am not one of these uh cynical women. You'll never hear me say, Oh, I hate men, men this, men that. I I love men. You love men. I love men and I love love and I'm such a believer in it. I just think that timing has a lot to do with it. And I just think that, you know, finding that right person and that right fit is what it's all about. And I do think working on yourself constantly, like you cannot go into any situation and think you've got it all down or that you are you have it all figured out because I really truly don't know. Even the married ones, I don't, I all of my best friends are married and they come to me for advice, or if they're you know having a little bit of a problem or whatever. No one has it all figured out, no one has it perfect. So why not continuously try and work on ourselves to show up, be a better mom or a father or you know, partner, whatever it may be.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

Yeah. So is that what kind of made you go into the psychology field? Because that's a big, that's very different, right?

SPEAKER_02 16:58

It is it's vastly different. I've always been fascinated with the human mind and brain. And for me, going back to school and getting my master's in clinical psychology um later in life, uh during COVID, while I was still on the news as a single mom, I I mean, I look back and I'm like, what the heck was I thinking? And and I don't want to make it seem like I'm a superstar here. Like, there were so many moments that I would cry myself to sleep and say, I'm done. Yeah, I'm throwing the towel, I'm done. I can't do this. This is too much. And then I would look at my daughter and she was sleeping next to me while I'm like sitting there doing a 30-page research paper. And I was like, I can't, I can't, I can't quit. Because then what does that say to her? And she was the true motivation to keep me going. Um, but really the reason why I wanted to go into psychology and help people was because um co-parenting for me, we kind of have found this beautiful balance. And don't get me wrong, I I think that there's times where my ex-husband would like to stab me in my eye. I mean, I just do. But like, but like we also have a very, very beautiful co-parenting relationship. And I think the reason why is because we both show up daily for our daughter. We take our egos out, uh, we take however we're feeling about one another out, and we show up daily and make our daughter our priority. Yeah, she's first. That's very unusual. It is unusual, but it but I'm telling you, when it comes to co-parenting, when it comes to any parenting, it helps tremendously.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

Um, my ex-husband and I, when we post-divorce, we had a very rare relationship. We traveled together, we would do dinners together. Um, you know, I was in a serious relationship. He would come with us. Um that is unusual. It is unusual. The shift really happened between him and I when he remarried. Yeah. Naturally. It's textbook material. And I have to say, I find her to be so lovely. It has nothing to do with her. She's a lovely woman. Her family's lovely. I gave her a lot of shit that first year that she was in our lives. Um, I didn't go easy on her. We had to set boundaries, right? Um, but uh we're learning and we're we're we're still it's ebb and flow, but but at the end of the day, he couldn't have chosen a better partner. Okay. And I truly believe that, and that helps. Yeah, I respect her. And uh more most importantly, she treats my daughter uh very kindly. And I think that for me and any any mother listening who has to deal with a stepmom and sharing your child or children, which is so difficult as a mother, because that's like, oh my gosh. That's mine. That is mine. I grew you, you came out of me like you are mine, and no one else is. However, try, and I invite anyone to try and shift the thinking, and it's it took me a little bit of time to think this way. The more people to love on them, the better, the healthier it is. And her and her family couldn't be more loving. And um I have to look at that as being beautiful, that that is just the healthiest for my daughter. It doesn't mean I'm shut out, doesn't mean my daughter's never going to choose me first. I'm her mom. We know this in the world of psychology. We know children always choose their birth parents. Um so you know, I have to look at it as like, wow, how lucky do you get these bonus people who are really great in life to add extra, uh, be extra role models in your life and extra love for you?

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Yeah, yeah. So, but that doesn't answer the question of why you went in into the world. I want to help others.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

Yeah, I want to help others going through divorce, post-divorce, co-parenting. Um, you know, I think the goal should be stay married.

unknown 20:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

I think that's the goal. Yeah. As a divorced woman, I think that the goal should be stay married. Are there exceptions? Of course. But I think we need to really in 2026, we need to really figure this out. Why is the divorce rate so high? Um, and and ironically, second marriages are even higher, divorce rate.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

Um, so I mean, we we need to figure this out or or just don't get married. So that's so interesting that that you say that because you got divorced. Right, and I initiated the divorce. And you initiated the divorce. Go figure. Right. So, why do you have the mindset of, you know, like if you would have stayed married, is that something that you regret doing?

SPEAKER_02 21:38

That's a good question. Regret, I mean, because you know, they're it's a great question. Do I regret it? I mean, I have my moments as my daughter's getting older. Um, I regret, um I regret not fully thinking what it would be like to have to share her. I regret not I I I at the time I wasn't grasping what it would what that would look like because no one knows. No one can tell you. I'd never done it before. Um and I primarily, predominantly, when my parents divorced, was with my mom. And so I think maybe I just had this tunnel vision of she would just be with me more.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

I don't think I really truly thoroughly thought it out. And again, my ex-husband is probably one of the most hands-on fathers you'll ever meet, which I'm going to say this, and I think a lot of women, this triggers a lot of women, especially divorcees, but the men's role and the father's role is just as important as the mother's. And I truly believe that. Yeah. So, and I think that a lot of women feel that their role is more important as a mom. Right. They're the nurturers and it's it's both. It is both. Um, so going back to regretting, I I don't know. I mean, are there parts of it that that I regret? Maybe, maybe had we been more mature, maybe if I wasn't so hormonal, maybe a lot of the different things, but I don't think we were the right fit. I really don't. I don't know if it was um salvageable. And and at the end of the day, I go back and say, if it's that toxic, sure. If it's gotten that bad, then I do think divorce is the answer. And and try and find common ground where you guys can actually be friends and co-parent beautifully and happily. Um, because I feel like had we stayed married, we could have actually ended up hated, hating each other, if that makes sense. I mean, so yes, divorce shouldn't be the easy answer and out, but at the same time, if it's like if it's that toxic, I can guarantee your kids are feeling it. Guarantee.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

For sure. But if your goal, like you said, is for people to stay married, then at what cost? You know, like at what cost, right?

SPEAKER_02 24:01

And if and if we have therapists right now statistically saying that out of the happily married couples, it's only seven to ten percent, then what are those what what are those other couples doing? Right, right. Uh seek therapy then. Maybe have a middle person come in and try and work this out.

SPEAKER_03 24:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

You know, I always tell couples, go back to the moment when you guys first started dating. Had to have been beautiful, or else you wouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Go back to that moment.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Did you and your ex try therapy first?

SPEAKER_02 24:29

We did. We did a year's worth of therapy. We really did try. Um, and I think that uh I think I hit, I think I hit my breaking point. And um, yeah, and I I just felt you know, I had a child psychologist say to me during this time, if you feel like this isn't going to work, getting a divorce now when she was about two years old, a year and a half, two years old, is going to be better on her than waiting. Yeah. Um, because she's not even going to remember, she won't blame herself, she won't even remember the two of you together. And that stuck in my head so much. And I just I felt like I don't I don't think that this is going to work. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Does she ever, does your daughter like ever ask, you know, about you and your ex like being together? Does she remember it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

And I show her pictures, and she's she loves seeing pictures of our wedding. And um, you know, we are a very communicative family of our feelings. We have family meetings together still, and um we used to more. I mean, again, a lot has changed since he got married, but remarried. But yeah, at an age-appropriate uh way. I talked to her about all of these things. You know, mommy and daddy loved each other at one point very much. It's why we had you. That's why, you know, we we created you. Um, but sometimes mommy and daddies don't stay married anymore. Um, you know, it's interesting because in her grade now, second grade, she has like three or four friends who are going through divorce right now. Yeah. Um, so she's not uh, you know, this is happening everywhere. Yeah. And then we go to a pretty religious private school and it's even happening. Wow. Um, and I think now I just read that statistically it was um nine to twelve year olds, that's when the divorce rate happens, and now it's seven to twelve. It it's lowered. Oh lowered yeah, yeah, it's lowered now. Yeah. So I mean, people are getting divorces even sooner. Yeah, yeah, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

Yeah. I think that's so interesting that you decided to get divorced when she was so young. Like you just kind of, you know, you just had you just had this baby, and you're just like your whole life is upside down, and then you're like, okay, you know what, let me throw something else into the mix.

SPEAKER_02 26:53

It it was it was one of the wildest times of my life. Yeah, one of the craziest decisions. I just remember on the bathroom floor, curled up in a I'm gonna cry, but in a fetal position, just bawling my eyes out, praying to God, like, help me, help me, show me a sign. What am I supposed to do? Um, but but but staying was not the answer. Um, I I was so miserable at that point that um I wasn't showing up as the mother I knew I could be to my daughter if I was happy.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Yeah, if that makes sense. Do you think you had any some semblance of postpartum depression like at that at that point? No, no, you were clear, like you knew. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Yeah.

unknown 27:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

Yeah. Did I have some anxiety? Yeah. But no, no, no, I've always had a little anxiety, but no depression. I was very clear-headed, probably the clearest I had ever been, given my entire world blowing up in front of my face. Um, it I so going there are other regrets that I have in my life and moments in my life that I can say that I regret. I don't necessarily think that this is a regret. I think looking at my ex-husband now and seeing the life that he has always wanted and he's living. And I'm I I love that for him and I'm happy for him. And then, God willing, you know, I'll have that as well. And I have no doubt I will.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

It just looks a little differently and the you know, the timing. Um, but I'm I'm happy and I'm able to show up and put my best foot forward every day for my daughter, um, single in this position or dating or whatever I am or what you know. Um, so I think that that is healthier for her to see than anything else.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yeah. And how has your career shifted, I guess, from this divorce, um, also just like your mindset, even?

SPEAKER_02 28:51

Well, well, you know, part of the reason why I wanted to go into psychology too, or the the hours are so much better. I mean, news is just the hours were insane. And um, I I, you know, I never wanted to have a nanny come in and fill my role. Um, to those who have it, God love you. There, there's no judgment at all, but I have one child, and that just was never an option for me. And so I want to be the one to take my daughter to school, pick her up from school, take her to cheerleading, take her, you know, do all of these things. And so that meant uh a different career. And I was happy to put the news aside. Um, because again, my daughter comes first and she will always come first. I mean, that meant to really kind of hang the microphones up, so to speak. And this this new career kind of allows me to have a way better schedule that it doesn't bleed into her, and you know.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

Do you you miss it? Do you miss like because it's a very, it's a more of a you know, fast paced. Yeah, it's it's like a rush. Yeah. Almost that fast phase.

SPEAKER_02 29:56

It's an adrenaline rush, and I'm an adrenaline junkie. Yeah, I as I've gotten older, I've realized that that adrenaline junkie has tamed itself a bit. Um, and you know, it's why I'm still on Fox News and and I go on Fox News and Newsmax and One American News Network and Sky News. So I am still on the news and I and I love it. Um, but I just can't be on it as often as I would love to do it. I'm a journalist through and through. Like it is, it has been my passion, my dream since I was 12 years old. I absolutely love it. And it's not just that adrenaline, it's it's it's everything about it storytelling, it's um connecting with people, it's live television, it's um there's just there's so much um that fits my personality in a way. But but psychology is so beautiful too. I'm finding such growth in that. And there's something so beautiful when I have clients after six, nine months, who come to me and write me a letter and say, You have completely transformed my life, and I thank you. I'm so much happier. I'm in this position now, or I'm I've met the love of my life because of you, or our marriage is saved because of you. That's really profound and impactful. And like to help one person in the world is is is awesome.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

Wow, wow, that's amazing. Um, what do you like most about um being a psychologist? Like, what's like the thing like besides for the health?

SPEAKER_02 31:25

So I I wish I was an actual psychologist. So I'm a marriage and family therapist. Yes, yes. So I I did not go for my PhD. I just have my master's degree in clinical psychology with an emphasis in marriage and family therapy. But um, what do I love most? Yeah, well, I think helping people, yeah. And and look, I'm wearing a lot of hats right now because I'm also I take a lot of pride in being a Jewish activist as well, an Israeli activist and pro-Zionist. And so um I speak out a lot about that. And you know, it's it's a mixed bag um of things. I'm doing a little bit of everything, and and that fits my personality.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

I love it. Do you feel kind of very stretched then, like you're in all different places and you have to be one person here and one person there?

SPEAKER_02 32:08

Um, I mean, it no, not really. I I I find my downtime I'm really good as I've aged to make sure that I know when I've hit my limit. And that that is the silver lining of co-parenting and sharing custody, is that those those days that she's with her dad, um, you know, if if I don't want to schedule and see anyone, I don't have to. And and and I'll do just that. I'm I'm totally happy being alone and having alone nights. And so, you know, that's where being an only child comes in. Um and and so, you know, I I reset and I find that I can be an even more present, patient mother to my child or whatever job I'm doing when I have those moments of just resetting.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

Yeah. Was it hard to kind of go because you seem to have gone from relationship to relationship, never really being alone. Was it hard to be single again? Like, did you know what that felt like to be alone?

SPEAKER_02 33:05

I th I think that it was difficult to um I had this, I was more in love when I got engaged. I was more in love with the idea of this is it, marriage, than I was with him. That's pretty harsh, and I know. Yeah, I know that that's pretty harsh. And I will say this the first six months in our relationship, he was so amazing. And had he maintained that same way of how he was treating me after we got engaged, I would have fallen madly in love with this man. But something shifted. Maybe that was something shifted in me, maybe it was him, maybe it was both, I don't know. But whatever shifted, I I was no longer in love with the man anymore. And I was then starting to grieve the actual idea that this isn't that this isn't going to work, this isn't going to be sustainable, and that whole fairy tale blew up in my face.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

And um, so I think that that was harder for me to accept than really being alone. Right now I'm enjoying being alone. It's you know, I'm really enjoying dating and just, you know, enjoying this, enjoying this ride. Yeah. Um, I don't know how long I'll last for. But um I am enjoying it. I'm enjoying meeting cool guys and like going out and exploring and um, you know, all while still working on myself and and questioning, you know, what happened in this last relationship? What happened in the relationship previously? What happened in my marriage? Like, these are all things. Um, I take 50% accountability for sure. Yeah, and so the only thing I could do is work on myself and work on choosing the next partner for me better. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:58

Did there come a point ever where you were like, I just feel like like a failure? Like I 1000%.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

One thousand percent. I um the the the guilt of dragging my daughter into this was what really made me feel like a failure. And to to to now have, I never ever wanted to have man after man after man in her life. Yeah, and that was one of the exciting parts about when we got engaged. I was like, okay, I'm it, that's it, I'm done. Stable. The stability. I mean, it turned out to be be the most unstable situation in my life. Yet I really chose him thinking he was going to be the most stable. It backfired completely on me. Um, so but yeah, I mean, at this point, what I'm craving um and what I will not settle for anything less than stability, consistency, uh, peace, you know, um, friendship, all of those wonderful, beautiful things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Um but I wonder if you're really honest with yourself, if stability is actually what you're craving. Because what I'm hearing from you say is that you're this free spirit and you want to, you know, explore life and live life. And I wonder if stability would actually feel stifling.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

Yeah. Um, right. And so I've explored that in therapy as well. And I think stability at my age now, in my 40s, and having gone through what I've gone through, you can still have wild fun moments with your partner, um, but be stabilized together. Does that make sense? And and first of all, let me let me correct something because stability to me doesn't equate marriage and the white picket fence. Okay. Um, what I'm providing my daughter as a single mother is stability. Yeah. I'm her home, period. So that stability, there's stability already within my four walls and within myself that I create every day. Uh, this free spirit, wild, carefree personality, that wants to come out sometimes. And and and there shouldn't be any judgment. It should be allowed. It should be okay for that. I like to go and have a couple martinis once a month and in a very, you know, um responsible way. But but a partner joining in with that and having that time together, I think can be a lot of fun. And that's not boring. When the judgment starts to happen, or when again, when you start to control that side and say, no, you can't be that person anymore, that's that's not stability either. That's that's not, I don't know. I mean, that that doesn't look like stability to me. That looks like control, and um that's not healthy either.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Yeah. Did you want your ex-husband to be something different?

SPEAKER_02 37:54

No, my ex-husband was wild too. Oh no, no, no, no, no. My ex-husband and I had a ball together. Yeah, yeah, no, there was there was a mix back. He never tried to dim my light at all. Uh, my ex-husband did not do that. I think this last relationship absolutely did.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Um, but but no, my ex-husband didn't do that. There was just, we just uh there was a lot of I think before you get into a marriage, and when you're young, you just don't think about this. Um, you know, you really need to uh agree on your roles and the, you know, what you what your role is as a woman, what your role is as a man. And, you know, there needs to be those tough discussions about the finances, about all of these things. Um, and we didn't really go into it with having those uh questions. I really think premarital counseling is amazing for anyone wanting to, even before you get engaged, like really sit down and talk with someone to make sure that your roles are in place and you agree on those roles. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:59

I think there is a miss a misconception these days about the the male role versus the female role, you know, because we are these females that we're ambitious and we we are successful and all that, but really at the end of the day, we we want to be mothers and we want to be home and we want to be you hit the nail on the head.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

That's exactly it. Yeah, and I think when my ex-husband met me, I was in the height of my career on entertainment tonight, on network news, all these amazing things happening. But the reality was I just wanted to be taken care of. I just wanted to be home and have five babies and do shit. Really? Yeah, yeah. I didn't want to work anymore, I was exhausted, I didn't I didn't want to feel that pressure anymore. And that that wasn't a reality, that wasn't even an option. And so that created a lot of um friction and um unhappiness on my end. But those were things we should have talked about. Right. And in a way, we did, but but I think that I was, you know, going into it. Oh, he'll change. Oh, he'll change. And I have to say that the red flags you see uh while dating, or maybe they're not even red flags, but the things that might bother you or that might come up for you while dating, I can assure you, times it by a hundred when you're married. So figure it out while you're dating before you get married. For sure. And that goes both ways. Like I'm sure I had my own shit too.

SPEAKER_00 40:22

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

Because I'm far from perfect, but it's like you need to talk about those things.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Yeah, but I think at the end of the day, no matter how successful a woman is, they just want to be taken care of.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Totally. And I think that, you know, it's a pretty simple uh formula. I think that the safer a woman feels emotionally, financially, mentally, by from their man, then the more peace they're going to bring their man. And a man needs peace, they just want peace at the end of the day. Um, but it's a vicious cycle. Uh, and I think that people don't really realize this. It is a cycle, and the more emotional stability and all of like the safer you're making your woman feel, the more peace she's going to provide, and it's harmony. And it it really can be a blissful, beautiful relationship. But once that gets off track, yeah, uh, the balance starts to shift, and I I think that that's when chaos can be created. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

I always say that there are we have our roles for a reason, right? Like God made it that way. But like we have and and Biblical times. Yeah. It's in our DNA. It it really is.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

I don't want to be a man, right?

SPEAKER_00 41:39

I don't want to be a man.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

I don't want a man's role either. I don't want to be working 40 hours a week.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

Or at least give me the choice or the option. Yeah. You know, to do that. And it's so interesting that you're saying that because you are this career woman, and you've you've you've just like you said, you were at that height because because you had to be. Always. Correct. But you said that you always wanted to be on the news and you always wanted to do that.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

And and that was before becoming a mom. And I worked my butt off, and I'm so happy. And I do truly believe that a woman needs to have her own identity. And I do believe that a woman should always have her own separate bank account. Yes. With at least a nest egg, a year's worth, of course. And I I truly do believe that, you know, yes, it empowers a woman to have that career in your 20s, even in your 30s. But but having the option when you get married to just kind of let go and not be in survival mode anymore, it's really refreshing and beautiful. And a woman can just open up and be her feminine self that um I think can really provide so much peace and beauty in a home.

SPEAKER_00 42:49

So, do you think that when the woman is the breadwinner and like the husband's like the Mr. Mom, like they like to call it, that those marriages really can't work? Oh, I think it they they can.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

Um, I just think that it depends on, you know, individually. I mean, that that wouldn't work for me because I just it wouldn't work for me. I need to look up to my man, and that requires someone who makes even more money than I do and who's even more powerful than I am. Um, so and I know that about myself. Um, but if that works for two people, who am I to judge? I mean, yeah, sure, then let it work. I just think that again, you need to talk about those roles before you get married. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

Um, I actually just heard a podcast with Rabbi Manus Friedman. Yeah, I love him. I was just with him this weekend. That's great. And he said that the key to a happy marriage is for the woman to worship the man. And I think the only way that that you can do that is by respecting him, right? And not only financially, but like in every aspect that he's gonna take care of you, he is the guy.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

That's going to 1000%. When I look back at my relationships and why they failed, I lost respect for every man toward the end of the relationship for different reasons.

unknown 44:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:13

But looking back, I was losing respect for the man. And so, yeah, I mean, if you're not worshiping your man and and putting them on a pedestal, I'm not sure. And and same with the man. If you're not respecting your woman and putting her on a pedestal, obviously differently, then I don't really see how how it's going to work.

SPEAKER_00 44:37

But it's funny because from that comment from that comment that he said, there were a lot of comments from women that were kind of like offended by that. Like, I don't need to worship my husband. Interesting. You know, um, because we're still in the mindset of like we could do it on our own. We don't need a man.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

We can, we can. We can, but we can. We absolutely can. But but I mean, it the question is, do you want to? And if you want to, okay, by all means, go for it. Um, but I am contrary to what so many people might think, I'm more of a traditional woman. Um, and I I, you know, but but we can do it all, and I think that that's a beautiful thing. And I definitely want my daughter and other women to know that that's yes, you can. Yeah, yes, you can. Uh, but but the question is, is do you want to? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:26

And I'm sure that men probably get a misconception of you, right? Because you're this journalist, psychologist, you know, very accomplished woman that they probably think that you want to be just, you know, the one that takes care of everything. And you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 45:41

I I don't know. Most men, I think they read me pretty well right off the bat. Yeah. And they and they they can tell because I I do wear my heart on my sleeve and I'm pretty transparent. Yeah. And so I do think that they they can tell that um, you know, and I I'm only really drawn to men who are very masculine. And masculine men tend to really seek out more feminine, um, softer women. And so I I don't know. I mean, maybe maybe there's some men who think that, but I the majority of men that I date and go on dates with, I think they can they can tell even after the first phone call conversation that you know, I I'm a more traditional woman. Yeah. Um and yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:23

Can um you tell us like a little bit about your faith and how uh you know, um the journey, I guess, that you went through because you grew up, you said, um, in a Lubavitch home.

SPEAKER_02 46:35

Right. So I grew up uh well, I grew up in the Lebovich world, not a Lubavitch home. Okay. And so my mother is Moroccan Jewish and my father's not. Um, and but I was raised very religiously and very Jewish. Um, modern Orthodox, we kept a kosher home. I went to a Lubavitch Hebrew Academy until I was about 13 years old. Um, and you know, it's it's extreme to some people, but what it did was instill the utmost values and and moral compass um that that I use to this day with daily decisions and how I treat others. Um so you know, with that, I'm so grateful for it and thankful that I was raised that way. And the traditions that were carried down by my mother and grandmother and great-grandmother, you know, are being carried down to my daughter and God willing, her children. And it's a beautiful thing. Uh Jewish women hold a lot of power. Um, in our religion, you are what you what the mother is, not what the father is. And so there's a lot of pressure. Um, and we are taught, you know, to provide the peace in the home and to bring that peace. Um, you know, it was very important to me to marry a Jewish man and have a Jewish uh Jewish babies. Um, and it's funny because now, you know, I'm going on dates with non-Jewish men and I'm really wondering if that's such a priority now.

SPEAKER_00 48:04

Oh, interesting. I know. How did that shift? Especially being the fact that you are an activist, right? And you wear your, you know, you're not wearing it today, but you usually wear your, yeah. It's just hidden under my thing. It's a fine necklace. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

Um, I I, you know, look, a couple of things. I I think obviously I have to be with someone who is pro-Israel and um, you know, really believes uh in in any religion. I I think as long as you're religious, like I could never be with someone who doesn't believe in God, um, but as long as you're religious and you grew up with some religion and you are pro-Israeli or Israel, then you know, I think that I would not not date you. I just I mean, would I prefer a Jewish Jewish man, of course, but um so far the non-Jews I'm way more compatible with for some reason. I don't know why, but like there's something, yeah. So so who knows? And I don't plan to have any more children, and I think that that's a big factor as well.

SPEAKER_00 49:10

Yeah, and so yeah, yeah, but that's that's really interesting. That like is it? I'm gonna get shit for saying that. I know why.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

I know. Well, because in in the in the Jewish world, you really, I mean, it's it's it's ingrained in your head, you stick with your kind to stay to stay with your kind. Yeah, yeah, but but Mr. Big, my five-year, is not Jewish. So, I mean, you know, and we had a fantastic relationship for a good four years. It was it was amazing.

SPEAKER_00 49:44

So, you know, you just never know. Is it hard to kind of flip-flop back and forth? Like, you know, you were dating, you your ex-husband was Jewish, and then, right?

SPEAKER_02 49:53

So I don't really put, yeah, my ex-husband was Jewish, and then Mr. Big was not, and then um the fiance is was, yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's so past tense. That is the one person I will never be friends with. Isn't that weird? I'm like, I can call my high school sweetheart if God forbid I need something, and he would be there.

SPEAKER_00 50:13

And this one, please block my ever contact me.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but I I've come to a place now where I pray for him. I pray he finds he gets well. Exactly. Yeah, well said, yeah, exactly. Um, so I don't think that I can go, I don't think anyone could go into dating with these blockages or these like you know what I mean? I think that that really hurts a woman, especially um post-divorce if you're dating as a single mother. Like we put all these like they have to di. I think that really restricts you from possibly finding the love of your life.

SPEAKER_01 50:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

And um, you know, so I'm open.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

No, you're definitely gonna get it. I'm open. I I I I'm open to men only, but I'm I'm open and I'm open to a non-Jewish man. I just, you know, I just want to really, you know, I think that there's so many other things that are way more important than um who they're praying to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:14

Why did you choose after October 7th to wear the high necklace? Or you're not gonna be able to do. I've always okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:20

Yeah, I've always been one of the only TV journalists, American TV journalists, to wear a Star of David um or a high necklace on television. So I've always made it very proudly known that I'm Jewish. Why was that a priority for you? Uh well, I mean, look at what's happening. Well, now, but you said Oh no, I think I think it's always I think I think I think there's always been anti-Semitism. Um, I think we got a little too complacent, and I've always felt that. And other on air talent wear crosses. We see it all the time. Yeah. Uh so why not wear a tiny little startup, David? Um, and why not make that known that I'm Jewish? Uh, but I I think now more than ever, we need to fight for our position in the world and um educate people because I think that that's really what's happening is the ignorance and the rumors and the lies that are spreading on social media that couldn't be farther from the truth are just getting so blown out of proportion and spreading like wildfires that people really do believe that we are like the devil here. And um, you know, it's I I don't know. It it some of the most incredible peaceful humans on this planet are Jewish who literally are born and bred to provide goodness out there in the world. I mean, it's we're 15 million people out of the population in the world, and yet we have some of the highest Nobel Peace Prize winners, we have some of the most billionaires. Israel is the the number one country that produces the most life-saving cancer treatments, chemotherapy, life-saving medical uh devices out that that are coming from innovative technology come from Israel. Um, we have the most amount of doctors. I mean, that's not by coincidence that you have this small population who literally want to help others. How can we be so evil and bad? I don't get it.

unknown 53:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:31

Um, you know, and and just leave us the fuck alone. At the end of the day, I'm sorry to say it, but just fucking go away. Just like let us go. We're gonna be our own people, totally not getting involved. Like, exactly. Like just we just want to like eat, pray, love, help. Yeah. Is that that bad? Like, just you know, I but you can make money. I I don't, you know. Did you ever get flack for wearing it?

SPEAKER_00 53:56

Like, did we?

SPEAKER_02 53:57

No, I never got flack for wearing it on air, but I did get flack um for posting uh uh an Israeli flag, and this was a year prior to October 7th, uh, when I was with CBS News. And this ultimately was one of the reasons, main reasons why I parted ways with CBS News was they wanted me to take it down. Um, and all it said was Am Yesrael Chai, which means Israel forever. And um, they said it was very biased and that uh a lot of co-workers were actually complaining about it. And, you know, mind you, this was a time, this was in 2021, 2022, when you had other TV journalists posting pro-BLM, the X Square, um, you know, pro-transgender, pro-LGBTQ month, pro Mexican heritage, whatever they want to post. Yet I couldn't just post a map of Israel. I just found that to be disgusting. And you know, so sure, that was that was the first uh time I really experienced a bit of anti-Semitism in my career. And then post-October 7th, Fox News called and other conservative news networks called, knowingly that I was this proud Jewish journalist, and then I came on and one thing led to the other of kind of you know just speaking out.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

And was there ever on Fox News like an issue with uh you being, I guess, like openly Jewish, even though I I know that they're definitely more pro um, never.

SPEAKER_02 55:24

And you know what upset me the most, especially knowing that I guess it was co-workers who ratted me out. I didn't care if you had I I even posted the the the black square at one point. Like I would I didn't I would never the hypocrisy the hypocrisy of it was was was so hurtful. It's like really like I I knew a lot of gay uh on air talent and I supported their cause and and I you know it it was just so hurtful to hear that like friends or or co-workers would actually call and complain that there was a map of Israel on my personal social media. Do you think that they actually did, or that the news 1,000% I do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:10

Wow, yeah. Did you ever confront them?

SPEAKER_02 56:12

No, because I don't know who it was anonymous, okay. Um, and it was HR that called from New York, and it was a whole big thing. Um, but I do think that it came from within.

SPEAKER_00 56:22

Wow. Were you the only journalist that was Jewish at the time?

SPEAKER_02 56:27

No, there were others, but I think that I was the only very outspoken um uh, you know, wearing my star of David and making it very known. I've always had on my Instagram where you put like your little bio type thing, um, Instagram Twitter X, I I've always had proud Jewish Zionists. I mean, this was even before October 7th. Yeah. So um, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:51

Yeah. So you were always um this like activist kind of?

SPEAKER_02 56:56

Not activist, but I've always been, I've always made it known. I mean, the way that I was raised, and if you're raised in in a Lubovich setting, the the the great Rebbe who I grew up under his teachings always said to be proud of your heritage, to be proud, to be a proud Jew and to always fight for Israel and stand up for Israel. And so that was kind of just all I have ever known. I mean, I had I had an Israeli flag up in my bedroom. I have pictures of it when I was like 11 years old, 12 years old, next to the American flag. I mean, it's just kind of how I always was raised. I always just had a connection to this beautiful religion and to this beautiful country. I don't know, have you been to Israel? Of course, yeah. Maybe that's just, I mean, I don't care what religion you are when you go there. I mean when I'm there, I feel like a sense of calm.

SPEAKER_00 57:51

I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_02 57:52

I I went to one of the temples, one of the oldest temples, and I fell on my knees and just started bawling my eyes out. Like it was so cathartic, but so emotional. It's I mean, the history that's around, it's how can anyone deny? Like, you know, it's like you have these other religions that popped up hundreds, thousands of years later than Judaism. It's just it's mind-boggling when you have the proof right there. And uh, you know, people deny. Um, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:22

So wow. Um, okay. Well, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. This was amazing. Thank you. Yeah, really, really appreciated it. Um, was there anything else that you wanted to discuss? No, I think we talked at all.

SPEAKER_02 58:37

I love my dating. My my my dating. Yeah, to be content to be continued on when on my dating life. That's that seems to be the best um most popular topic these days. My dating, my dating life.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

Is it like do people ask you about it all?

SPEAKER_02 58:53

My dating life is like the number one question I get asked. Why? I have no idea. I think that um, I think that a lot of people can relate, and I think that a lot of people want to see, you know, when I got engaged, there were so it went viral.

SPEAKER_00 59:08

It was super public. I actually remember that.

SPEAKER_02 59:11

Yeah, and and and I think that's how I found you. Yeah, I think because people really were like, we want the good one, like, oh, she's such a good person, and and you know, we want her to win. And I see myself in her as a single mom or as a divorcee. And it's this like hopeless romantic love story of a second chance, a second opportunity at love. And so I think people just kind of can resonate with that, and they they wanna, they, they ultimately want that fairy tale as well. And so I think that, you know, when it didn't happen, um, I didn't even know how to announce it. Should I have announced it? What should I have done? I, you know, I I tried to, and I'm still trying to be as respectful to all parties involved, especially considering there's children involved, on why that ended. And then now it's all about, you know, look, I tell my daughter all the time, when we get knocked down, we get ourselves back up. And I do believe this, and I will say this any form of rejection is God's way of protection. And I do really true, truly believe, and I have so much hope that the love of my life um is out there and I will get that fairy tale happily ever after.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:27

Yeah. Well, that's really like that's amazing because for people, I guess, who've gone through all the things that they've gone through, it's really hard to kind of hold on to that hope. So, what what gives you that hope? Is it just faith? I mean, listen, what what's the alternative? Just not not being hopeful. Right, and that's sad.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:47

That is sad that kind of makes me sad for a person if you don't have carry that hope.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

Um, I'm probably one of the most optimistic people you'll ever meet. And and I love that about myself. I don't I don't want to be pessimistic. I like thinking that you know every everything's going to be okay. You know, uh, do I know that things might not be at times? Sure, I've been knocked down, but but then I also know that things come out of it even better. Yeah, and it's been proven over and over again in my life. Um, and you know, I I I find good in everyone and maybe a little by default because I really do just think that people are genuinely good out there and they want good.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:30

Um, you know, and I think hurt people hurt people. And so those hurt people, you know, just maybe they need a little extra TLC, I guess, and maybe a little more hope in their lives. So if I can provide that, have a little more hope.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:43

Yeah. And I think that what's unique about you is that a lot of people going through a through a divorce, and I see this with a lot of my clients, they just become very bitter, they become angry, they they blame everything. So I get it. Yeah, and but like, and they're you know, and so it takes them a while to kind of get to that place where they are hopeful that you know life's gonna look different. Um, so you know, and it's it's really hard for them when they are in that really dark, bitter place to get out of that hole.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

So, look, of course, and I you can't just be um, I mean, you can't just think, oh, it's all unicorns and roses. I mean, I was in one of the most darkest times of my life besides my divorce, but this was different. This was so different. After this engagement ended, I this this was the craziest experience I had ever experienced in my life. Um, that I was in a very, very dark place for me, someone who was filled with so much hope and light. Um, I I allowed myself to sit with that and to try every day uh journal, you know, uh sit with those feelings. Why am I having this? I mean, we all knew why, because how crazy the situation was, but but I and and how painful it was because I never thought that a human what he did to me, I never thought a human being could do to another human being. I just didn't even think it was possible. I you know, so that's what hurt the most. It wasn't that I was so madly in love, it was it was really, I just didn't think that another person could do that to another person. So um I can I can understand like some of your clients and other people who are stuck in that moment, but I invite you to really try and shift your mindset and maybe think that don't take it so personally, what happened to you was because of you. Maybe it's because of something they're going through, maybe it's something that they're dealing with, maybe it's the type of person that they are, and maybe ultimately it was because there's something bigger, greater, and better that will that is out there for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:52

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:53

And I think on that note, that is amazing. And I love and I love I I always love to end on a positive note, you know. Um, so thank you again, Brittany, for being here. It was so lovely meeting you in person and like next time over cocktails, and we'll have that little wild care free side come out. Definitely for sure, for sure. Um, would you like to tell people where to find you?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:15

Sure, Britney Hopper T V, and that's B R I T T, N E Y H O P P E R T V. On Instagram. On Instagram, yes, yes, it's like my biggest following. Yeah, yeah, okay, great.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:27

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:27

Thank you.