She's Not Done

The Mom Friends Who Become Family

• Kouelee & Andrea • Season 1 • Episode 7

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Mom friends can be lifesavers—or leave you completely drained.

In this episode, Kouelee and Andrea dive into the complicated world of mom friendships: how they're formed, why some last a lifetime, and why others fade away. From awkward playground small talk and birthday party anxiety to finding the people you trust with your children, they explore what makes a true mom friend.

The conversation touches on parenting differences, trust, sleepovers, raising kids in Europe versus America, friendship after divorce, and the challenge of making meaningful connections as an introvert. Most importantly, they discuss how the best mom friendships often evolve into something much deeper: real friendship.

Whether you have one trusted mom friend or a whole village, this episode is a reminder that the right people make motherhood a little less lonely.


00:00 – Welcome back + the mom friend who recharged your battery

04:30 – Trust, playdates, and parenting differently than we were raised

09:00 – What makes a truly great mom friend?

13:00 – Why making mom friends as an adult feels so hard

18:00 – The different roles mom friends play in our lives

22:00 – Losing friendships, outgrowing people, and friendship after divorce

27:00 – Sleepovers, trust, and finding your parenting village

30:00 – Making mom friends as an introvert

31:30 – Final thoughts on friendship, community, and motherhood


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Thank you for being here! And remember, you are NOT alone and you are Not done.

xxx Andrea & Kouelee


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Speaker 1

Relationships don't work, we should always work on them, and we should always like compromise and give and take.

Speaker 2

Hi guys, welcome back to She's Not Done. I'm your host, Kouelee and I'm your host, Andrea. I'm still married and I'm still divorced as of today. May 26th. May 2026. You know what's funny? This weekend I went for a walk with a friend, and when I came back, and it just aligns with this topic of mom friends, I felt so recharged. And I couldn't help but think about the fact that sometimes when I come home from other mom friends, I feel drained. Has that ever happened to you? That you feel drained after leaving. I mean, a person to begin with, but a mom friend and why?

Speaker 1

So I have, and I think those relationships are kind of temporary, you know, because you you you learn that like that that's exhausting. Yeah. And and if everything has to be a certain way, and it can be exhausting. And I don't want to judge anybody for what they what they need or how they live or how they parent, but it just sometimes you know it's just not gonna work out long term. Yeah, it's like dating, right? Like not everything's working out long term, it's so true. So I do. I and it's usually just like you're not aligning with that person, yeah. And that's okay.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and at the basis of it, if you think about it, it's because you're they're your mom friends most of the times because your kids are friends. So then they become mom friends, right? I I guess that's the term. Well, at least that's what how I think about it. I don't think of another random mom as my mom friend if the kids are not.

Speaker 1

It is usually the kids that bring you together, the same age, the same activities, doing all the things, right?

Speaker 2

I have to say, I've I've we have been so lucky with our mom friends, where I guess Adriana knows how to pick her friends because the parents are we have like three that we're extremely close with, and the friends are close, and we got extremely lucky. Some of them we had to l leave behind because, you know, unfortunately.

Speaker 1

You can't walk away feeling exhausted like that.

Speaker 2

Not only that, but I feel like it's not just a date for them, right? If you do a play date, I feel like it has to be also working for the parents because otherwise, how do you maintain that? If the parents don't don't get along at a young age, at least for me, it's not that don't get along, but you just there's like dead silence in the room.

Speaker 1

Or it's just effort, or you're pushing and you're getting one one-word answers. See, that's when I'm like, hey, do you want to just drop your kid off? Go have a great day.

Speaker 2

Well, because you can. I can't do that with a two-year-old and a six-year-old. Oh, this is you know.

Speaker 1

I mean, you could.

Speaker 2

I could say that. You couldn't.

Speaker 1

Right.

unknown

Yeah.

Speaker 1

No, I mean drop your kid off, because I'm not. Oh, mine. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Oh, God. That's another thing, like, as well, when you get to a point where you are dropping your kids off, you know, the question, like, I don't want to seem I'm the last to be a helicopter mom, but I don't want to seem like I'm hovering. But if I've never been in your house, oh yeah, I like I need to know.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that's difficult.

Speaker 1

You know, do you have, do you have, you know, I don't even know if I'm allowed to use the word, but do you have cu-poos lying around? You know, oh a hundred percent. Are you you're not allowed to say the word, are you? You'll get caught. But everyone's gonna know what I mean, right? I'm not sure, but I don't care if you've got them, are they locked up in a safe? Yeah, now everybody's gonna know what I mean. Yeah, you know, because you would be surprised how many people don't follow safety like like that. So I don't know how we got to there. I'm sorry, but it that's where my brain goes.

Speaker 2

No, but it it I mean it's it's true. I think that I would have to see your home first, but even then I don't know you, or I may know you, I may not know your husband or your partner or whatever the case may be. Yeah, I think that it would take a long time for me to get to that point when I think about how I grew up.

Speaker 1

No, but it's but it but it's different. It's the truth because we were raised differently than how we're raising our kids. Yeah, so it is on point. Like my mom didn't care where we were.

Speaker 2

Yeah, as long as I came home for dinner. Right.

Speaker 1

My nan would we would be at my nan's most of the time. She would call us home, you know, and then go say, okay, go back downstairs, you're good, go ahead. Be out till it was dark. Yeah, we've I've never I can never do that with my kids. No. We live on the road from a park, and even if they want to go to the park on their own now, unless there's a group of them, I'm worried.

Speaker 2

Yeah. Well, that's with with this topic of mom friends, right? It's you have to define for yourself what is what's a quality, what qualifies as a mom friend for you, right? Because for me, it would have to be somebody that's trustworthy, somebody that I feel safe with, not only me, but my my children that's loving, caring, doesn't judge. That's a mom friend to me.

Speaker 1

Yeah. That's a that's as silly as it sounds, that's a lot as well, right?

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

And I feel the same way. There's mom friends I have now that I've had for a very long time, and I love them dearly, and they're a lifeline. They are a lifeline. They're they're the friends that I can say, I can't get back in time. Can you just grab my kid from school? And they'll grab them. And and I haven't seen them for two weeks, three weeks. We haven't spoken, we haven't, and there's no judgment. Yeah, I got your kid, no worries, drop them off.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

You know, I just flew actually to see my dad for the day, and Emily needed a ride back midday. And there's one person who there's like very few people I trust, and he went and picked her her up, messaged me, I have I have your kid, dropped her off, she's home, and then left.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

I haven't spoken to them since. It's like there's very few. So I have a a lot of mom friends that are judgment-free, phenomenal. And then in between that, I've had other mom friends that are kind of for a face. And I don't mean that negatively, just like it worked out then, it doesn't work out now. Yeah. And I think I've had friendships like that too. It worked out then, it doesn't work out now. Our values change, our direction changes. We get older, the kids needs change. No.

Speaker 2

And I think that it's it's hard because to begin with, it's extremely hard to make friends in general. I feel like at our age, unless you're like five. Yeah. But mom friends is a whole different category.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

Because it's it's not just a friend, it's a friend that relates to you in your current phase of life, right? And so making that friend, that mom friend, is extremely hard. And I was just talking to my friend about it. And I have, I would say maybe three mom friends, plus, you know, my regular friends, which are I also can count on one hand.

Speaker 1

Right. Well, you want quality, not quantity.

Speaker 2

100%, but that's what we're talking about. So it's extremely hard when you for me at least, because I'm an introvert, when I go into a crowd where even if it's at a park, I'm not gonna just go up to somebody and start a conversation because I hate small talk. I so it's like, how do I make mom friends if I can't even get past the small talk?

Speaker 1

I think it's at the past your own fears of rejection is probably something to do with it.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

And like, what if I start talking to this person and have nothing in common with them? How do I how do I reverse out of the conversation? You know, what if my kid doesn't like their kid? There's so many, yeah. I think you just gotta be brave.

Speaker 2

Yeah, no.

Speaker 1

And and I mean, listen, I talk to it's it's hard for me to relate to that. Because even though I don't like small talk, I will talk to everybody. I just yeah, you know, that's just who I am. And then you figure out what you like and what you don't like. And if this conversation isn't going where I want it to go, like we just move along, you know. But I don't I don't know. I think you just gotta sometimes take a chance. I think for you, with them being so little, you're gonna you're gonna find like people amongst the activities that you have to go to. Yeah. The birthday parties you have to go to.

Speaker 2

At a birthday party.

Speaker 1

And then you probably clicked with one of them and was like, this is great. Yeah. I wonder what happens though if you click and they don't.

Speaker 2

Well, nothing. Yeah. I mean, it is what it is. Yeah. The thing is, for me, even if that was to happen, it is what it is, because either way, I'm not gonna make that second step to reach out. Even if it, even if it clicked for me and for them, because I'm such an introvert, you need someone to lead you. I'm afraid of rejection.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

Like I have another mom friend, like, she's the one that gets me out of the house. Literally, like she's the one that, hey, I see this for the girls. We should do this, we should do this. And I'm just like, just sign me up.

Speaker 1

See, and that's fantastic. See, that's a friendship that works for both of you. She's probably a planner, yeah, and loves to get out of the house with her kids. Yeah, and you will just go with the flow with whatever's going on up there. She's like you, she's always moving about what's going on. So that's great.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

See, that's where it works.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

Right? Now, if you have two people and neither of them want to make plans and neither of them want to do anything, yeah, that doesn't work.

Speaker 2

But then it brings me to the topic of I feel like and it's weird because are your mom friends, dad friends are they there for just a purpose that serves you and serves them? Is it you know what I'm saying? So are we using each other for what we can offer each other? Maybe, but I don't think I think But in not in a bad way, just you know respectfully. Yes.

Speaker 1

You're both helping each other. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2

In in well, maybe helping is the better word, noting.

Speaker 1

We're helping each other because honestly, it's really fucking hard somedays.

Speaker 2

Because if I categorize my mom friends, right? My three mom friends, yeah, one takes me out of the house, one is my safe space, safe place, and the other one is just a good time. Nice. You know what I mean? So it's like it's perfect.

Speaker 1

Do you have a perfect combination? Imagine if you all got together. Yeah, it would be great. I feel like ask I would I'd love to know, like ask one of them how what what what kind of friend of mine to them?

Speaker 2

Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1

It's like a benefit.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

And I bet they say, Oh, I can talk to her about anything at 100%, or I know she's there, or I know when she when I need her, she's there, or she's non-judgmental. That's you.

Speaker 2

I wonder. Loyal.

Speaker 1

That's actually non-judgmental. You are. I know even if we don't speak for two, three weeks, it it's not right now, but all the time. But there's not many people I can go on holiday with. We've gone on holiday together. I do have I have my mom friends that are phenomenal. And I have like one that we go walking regularly. I have you know, like we just it's definitely different phases. Yeah. And all of them, I have to say, all of them that that I'm now in constant contact with and have great relationships with are also the mom friends that helped me through a divorce. Most of them are married. There's no there's no similarity there, but they just listened to me for for years.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

As we were going through that process with no judgment. And like I said before, there's other friends that I've been connected with, and I think it's a connection, and then it it dissipates. Yeah. But that's not a bad thing either.

Speaker 2

No, I mean it depends, right? Because you could have thought one way about the relationship, and then the other person thinks about it a different way. And losing friends or mom friends, I think that you invest so much time in a person. And so when you do lose that person, depending on how much you've invested, right? Because if if if you've both just been mom friends and it's just been on the surface, then it is what it is, you know. But if it's something where you've invested your time and energy and you've shared, I think the moment that you share personal aspects of your life.

Speaker 1

100%. I agree.

Speaker 2

And you lose that person, yeah, no matter how you lose that person, that hurts.

Speaker 1

Yeah. It definitely does. And and for a while there, in different scenarios, you question yourself.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

Because I want to make sure that I'm a friend that's compassionate, loving, and kind.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

And we all see each other differently, right? So you see me as compassionate, loving, and kind. Someone else may be like, you know, I did something that I'm unaware of. Right. So I think we see each other differently. How I see you, Juan sees you differently. Yes. You know, Cynthia sees you differently. Like we all have different relationships with the same person. So, you know, not knowing and it not working sometimes works out for the better. But it it you have to go through that heartache a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 2

I mean, in that moment, it just doesn't feel like that. After that, I don't think I've there is one person that has left my life that I regret losing.

Speaker 1

Right.

Speaker 2

But in that moment, oh, yeah.

Speaker 1

But as you work through it, yeah, because that's what we have to do, right? We have to work through our, we have to look at ourselves, we have to check our own motives. That's me anyway. That's just my my opinion. Like when something goes wrong, I do check my motives, I check how my behavior was. And I feel like once you've worked through that, whether you're right or wrong and you get to the other side, now you gotta let it go.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

Because resentment will eat away at you. And I just don't have time for that.

Speaker 2

No.

Speaker 1

And then I have so many kind, loving mom friends that now I want to make time for that.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

And that's what's gonna, that's what's gonna be integrated into my time when there is so much so little of it, right? Some friends are amazing friends in that moment. But I have noticed there's been times where when you're struggling and they're there, but as you begin to progress, do better and become better, and work through like the crap, and you start to shine, I do find there has been other friends that I've lost along the way.

Speaker 2

So do you think it's because they've helped or played some part in helping you get to where you need to be to come back to the surface, if that makes sense, and then they see you're back at the surface, they're like, all right, I think I can let go? Or do you think it's because it's they're jealous?

Speaker 1

I love that.

Speaker 2

I was really just thinking about it.

Speaker 1

No, I'm gonna go with that. Yeah, that's not where, but I love that.

Speaker 2

And you know what I'm saying, why I'm saying that is because sometimes when I help friends that are struggling and they're, you know, I I talk some talk them through it, or you know, it it it's days after days, or month after month of, you know, talking to one another and helping each other like get back to normalcy.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

Once I see that they're all right, they're doing better, and they don't need my help, I retract a little bit, if that makes sense. I let them enjoy what they've worked on.

Speaker 1

They're light. I like that. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2

But I think maybe you were talking about do they still support you after?

Speaker 1

Right. Yeah. And I've had I've unfortunately had experiences where they don't. And it's you it and it coincides with other things that have gone on, you know. So it's like, yeah, but I like that. I like that.

unknown

Yeah.

Speaker 1

We agree because I've I have friends that have have have worked through problems with me and and then took a back seat, worked through problems, took a back seat, and then we meet for coffee and we talk about everybody, right? Yeah. And those are the friends that stick around, those are the friends that are there when it's dark, yeah, when it's light, the in-between. Yeah, those are the people as well, like when when I've done good, or I'm or they see that I've done something successful, they're like cheering me on. They're the loudest. That I love. That I think is a beautiful that's what I want to be.

Speaker 2

I think that yes, I agree. I think a good mom friend is, you know, you could talk for hours about the bad, but you could talk for hours about the good. Yeah. And cheering like yourself on.

Speaker 1

So let me ask you a question. Do you have a mom friend that you would trust to take your kids for the night? So you could, besides me. So you could You're not my mom friend. I actually, you're my friend. I love you.

unknown

Yeah.

Speaker 1

Do you think that we are actually? Yeah. Do you think that you have someone in your life that you would trust to have your children overnight?

Speaker 2

Yeah. I would I ever ask you probably.

Speaker 1

Now the second question is, will you ask them? Probably not.

Speaker 2

But again, it's because I it's fear of rejection. I don't think I would ask. If maybe they would offer, maybe I would take them up on the offer. I don't think I would ever ask. I don't think that would uh they will well, I don't think this will ever happen. I'm gonna be very honest. I I don't see a day in my life where, at least when they're this little, where I'm going to be asking somebody.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

No.

Speaker 1

You know, talking of sleepovers, my kids never really had sleepovers besides family. So, you know, I get that.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

It not making it happen or not.

Speaker 2

No, I think I'm okay with sleepovers. I grew up doing sleepovers left and right. It was great. I'm okay with sleepovers if I think I I'm a pretty good judge of someone else's character. And also I would not just okay a sleepover with somebody I just met.

Speaker 1

Right.

Speaker 2

It would have to be somebody that I've had a relationship with. Like it wouldn't have to be, it couldn't be somebody that I just met two years ago. I mean two months ago.

Speaker 1

Right. So here's the the other end of that is my children are older and they do have sleep up as but my oldest has a real tight group of friends that they've had for four years now. So I don't mind her, excuse me. I don't mind her staying at those friends and those friends stay at my house. And I've become friends with those moms, and that relationship is fantastic. We're like, hey, this is we're doing this on this day. Is your kid available? Yeah, absolutely. Off they go. And and then they come with me, they know they're safe. My kids go with them. Yeah, I know they're safe. Emily asked for outside of that circle the other day, and I was like, oh no, no, yeah. So now are we clicky? I don't know. Like, I don't want to be clicky.

Speaker 2

Because so clicky is not always bad because clicky means trust, right? Whether you trust yourselves within that group or you know, you trust the kids together in that group.

Speaker 1

Yeah, they're a great group.

Speaker 2

Clicky means that you just trust each other. Yeah, that's that's how I see clicky.

Speaker 1

Yeah, you know, just shut it down.

Speaker 2

Nope. Yeah, I probably wouldn't either.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2

And also we live in America, which is it's it's also harder, I think, than where we grew up.

Speaker 1

Because it's so I think it's so I don't want to say it sound, but it's so vast. Not yes, nobody walks around. Yes, you don't want to work. No, like you can't.

Speaker 2

I mean, I took my bicycle to school. I took public transportation to school, or when I was in middle school, I would walk to school. Yeah, you need a car here. Yeah, so it makes it scarier. The bigger, the vaster it is, the scarier it is to let your kid off on their own. Yeah.

Speaker 1

I definitely, I definitely feel that. But again, there's a comfort, even at the beginning of getting to know those moms, it was like, oh, I don't know. You know, and then I'd ask the other mom, well, they all want to stay here, and I don't want my kid to feel left out, but also So let me ask you a question then, right?

Speaker 2

Because you said that you are all clicky. Do you actually get along with the the parents? Yes. Do you guys also hang out on the side, or is it truly just the kids get along? You kind of get along, you trust each other, but do you actually have like fun with them? Could you go on like a mom friends date?

Speaker 1

Yeah. So we've we've done that. There was a group of us, and one of the moms had it at her house, and it was fantastic. Making time for that seems almost impossible. So that was fantastic. And now, like the the group also got a little bit smaller. People disagree or change and they're in high school. But I would say there's a good core group now, and I get along with each of the mums individually, and I'd be happy to like hang out together. Making time it feels impossible.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

Because your whole time now is around these kids. And now all of our kids are turning 16. So there's a 16 party or 16 parties, you know. But the beautiful thing is we all trust each other with our with our kids. And I don't think I think once you find that you want to hold on to it. But then how do you handle like when the kids no longer talk and you really love the mom? Right? I know.

Speaker 2

If I think about my mom friends, and if the kids well, put it this way, they're so little, anyways. They're three different schools to begin with. So it's really we're just holding the relationship together because of us, and it's not because of the kids. Yeah. In a sense, they love each other when they see each other, but it's really the puns. But if they were to say, Oh, I don't want to be friends with Adriana anymore. Oh yeah. But it's I guess I would have to do it secretly. I don't care at that point because those are my really good mom friends. If I lose them, mom friends, dad friends, if I lose them, I would be devastated.

Speaker 1

Yeah. It happens. I don't and the kids shift and they move and they different schools and then different classes and then they make new friends. But like you can get attached as a mom. Yeah.

Speaker 2

But I think I think I'm okay. Because yeah, because they're already in three different schools. So you bounce. So well, no, so they don't see each other at all, the kids, unless we get together.

Speaker 1

Now, with the mom friends, do the dad I'm single mom, so most of their friends are married couples. Yeah. You know, they're not that they're not divorced, and the dads do just as much as the moms, and it and I trust my kids there as well. You know, they're great. Does do you and Juan do couple things with these? Oh yeah, that's so cute.

Speaker 2

Oh, I like that. It it's as hard as it is to make mom friends, especially for me as an introvert, and I will say my mom friends have I I call them mom friends, but they're not my mom friends, they're my actual friends now.

Speaker 1

You know, at the beginning they were they've graduated 100%.

Speaker 2

But yeah, it it's thanks to them that I've made mom friends because I'm an introvert, and so you know, I would love to know where you can meet mom friends. My friend was saying the other day, you just have to be out in your community, like you have to take that step, which is like you say, you have to be brave. Yeah, I can't do that. So, how do I make other mom friends? Do I just wait for people to come up to me? And mind you, I am not approachable. I am telling you, I'm just not. No, you would not. Maybe not. You would not just because I feel like an introvert has a special, not special look to them, but because you're so nervous about somebody approaching you, you just look like you don't want to be approached. Don't nope don't talk to me. Don't make eye contact. If I'm with somebody that's that's an extrovert and they feel the need to talk to everyone else, and I'm just there because I don't know how to make conversation, I get annoyed. Like I'm here, like you don't need anybody else. You just need me, stranges, you just need me, but that's that's a true feeling, yeah. And then I become even less approachable because then I get angry. So then I really look like so funny, yeah.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah. See, if we were in shop, right, you would absolutely hate me. Let's go to wetlands together. Nope.

Speaker 2

Meet you at the car. No, I I I could with another introvert. Like I have another friend, and he's extreme, I'm extremely close with him. He's like me, he's an introvert. Yeah, I would do that with him, not with you.

Speaker 1

So when we're going shopping, the girls will go, mommy, we're just going in and out, right? No, I'm like, that's me. So I I go, Well, yeah, what do you mean? Well, can you just like not talk to everybody? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2

That's and then I'm like, How do you find the energy?

Speaker 1

But you know how hard it is not to I'm like the all state commercial, easy, not to speak to anybody, extremely easy.

Speaker 2

No, I can't help it.

Speaker 1

Do you need help with that? Can I help you with that? Oh no, you go ahead first. They've got like a whole trolley full and I'm fan. Kids are like, mommy. Yeah, I couldn't have. I'm sorry. No. So, how to make mom friends when you're an introvert. I guess just stand there in the corner and wait. See what happens.

Speaker 2

There's gonna be an extrovert that's gonna eventually come up to me, right? You know what?

Speaker 1

You just send Sophia and just be like, go make oh god, yeah.

Speaker 2

But that's what I do. I have to mention that that is what I do.

Speaker 1

Uh-huh.

Speaker 2

The only reason I go to birthday parties is because my kid is there that can I can talk to my kid, number one. It makes it less hard. And then she starts a conversation with her friend. So then I say hi to the parents. Yeah. And then we start small talk, so it's a stepping stone. No, even then, it's extremely hard for me to carry the conversation because I hate small talk.

Speaker 1

So then it just fizzles out, it does.

Speaker 2

And then I just, oh, where's that, Jana?

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah. Oh, let me go see where my kid is. I have to tell you, kids are this is I feel really bad saying this. There has been numerous times where I've used my kids 100%. They're my buffer. And I don't mean to do it, but like I'll get uncomfortable with something and I'm like, oh, I gotta go. The kids, oh, I gotta pick the kids up, or oh, the kids need me.

Speaker 2

Oh, they've been my excuse. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1

Um well, especially at Sophia's. I'm sorry, we gotta go nah. Nobody's but mine are older now, so when I'm like, oh no, I gotta really gotta nah. Sorry, why don't you gotta go nah?

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. That that I will say they have rescued me more than and rescued me like because I'm such an introvert in that way. They've rescued me out of so many situations.

Speaker 1

They see panic over mommy's face. Oh yeah. Oh my god, and it just gets it gets better once they get older. Yeah, you know, oh my gosh. Yeah, well, mom friends, I couldn't live without them. You clearly could.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I I'm okay. I have my three. Yeah, keep your three. Yeah, well, actually, technically I have zero because they're now my friends. So I have zero mom friends.

Speaker 1

Again, they graduated. I like that.

Speaker 2

Yeah, but now I'm back to zero mom friends. Oh well. So where do I find them? I would love to know. Where did you make your mom friends? You don't need them.

Speaker 1

Even if you don't need them. Is that what you said? That's what I said. I'm so not approachable. Even if you don't want yeah, even if you don't need them, please tell us where do you find these unwanted, unneeded mom friends?

Speaker 2

Sounds like I'm such a bitch. You may have some good mom friends or toxic mom friends.

Speaker

You may have lost some mom friends and gained some extraordinary friends. But you're not alone and you're definitely not done.

Speaker 2

Till next time.

Speaker

Bye!