Grounding, Earthing & Energetic Maps: A Breathwork Conversation with Renee Boatman

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RENEE BOATMAN

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In this episode of The GLIMPSE Method Podcast, Megan sits down with breathwork facilitator, somatic practitioner, and inner child healer Renee Boatman — who also happened to be one of Megan’s favorite instructors during her breathwork certification. Together they dive deep into the G of GLIMPSE: Grounding.
This conversation is rich, real, and full of practical wisdom. You’ll learn why grounding doesn’t have to mean stillness, how to release energy that isn’t yours, and why your energetic “map” shapes the way you show up for yourself and others.
In this episode:
∙Why grounding looks different for everyone — and why movement can be the bridge
∙The concept of releasing energy that isn’t yours, and what that actually feels like in the body
∙The Breath of Joy — a quick, standing breath practice you can do anywhere to shift your state in minutes
∙Renee’s morning ritual: “Show me how good it can be” — a simple declaration to prime your day
∙Earthing vs. grounding: what the science says about skin-to-earth contact and the earth’s magnetic field
∙The four energetic maps (Earth, Ember, Water, Air) from the Pause breathwork framework
∙How to speak from your heart, gut, or root — not just your head — and why it changes everything
∙Cyclical living and honoring your menstrual cycle phases: follicular, ovulation, luteal, and menstrual
∙Why the luteal phase is the “red flag phase” — and how to use it as wisdom instead of a reason to spiral
∙Duality as a healing tool: holding the ick and the happiness at the same time
∙“Pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional” — and how breathwork gives you the tools to choose
Resources mentioned:
∙Stardust app — cycle tracking
∙HeartMath Institute — research on heart coherence and energetic resonance
∙Book: Cycle Syncing by Renee Fleck (aligning your business with your cycle)
∙Eat Like a Girl — fasting and nutrition aligned with your cycle phases
∙Kathy Heller — podcast and Kabbalah-inspired teachings
Connect with Renee Boatman:
Instagram: @renee.don.boatman
Skool community (coming soon): free breathwork sessions, meditations, and workshops for women, practitioners, and healers

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:07

Hi everybody, it's Megan from the Glimpse Method, and I am excited today. We are gonna be really diving into the first pillar of the Glimpse Method, grounding. And I have a super awesome, sweet guest here with me. Her name is Renee Boatman. Um, Renee helps female coaches and practitioners who feel drained, overwhelmed, or energetically entangled with their client clients reclaim with their clients, reclaim their energy and lead from grounded, embodied power through breath work, somatic practices, and inner child healing. She supports women in regulating their nervous system, restoring boundaries, and reconnecting to their own clarity and creative flow. Her trauma-informed approach creates a safe, deeply attuned space where true healing and self-trust can unfold. And I know Renee because she was a mentor and instructor for me during my um breathwork certification. And she I've been led through many breathwork and course um information from her. And I always felt so held and so I got so much out of all of the sessions that she led and the course curriculum. So here she is joining us today from out west, Renee Boatman. I'm saying that right, correct? Yes, you are. Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

So hear me in.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Yeah, it's so good to see your face again. Um and hear your voice. So I'm just gonna start with like an icebreaker. Um, so I'm just curious what you've been into lately, what you have been loving.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Um I think I've been loving a couple things because we're kind of in that transition of seasons and the awakening of the new year with the season. If you if you follow like the uh Chinese New Year or or resonate more with the new year being in spring. So as we were ending the cold season, I've really been into hot yoga. Oh, yeah. I I've been a yoga instructor for years, but I hadn't had a hot yoga studio here where I live. And so I started working at a hot yoga studio, and I've just been loving that extra heat with the movement practice. But as we're moving into this spring, I am just loving being outside and walking in nature again. And there's some trails that are pretty close to me. And during spring and summer, I'm usually there quite a lot, and then it gets pretty muddy during the winter and I don't go as much. And it's always like seeing seeing my tree friends again after you know the season where I go and I'm like, oh, hello, I missed you. Oh, it's great, and the trees are great, and the bees and the sounds, and it's just um feels like coming home.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

Yeah, I love I'm a definite forest girl. I just put um oh our inspire podcast, and I was talking about how you can really get inspired just by walking in nature and being amongst the trees. So that's great. And hot yoga is amazing. I trained to be an instructor in hot yoga, um, and then I got pregnant kind of in mid-training, and then I got super nauseous, and so then I was like, I I stepped away from hot yoga for like 10 years because it just reminded me of being nauseous, it was so sad, but it is such a great, a great practice to do. So that that sounds amazing. Um, so um, in this episode, I wanted to um, so the glimpse method, um, we start with grounding, and we learned a lot about grounding um in the breathwork um certification program that I did that you were an instructor in, and I felt like you did such a beautiful job. Um, I mean, just even listening to your voice grounds me. It's like I remember the the sessions, um, and I would always go to the mentor-led sessions. They had a whole recording of them, and I would look for where Renee was actually the lead. And I know other students as well. You were like one of their favorites. So I mean, they were all great, but you know, so great. So um talking about grounding and and the importance of grounding, I would love for you to go into that more um deeply. Maybe just, you know, you can just take it away, or I could you could talk about how you ground or the importance of, you know, grounding. I'm sure you're very versed on this subject and um and I would love to hear from you.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Yeah, you bet. I yeah, I'm happy to share some of my own practices, but one of the things that I love talking about when I'm teaching on this topic is how we all have our unique recipe of what that's gonna look like. And I feel really grounded when I'm out in nature, and I think a lot of people tend to, whether it's conscious or unconscious, feel like they're more grounded when they're out in nature, especially if we can have our actual skin connected with the earth and we, you know, when we can be barefoot. But everyone's gonna have their own recipe of different modalities that help them ground. And I think that it might be a little bit of a misconception that we need to ground in stillness. You know, when people think of, oh, I need to regulate or I need to calm or ground, they think I need to sit down, I need to meditate, I need to be slow. And really we can ground in so many different ways, and movement can be a part of that, whether it's walking in nature or just putting our feet in the earth, or when we're perhaps wanting to release energy before we ground, which I think is a little bit of a hack that is really helpful for people, is sometimes we want to go from being all in the mind and being in the structure and the go, go, go. And then we want to just say, Oh, I need to ground. Okay, let me go stand in the earth and then wait, why isn't this working? Yeah, and it's a hard transition to go from the go, go, go and being in the mind to just okay, I'm gonna be in stillness and ground. Oh, but my mind's still going.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Yeah, it's almost like it's like a ticking time bomb or something.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Yeah, and it's it's hard to make that switch unless we are in some way priming our system and our mind to start to navigate in that way. And so movement can be a beautiful bridge for us to transition from the mind and the go, go, go and potentially carrying energy that isn't necessarily ours to being able to release the energy, release some of that uh mind energy or the mind busyness, and then go into the stillness or a slower practice that perhaps brings the awareness more into the body. But even if it's as simple as I'm gonna stand and put my hand on my heart and my belly and I'm gonna start to rock and just let that movement start to soothe and calm the system, or it could be something bigger, like I'm going to shake and bounce around and literally wipe the energy off of me that I might have picked up. That could have a grounding effect, just being able to have a little bit of time for releasing and then visualizing that, yeah, as it can be helpful. Yeah, and that's how we can really connect the mind and the body, right? When we instead of saying, Okay, mind, I'm shutting you off, I don't want you to think, and the mind goes, um, like hell, I'm gonna think because that's what I do, right? But instead, it's like, can we reassign the mind away from the to-dos and into the visual of what your intention is, whether that's releasing energy or maybe it's a visual of growing roots down into the earth and imagining that as we breathe, we're drawing energy up from the earth on the inhales and we're releasing energy back down on the exhales. It's one thing to hear that prompt and to just breathe with that intention, and it's another thing to bring the active mind with it and have the visual visualization to go along with the practice you're engaging the body in. And when we can bring that into alignment, we often will feel the effects much faster.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

Yeah. One thing that you said that resonates with me, and actually, it was just kind of a concept that I learned during breathwork work is like letting go of stuff that isn't yours. It's amazing how freeing, even like somebody saying that to you is. I I remember even just like having tears after that, like, oh my god, I holding all this stuff that's not even my stuff. And that can help you to kind of get to a grounding position. Because how are you gonna ground if you're carrying around, you know, you got monkeys on your back or whatever you wanna, you know.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

So yeah, that really hear that all the time, right? We hear the the reels on social media or the carousels that tell us that we should not carry other people's stuff and to leave it on their side of the road and let go of the things we can't control. We hear all of that and we know logically that that would benefit us, but then the practice is what actually gets us to go from the concept to the embodiment. And it's just all this information, but you hear exactly how do we translate that into the physicality that then allows us to release, and that's gonna be a little different for everyone.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Do you have um like a grounding practice or even just like a morning? Um, I've been hearing a lot about morning rituals and how important it is to like start your day. And I've been having my own version of that kind of building on different things.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Um, do you have a practice that you do that helps you or yeah, it it changes slightly depending on the mood and the season and sometimes what phase of my own cycle that I'm in. But um I one thing that I've really been enjoying that I started doing um, I don't know, in the last year uh is when I wake up, I try to prime my day with a few intentional thoughts uh because we can so often fall into the trap of our routine thoughts. And when we are thinking the same thoughts, that'll lead to the same emotions, the same actions, and the same reality, right? So as we want to make shifts in our life, we also have to make shifts in our thoughts. So one of the things that I've been saying to myself in the mornings before I get out of bed is show me how good it can be. Yeah. Show me how it's kind of like a declaration to the universe. Show me how good it can be. And it's one, it helps me remember that I'm not just doing this all on my own, that there's energy and life force outside of me that's conspiring in my favor every day and every way. And it's it, I have to remind myself to come back to that because like many of us, I do have a very hyper-independent, controlling part of me that wants to always plan and prepare and be very linear. And to get out of that linear space, I kind of have to let a little bit of that go. And so, trust is my word for the year that I'm trying to do is how can I trust the unfolding? How can I trust that I have everything I need? How can I trust that I'm not all on my own and that there is energy and I believe I have spirit guides supporting me, and and that could be a whole nother episode. But oh yeah, come back. That priming, yeah, that priming in the morning. I really love that. Show me how good it can be, show me how everything can unfold in my favor. Show me how um how happy I can become, and just little things like that that show me, and it also just invites the mind to start wandering in that direction rather than wandering in the direction of um the what-ifs or the um how bad it could be because that can be kind of the lack, you know, not the worst case scenario. Like, let me prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

Um, but rather can we prepare for the best by priming our our mind and our body to expect the best to happen? Show me how good it can be. What does that look like? Let my mind go there, and then I will usually have breathing be a part of my morning. Sometimes before I get out of bed, sometimes I'm a little too tired, and that can kind of send me back to sleep. So I just need to get up, do a little movement, and then come back to the breath. Um, but the breath is kind of like little anchor points throughout my day where um I've kind of conditioned myself to turn to the breath when I'm needing that pick me up, or I'm needing a shift change before a session, or just, you know, because I have a down energy in my day, it's not just laying down to breathe. It's also, okay, how can I, I'm gonna do some torso twists and breathe for two minutes, or I'm gonna do the breath of joy for two minutes and get my body moving with the breath and start to cultivate energy. That's one of my favorite things about breath work is we can use it to cultivate energy and then we can also use it to downregulate and calm energy. And it's really just about our intention, our pattern, our intensity, and that mixture that then allows us to completely control the state we want to be in, which is just so cool.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

Yeah. So what what's the breath of joy?

SPEAKER_00 16:04

Oh, so the breath of joy is sounds like something we can't skip by. Yeah. I mean, shit, because it is it's a standing practice. And so get my dog bed out of the way over here. So it's three breaths in and one breath out, all through the mouth, and you stand about shoulder width apart, little bend in the knees, and then we sit back like we're sitting in a chair, and we inhale the energy all the way up, we inhale the energy out, we inhale it back up, and then we let it go. And I like to imagine as we are letting it go, I'm releasing energy out of the fingertips and I'm just giving it to the earth. So we're bringing energy in, energy in, energy in, and then we're letting anything go that's ready to release. And then you're bringing that movement in with the breath and that visual of release. And then I usually like to end it with a hand on the heart, a hand on the belly, closing the eyes, coming into center, and just noticing okay, how different do I feel? How centered do I feel? And it's beautiful too because as we move with the breath and release the energy, we then come to center and realize it's a lot less noisy.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

Yeah, I have done that, I think, through the certificate. I think we did it on one of the calls or something, and now I remember. And thank you for reminding me of that.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Um it's just a quick state changer. It can be 10 rounds, it can be a minute, two minutes, just put on your favorite song. It doesn't have to be, you know, a full meditative session where you're in the breath for an hour. We can use the breath in these little increments too.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

Just like if you work from home or you know, just get up from your desk, or I mean, even if you work, I could do it at work. My co-workers would probably do it with me, you know. Um, let's do the breath of joy, guys. I'm gonna try that. Yeah. Um, a few things.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

And even if you're stuck at your desk, you can inhale the energy up, yeah, exhale the energy all the way through. Inhale the energy up, exhale it all the way through, and not even get up, you know, and that can be a really good one, especially if you, you know, had a call and you're feeling a little bit dysregulated from it for whatever reason. Can we invite the energy from the earth, that grounding energy to surround us, and then invite it to help us release all the way through the body and let it go? And just do a few rounds of inviting the grounding in and then giving it back to the earth because the the earth is the ultimate alkalizer, right? We can release into the earth and it's going to sh change it and transform it. And as we breathe back in, it's new life, and we circulate that through. And even a few rounds of that in between calls can be that little bit of a shift change that you need, or at least uh redirect the mind from wherever it might have been spiraling a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

Yeah, yeah. A few things that you said. So in my transformation in the past year, um so I know how much you know about me, but I um I was looking for an alternative, like how I found the breath work. I was looking for an alternative to therapy for my daughter. She's neurodivergent, she's got a lot of PTSD from school and bullying, and just um, and she was diagnosed late with autism. So it's like her whole school years, they didn't know. We didn't know. I mean, we had her tested, but she never, you know, it was kind of a frustrating thing. And so unfortunately, a lot of teachers, kids, parents just thought she was a brat. And I could just cry saying that because that was her childhood, you know. Anyway, so I was looking for alternatives for her, you know, instead of talk therapy. And um I I stumbled upon breath work, and then I was part of, I'm sure you know who Kathy Heller is, I was part of her community, and then she had Sam, who is the creator of pause, the the breathwork um certification that I I got. She came and did a breath work session, and it was just like almost a just like a week or two after I heard about breath work as an alternative, and I did the session, and she, you know, of course, had some scream and deal to join and do the program. And I was, you know, what I'm I'm 51. I went back to school for X-ray radio radiology school in my 40s, and I was like, that's it. You know, like I did my undergrad, I did an MBA. Um, I was in business, I had my own dog walking business, or I was in corporate, had a dog walking business, then went to do radiology. I was like, that's it, I'm done. And then this came along and I was like, oh, I think I need to do this. And so now I'm doing a whole new route. Um so now I lost my point. What was I saying? Um Kathy. Yeah, and so what something you had said um about how how good it can be. Um I'm getting all but um so I We're hitting the good stuff. I know, because I never thought that. And I was like 50, you know, why didn't I learn that? Why didn't I learn that life can be good and should feel good? And, you know, like, and why didn't I teach my kid that? And, you know, and so I'm trying. She's 18. She still lives with me. Um, she's watching me, but you know, we'll we'll see. Um, but yeah, it's just, and so that's part of my passion is just getting it out there to people that life is supposed to feel good. You're supposed to, you know, um, and I I believe in God, um, universe, you know, I'm Christian, but I also love Judaism. I'm so interested. The way Kathy talks about Kabbalah, and just I've done some, it's just such a beautiful religion and such a beautiful. Um, I love the way they talk about how you're a vessel. And um, you know, they say God, um, and you could interchange that with the universe or higher power is working through you. You're almost just like a vessel, and the more you grow, the more you can shine, and the more you can help other people and yourself, you know, you get to have a good life too. And it's not like you're being um take, you know, you don't really take the credit for it. It's not like I'm this great person, it's just I am growing my vessel so I can shine brighter on other people. Um I don't know, you're just saying that um about how good it can be. It's like, yeah, let's let people know, you know, yeah, let's let's let them know how good it can be. And um and also one of um the S for the glimpse method is surrendering. And I think you kind of touched a little bit on that, like um you sort of have, you know, how good can it be? And then you just kind of have to surrender a little bit to like go universe. And and the thing that's so inspiring and exciting to me is talking about you know, you can set your intention, you can be inspired, you can manifest, you can have, you know, these great plans and desires, and then you surrender, and it's like God, the universe will show you how good it can be, where you couldn't even imagine, like ways that ways that you know things happen, and I think we can all look back at our life and you know, jobs that I didn't get, um, maybe things that seemed so disappointing, like tears on the floor crying, and then a couple weeks later, something beautiful opens up, and it's like, oh my gosh, I'm a little embarrassed. Like I was on the floor crying about this, and now something's so much better. So yeah, yeah, I really love that that you wake up that way every morning, and that's that's really um I might do that too.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Um, yeah, yeah. Take take that and and uh and anyone listening, just give that a try for a week and just see how it feels or how it might just shift shift your intention for the day.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

I I absolutely love listening to Kathy Heller. I think uh she's one of those people who when she shares her wisdom, it's not just the words that she shares, but she really holds that energetic resonance that you can feel. And and she talks about um, you know, all of this stuff as well. And just piggybacking on what you were saying about the beauty of hearing her talk about uh her spiritual practices, I love how she always says, and she's she quotes her her rabbi, rabbi Aaron, and she says, You're someone, you're some of the one, or you're a master.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

Masterpiece. Yeah, piece of the master.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Yeah, yeah, you're a piece of the master. And um and I just think that's that's so beautiful because oftentimes, and and especially I think when we're we're facilitators and healers, and or we're we're guiding people in their own healing process, and there's a part of us that always wants to, or at least I've experienced this where I don't like to take credit for the transformations or the healings or the things that take place because it really has nothing to do with me and everything to do with that person going on their own experience, and I just happen to hold the space and provide a little guidance in that. Um and it can be almost a little bit, I don't know, self-limiting. You know, you can kind of there's a fine line to walk there where where it's good to be humble and it's also good to remember that each of us is someone because we're some of the one. And we all have an impact in this world. And even if we're only sharing and impacting one person, that person's life would never be the same without you. And that's important to remember too.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

Yeah. I mean, even just impacting one person's life in a lifetime in a positive way would be such a gift. So yeah. Um, so I have a question about you touched on it a little bit um about grounding, they call it earthing. Have you um I saw that there is like I was just doing some research on it. There is like a certification program that you can get in earthing. But um, I was just curious about that. I mean, the you know, it's like bare feet on the ground or like touching a tree, or you know, um, do you differentiate the two or do you purposely do earthing or um yeah, I think um, I mean, for me, yes, I I definitely I don't think of it as that term, you know, I'm gonna go earthing.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Um I just think of it as wanting to put my feet on the earth or sitting. I think the concept is as much physical skin to earth contact as you can have, the more effects you'll feel from the grounding or the earthing experience. Uh, because our shoes, our shoes are often made of rubber, so that's going to be a little bit of a barrier to that energy reaching your physical body, in case anyone's wondering why do you take your shoes off? It's so that we can actually have that physical contact. And it's something that has been done for centuries, people intentionally communing with the earth to gain that energetic resonance. So it's, and I think that's maybe that's why it fascinates me so much, is I'm really fascinated by the practices that have been around for generations and centuries. And then now the science is starting to back what we've always known, which is bringing it more out of the woo-woo space, which um it's kind of silly that it's even in the woo-woo space because we've done it forever, but it's bringing it out of that and back into mainstream um in different ways with different terms like earthing. And what the science is showing is that the earth has a measurable field, magnetic field that emanates, which we've known that for a long time. But coupling that with the fact that we can now measure our own energetic resonance and the energy that's emitted from our body, and we can even measure the energy that's emitted from the brain different from the heart, which is also super cool.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

Yeah. And we're starting to read a little about that. That's very interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Yeah. Yeah. The Heart Math in the Heart Math Institute is a great resource if um if anyone listening is interested in finding out more about that energetic resonance and the research they've done measuring the um heart and that resonance. But knowing that, that we have what we can measure from the earth, we have what we can measure from the human body, when you bring those two together, the earth has a much stronger resonance. And as we bring our body in contact with the earth, what we can see and imagine as we're doing this practice is that our energetic field starts to become in alignment with the resonance of the earth. So, kind of like um the way I heard this explained once, I can't remember where. If you go into a music shop and say they have guitars that are hanging up, and you go and strike one note, you go and strike the D note, whatever that is. I don't play guitar, so I might be saying that wrong, but you strike one of those chords, and the effect of striking that one chord will affect the chord of the others. And the same is true with the resonance of the earth and the people. When we bring our energetic resonance in contact with the resonance of the earth, it's going to affect it. Yeah, makes sense. And it affects it whether or not we have physical contact or not. But when we actually have the physical contact, it just has a less barrier to us so we can feel it more and we can calibrate faster. And when we then calibrate with the earth energy, it calms whatever is going on with our own energetic field. And when our own energetic field is in dysregulation, we can co-nourish ourselves by coming into regulation by being next to a resonance that is grounding and calming, like the earth. But that also can be the case with being in space with a facilitator or a spaceholder. And I think that's something that is underestimated in facilitation, just how powerful our own resonance has on the experience of our breathers or our participants, is that it's not it's not just about what we say or the music we play or the breath pattern we pick, it's about our own energetic resonance and what we bring to that, either intentionally or naturally, because we're all gonna have a natural, we call it doorways in at pause, right? Our energetic maps. I'm naturally more grounding. So when people share space with me, if I don't intentionally shift my energy into something different, the reflection will always be you had you feel so grounding.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

Your voice feels so funny that you say that because when I was like, Oh, I want to do, I want to have a guest for each part pillar of Glimpse. And I was grounding, I was thinking of grounding, I'm like, Renee, like it just came to me like Yeah, yeah. So that's just my energetic map.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

And someone else, um, like I haven't ever been in in your space, but just in being in your energy, I would I would make an educated guess that you have a very flowy, yeah, heart-centered energy. And so my my attunement to you is that there's this very nurturing quality and this very with that heart flow energy, it's this energy of I'm safe to be seen, I'm not gonna be judged, it's that nurturing, mothering. Oh, I can I can let it all go.

SPEAKER_02 35:02

Yeah. And I feel like that comes with my age too, a little like just experience and stuff, but yeah, yeah. I've always been very nurturing and motherly, even before I was a mother.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

But yeah, and then we look at someone like Sam, the founder of Pause, she's very fiery, yeah. And so she attracts a different tribe that's wanting to ignite that fire within themselves, who feels in her something that might be dormant within them. And so each of us with these different default energetic qualities is going to attract the people who are drawn to those that what wants to be awakened within them, which I think is just so cool. And now I feel like we're a little on a tangent and I can't remember what how we started this part, but well, yeah, I was just yeah, maybe just asking you about earthing, and then we started talking about all that.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

Um, just the different yeah, it doesn't really matter.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

All the the resonance matters within the facilitation of our own um energetic resonance. So when we when we default to one or the other, it's it's just nice to know that about yourself, especially if you're a facilitator. Like, what is that natural tendency and how do people feel just given my own energy? And then we can play with once we're familiar and comfortable with that and really embodying that uniqueness of our default, then we can play with, okay, well, what if I want a theme that's fiery? How do I access that fire within me so that I can speak from that place and facilitate from that place?

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Which is how would you do that? Would you with music or with something that maybe some visualization or some sort of like so you're grounded, you're more grounded naturally. How would you get to your you know, fire?

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Yeah. So for me, I would to access it personally, I would bring in movement for sure. Okay. Um, I would pick a breath pattern that's going to be a little bit faster, a little bit more heat generating, because as we generate our own physiological heat, we're also stimulating that inner fire. Um, and then once I had some heat built, had some energy, and I might bring in some energizing music for this, and once I could kind of embody and feel where that fire live in my body, then I would make a mental note of, and for me, it's often like my solar plexus or my um sacral area. So once I could feel that warmth and that fire and that energy of uh motivation, vitality, creativity, then I would make that mental note, okay, this is where my fire lives. This is how I accessed it. And then when I go to facilitate, I would do like a shortened version of that. So it might take me, especially if fire is dormant in you, it could take multiple times to access it, to go through that practice. A lot of us have uh fire that's been suppressed within us. So be patient if you're awakening this for the first time. But as you go through the practices that you find ignites the fire, you slowly start to learn, okay, this is where my fire lives, this is how I accessed it, this is where my fire lives, this is where I accessed it. Then when we go into session, we know exactly where it lives and exactly how to access it. So we can do a shortened version, you know, maybe it's just two minutes of building heat and breathing and connecting to it. And then when we go into the session, that's where we speak from.

unknown 39:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

So we might have to.

SPEAKER_02 39:13

Clarify for everybody too. So we're talking about how what do we what do we call it in the four um, you know, when we talk about fire, um the energetic maps is what we call energetic maps, okay. So there's earth, which is grounding, ember, which is fire, water, which is flow, right? And then air, which is spaciousness, right? So those are the four, that's kind of what we're talking about when we talk about fire grounding and all that. Just wanted to clarify that.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

But yeah, and it's probably worth clarifying too when we talk about speaking from those different places, which probably sounds maybe a little odd to some people, it's this concept of in our day-to-day beta phase, beta state of the mind, we're often operating from the structured mind. We're up here, our energy is up here, and the exchange is here. But when we start to embody more and we can bring our awareness more into the access of our wisdom within us, and I feel like it's worth noting that we have the same neurons that we have in the mind, we also have in the heart, and we also have in our gut. That's why you often hear uh the gut referred to as your second brain or the heart as a second or third brain. We literally have those same neurons, and those neurons can hold memories and emotions and emit their own field. So when we think about speaking from, we default to speaking from the brain, but we really can shift our awareness to speak from the heart or to speak from the gut or to speak from anywhere that we have access to energy in the body. So, one thing I always tell new facilitators who maybe have a cheat sheet of the different cues that they want to say, or they're trying to remember the theme or the intention, it's totally okay to have those notes, but don't read it and say it out loud as you're reading it, because then it'll come from the mind. Instead, read it from the mind and then decide where you're going to bring your awareness and speak it from that place.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:55

Because if you decide to bring your awareness all the way down into your root where your grounding energy center is, it's going to feel different than if you say it from the mind.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

And it's all in even in just even like I'll share a little example. So I'm going to bring my awareness up to my mind, up to my busyness. And even if if I bring it up to the busyness and I say something like, okay, now imagine that you're bringing all of your awareness into the mind and you're going into the feet and you're sending your roots into the ground, and just feel how the ground feels as you draw that energy up. So that's kind of speaking for my mind. And then if I consciously bring my awareness down into my root, and this is easier access to me, because that's my default. And then I say those same things again, and I say, imagine that you're bringing all of your awareness into your body and you can feel your feet. And as you feel your feet, you can feel the roots growing. And as you draw in that first breath, you can feel the energy drawing up from your roots into the body.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

Yeah. And it feels different.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

Yeah. It might not have been in the exact same words because I didn't plan that, but almost the same words, but different energy. Yeah. And it's just because I brought my my awareness from the mind into the body.

SPEAKER_02 43:37

Right. Yeah, that can be a good tip too for just communicating with people. Yeah. Like you know you have to have a hard to talk or something, you know. Maybe try to bring it from your heart, you know, instead of from your head or you know. Whatever. Um One other thing that you mentioned while back, and I just wanted you to clarify on it because I think it's also something that I feel like should be taught in school to girls. But you said cyclical living. So are you talking about your menstrual cycle? Or is that what you call it? Yeah. And I think it's so crazy that I'm just learning about that at 50. You know, I mean, I'm still unfortunately very regular, but um I downloaded an app which I love called Stardust. Um, and yeah, it's just really interesting that we don't honor that piece in women. And um I think it's so important and I think it gives us more information and helps us to be a little kinder to ourselves and and yeah, so um I don't know if you would want to expand on anything in that or relate that to maybe grounding or you know, how that kind of helps you navigate through your life.

SPEAKER_00 45:11

Yeah, um it's something that I've been practicing for a couple years now, and I thought the same thing when I started learning about it. I was like, why is this not standard part of our education? I think it should be standard for everyone because it's how helpful would it be if both genders knew the energy cycles of each gender so that we can have more grace for each other in different situations. But at the very least, I think all women should be aware of the fact that your energy is not going to be the same in every cycle. And how much do we beat ourselves up for being tired or having certain phases of our cycle where we can't produce and be as productive as the other ones? And instead of honoring that, we drink more coffee and we tell ourselves that we're slacking or to not be lazy or to just do it. Like, why am I so tired? I just need to do it, and we override our innate wisdom of the body that's telling us to speed up or slow down.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

And when you think about the the visual of driving a car just came to me. And when we're in phases that are calling us to slow down, and we're just sitting there giving it more gas, giving it more gas, we're potentially putting our vessel at risk for breaking down.

SPEAKER_02 46:57

Yeah. It's just like white knuckling it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

Yeah, exactly. And when I started giving myself some grace for the different phases, and actually then because I was giving myself grace, started structuring my schedule around this, it felt like a total game changer for me. And I know that you know, everyone's gonna have different levels of flexibility in in how they can potentially make little adjustments, but even as simple as I know that in my luteal phase, I'm not as social. I'm a by nature, I'm an introverted person. And during that week, I am very introverted. I I want to be more in my cocoon, I need to rest more. And so rather than trying to force myself into social situations that my nervous system doesn't feel like it has the capacity for, I just honor the fact that I'm gonna clear my schedule of social stuff. I may still need to work, I may still need to follow through with some of my obligations with calls or things like that. And those are the things that I'll reserve my energy for. But the things that are optional, like girls night or going to a networking event, I'm probably gonna opt out of that and I'm going to purposefully look at, okay, let me see where I can plug this in during my follicular or ovulation phase. That's the spring and summer of our cycle, and that's the cycles where we have the most energy, we're more primed to receive, we're more generally social and creative. Um, and so just looking at having an app like Stardust or uh Lively, there's so many different apps, but just having that app that allows you to sit look at okay, when is my luteal, follicular, ovulation, menstrual, what are those weeks? And then just start noticing how do I feel during this week? It doesn't have to be, you know, this big journal prompt that you go through, you know, every day or every week, but just okay, did I what did I dread during that week during in my schedule? When I look at the schedule at the beginning of the week, what am I excited about and what am I dreading?

SPEAKER_02 49:33

And why I'm that's a good framework.

SPEAKER_00 49:35

Am I dreading it because I'm tired, or is there something else going on? And if it's just energetic, like I just don't have the energy for this. Well, can you move it to a week where you know you will have energy? Yeah, and it just makes such a big difference. And then also one thing I noticed too is, and this for me is in my luteal, is that's the phase where I'll often have self-doubt come in, where my inner criticizer comes online, uh, when I might have the the urge to be like, I'm gonna burn it all down and start over. Right. I'm gonna burn it all down and I'm gonna start over for whatever reason, you know. Right. And then a couple days later, I'm like, okay, calm down, Renee. We don't need to start all over. Right. We just need to address the things that are really are the pain points or the things that don't feel aligned. And so the luteal phase can by kind of be like the red flag phase where you can't ignore what the body's trying to tell you is out of alignment. And then you go into menstrual, and that's where you get to extract the wisdom from the red flags that were just raised in the body. Okay, let me actually reflect, let me slow down. What is it that actually feels out of alignment? Because I don't need to burn the whole thing down. So let me pinpoint those things, and then you move into follicular and ovulation, and that's when you get to take action on the wisdom that just came out of your inner work. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:09

Yeah, it's so interesting and so um, I don't know the word, just comforting to know that we are not crazy. And I know it's like this funny thing, oh, you know, PMS and men like to say, oh, it's that time of month, or you know.

SPEAKER_00 51:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:29

Um I mean, not my man. He would not say that, but um I see it in in TV shows and stuff and it just annoys me.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

But yeah, because it's just a lack of education around what's actually happening in the body. This isn't just um the way it's perceived sometimes or put out there in a joking way makes it seem like it's a choice when really it's a physiological and hormonal change that we have zero choice or control over.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

Right.

SPEAKER_00 52:04

Otherwise, we'd be in spring and summer all the time, right?

SPEAKER_02 52:08

Right. So yeah, and also the fact that we're bleeding, you know, that's really unpleasant. I'm like that whole thing. I mean, that doesn't even have to do with the the stuff that's going on in our minds and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 52:25

Um well, um and just one more note on that piece, just to plug um another uh resource. One another pause student um who just so happens to have the same name, Renee. I believe it's Renee Fleck, she wrote a book on um aligning your cycle with your business.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

Oh cool.

SPEAKER_00 52:47

She goes more in depth into um how like what different tasks might align with the different phases if you want to try and uh structure your day-to-day or your uh monthly planning around your cycle. That's a great resource to that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 53:10

Um, I know you could go way into this too, because I um there's another book I can't think of the woman. She's a doctor, um, and she wrote I think it's like eat like a girl or something like that. Oh, I think I've heard of that. Yeah, yeah. I have that book, it's really interesting. Um it's about fasting and intermittent fasting and um just what kinds of foods to eat during which phases. Um I really liked it and I was doing it, and I think I went into like a 24-hour fast a little too soon, and I haven't gone back. Like I think I made it like 20 hours and it and then I haven't gone back um to doing the fasting from that book. But I may pick it up again and just gradually, she does recommend gradually going into these fasts, and I think I just did it a little too quickly, but yeah, that's a great note.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

Um, because fasting for men is different than fasting for women, it affects our bodies different and um it is more beneficial for us in dirt during certain phases, and other phases you have to be a little more gentle. So if you're someone who is fasting, or if you're a woman who's fasting, that would be a great resource to look into just to make sure that you're not overtaxing your body during certain phases that might call for a little more gentleness, which I'm sure she goes into in that book.

SPEAKER_02 54:41

Yeah, it's a really it's a good read. Um well, um, as we wrap up here, I'm so what fun conversations. I want to keep going. Um, I do have a dental appointment though.

SPEAKER_00 54:53

Well, this has been great. It just flew by, which is always a sign of a great conversation.

SPEAKER_02 54:59

Yes, and I would love to have you back sometime. Um uh so as we end, and I think you did already give us some really good advice, um, tons of it, but um since the podcast is the glimpse method, life is meant to feel good. What would you say, or what would your advice be to our listeners? On um, you know, it can be an example of something you do when you did say you wake up and and your first thought is intentional and it's how good can it be? Is that yeah, show me how good it's a great, I'm gonna take that one. But um, yeah, just any other advice on, you know, making that switch and maybe people that are brand new to all of this thinking, you know, maybe a baby step or something that you some wisdom that you want to share would be great.

SPEAKER_00 55:57

Yeah. There's a couple things a couple things coming forward. Um I think that a lot of us on the healing journey, and especially for those that have started to transition away from maybe mindset and talk therapy more towards the somatic movement and processing through the body, and maybe some combination of both, there's a point that I don't think it's talked about enough where you're so confronted with what's been dormant in the body and the patterns of thinking that have been subconscious. That once you peel the curtain back and are aware of all of that, it's almost like you wish you could close that curtain and go back to ignorance is bliss.

SPEAKER_01 56:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:59

But you can't you can't unsee it. Once you notice your patterns, you're always going to notice your patterns. Once you've peeled back the container and you know where things are being stored in the body, uh, it can feel a little bit maddening for a short time. And that's when we really need to bring in the tools to move the energy, transmute the energy, release the energy, cultivate new energy because we can we need the awareness and we need to be able to have the capacity to feel it. But once we've become aware and we've built the capacity to feel it, we also then need to transmute it, release it, and cultivate something new. And I think sometimes we get stuck in the awareness and the feeling, and then we're just constantly revisiting the same things and feeling them and wondering why don't I feel better? And it's because we're sometimes just feeling it can release it. That is very true. Other times there needs to be more. There needs to be the breath, there needs to be the movement, there needs to be the release. So just knowing for anyone that's listening, if you're in that point where you're feeling just, ah, I don't, what do I do now? I'm tired of feeling this, or I'm tired of revisiting this, start to move. Whether it's rocking, shaking, jumping up and down, uh, the breath of joy, working out, walking in nature, start to move that energy in any way that the body has access to release. If you can be held by someone in that process, amazing. But there's so many resources that you can do this on your own as well. And then also remembering that duality is a game changer. And I feel like one of the biggest things that has helped me as I've learned and grown in this healing journey over the last few years is that we can feel the ick and the happiness at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 59:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

And even when we notice that things are out of alignment, or we're noticing something that's been stored in the body, or we're just dysregulated by something that's very current and real in our lifey life, we can also bring ourselves back to gratitude and joy and happiness and allow ourselves to take refuge in that in a way that isn't bypassing the other stuff that's real. But we can toggle and we can decide where we're gonna place our energy and attention. And that becomes so helpful because when and this is another quote that I actually just re-heard from Kathy Heller on a podcast, um is that pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional. Pain is just part of the human experience, but staying in the pain, circling the drain of pain, that's the suffering that's optional. And when we have the tools to release, transmute, or uh be with the duality of something else and allow ourselves to change our state, that's when we take the wheel back on the human experience and on our state and on our energy. And it can be a game changer for sure. Yeah, that's beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:55

Thank you. So, where can people find you? I highly recommend her um as a breath work facilitator. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:06

Yeah, the easiest place is Instagram, Renee Don Boatman on Instagram. Uh that's where I post anything about what I'm doing. Um, I'm increasing my capacity for social media at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:25

Uh I kind of want to see there.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:27

Yeah, it's not been my forte. Um, and I've been uh fortunate enough to have different collaborations with different companies, and I just haven't put a whole lot into it. So I'm I'm growing in my capacity there. And what you'll see coming out soon is I'm gonna be starting a school group for women, practitioners, and healers, and facilitators who are wanting to dive into emotional regulation, energetic management, how to untangle emotion, release uh energy, cultivate energy, all that good stuff. So I'll be starting a school group soon. Is that like a cohort?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

Like uh so it's oh school, S-K-O-O-L.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:16

Okay. Yes. So kind of like kind of like Facebook groups, but it's in its own place. It has its own app. Um, it's just a little, you can have courses in there. Yeah, I'm in a kind of debating between Facebook group and school group. But what I love about school is you can kind of, it's almost like a cohort and you can have a classroom in there. So I'm going to have, I have a bunch of different meditations that I've recorded over the years. I'm gonna uh kind of have a little library of resources there, and then I'm just gonna offer workshops, free breathwork uh sessions a couple times a month, and create a community where we can all have these conversations more regularly around all things energy. So that's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:11

Um excited. I'm in um the expansion room. Expansion room. Oh, with uh just her list. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Love her. Yeah. Um, anyway, well, that's exciting. I'll be looking for that when it comes out. Yeah, yeah, that's so cool. Um, well, thank you so much, Renee, for your time. And um, yeah, you just radiate. I love seeing you. Um, and I'm excited for all what uh everything you have planned. And I'll let you know when I put this out.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:46

Okay, awesome. Thanks, Megan. This has been such a joy.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:50

Thank you.