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Criminal Masterminds Pt. 2

• JJ Jorgenson, Tonio • Season 1 • Episode 4

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This episode we welcome back Joseph Carter for the thrilling conclusion of his cliffhanger story from part 1, as well as a few other stories and JJ presents her topic about a heist in London. Hilarity ensues as usual!

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All right, listen up and no one gets hurt.

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This is a podcast that focuses on crimes and scams where no one physically is harmed. This is a podcast for information and entertainment purposes only. Nothing in this podcast should be taken as legal advice.

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So listen up and no one gets hurt.

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You already said that.

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Alright. Well, don't forget to like and subscribe. And in the comments, tell us which scam you'd like us to cover next.

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Thank you.

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I got fired for stealing meat from a grocery store. Really? Yeah, I worked at the grocery store.

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What was the cut that you stole?

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Here's a prime it was prime. Ribby's world. Nah, look, no, check it out. This is what happened, right? There's a bunch of meat that I knew was mispriced. It was way wrong because the scale was fucked up, right? But I knew that. But it wasn't that I did it, you know what I'm saying? Like, but I knew it was. So after work, shit, I went to where I knew that meat was at. Grab my prom. I'm like, hell, I'm gonna have a fire barbecue this weekend, right? Then get all that. Just so happens, uh, I'm not gonna say the name of the grocery stores, but it's a local grocery store out there, and it's family-owned, and it rhymes with houses, right? And uh so the grandson of the owners, like, he is there, he's the manager, like, and uh so he comes and we just sitting there chit-chatting as I'm shopping, I'm like, man, what the fuck? Like, I didn't want him bothering me even before I got the meat, you know what I'm saying? But he's walking and talking with me. This dude's lame as shit. He was just so aggravating. But anyway, as we're talking, I'm just like, fuck it. I'm just playing it off. So as we uh talking, I'm grabbing the meat, putting it in the bath, da da da. You know what I'm saying? As we're talking, like he gets to look and he's just what the fuck? He grabs a meat and he's like, $3. He's like, hell no. He's like, and it's a rib I stay. Man, he starts looking through my shit. I'm like, I'm like, oh shit. I'm like, yeah, it's a good deal. I'm trying, man. Well, I tried to play that shit off, you know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, uh, I did it, you know what I'm saying?

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But it's so interesting because it's like you were in there as a customer and you're and you're taking the items that were already marked.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I could have like technically I could have did that, right? Oh, you're not allowed to stick your hands in it, you're not a da da da da, you know what I'm saying? He broke all them laws and shit, right? I didn't get criminally punished for that. I definitely got fired though. You know what I'm saying? But when I got fired, my story was I didn't know. I just saw the meat there, and it was a good price. I'm like, shit, I I thought the same thing as you, like, wow, this is low. Boom. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how I played it off. But uh, but that's a story of my life, like, for a long time, like in terms of being a criminal, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was a thief, uh, graduated into other crimes, you know what I'm saying? And escalated. Escalated for sure. And uh, but eventually I ended up like changing my life, and you know, I found the job to end up becoming a career and all that shit, and shit. Now I live in California, you know what I'm saying.

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Now the only crime is you steal your wife's heart.

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Um I don't know, man. We're on our way to our third separation. What? Oh yeah, I stole a heart, all right. I'm just playing. I mean, we kind of are, but we're working it out though. Yeah we're good. But uh, I'm just man, I'm I'm just not playing. No, we're good though. We're working through it. Dang uh that was good. Yeah, that's funny. I was uh once upon a once upon a time I did steal it, I guess. I don't shit. I gave it back. I'm like, yeah, have this shit. Nah, but I do have some.

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Is Tony O and kardok arrest or is he okay?

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Man, that's crazy.

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I shouldn't even be laughing because that's fucked up, but I guess.

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I love her though. I do. And I know she loves me.

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It feels like you're like crawling out of the hall.

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Yeah. So speaking of crime, marriage, understand. Nah, but once upon a time, but still, I was, like I said, I thought I was genius. I was stupid, bro. I remember one time I was uh I was trying to steal a car, right? But it was me.

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Ooh, that's that's serious.

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That's what I used to do. So it started, so the first my life of crime started when I was a kid, right? I was probably in like, I don't know, second grade, third grade. I stole a G.I. Joe from uh Walgreens or whatever, right? And the way I did it was because my mom would never buy me nothing.

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Did you army crawl out of there?

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Um not quite. It was it was genius when I look back. So what I did was, uh, because I had asked many a times, would she buy me this? She was like, no. I'm like, God damn it, man. And uh so there's one particular time I grabbed a toy and uh I pretend like I had to go use the bathroom. I go in the bathroom, I do the whoop-de-woo, get the toy out, throw the stuff away in the trash, and I come out of the bathroom. My mama's all for finder's keepers. Not stealing. Finder's keepers is cool. So I say, hey mom, I found this in the bathroom. Can I have it? She was like, Yeah. I was like, oh, okay. I see.

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I can't believe she wasn't suspicious at all. It's like, oh, yeah, the thing that you just asked for.

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See, that's the thing. I think she knew, but I think that's that's what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Like, that's the life I was in.

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So it was a conspiracy.

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So it's like, hmm. Allegedly. Because, man, we used to do, I don't know if this is a crime. Technically, what I'm about to say ain't a crime. Mama, I love you. And this was one that also was a genius hustle.

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I think the statute has run, so you're you're clear.

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We used to do this little food stamp hustle, right? Because the food stamps used to come in the paper books, right? And if you take the $1 ones, and if you bought something that cost less than a dollar, they'll give you the change back in coins.

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Right?

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Whereas if you use the $5 and it was less than a dollar, you're gonna get four or three one dollar food stamps, whatever, right? So my mama would send me and my brother to Buku different registers, right? And she would do it too, she would mainly just send us. But then we'll go go to one register, buy a 25 cent pack of gum, get 75 cents back in change, go to another, do the same thing, and just keep doing it, you know what I'm saying? Until we had fucking like $20 in change.

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And then we'll essentially money laundering with fucking changes.

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And then we'll go buy fast food and then go to the movies or some shit, right? That was our little hustle, man.

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And uh working the system. Yeah, that's what I think it's called.

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Create beating, thinking we're beating the system. That sounds illegal, but it's probably not. We think we're like so genius. Yeah, it's not. I don't think it is. I don't think it is either. It's just beating the system. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm all for it beating the system. It gave us food, whatever, right? But anyway, so I stole this G.I. Joe, and then I realized like, all right, I I think I know what I want to be. You know what I'm saying? G. Nah, but I but see, I always envisioned myself more of a uh like uh American. Everything I did was be like a heist, you know what I'm saying? Even though I'm just stealing clothes and bullshit toys and shit from the store.

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So you steal G.I. Joe, you have two roads to go.

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It was Snake Eyes, too, by the way. Snake Eyes.

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You could either you could either go and be an American hero or you could be a criminal mastermind. You chose criminal mastermind.

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Kinda. And I did go to the army eventually. Oh, you did? That's something. I was a criminal in there too. I was getting ready to ask what you're talking about. Thank you for your service. I wasn't stealing anything, I was selling stuff. Thank you for your service. Yeah, for sure. I kept a lot of soldiers like calm with weed, yeah. For real. Yeah, and other things.

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That's a service in and of itself, to be honest.

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Yeah, that's the thing, bro. Like, and all and so all the shit I done did too, like, most of it revolved around theft first, right? And I'm getting uh the first time I ever got caught, I was stealing shoes from a shoe carnival. Right? I don't know if you know what shoe carnival is, it's a shoe store. And uh I'm stealing shoes from there. I had already did it before and got away with it, right? So I'm back. And uh at this point I'm in like seventh grade. Now I'm a career thief already, seventh grade. And like mastermind, you know what I'm saying? And and then on this particular occasion I have my buddy with me. We used to go steal stuff together, right? And he's with me. This motherfucker got me caught, man. Because I'm putting the shoes in and I'm doing the same thing. I'm I got two pairs of the same shoes, so if they do, if they do see me at a glance, anything, they see me with this pair, they don't you know what I'm saying? And of all things, I'm still in cleats for baseball. Like it's baseball season.

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And uh was it so you could play baseball?

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Yeah, yeah, so I could have them for you know to play. And uh man, my friend, he keeps making all this noise. Hey, he's coming, he's coming. I'm like, god damn.

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And uh so instead of giving you the signs, like Yeah, he's doing very audible.

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Well, the the security people in there, Lost Prevention, they dress in regular clothes, and I didn't know this guy was Lost Prevention. It's just like had to be like six foot eight, big ass black guy, right? Damn uh, and he bumps into me kind of. I was like, oh, excuse me. He's like, uh-huh, I got you. Bro, this dude picks me up from the front of my pants, just picks me up in the air and carries me to the back. My friend takes off. Oh, hell no.

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You were in seventh grade though? Yeah. Okay, I was like, as a grown-ass man, I cannot accept that. Oh, yeah, nah.

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So I couldn't accept it then. I'm like, bro, I play football. Like, what do you like underhand? I get bitches, man. What are you doing to me? Like, what the hell?

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So he so he called you out. Your friend was safe at the play?

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Yeah. I see what you did there. Nah, it's your old way, guys. Hey, facts. Hey, he brought me to the back and he's got me in his chair, right? I'm giving him all fake information, fake name, fake address, all this shit. Cuz I'm definitely mastermind. I'm definitely gonna run. I'm totally gonna run. Like, soon as soon as that door opens again, I'm out of here.

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But you're seven great. Do you even have an ID? I mean, yeah.

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No, I don't have an ID, but I'm just lying about my name and shit, bro. And so I'm sitting in a chair, like right here, and he's sitting in the chair like like right here, you know what I'm saying, at a desk. And and fucking boom, boom, boom, finally the door opened. Bam, I go to check up. Bro, this dude did not even stop writing, bro. He stuck out one arm, caught me, and body slammed me on the ground. And then finished writing his sentence, then got up and handcuffed me to the chair, you know what I'm saying? And then I'm like, all right, look, that wasn't my name. My name is, you know, like I live at this age, uh man, oh man.

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And uh He's probably like an all-American for LSEO football.

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Oh, something. Yeah, just so like Yeah, he might be all world. Like, this dude was huge, you know what I'm saying? So that was my first time getting caught, and I I ended up getting probation in community service, had the weed eater graveyard, like it's massive. I had to do the whole thing with just a weed eater, like it's insane. Damn. Uh then had to go to these damn probation classes and shit. But uh, but like my crimes would kind of like elevate, you know what I'm saying? It progressed into stealing cars, and uh, so we'll get a car. I only knew how to steal old school cars.

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Were you able to put them down your pants? I feel like that's where not the cars.

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Not the cars.

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Uh, fucking stupid. Yeah.

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Well, everything was putting it on. Now it's like cars are pretty hard to put on.

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Well, when you shoplifting, like when you're stealing stuff out of stores, yeah. You're bruh. I used to get jinkos, like just so I could steal shit. You know what I'm saying? Because jinkos were so baggy, bruh. And I'd wear these socks that came up to here.

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It was also the 90s, I'm thinking.

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Yeah, but I mean, it's in, but I didn't really necessarily like Jinkos, you know, like uh, but I wear them shits, bruh, and get long socks, bruh. Like, I remember one year at school, bruh, like all my bitches, I had I stole all their gifts, bruh. I stole, and I got gifts for all my partners too. I got basketball cars and football cars, bruh. Like, cause I went into Walmart one day and just loaded up on, it was like, I don't even know what holiday it was, but I just got everybody gifts, bruh.

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Groundhog's Day.

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I felt like Robin Hood a little bit.

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I was getting ready to say that you you were essentially Robin Hood.

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Kind of, I felt like that. In my head, that's kind of how I was. And in my head also, the whole time I felt like this is what I have to do because in order for me to sometimes eat, I'd have to steal. You know what I'm saying? And um, and then, but then other times, like, you know, I'm like, bruh, this is how, this is the only way I could really get money, especially before I was old enough to get a job. But I still worked, like, I still, bro, I've been I did all kinds of shit. I I started cutting grass, 10 years old. Everybody in the neighborhood, I cut their grass for money. I'll pick pecans, like uh pecan pic hands, pecans, damn, uh, and sell bags of them for money. Like, so I always like had a hustle, it just wasn't enough. So it's like, damn, then at a certain age, you want to fit in, you want to look cool and dress nice and have nice shoes and shit. And my mama, my grandparents, nobody could afford it. And even if they could, they still wouldn't have bought because they didn't give a fuck about none of that shit, you know. Excuse my language, dang. They didn't care about it.

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I think we're about seven fucks in, and now he's apologizing.

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They didn't care about any of those things. And uh and so I just started stealing to provide that for myself, you know, and it just Were they suspicious at all though? Like the fact that you're Nah, they had no clue until I would get caught. And then when I would get caught, because I'm a juvie, I have to go through my mama, my parents to bring me to court and shit like that. Uh so yeah, but they don't know about most of the shit I did, you know what I'm saying? Like, even back then. But I've been out the house like on my own since I was like 14 years old, you know what I'm saying? And um just figuring it out, right? Playing it by ear. That's also why I did so much crimes, because that's kind of how I was getting by and living and paying rent and all this shit, eating. And after a while, though, once I started having kids, which was young, I still was doing a lot of crimes, which I'm not proud of, right? And uh and the crimes were getting bigger at this point, you know, and uh I don't even know if we could talk about them on the show, you know what I'm saying?

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Statute probably is run as well.

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They're just violent crimes, you know. Well that doesn't fit the the mold of this podcast, so but it wasn't violent in a sense like I'm a serial killing or something like that, but it but it involved the other things, the other crimes that I was involved in led to beefing with people, you know what I'm saying? And uh and so it got to that point where I finally had to like, yo, what the what the fuck am I gonna do? You know what I'm saying? And at this point I got three kids, you know, and and at this one crossroads I'm at, you know, and I'm doing some stuff to get some money, somebody jacked me, and now it's like alright, and this has happened before, and I handled my business, you know, and uh, but at this point it was different. I'm like, dang. That's when I like woke up, like, because my only options were I gotta go get him. And if I go get him, you know, nine times out of ten I wasn't gonna get away with it, you know what I'm saying? Because of, you know, a bunch of circumstances. So it was either do it or not. And then I realized now like, yo, I got I can't do this no more. You know what I'm saying? Like, uh and so that's when I chat, bro, I went through like literally, like the next day, like I had a revelation, bro. Like and then the next day I went to attempt service, got a job, started working all these shitty ass jobs, right? And while they were working on getting me a permanent one, I'm like, I'm doing shitty jobs, right? And then finally, uh I got into what I do now, you know what I'm saying? But I was just a cable man at first, like at your house, but now you know I work on the the main network and all that shit. And uh but it started there. And and even when I started that, I'd have one foot out and one foot in because I was still participating in some things, you know, trying to get money. And um but but that but that was also around that like that same time, like when that when that happened with that dude, I still had a bunch of stuff left I had to get rid of, right? Once I got rid of the the rest of the stuff I had, I was done, you know. And uh and it's been a shitty time ever since because god damn, is it hard to do the right thing, right? For sure.

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Especially fucking how do you guys have it?

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Especially when the money's not coming in. You're like, God dang, I'm doing all this right stuff, and it seems like you know, people shit on you more when you do the right thing or take advantage of you or all these things, you know. So it's it's been tough, man.

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It's flowing in.

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I still struggle with it sometimes because I I look at certain things, it's like, damn, bro, I'm sitting here doing all this stuff. Y'all y'all probably don't know this. Friday, if y'all saw my story, I was in court on Friday.

SPEAKER_03

I did see that. How'd that go?

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Got my case dismissed. Hell yeah. Love to hear it. I was on pre-child diversion, so back in this time in 2025, uh I I I got out, I I did four flat on a gun charge, right? And that shit was the hardest four days of my life, honestly. Yeah, no, but but seriously, man, I did. I was in there Monday through Thursday, goddamn.

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So it was just jail though, right? Nah, it was jail. Did you get loaf? Did you get served loaf?

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I didn't. Nah, I was listening to his loaf explanation. No, I didn't get served loaf, but it was the equivalent of loaf. So this is what I got served. I got stuck served the shit they used to make the loaf.

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Okay. You see what I'm saying? You got pre-loaf.

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The ingredients. Fucking deconstructed.

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Deconstructed I got this one meal, I thought it was mashed potatoes, it was a burrito. Oh shit.

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What the fuck?

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Yeah, but but what had happened was, uh, bruh, and at this point in my life, bruh, I haven't committed a crime. Well, sometimes I ride without my seatbelt. I might run a red light sometimes.

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It happens.

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Uh J-Wall.

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Oh.

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But but I've been clean, like I've been a square for a long time at this point, right? Because this is just last year. I had my gun, but it's registered. It's illegal. It's registered in Louisiana. So I didn't realize you know. So I didn't realize all the criteria of riding with a gun. I thought it was an extension of my home. I had the gun in my car. I'm literally on the corner at the light, right by accidental chaos, if y'all know what that is. Comedy spot out there. It's closed down now, but.

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Oh, so you were in LA.

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Yeah, in Hollywood. About to pull up to the to the comedy club, man. And, you know, I ride with the shit on my lap, you know what I'm saying? And uh, and then but it's like I said, it's illegal. I bought it from Academy Sports. It's like uh registered, you know.

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So just like in Louisiana, you can have an open container and an open carrier. Yeah, in Louisiana, you go to the city. Either of those are true.

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Yeah, they told me, so I found out that you gotta have the clip out. It's gotta be in a case and in a trunk, like out here. Unless you have a CCW, which is, you know, I guess I might have to go that route and get it.

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You gotta take a whole class and get a whole license and shit for that.

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Yeah, it's insane, bro. Like I can't do it. But it's and I understand because you know, it's it's kind of my fault not to know better, right? But uh, but that's what happened. But here's the thing. I've done all this good shit. Like, you can see my record from once upon a time to now, all of this stuff. I have proof of it all, bro. Proof of employment, proof that I've been in a career for this many, showing that I do volunteer. Like, I got all of this shit, and none of that shit mattered. Well, I'm in there, I'm just like everybody else that's in there, and it's like just another docket number. Bruh, yeah, man. And then, needless to say, because all my shit was a sponged, right? But apparently not, because they could still see that shit. And so they bring it up and they start questioning all this stuff in the past. Because all the shit I'm telling you about, uh, besides the the theft when I got caught like shoplifting, I've never been convicted of anything. Like, a lot of the shit that that I've been to court for, like, it's almost all been misdemeanor. The felony shit that I've been there for, I didn't get convicted of it. Damn, I got a lawyer, dang, and fucking had to pay an arm and a fucking leg.

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My bad.

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To to beat the shit. Dude, right? Not to mention it's like which I was telling you earlier. It's like, damn, all this shit I've been doing, all this illegal shit to get money and all that. Well, fucking all my money goes uh now beating the case.

SPEAKER_04

When you were when you were in your case, was it a jury trial that you went to, or was it just you just played?

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It would have been. I end up not having to go to trial. I got it thrown out.

SPEAKER_04

Let me ask you this. Did you play up the Louisiana like Bobby Boucher when you're talking to the I didn't know, Yon. Like just really that way, like you really thought.

SPEAKER_01

Bro, you want to hear the funny story?

SPEAKER_04

I do. That's what we're here for.

SPEAKER_01

This is crazy. So with the shit here that happened here in California with the gun, right? I and this is a real true story. Everything I'm about to say is fucking crazy, right? The truth and nothing but it. The truth and nothing but it, right? So y'all know who Alec, do y'all know who Alec Feinstone is?

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No.

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He's a comedian, right? He's a good friend of mine. Uh, you know, I know him from Accidental Chaos and uh all that. Real good friend of mine, right? And uh he's a lawyer, right? He's a comedian, he's a lawyer. And the way I knew he was a lawyer is one night, because he never just told me straight up, right? So one night we're hanging out at Accidental, and this other uh comedian, uh, y'all know who Kenny Lyon is?

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No.

SPEAKER_01

What? Y'all gotta Alright, well, this other comedian, Kenny Lyon. Nah, it's cool. But he's been in the game a long time. He kind of started the roast battle shit. Uh, but but Kenny Lyon, they're out there talking about Kenny's case. Kenny had a court case, and Alan's sitting there, you know, talking about representing him in court and all this stuff, you know. So I'm like, all right, he's a lawyer. Boom. Fast forward, you know, I don't know, a year or two later or whatever. To last year, I go to jail. I'm in jail. Mind you, I'm I get my phone call. I'm calling my wife. She's on her way to Chicago, you know what I'm saying? For a trip. And I didn't even get to use the phone until way later. I didn't even get to use it immediately. But anyway, but I'm telling her, so I'm letting her know, and I don't have his number or nothing, right? So I'm like, look, I'm telling her and and my daughter, I'm like, yo, y'all need to contact Alec Feinstone, tell him this, tell him exactly what happened, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm, I mean, like, it's the thing. Every chance, every phone call I get while I'm there, I'm telling my wife, I'm telling my daughter, because sometimes I'll call my daughter, sometimes I'll call my wife, damn, did you get in touch with with uh Adam uh Alec Feinstone? And I'm telling my wife, you know, I'm and I'm telling him, do it, hit him up on Instagram, all this shit. And my wife is like, uh, uh, he don't know who we are, so maybe if you just give me your Instagram and I messaging from you, then Hell no.

SPEAKER_04

That's when you really got no trouble. Then I'm like, Hell no.

SPEAKER_01

Then I'm like, you know what? You know what? It's not so bad in here. I'll wait. I'll wait till you get back. You know? Nah, nah.

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Hell no.

SPEAKER_01

Nah, but they she did mention that the truth is, like, I don't even know my Instagram password on this shit, right? But I'm like, damn, I was like, I don't know my shit. But but I'm every single day, long story short, he never responds to him, right? Andre, I went into jail on Monday, and you know, the whole process out here, it's different in Louisiana. You go to jail on Monday, you go to court Tuesday, boom, you out, you get your bond, whatever, right? Then you can get a bond the same night, you get booked. All this shit out here with a gun charge, it makes you wait to go to court. Blah zé blah, right? I had to wait till Thursday. Four days, we joke about it. It ain't a lot, but I got a lot of shit to lose in four days. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you can't. Now I gotta I gotta explain this to my job. Look, I'm not guilty. I'm telling my job, I'm not guilty. I haven't been like, I really gotta push it because the job will let you go just for being charge. You know what I'm saying? And uh shout out to my job, y'all help me down too. I fuck with y'all.

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Damn my life.

SPEAKER_01

And uh specifically my suit, Eddie. You're the man, bro. But um, so I'm in there, bro. I finally go to court, bro. It's just such a long, drawn-out process. Because you go to court and bring you to the courtroom at like four in the morning, bro. You're sitting down there. And you're like, damn, you don't have no clock or nothing, so you don't know what time to do. Just in a dead ass tour. I don't get out of the courtroom until like fucking eight at night. Damn, I sold my property at the courthouse. They tell me I gotta go to property at Central to go pick it up. I go there, my property's not there. They say, no, it's still at the courthouse. You gotta wait for it to come. It's insane, bro. Like, just the inconvenience alone is enough for me. I'm reformed. Like, for real. Like, for real, for real. Man, so mind you, I got pulled over in my car, so I left my car at accidental chaos, right? I had a comedian come to the scene, drive it and park it, whatever. So I'm trying to get back there, right? I'm getting a ride, finally get my property. I'm getting a ride from a dude I was just in jail with. We're riding. He's in a Hellcat, right? Damn, I got a funny story about him too. I'll tell you that in a minute. But damn, he's smoking weed with the roof back, and all I remember, we're on our way to get our property, and all I remember is like, I'm about to go right back to jail.

SPEAKER_03

You're smoking weed in a convertible on the way to the courthouse.

SPEAKER_01

In a Hellcat at that loud through downtown LA and Hollywood and all this shit to go to, bro, it's insane, right? We get there, get the property, finally. I'm like, bro, just bring me to accidental. He's like, man, you wanna go to the script club? I'm like, no. I'm good, man. Like, no. Like, because this dude's getting bred. Like, he's really getting bred at this dude, you know what I'm saying? And uh, I'm like, nah, bruh, I need to get in my car and shit, bruh. So he finally drops in there. I get to accidental. Alec Feinstone is there.

SPEAKER_04

Thank goodness.

SPEAKER_01

Bro, I'm like, Alec, you know what I'm saying, bruh. He's like, bro, I just saw your message. The message today, I think your daughter, your wife, or whatever, something or whatever about he's like, is everything alright? Da da da da da. I'm like, bruh. I I begin them to tell him about everything that happened, how it transpired, they pull me over, they do that, da da da da da, right. And he goes, Why didn't you just tell him that you're from Louisiana? And I'm like, sitting there thinking, I'm like, that's not what a lawyer would say, right? And I'm like, but I never mind, I'm like, I'm thinking he's joking, he's a comedian. I'm like, uh, you know. We get to talking, so I'm like, I'm like, bruh, I'm thinking, I was hoping I was gonna see you in there. I was like, uh, I was like, which courtroom you work in? I was like, I was in courtroom A or whatever. He's like, he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, which courtroom do you work in? Like, which one? He's like, nah. He's like, I don't work there. I was like, what? I'm like, uh, I was like, I'm like, you're a lawyer, right? And he's like, no.

unknown

What?

SPEAKER_01

I'm a chef at a rehab.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my so wait, why did you think he was a lawyer?

SPEAKER_01

Just because of that conversation that that night with Kenny Lyon when they were out there, he was joking around pretending to be his lawyer. I thought he was a lawyer.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my gosh. Yeah, plus you have a driver's license that says you live in California.

SPEAKER_01

And his last name is Feinstone, man.

SPEAKER_04

Oh that's why that's why he's guilty of something.

SPEAKER_01

But he's Jewish, like for sure.

SPEAKER_04

I mean you, you're guilty of something.

SPEAKER_01

Nah, no, no, but or as I say, allegedly. But listen, man, I the way he was mitigating, or excuse me, litigating Kenny Lyons' court case that night in the alley outside of the comedy club. For sure he was a lawyer. There was no, like, bro, this shit is crazy because when he was doing Kenny's case, he sounded like a lawyer. When he's dealing with my case, he's like, oh, tell him you're from Louisiana.

SPEAKER_04

Like was he like, was he quoting, you know, the two youths? He wears also he's quoting like movies, he's like, Well, the two youths. He's like, you can't handle the truth. And you're like, wait a second, it sounds like a lawyer.

SPEAKER_01

But perhaps, right? But here's another thing in my defense. So he hosted uh a show there every Thursday, right? He wore a suit every night. I'm thinking he's coming from work. Oh my nice. That is hilarious.

SPEAKER_03

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_01

Like, but when I say I thought he was, I mean like I thought he was a lawyer, like my life depended on it. Like, thought he was, like, like really thought he was like, you have no idea, like the shit I'm telling him to say in the message. Like, like, bruh, he knows things about me now that nobody knows. Like, I'm like, bruh, like all this stuff, like I need you, like I'm telling him like all this criminal shit. I'm like, god damn it, man. Like, because I'm thinking he's gonna see it anyway.

SPEAKER_03

No attorney client privilege works. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

All off the string, like, hey, this is my dog from the spot. Like, we boys, you know what I'm saying? I in my mind, there's no way he's not gonna represent me. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04

Like, so in other words, what I feel like is that I'm gonna be getting these DMs pretty soon. Is that is that what you Tony, are you feeling this?

SPEAKER_01

But that's crazy. At man, that's insane, bro. I like and man, when he told me he was a chef, bro, like I cannot explain, like, like my heart just sunk, bro. Like, I'm like, what? Like, like, I could not believe it. Like, I felt so stupid, man. Like, it's probably what Theodore felt. I don't know if I should have felt stupid or if it was his fault. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03

Like, I feel like that was probably your fault.

SPEAKER_01

But like, bro, you can't just pretend to be a lawyer in front of people like that, man. Like, that's insane, bro. Like, that's how I felt. Like, like, bruh, like, what are you doing, man? You ruined my life, man. Like, like, it's insane, bro.

SPEAKER_03

Who just does that?

SPEAKER_01

Man, making a combo. Like, come on, man. That's crazy, man. Like, oh man. And he's from like Memphis, Tennessee, so it's kind of like that, like, he don't look nothing like him, but it's kind of like that Matthew McConaughey, Tom the Brief. The time to kill, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was thinking the time to kill. Like, that's how I wanted to get out just as bad as Samuel L. Jackson wanted to get out in time to cure. That's how bad I wanted to get out.

SPEAKER_04

Wait, was Matthew McConaughey in Pelican Brief or am I making that up?

SPEAKER_01

Nah, that was uh Denzel Wolf's. That's right, that's right.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, yeah, yeah, Lincoln Lawyer.

SPEAKER_01

He was like, Everybody gets those two mixed up.

SPEAKER_04

Well, no, I don't know, Pelican Brief is in New Orleans.

SPEAKER_01

Briefs or the Pelican Brief?

SPEAKER_04

No, but Pelican Brief is New Orleans.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I never watched it. Yeah, that But I know it's Denzel.

SPEAKER_04

I know, I know, I knew it was New Orleans and I.

SPEAKER_01

Wait, or did I watch it?

SPEAKER_04

I think it was New Orleans.

SPEAKER_01

What's the one? Um, there's a movie where he's in New Orleans. I think Sanah Lathan is in it too, though, uh, with him. Like Sanah Lathan is like his girl and he and she like betrays him. With Dean Kane.

SPEAKER_04

Oh.

SPEAKER_01

What's that?

SPEAKER_04

A good I don't know, but a good New Orleans criminal case is uh Double Jeopardy with uh Ashley Judd and she hides in a catacomb or whatever, like that. A mausoleum, sorry.

SPEAKER_01

You ever watched uh Skeleton Key?

SPEAKER_04

No.

SPEAKER_01

What Skeleton Key, that house that they filmed it at is in Shrever, Louisiana.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

And when we lived in Thibodeau, because we lived out for a uh for a little bit, that's where my wife went to grad school at uh Nichols. But um we lived there and that house was like there, so we used to see it all the time. It's a very creepy house. But they only they only used the outside of that house. But anyway, Skeletors Key, good movie.

SPEAKER_04

Um well, I mean, I'm gonna I have my my case if if I you want me to talk about it real quick. Speed speed through here if you don't mind. Do you mind? Okay. Well you you mentioned heist earlier. So this is the Baker Street Heist, and it's based in London. So uh I don't know, should I start speaking with a British accent? No.

SPEAKER_03

I don't think I think it's okay to be racist against British people, so like go for it.

SPEAKER_04

How is it racist?

SPEAKER_01

That's not even racist, that's like uh country linguists. No, that's not linguist. Linguistist. No.

SPEAKER_04

But if I have lineage to the UK, you do. Then I feel as though it's you know and I mean I'm sure I do too.

SPEAKER_01

My my daddy's from Honduras, my mom is white.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

We don't have sponsors, we can't get cancelled. Do whatever you want. Say the N-word.

SPEAKER_04

No.

SPEAKER_03

What neglect?

SPEAKER_04

No. Um yeah, so so this Ninkum poop. Yeah, no. The N-word is no.

SPEAKER_01

There you go. She did say it.

SPEAKER_04

So in London, 1970s, this is uh Lloyd's bank, and uh it is uh just just a normal bank, nothing nothing to nothing to see here, but uh they call it the uh Baker Street robbery. But and there's also Baker Street Heist, but uh maybe do you know the difference between a robbery and a burglary?

SPEAKER_03

Uh I do, in fact, I have both of those.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, you do?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I have one armed burglary and two armed robberies.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. So no one got hurt.

SPEAKER_03

So what's the difference? Uh so an armed burglary is when you break into someone's house, but a robbery could just take place anywhere.

SPEAKER_04

Right. So robbery involves a person. You have to have the person involved, like a you're and you're making a threat, or you have you like a threat of violence or intimate. Wait, I thought you robbed a sub from the 11.

SPEAKER_03

Both.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, you've done two things?

SPEAKER_03

And one night, yeah. Oh shit. Hell yeah. Yeah. We'll we'll have to do an episode on it. It's it's a pretty interesting. I was just trying to live up to your legacy, dog.

SPEAKER_01

Bro, I jumped a stolen, I jumped a curb in a stolen car in front of a police station, bro. And and didn't get caught. Some people got all the love.

SPEAKER_04

Well, so so yeah, so so a robbery is usually just a well not usually, it is a person, like and then you're stealing it from a person, but then uh burglary is you're going into a property, right? Uh when I took the bar exam, we learned the common law. And one of the things about the common law is that you have to we're taking all these different um multiple choice questions, so it's very technical on the the language. And for common law, it is uh entering a dwelling at night with the intent to commit a crime. So you have or intent to commit a felony. So uh you'd have to look when you're like reading the questions, like oh, does it say at night?

SPEAKER_03

Like you know, it's like mine says with intent to rape, maim, or kill. Oh my god. That was like, yo. Rape?

SPEAKER_04

You're like that's where I don't say.

SPEAKER_00

I was going to maim and kill, but not rape. Exactly. That's insane.

SPEAKER_01

But I guess if they prove the intent, that's what uh it would be an additional, right? Like if it were rape, they could prove that's what it were, or if they could prove you were trying to kill otherwise it's just Arn Berkeley, right? Like if you if you if they could prove intent that you actually were trying to kill, it would be attempted.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I don't I don't do criminal law, but I think it's like the intent has to be one of the three. Like there has to be an element or it could be other things too, but like the there has to be the intent to commit one of these things when you go into the property.

SPEAKER_01

Which is crazy because I was a paper in my in my car. I was gonna bring the paper that I have from jail. They have this paper, right, about because he said rape. Oh, god dang it. Bro, they give you this paper about sexual assault in jail, about tips not to get sexually assaulted, right?

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah, they make you watch a whole video with the case.

SPEAKER_01

Bro, and one of the things is it says do not accept favors and uh or back rubs. It's bro, it's got a list of some questions that you're gonna do. Yeah, I'm I I forgot to bring it in. It's funny, it's pretty funny, man.

SPEAKER_04

That's crazy. Um, so this guy, Anthony Gavin, he's a criminal cr uh career criminal. He is just a persistent guy that wants to get rich quick. Uh he plans this heist of a bank, all right? And uh it's they think it's based on a book, uh, Redheaded League by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes, and Dr. Watson, preemptive burglary by being in a vault when the burglaries uh burglars uh break in. So this is where they think that Gavin gets this idea he's gonna break into a bank vault, but he's not gonna get caught. That's his plan. So um so his idea is we're not gonna break in or to uh the bank, we're gonna break under it. So he finds this bake Baker Street or a branch of Lloyd's bank, and next door there's a chicken inn, which is a restaurant, and then next to that there's a place called Laysac. And uh they end up he gets somebody who doesn't have a criminal record to rent Laysac. It's a leather goods store. Then they tell people, they put all posters of like we're going through renovations, we're closed, and you know, no one can go into the store without me.

SPEAKER_03

That was getting right to say, isn't like Italian job that's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01

I think there's a couple movies that Yeah, and um the sting. No, not the sting. I don't know, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04

No, no, no, no, you're good, you're good. So he the guy that he gets to to do this, um he he runs the place, all right, and then he gets another guy. Oh are you okay over there?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah, swiped my earring on accident. This shit hurt.

SPEAKER_04

Sorry.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Don't let my pain and suffering stop you.

SPEAKER_04

You know, I know of someone who might be able to get you money for that. So uh yeah, so anyway, so he gets this uh uh car salesman to like a second hall car secondhand car salesman to uh get uh bank uh like uh an account at Lloyd's and takes like $500 and then after a couple months the guy gets a safety.

SPEAKER_03

Lloyd's is the bank.

SPEAKER_04

Lloyds is the bank, yeah. So he so he's got a couple different people, he's kind of spreading it out, and he has this guy, so he gets an account at the bank, and then he that guy gets a safety deposit box after uh a couple months or something like that. So that way he can uh check out what's going on in the vault.

unknown

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04

When he goes into the vault, he at the time the bank would just let you go in to where your safety deposit box is, and then they would leave so that you had your moment alone or whatever you're gonna do. But this guy, what he did was he's gonna go in there with the idea of measuring everything so that way he has an idea of the layout. And he so he's using an umbrella and I think like his arm to measure things, but then on the floor there's these tiles and they're nine inches. So he's able to measure everything and then he creates like a floor plan so that way they know exactly where everything is. Uh they start uh like they go into the LASAC and they're gonna start building uh a tunnel or like drilling a tunnel down to get into the bank. And uh they have a lookout, they have all these things that they decide to do it, they start on a Friday night, so that way they're doing it on the night and they're doing it on the weekends because the bank is closed at that time. The the bank is closed on Saturday and Sunday. Um they have a lookout, they have a walkie-talkie system, so that way it's all like you know, timed, organized, great. Uh, they have a guy that uh is gonna be a burglar alarm expert, so he knows like where the burglar alarms are, uh I guess a guy named Little Legs, a guy named TH. They've got they've got it all called.

SPEAKER_03

That seems like a slur.

SPEAKER_04

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_03

God damn. Was it Brad Williams?

SPEAKER_04

Callback. Um, they get another guy that doesn't again, he's looking for people that don't have criminal records. He gets a guy to um get the tools for the break-in. So they have a thermal lance, they have a uh, I think they have like a power jack, all these different tools to try to get in.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I thought those were people's names. They are people's names.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. So um, yeah, so so they're they're all like dialed in. They're very much students of Lloyd's Bank. They're under but they're understanding like, you know, the when it's busy, when it's not busy, or they're trying to get it all, you know, all in all. And I think the guy that rented the safety deposit box, he went there like 10, 12, 13 times. So that way he really got it dialed in where he where he was gonna uh what what they were gonna do. So uh they start building this tunnel. It takes them about three weeks to to get the tunnel where they want it. And um it's got when they get to the bank, it's got reinforced concrete. Three three feet of solid uh reinforced concrete. And they're they're trying to use the power jack, it doesn't work. They try to use the thermal lance. Um, I don't think that works. So then they end up using this uh dynamite or like low-key uh call it called jelly or jelly knight. So that way they uh can blast through. But again, they're very smart. What they do is they're on the walkie-talkie system and they're waiting for traffic to go by. So that way the timing of it is like when a big truck is going by, so that no one is the wiser of what's going on.

SPEAKER_03

So it's damn so some of the heist movies uh I would I was thinking that it was kind of like outlandish and far fetched, but it's this this is the kind of shit that people actually do to break into shit.

SPEAKER_01

They had they had a heist like that where the the vault collapsed on them. Like they dug, they tunneled underneath, and the vault collapsed on them.

SPEAKER_04

So in this situation, I guess when they were using the power jack. I think when they tried to go up, it actually went down and it went to like a well or something. Yeah. So they had to yeah, re-figure that out. But yeah. So they're on the they're walkie-talkies, right? So it seems like that's a great idea.

SPEAKER_03

But unfortunately it's on the police frequency, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04

No, it's on it's on a just a walkie-talkie frequency. And so at the time, this is like a new territory. There's these CB radios. I don't know. Did you guys ever use CB radios as a kid? Yeah. I I had an ant uncle that loved it.

SPEAKER_01

My uncle kept one of his car. Night night. I used to talk to truckers. Oh yeah. It was weird.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah. Like over.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. 104. Over. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Roger. So um, yeah. So this guy is in his apartment and he's gonna turn on his, he's a like a radio hobbyist. So he's gonna turn it on, and he wants to listen to, I guess, uh, Radio Luxembourg. But as he's turning on, he says he's like war warming it up, which again, I I don't know, but I guess it'll warm up his radio, whatever.

SPEAKER_01

Fingering it, yeah. Yeah. We've got to finger the C B uh before before you can listen. Yeah, I know what he's talking about, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So as he's like waiting for the radio to, you know, arri arise to the occasion.

SPEAKER_01

Get wet in the hands.

SPEAKER_04

He uh he starts to hear some sus you know, suspicious talk, and like you know, and he's like, What is going on? This sounds weird. So he calls the police, and the police think he's a lunatic, and they're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, buddy. They thought it was a hoax. So as a flippant response, the police are like, Why don't you record it? Like, okay, and then they hang up. And the guy actually has a recorder.

SPEAKER_03

Of course. Of course, as one does.

SPEAKER_01

Because the guy who has a C B has a recorder. That's right.

SPEAKER_04

So he's recording and recording and recording, and he just keeps like listening to all these different things. And and I guess originally he thought it was a tobacco shop that was getting robbed or something or burgled. He didn't know what it was because he's, you know, it's uh, you know, the frequency is not exactly clear, right? So he records everything, and finally, when he thinks he has enough, he goes to Scotland Yard police instead of like the local guys. I guess he steps it up, and they he turns the tapes over to them, they start listening to what's going on. So then they put out like a I guess like a bulletin to all the different police and say, because they don't know what bank it is, because you know, this isn't right, because of course they're not like we're gonna rob such and such bank on such and such date. Well, they're at the place, they're actually at the place, like, okay, we're here, like we're almost through this part, like da-da-da, right? So, um, and I think uh that I I think also that at one point they were actually in the vault, like talking about like how much like money they might have already like gotten, and that might have been a big clue. So they put out all the police and they go through all the different things, and I guess at one point they're even out, they they get in the police go into the bank, but the safe, the vault is on a um timer, and I guess they couldn't get in. And they don't know to this day if these guys were in the vault when the police were there, but basically the the police are looking at it from the outside, they're like, we there's no way, like there's no damage to the front of the bank, there's no damage to the vault.

SPEAKER_03

No one's in there. They're not thinking like El Taco type tunnel, exactly, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_04

So um, yeah, so uh they basically are live streaming the robbery, and the bad reception is what saves them being.

SPEAKER_01

Well, that's common now, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But the bad reception, that's why they couldn't like if they would have probably narrowed it down and known for sure it was that bank, maybe it would have been made a difference. But um, yeah, so I guess finally on that Monday after when after they've taken all the things out, uh So they got all the shit out of the the Yeah, I guess as much as they wanted or could carry. So the reports are it was like 268 boxes, uh security boxes, safety, whatever deposit boxes that they were able to open. They weren't able to get the bank safe. I don't know if they tried or whatnot, but it was something like a quarter of the boxes that they uh they were able to open. And uh yeah, so that's when on Monday morning, that's when they started to realize, like, oh, the you know, we've been robbed. They got uh cash, jewelry, valuables, allegedly photos. That's the big rumor is that they got photos of Princess Margaret, the sister of uh the queen, in compromising.

SPEAKER_03

Like some blackmail type shit.

SPEAKER_04

I guess it was with um like some actorslash felon or something. I don't know what, yeah. That is she she liked the bad boys, yeah. So they think it was like blackmail.

SPEAKER_01

That's usually how it goes.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, she had good taste.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they think it was like blackmail uh material. Uh they're not sure exactly how much was stolen. They think it was somewhere between um 150 pounds or 4 million pounds, somewhere in that range.

SPEAKER_01

That's a big range.

SPEAKER_03

Big fucking range.

SPEAKER_01

150 pounds to 4 million pounds? Yeah, well, I guess there is 150 is like 150 dollars. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04

Well, 150 pounds. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Thank you. Correction corner. 150,000 pounds. That's still not like a big range, though. 150,000 pounds to four. Yeah, 4 million pounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm sure some stuff if you count the touring stuff, it's yeah, it's and I think um of all the people who own the boxes, or something like eight of them that didn't want to talk to the police because maybe they didn't want to let the police know which was in their boxes.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah. Yeah, I can only imagine, bro. Think about it. There's probably a lot of like murder weapons in in safe deposit boxes.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my god, I can't imagine, dude. There there's probably fucking eight or nine felonies at your local bank safe deposit box. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So so uh apparently uh they arrest the crew. There's people though, they like I guess on the radio they heard a female's voice, but I don't think they ever caught the female. Um and it's there was like they're not a hundred percent sure how many people were actually involved in the crime.

SPEAKER_03

That was just little legs.

SPEAKER_04

No, I think I think little legs might have been the one that helped get through the the um the digging.

SPEAKER_03

Hell yeah, they only had to dig half a hole for that motherfucker.

SPEAKER_04

I think that the entrance to the vault was like 12 inches by 14 inches or something like that. Like that's a pretty small hole.

SPEAKER_01

But pretty big considering that's like that's like that right now. Above average, I would say. That's a little bigger than that.

SPEAKER_04

The tube?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's like 12 by.

SPEAKER_01

Like that vent. Like the vent on the thing. Um because the this right here ain't 12 inches, I don't think. That's probably like eight or nine. That's probably like nine by fourteen, maybe.

SPEAKER_04

To the listeners and the viewers, sorry you can't see what we're pointing to, but we're talking about your standard air conditioned vent. That's right. Basically, that's what we're all looking at right now.

SPEAKER_01

It's right there.

SPEAKER_04

And uh I don't know, I think I mean that's still pretty tight. I mean, to be able to get through, right?

SPEAKER_01

But I've watched uh a lot of crime shows with uh one of them was on Forensic File, the dude that was hitting all them houses in um in New York, he was going in through the doggy doors. Oh, yeah, real small.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, you have to yeah, you have to contort your shoulders to get in there, I think.

SPEAKER_01

But take one arm off and put that bitch in back behind it, like a screwdriver. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04

I feel like I I'm pretty claustrophobic. I couldn't, I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_03

I mean when that's the people are claustrophobic.

SPEAKER_04

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

Like spaces are bigger to them, maybe is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04

So you're saying that's why Little Legs was able to do it?

SPEAKER_03

That's what I'm saying. He didn't have any fear, he was fearless. Like that's a whole fucking wind tunnel to him.

SPEAKER_01

He probably ran fast.

SPEAKER_03

That's why they called him legs.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, so um the people that they were able to catch pled guilty, they're convicted. Um three of them did 12 years, one of them did eight years because he was older, so he's like in his 60s, so they gave him in. Yeah, but think about it, no no one else wasn't there wasn't a a person involved, so they were just going in, you know. I don't I don't know. They didn't have to like there wasn't a like an individual that they were taking from, they were just uh burglaring, they weren't robbing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

unknown

Hi.

SPEAKER_01

So they probably had that stuff stashed away for when they got out, I would imagine.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, well, I guess the somehow I think they were able to get some of the items back, and I guess there was even some problems on that when they were doing that. Like um, there were two people that so some white people stuff, um candlestick holders. There are two different families that were saying it was theirs. There's well, bruh.

SPEAKER_01

There probably was a fun ton of money. In white people's defense. I've seen a lot of episodes of Pawn Stars where I've seen some pretty valuable candlestick holders.

SPEAKER_04

Really? I was wonder why they're so valuable.

SPEAKER_01

Because once upon a time, that was like luxury. Yeah. The the holder itself. I feel like back in the day, like the more fancy things you had for regular shit was like like a sign of wealth, right? And it was so well done.

SPEAKER_03

Cigarette holders and shit.

SPEAKER_01

All of that, cigarette holders, candlestick holders, turlets, then the zinc itself, like everything was like fine crafted, and like it could be a something regular, man. Uh a doorknob, like they spent so much time in detail. But they got doorknobs that are worth millions of dollars. Yeah, you know what I mean? So a candlestick holder is just one of those things. So especially if it was passed down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I could see that. I could see that. I just thought it was funny. Like two families were like, no, those are my candlestick holders.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but I mean shit, maybe that's how Yankee candles got started.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, so basically to to end the story, uh um, they also thought that there's like pictures of a member of parliament that it was abusing children, but all these alleged photos, they never there's no proof to any of this. So yeah, but that's the uh the Baker Street heist.

SPEAKER_01

And they've never been released or anything like photos.

SPEAKER_04

No, but uh we're gonna have to have you back because uh I want to hear all about the time that you were at the mothership.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, we see we should have talked about it, right?

SPEAKER_04

Just ran out of time, but um, thank you guys for watching. And really happy back. Uh yeah, we hope to you know have you back.

SPEAKER_01

And I'll be back there next month, too, on the 26th at the mothership.

SPEAKER_03

We'll have to have you on after that. We can have on for sure. All right.

SPEAKER_04

Well, thank you so much for watching and uh see you next time.