No One Gets Hurt
JJ Jorgenson is a lawyer. Tonio is a felon. Together they talk about crimes, scams, schemes, comedy and more!
No One Gets Hurt
Scam School
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This week JJ & Tonio welcome special guest, Dennis Vargas.
The ADHD is on high today as topics range from high school experiences, early mornings in the French quarter, school fraud, what NOT to do if you come into a sum of illegal money and Tonio's new hero?!?!
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SPEAKER_03Was it the first show for the show?
SPEAKER_00I think so.
SPEAKER_03I'm pretty sure Anna might add the first guest that's been on time.
SPEAKER_00Early.
SPEAKER_02I'm Mexican bro of weed. We get everywhere early. We've got to make sure there's there's no cops and ice around first. We've got to circle the block a couple times.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's just a good thing. I literally did go around.
SPEAKER_02It's cool. And he's Mexican too, and he's selling fucking weed out there.
SPEAKER_00Yes. So Dennis Vargas, give us your uh Instagram handle.
SPEAKER_02Dennis Vargas comedy. That's it. I mean simple. Yeah. Yeah. Took me like years to figure that out kind of good, catchy. Your name and comedy, that's it. That's all you need.
SPEAKER_00It is it is funny to see different people's like Instagram handles where it's like it's it's so hard to find, like, you know, something very obscure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I've been meaning to change mine because it's kind of what's yours? It's A that's Tonyo. But like it's A Y. And like that, I see that could be confusing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um and yours is just your name, right?
SPEAKER_00JJ Jorgensen N N. I added the N N because I thought it looked like so then the Jorgensen is centered. Do you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02That's very O C D.
SPEAKER_00Well, JJ Jorgensen. I get you what you mean. Yeah, I guess you're not going to be able to do it. And it was already taken. So then I was like, I don't want to be like JJ Jorgensen 7299. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's not that seems like a spam right there.
SPEAKER_00And I guess I could have put comedy, but it just didn't occur at the time. The the the the the one N makes sense, but then the two after it don't mean anything. JJ Jorgensen. It's like it's like ground, uh, it's like uh caddyshack. No no no no no no no no.
SPEAKER_02Well I haven't seen that in a long time. Wow, caddyshack.
SPEAKER_00Golf. We're back to golf.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. That's absolutely so that was uh 237 show.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yes, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, where um I yeah, it was it was great. I mean, they had um delicious empanadas, by the way.
SPEAKER_02So when you make it big, I'll be like, Yeah, she was on my show the first time.
SPEAKER_00Yes, I did I honestly think that was the first. I mean, I did a showcase, all right. Like, but I don't really necessarily think I think that counts. Like it was like part of a class I had done. Okay, yeah. So that this like yeah, I first real show.
SPEAKER_02First real show that with all five people that were in there, probably, and or was it packed?
SPEAKER_00I I think it was probably like 20 people and eight of them I brought, but I was getting it.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that was a competition, maybe.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, oh you know who was on it too is Andrew, Andrew Castillo and uh and Camille, she was on it as well. She's funny too, and Carmel.
SPEAKER_02Carmel Humphrey. Yes, yeah, he's funny, yeah.
SPEAKER_00He was smooth, and then I think Mark. Is it Mark?
SPEAKER_02Mark Myers. Yes, Mark Myers. He's good too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I booked him for that other spot in uh Huntington.
SPEAKER_00Okay, yeah, he did really good. Yeah, yeah. He he has a new bit right now where he talks about something about quarterbacks or something, yeah. And he has and then he pulls up his sleeve and he has like a quarterback uh note sheet like on his wrist. He's like, What?
SPEAKER_02It's smart, it's a smart joke.
SPEAKER_00And then he's like, I'm probably I'm a prop comic now. Oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I thought comedy was always we are the props.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, seriously, yeah, for sure. Um, so we got a big show tonight, very exciting.
SPEAKER_03Damn this tonight, huh?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, this is gonna air after it, so it was a great amazing.
SPEAKER_02Everyone got a standing ovation. That was very classic show.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the good news for Dennis is you don't have to drive very far.
SPEAKER_02No, this is like right up the street. This wasn't that far either, so yeah. Saturday's like the only day I get to sleep in.
SPEAKER_00So oh, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02No, sleep sleeping in for me is like seven. Okay, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03We just went over this. He's Mexican, he's up with the sun.
SPEAKER_00Early, early. That's that's it. It is true. That is actually a very true stereotype.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, bro. I think all stereotypes have some truth in it. Oh, absolutely. They all do, I think they all do for sure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he'd be us here. Yeah, yeah, that's never happened.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I was actually, I thought, oh, I didn't know what car you drove, so I didn't see you. And usually somebody would be like in the parking lot, so I was like, okay, and then I heard you in and I was like, oh wow, it's amazing.
SPEAKER_02Initiative, yeah. You guys can learn something. Get up early.
SPEAKER_00I will tell you, so it's interesting you say that. So I I mentioned before I have a ton of cousins, and one of my cousins, um, he you know, barely no offense, but barely graduated. Um, no offense to him if he watches this, but he barely graduated high school.
SPEAKER_02Like I didn't even graduate high school. Really? I got my GED. I'm a real stereotype. Well, he's the same. Fuck yeah, GED all the way.
SPEAKER_00He graduated, but it was like basically being pulled across the stage, right? Um, but he has done very, very well for himself. He works in construction and in like for a crane company. He's worked for different crane companies. Oh yeah, that's money. Yeah, he's damn, right? But and then we, you know, we just shoot the shit, whatever. And and and I I said to asked him, I'm like, well, like what you know, what is your secret to success? Do you think? You know, and he's like, it's he's like, it's amazing. He's like, you get to the to the yard early and you do your job and you get promoted. And he's like, a lot of people don't seem to understand that concept, you know.
SPEAKER_02So I think a lot of younger people don't understand that shit. Like you gotta you gotta work for it for whatever, you know.
SPEAKER_03I was it's like a double-edged sword for me personally, because like I was I don't want to say like forced into having a full-time job, but it was like I pretty much ended up having a full-time job when I was like 12. That's pretty good. Wow, and she didn't go to school or no, I kept getting suspended or fucking kicked out. Dude, I got I got expelled from five different high schools in one year. Wow. That's pretty good. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Now what did you get expelled for?
SPEAKER_03Uh various things. So I got expelled from the first one for not showing up. Like, or like the when I was there, I was smoking weed and cigarettes in the bathroom and not going to class or whatever.
SPEAKER_02You're like a motley crew video.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I was I was ridiculous, bro. I was a degenerate. Um and then the second one, I overdosed an ISS on Xanax.
SPEAKER_00What's ISS?
SPEAKER_03Uh in school suspension. Oh. So it's like detention. Uh so I overdosed on Xanax in there, and they searched my bag and found some weeds, so they kicked me out for that. Uh, and then they sent me to an alternative school uh that I got kicked out of um for uh things that I'm not gonna mention.
SPEAKER_00Uh Statue of Limitations is still running. Something like that.
SPEAKER_03Um it's just a life I'm trying to leave behind me. Yeah. Uh all jokes aside. Um, and then so I went to another school. Uh that was like a 45-minute drive. My mom used to have to drive me like every like in hindsight, obviously, I feel like shit about it, but uh I got kicked out of there because I was in like a little neighborhood gang or whatever. Yeah and uh I was walking through the hallway with my bandana and all that, and like somebody started like you know what I mean. We went back and forth. Uh, and then like the next thing we know, like the whole fucking school is like standing there watching us, and it's like 30 of them and me.
SPEAKER_00Was the bandana pink or purple? It was orange, very neutral, very neutral.
SPEAKER_03It was orange, and uh I meant to say neon pink or neon. I have a couple of those at home right now.
SPEAKER_02Well, they're just for the weekends, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And and when you say you were wearing it, it was like an ascot around your neck, like probably why all that happened.
SPEAKER_03It was a hate crime that was getting the first hate crime.
SPEAKER_02Hate les like, I thought it was a gang bang.
SPEAKER_03I'll tell you what.
SPEAKER_02Like you're gonna turn into a roast.
SPEAKER_01I take it. That's that's what he said.
SPEAKER_03I put him a lay up on the couch. Oh man, I'm fucking dead.
SPEAKER_02That's funny because the same shit happened to me, not the gang shit, not the gay stuff, but I got kicked out of school too, so I feel you on that shit. I got kicked out of the whole district.
SPEAKER_00Whoa.
SPEAKER_02Me too. What did you do?
SPEAKER_00What did you do? I didn't even do shit.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's what it's still pending. All these years later, still pending. We're only getting pumping. This happened last year, so pending button. I'm going backwards now.
SPEAKER_03I'll tell you what, though, that was the only time I was happy to see the police. Really? Damn right, they was finna jump my ass. Oh shit. I got tackled from the saws. That's such a white thing to say.
SPEAKER_02I would have I'd rather get my ass beat.
SPEAKER_03I got tackled and I thought it was one of them. You know, I wasn't even gonna get the chance to take one with me, type shit. So I got mad and then I looked, and it was the fucking police. And I thought, bro, thank God. Thank God, officer. They they kicked me out for causing a gang problem.
SPEAKER_01Oh shit.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he was like, hi, officer.
SPEAKER_02Where'd you go to school?
SPEAKER_03Uh in Virginia.
SPEAKER_02Oh, damn, that is that's crazy. Yeah, they're gonna bring you on a cross, man.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, damn right they were. They tried, bro. And then I got kicked out of the the first high school again for the same thing.
SPEAKER_01Oh shit, that's it.
SPEAKER_03And they sent me to an alternative school uh that I also got kicked out of. I showed up five minutes late one day and they wouldn't let me in the door. Yeah, and like it was my mom's fault, it wasn't even my fault.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And uh they wouldn't let me in. So I had to walk to 7-Eleven in a neighborhood like I'm not supposed to be in, and uh use a payphone to call my mom to come pick me up. And after that, she didn't make me go back. Yeah, I was like, dog, I tried six times. Well, that's because it she had to drive far, so she's like, there's a limit. I'm running out of gas money, bitch.
SPEAKER_02Payphone, miss the payphone days walking around with a pocket full of change and stuff.
SPEAKER_03I didn't even have fucking change. I had to go inside and ask the 7-Eleven for 50 cents. Like, bro, here's my situation.
SPEAKER_0250 cents long distance.
SPEAKER_03No, that's what it costs. That's what it costs.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, oh, I come back from the times when there used to be long distance.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_02You pay extra to call the next error code over.
SPEAKER_03It's like think it's just down the street. I'm sure y'all remember when the phone was invented.
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SPEAKER_00I used to get I used in high school, I used to get hustled for money for phone for the phone. Like this couple kids would always be like, Hey, I gotta call my mom. Can you give me a quarter? And I and I'd be like, No. Because they weren't they weren't trying to call their mom. They literally were just trying to collect money to buy lunch for for you know whatever. And uh but they didn't like it wasn't like, hey, can you buy me lunch today? It was like, hey, can I get a quarter so I can call my mom? And then they just all and I don't even know if they were buying lunch at school. I think they were just trying to again run a scam.
SPEAKER_02So they're hustling.
SPEAKER_0090s kids, yo.
SPEAKER_02They were hustling, that's good for them. Shit.
SPEAKER_0090s in the OC, baby.
SPEAKER_02Wow. I was 90s in uh San Gabriel Valley.
SPEAKER_00It's hot.
SPEAKER_02I grew up in a ghetto back in. It's not a ghetto anymore, but it was it was gentrified. Yeah, it's all it's all Filipino now. It's like a Kaiser waiting room, but Filipinos everywhere.
SPEAKER_00It's actually, you mean uh the Kaiser nurse station. Nurse station, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So it's a very safe place. Everybody knows first aid, and you're getting an accident, somebody will help you. They're gonna be a doctor or a nurse right down the street.
SPEAKER_00They can intubate you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Anyways. Well, uh, it's actually interesting that we're talking about school. It actually tees up my story pretty well. I will tell you though, the story was gonna do. I got tricked. It was on Instagram. I was like, oh, this is a good one. It was said that a an e a former Dallas Cowboys cheerleader was arrested for harassing her boyfriend because she hired a marching band to follow him to work for nine days. And and then they played Love Stinks, and I was like, Oh, this is great. So then I tried to like dig deeper, but I couldn't find it anywhere. So I'm pretty sure it was a you know head fake. So I was like, pfft.
SPEAKER_03So then I came up with unfortunate because that's a good idea.
SPEAKER_02I saw that too. Okay, yeah, yeah. So it's not true? I don't think it's true. Uh it was posted by uh news station.
SPEAKER_00So well, a lot of times there's like these parody news sites and then they pop up in my Instagram and I'm like, oh, that's fake. It's because it's like and it's like just such an outrageous, it's almost like the onion, you know, it's like just an outrageous story, but it's it's not outrageous enough where it is the onion, you know? So it's just uh, anyways.
SPEAKER_03I could see that happening though. I've seen videos where someone hired a mariachi band to follow someone they didn't like. And I love that.
SPEAKER_02Well, they're badass. I mean, that you're walking with your own soundtrack, like taking advantage of that shit, especially a mariachi band. Fuck yeah, right. I'm gonna go to the swap and be like these are these guys are with me.
SPEAKER_03I can't saucer for shit, but you follow me with a mariachi band, I'm gonna figure it out. Figure it out. My hip's gonna figure it the fuck out.
SPEAKER_02And you got all that that experience from the game, maybe let's not forget prison too.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I went I went to a wedding in New Orleans one time and they had uh like a band that followed the bride and groom. It was like a I I can't remember there's a name for the band. I think it's like a step, I don't think it's a step band, but it's like uh it's like it's mostly horns.
SPEAKER_03What are you doing? Step band.
SPEAKER_02Well it's that music that they play out in New Orleans, right?
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, it's that like the like jazz? No, I it I heard let me let me explain. So so my friends get married in in the French Quarter, okay, which is like they're in New Orleans, right? And all of a sudden the band pops up. They they had a different band playing at the wedding, and then all of a sudden, this like open of the doors, like do do do do do, like it's like you know that kind of southern. I don't know how to explain it. I I'll know it as soon as this is over, of course. But anyways, so brass band is that maybe it's brass band. I think it's called a brass band. No, it's okay. I mean, but yeah, I think it's a brass band. I think that's what it's called. So, anyways, so they come out like do do do do, and I thought this is so cool. And we we get to walk all down uh you know, bourbon, all the places is so cool having this band that we're following the band, so much fun, and then we get to um this this hotel that we were gonna go get cocktails at at after the wedding was over, right? It's uh the carousel bar, very famous bar, so I guess where Hemingway would hang out. Okay. So I'm like, this is so special, so unique. And my husband and I had an early fight the next day, and we're like, well, I think we probably should get going, you know, whatever. And as we're standing out in front of the hotel, all of a sudden, do, do, do, do, do, do, another brass band, another bride and groom show up, and we're like, Oh, that's so crazy. What are the chances, you know? So then we start walking back to our hotel, do, do, do, do, do, do, third band.
SPEAKER_02Jeez, like a cartoon.
SPEAKER_00And then we get to the we get to our back to our hotel. Doot do do do. I I'm like, what? So it's just basically rinse and repeat, but it was still, no matter what, some cool shit to walk down. They have all the cops like blocking the streets. No, your people on the uh balconies are like throwing beads at you just to be silly. It's just it's so it's so fun.
SPEAKER_02So it was during Mardi Gras?
SPEAKER_00No, no, no.
SPEAKER_02So they just do that all year round.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no. Well, I mean, it's just yeah, it's just silly, yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah, no, the first day I got there, uh, I think it was like Thurs Thursday or Friday, whatever. It was oh no, it was Friday. Oh my gosh, actually, this was really funny. It's Friday, and the um this we got there actually Thursday night, but our flight got delayed, and the uh Falcons were in town to play the Saints, and our hotel room was given to someone else because we got in too late. And I had prepaid the room, so I was not a happy camper, and but they ended up putting us at like a quote sister sister site, which sister hotel, which it was not the same, but it's fine, whatever. We had a room, so that's good. Um, but it was completely sold out because of this game. But then the gators were in town to play the tigers, so Florida versus LSU. It was a crazy Friday. So we we get up early early-ish, like we're walking around, we get breakfast, and then we start walking around Bourbon Street and all the things. And uh if you've never been, it's quite a scene, and there's a band playing at this like bar, and my husband calls it like zombies because people, it was 10 a.m. People were blackout drunk, dancing like their life depended on it. People that should not be dancing together were dancing together, like like an like look like oh, a mother and her son are dancing to oh no, no, they're making out. He's motorboating her. What is happening? This is not okay.
SPEAKER_03But hey, right then, God damn it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was it was insane. So New Orleans is a scene. So that was in I think October-ish, yeah. So um, but a very, very fun place to visit for sure. So um, but yeah, so we're talking about bans, all the things going back to school. So my fraud today or my scam today is an ongoing case. So this is all alleged. This is not, you know, there's not been a sentencing, there's not been a conviction, but it's happening currently.
SPEAKER_03You stole my topic. I was waiting until more details came out.
SPEAKER_00Are you serious?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, go ahead. I already know what you're gonna say.
SPEAKER_00The L A O S D?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Really?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well, I don't know what you guys are talking about, so fill me in. All right, well, this episode's concluded.
SPEAKER_00Sounds we're done. This is now the second time this has happened.
SPEAKER_03It's it's an it's bound to happen.
SPEAKER_00It feels a little convenient. I'm not gonna lie. You just you know, like, oh yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, you can fill it in then, because I was just cramming it in right now. So uh for school, I was cramming for school. So um, so basically there's a Texas uh tech uh executive that is trying to get into LAUSD to have like software, I believe it was, some kind of like technical software. Is that right? Is that your understanding?
SPEAKER_03Maybe not. Maybe it's not.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So okay, so he is in contact with uh the the a technical project manager for LAUSD and they uh they are negotiating the terms of the deal, allegedly, this is my understanding, um, that uh his company is going to be the company that provides services for LAUSD. But in order to get the contract, they agree to paying her some money. No, is this your case or no? No. Okay. So this is taking place over many years, and something like uh two uh $22 million is alleged to have been lost.
SPEAKER_02She's getting kickbacks.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, she's getting kickbacks exactly. Pay to play kickback. Um, and how it gets exposed is in 2022 they were at some kind of a con one of them, I don't know which one, but one of them was at a conference and I guess was bragging about the deal. Yeah. Yeah. And apparently there's over 24,000 pages of evidence because I mean Can we add that as number three of things not to do when you get a bunch of illegal money? What's that?
SPEAKER_03I'm bragging about making a list. Fucking brag about it. Oh, right. Yeah, it's gotta be number three.
SPEAKER_00So so this is ongoing for our listeners. Sorry, you this is repeat, but um number one, don't start living a lavish lifestyle. Yeah, like gradually.
SPEAKER_02Didn't anybody learn anything from Walter White? Like you gradually I started watching that again last night. I started watching that again like last month.
SPEAKER_00And the and number two, pay taxes on the money.
SPEAKER_04Launder it, please.
SPEAKER_00Well, not only launder it, but pay taxes on it, right? Yeah, yeah. Because because you, or maybe it's the same thing, um, because it seems as though people get caught because they're not paying the proper taxes, right? They they have this income that is uh they don't know where it's coming from, but they're also not paying taxes on it. So then that's the tip that then unravels the rest of the crime.
SPEAKER_02Or don't put it in the bank.
SPEAKER_03I think we're gonna have to make that number four though, because number three is definitely clean it. Yeah, you gotta clean it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, or don't put it in the bank.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right. So um, yeah, so but they put a bunch of stuff in uh uh you know, text messages to each other, emails or whatever, allegedly. And sh the the L A U S D person, she was actually trying to create more like fictional companies to filter the money through.
SPEAKER_03So she's she at least she was going by number three. Fucking clean it.
SPEAKER_02That's such a white thing to say, allegedly.
SPEAKER_00Well, but it's because they haven't they're still in the process of so the the um the court date I believe is in June. So they they both have pled uh not guilty. So the way it works in in our system, it you're considered innocent until proven guilty, right? So that's why we're saying alleged, because we don't have a conviction.
SPEAKER_02Better said you're guilty until proven otherwise.
SPEAKER_00Why?
SPEAKER_02Because that's the way it is for some people. That's how the system really is.
SPEAKER_00Unless you got money. I see what you're saying. Oh, that's that's number five, I think. Yeah, have money.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Have an attorney, sweet James or law.
SPEAKER_00He doesn't do that kind of law, sorry. He he does personal injury law.
SPEAKER_02I know.
SPEAKER_00But if you call him, he'll I'm sure he knows the guy.
SPEAKER_02He knows a guy that knows a guy because he looks shady as fuck. Sweet James looks shady, bro. What a what a comment like I might know people that work for him.
SPEAKER_03Oh, really? We're leaving that in. He's a nice guy.
SPEAKER_00He's such a sweet, he's a sweet James. He's a sweet.
SPEAKER_02Uh call Le Rach Parker then. Ley Rachel Parker, you know him?
SPEAKER_00He's dead.
SPEAKER_02Okay. What about the Mexican version? Los Defensores. What the fuck did you just say? There's the Mexican version of like Sweet James and Le Rach Parker. Uh-huh. They're called Los Defensores.
SPEAKER_03What does that translate to?
SPEAKER_02The defenders, the lawyers. But their phone number is 222-2222.
SPEAKER_00Would Sweet James Spanish version be El Dulce Jaime? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, that was his friend from high school.
SPEAKER_03I'm only taking that about seven or eight more times.
SPEAKER_00That's what you said in high school.
SPEAKER_02Oh shit.
SPEAKER_00That's the third uh high of the uh series. But um this laugh break has been brought to you by Sweet James or the Spanish version, Los Defensores.
SPEAKER_02Oh fuck, that's funny.
SPEAKER_00No, my okay, so I don't know, but my my husband's theory is that like if you don't I guess in in Sweet James Defense, he uh he does have a name in he does have a name in his firm practice, right? But a lot of times, not all the time, but some of the time, when the law firm doesn't have a name, it's probably not a good sign. True. Like like you want to have your attorney have their name in yeah, like it it has a little more like accountability, I feel like. But not all the time. Definitely I know people that work for firms that don't have a name in it and they're fine, they're great, everything's good.
SPEAKER_03But I feel like the definition of accountability is having your face plastered on a public bus.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, what's interesting about that though is that um a lot of not a lot of times, but some of the times like a person might be the face of the firm. And not even a firm. But they're not gonna they're not actually doing your your case. They're just basically they've made it to the top of the pyramid, and they're soliciting the customers to come in, and then they filter it down to their stable of uh attorneys.
SPEAKER_02He's now by your bedside after you get taken to the hospital by the ample.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, so that's that's my case. Uh there's like I said, the the case is supposed to go to trial uh I guess in June, if there's no other ways. Yeah, this doesn't matter. So next month. Yep.
SPEAKER_02So how much you say 20 million?
SPEAKER_00One of the reports it was 22 million laundered, allegedly. And then I saw something else that might have been over 30 million, but um yeah, but it it's wild how many pay-to-play oh that happens all the time, especially in government entities, because you know, it's it's so easy to hide behind like this is for the good of the kids, right? You know, like like oh yeah, we need this money for the good of the kids, and then there's no accountability or there's limited accountability there's because it's not their money, so they're not as diligent in looking at where it's actually going. And then people in the public sector, you know, they're they're like, Oh, yeah, I want a little taste, and then and you can't do that, like you're not allowed to award a contract to somebody because they're giving you a kickback, you know.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, at least not in government, I think.
SPEAKER_00Right, not in government, especially. But I mean but they do all the time, so they're gonna be facing criminal charges as well. Um, but yeah, so and then and then so not only criminal charges, sorry, they're also facing civil because they're gonna have to um repay the money back too.
SPEAKER_03So is that different? Like if you get a criminal charge uh over like stealing money, do you have to also have a civil suit to get that money back?
SPEAKER_00Um I I believe so, but here's an interesting hot take, okay? Um hopefully one day my husband will come on the show. He has a couple interesting cases.
SPEAKER_03Yes, Brett, please.
SPEAKER_00But um sometimes what happens is, and this is dirty, okay, I think, but I also understand it and I appreciate it. Because if they're bad if they're doing wrong things, then I think this is the way to go. But first, uh like this doesn't just happen in public entities, right? It happens in private entities too, Fortune 500 companies. So imagine a Fortune 500 company understands or or identifies or uh investigates an individual that's working in their company and they find out that they're doing a kickback scheme or embezzling money somehow, right? Like imagine you're the Fortune 500 company or the small business, whatever. They find this out, they take it to authorities, and then they pursue it civilly. And if you are being sued civilly, uh the government doesn't provide you an attorney. So you have to pay for an attorney to defend yourself. And you know what that is? Expensive. So you are bleeding money to defend yourself in a civil case, right? And all the while in the background is the criminal case that hasn't been charged against you yet. So you think, oh, this is just a civil case, right? But the but all of the evidence that's being developed in the civil case becomes evidence for your criminal case is gonna take it over. Now you have no money because or you have less money because you had to pay for your civil defense attorney, right? Then the criminal charges come, and now you have to get another attorney to face the criminal charges. And and if you don't have the money, then you have to get a public defender, which no, there's plenty of great public defenders, but it's not the same. Like it's not the same. So yeah, a lot of times that's what happens is the the civil happens first and then the criminal happens next. Yeah, something new today. Yeah, not always, but sometimes. Yeah, at least in my experience, what I've seen. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02So the moral of the story is don't steal money essentially.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_03Or run or just run. Or be really, really fucking good at it, like the guy I want to talk about today.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, I'm done, please.
SPEAKER_03Have you ever heard of Joe Lowe?
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_03Joe Lowe is one of my new fucking heroes.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03Okay. So uh in 2009, the Prime Minister of Malaysia and created this I don't want to say company because it wasn't really a company, but it was like a program to help uh bring in foreign investments to Malaysia and boost their economy.
SPEAKER_00And how was this like the LAUSD?
SPEAKER_03I was saying ahead of time a different story actually that I'm gonna cover.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it like it literally just happened like two days ago.
SPEAKER_02The Malaysia or the LAUSD one?
SPEAKER_03No, the one that I was talking about. We it was different. I thought she was talking about the same thing that I had planned on talking about later on. Oh, I seriously. I was incorrect.
SPEAKER_00Sorry to interrupt you.
SPEAKER_03You should be okay.
SPEAKER_00So Malaysia back to Malaysia.
SPEAKER_03Uh so the the prime minister created this shit, and this guy, Joe Lowe, somehow became like affiliated, like he never actually worked for them, but he was essentially in the prime minister's pocket somehow. I think he was like friends with his son, is what I gathered. And uh he ended up, I don't want to say being his advisor, but like pretty much being his advisor. And so he was what he was doing is so they the the company was supposed to like make deals, take loans out and things like that, uh to like I said, create the economy. Um but instead most of it ended up in this dude Joe Lowe's pocket. And dude, we're talking billions with a B. Wow billions of dollars from like multitudes of of countries and fucking b like uh so fuck them high.
SPEAKER_00But like you're but you're talking about Joe Lowe.
SPEAKER_03Yes. I know the irony.
SPEAKER_00Um I only know Tony O'High.
SPEAKER_03That's yeah, boom boom. Me too.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say Joe Joe Lowe sounds too close to cholo, and you can never touch a cholo.
SPEAKER_01So that seemed a little right.
SPEAKER_00Do you know my friend Bo? Uh okay, so they got it don't disrupt his flow.
SPEAKER_02No, no, no. We want to hear mo mounting.
SPEAKER_00Come on, let's go, go, go.
SPEAKER_03I want to hear more about this Joe Lou. Dude, I'm telling you, he's my hero.
SPEAKER_00Did he get found out by the Po Po?
SPEAKER_03We'll get there. Okay, I was wondering what happens. We'll get there.
SPEAKER_02That's a lot of money. You can't hide that money under your money. We will indeed get there.
SPEAKER_03So they the problem was when they started it, is that they didn't have any money. They were supposed to be doing deals and making investments, but they didn't have any money. So they borrowed a bunch of bonds from Goldman Sachs. You ever heard of Goldman Sachs? Of course. Of course, everyone has. Um so they borrowed a bunch of bonds from them, and instead of doing what they were supposed to do with it, it ended up in shell companies and different countries and different banks. Uh moved around a lot. And then uh the the guy Joe Lowe was taking it and just using it for himself. He was buying fucking mansions, super yachts, like having these lavish celebrity parties. Where were the mansions? All over the fucking world. This man like became like fucking like Pitbull says Mr. Worldwide. I'm telling you, he's he's in fucking New York partying with like Leonardo DiCaprio, Jamie Foxx, uh Alicia Keys was mentioned, like so many different sounds awesome, right? And and all of the the people that they reached out to like for comments, said fuck that. Yeah, damn right. Yeah, but they were saying that everybody had to sign an NDA before they could even fucking step foot in the door to these parties, and he just kind of popped up out of nowhere. I guess fucking even like at one point, Leonardo DiCaprio was like, Hey, where's this money coming from? Like, is this shit legit?
SPEAKER_00Did he ever uh cross tie cross paths with uh P. Diddy?
SPEAKER_03I you know, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm sure he did. 100%, yeah. But he probably had to sign that NDL. They each pass one to each other here.
SPEAKER_00He just slipped by on the oil.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_03Uh dude, like thinking about it, they absolutely a hundred percent had to cross paths, allegedly, yeah. Allegedly. Allegedly, fucking allegedly. Um, so he's buying his wife shit, like she's soaking it up. The fucking the prime minister's getting fucking so yeah, then I like he's getting hundreds of millions. Um they fucking they started a film company. The guy Joe Lowe, and somebody else started a film company, and this company made fucking the Wolf of Wall Street.
SPEAKER_00How ironic.
SPEAKER_03Right. Yeah, that was the first movie they produced.
SPEAKER_00I just say that movie is so good. Right, sorry, sorry to interrupt you, but the my one of my favorite parts of that movie is the the scene where he does the quaaludes and everything's perfectly fine, and they're like, that's amazing. And then when they flash back, he's like, and he's like, and then he drives the Lamborghini like, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Have you ever seen Jordan Belfort talk about that movie?
SPEAKER_00Uh I think so, but it's refresh my memory.
SPEAKER_03He was like, the only thing that was inaccurate is that it wasn't a red Ferrari in the beginning, it was white. That's funny. Yeah, yeah. That movie's so good. Dude, it's so fucking good, bro.
SPEAKER_00That's so funny. Um King can't working.
SPEAKER_03Pretty soon they're probably they're gonna make a movie on Joe Low.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Zelda.
SPEAKER_03Uh, there is a documentary, actually. Really? 2023. Yeah. I watched like half of it. It was kind of boring. No. I decided I'd rather just read into it. No, pick out the things I thought was interesting than fucking.
SPEAKER_00You know what? Actually, let's add to the list. So thinking of Wolf of Wall Street, remember in the movie when he invites the feds to his yacht? Yeah. And he's like trying to be like, oh, you want anything? You want a lobster dinner? You want to hang out with these hot girls? Like, da-da-da-da-da. That's the other thing that uh he he does that it's like he talks to the feds.
SPEAKER_03Don't ever talk to the feds. Don't talk to the feds. Like, don't think that you can outside. Yeah. So what's that number 17?
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_03I'll figure it out. Yeah. So what happened with Joe Low? Uh, so dude, like, he is buying rare art, he's buying fucking jewel like dumbass. Bro, this guy, well, they're they're they're getting billions and billions of dollars. And I might add that this didn't happen in fucking like 70s or the eight, like this happened in 2000, the early 2000s.
SPEAKER_00It's amazing that people still think that they can get away. Just like my case, it's like this just happened. Like, it's amazing how people think that they can just get away with it. And everything's like in an electronic emails and text messages. You're like, what are you doing?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like there's a paper trail. Right. There it is, bro.
SPEAKER_03Like, uh, he was buying art pieces, like everything. Uh, one thing said he sent spent like $10 million on fucking some Pablo Picasso pieces. Jeez. Yeah, just blow in money, like flying stewardesses out to his fucking mansions and shit. Like that was specifically mentioned, so I feel like I had to specifically mention it. You gotta throw that in there. Yes, absolutely. Man, it's funny, yeah, dude. Um so they're stealing all this fucking money and uh Goldman Sachs is getting a huge kickback.
SPEAKER_00Oh, really?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so and that's one of the things that started to to tip off the government was because like uh the way I was uh understanding it is that like normally, let's say you do a six million dollar deal. Like on that you're getting 10%, which is what six hundred thousand? Six million. Did you say six million? Yeah, okay, yeah, six hundred thousand. Yeah, so normally you're not I'm sorry, you're not getting ten percent of that. You're getting like a percent of that. So you're getting like sixty grand.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03They were getting fucking like on a six million dollar deal, they were getting like two, three million.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_03And it was multiple transactions like that. Uh just Goldman Sachs, I think they said it was like three point nine billion dollars just being filtered through Goldman Sachs.
SPEAKER_00And so they're willing to look the other way, probably.
SPEAKER_03Well, yes, exactly. Two of the top Goldman Sachs executives were actually convicted. Uh I forget what they were charged with.
SPEAKER_00Um, but they had to probably wire fraud, conspiracy.
SPEAKER_03Probably, yeah. They had to do prison time, they had to the um no, I'm wrong, actually. They didn't do prison time.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_03Um but they did have to pay, like I said, like $3.9 billion in like restitutions. Um and like obviously it damaged the reputation of their company. Uh just off of two guys.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_03Just off of two fucking assholes taking money off the top, like and the money was supposed to go to Malaysia to like make it a better place.
SPEAKER_00That's the worst.
SPEAKER_03Yes. And well, it wasn't even doing that. It wasn't even ending up in the Malaysian con uh uh economy, it was ending up in the the prime minister and his wife's pocket.
SPEAKER_00Right, but I'm saying the the ultimately it was supposed to be to better the community.
SPEAKER_03That was the yeah, that was the initial plan when they had created the company.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um so here's the fucking, here's the crazy part. Okay. What ends up happening, okay, uh the prime minister gets arrested. His wife gets arrested. They both do prison time. His wife did like 10 years. Well, she was sentenced to 10 years. Uh, and she had to pay, I want to say it was like a couple hundred million in restitution. Jeez. And then, like, as all of this is unraveling, like uh some celebrities were like returning gifts, like this fucking Leonardo DiCaprio turned in like a whole bunch of art that was given to him.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, their PR people are probably on top of that relationship. You need to give this back. But then if you give it back, then you're you're you're admitting that you no, I think that they're saying we didn't know because I think that's a PR move. Like you don't you don't want to be associated with somebody that did something like that.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. A hundred percent. You can't give back the cocaine though, because they've always they've already consumed that shit. Yeah, it's already dripped.
SPEAKER_00And if they have it in their safe, they're like, Oh, better use this now. Yeah, what I was gonna save it for a special occasion, but not anymore.
SPEAKER_02You should have just sold that and then you kept money.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. What what cocaine? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, but the gifts like sell the Picasso, take it down to the SWAT mean for sure.
SPEAKER_03Their PR person was like, bitch, if you don't take that shit back, right the fuck now.
SPEAKER_02Well, I'm saying if I was a celebrity, I'd be like, I sold it, but that's why we're different, bro. You would have sold it too fucking. That's what I mean.
SPEAKER_00I mean, do you think they have someone on their payroll that like literally categorizes like, okay, um, this was from so-and-so, this was from so that way they can just go back through and double check.
SPEAKER_03Probably not, but I mean, like, if you're getting a $10 million fucking Picasso piece, you know what I mean? Yeah, like you know where the fuck that came from. Yeah, yeah. Nobody loves you that much. Yeah. So uh that's wild. They do prison time. The Goldman Sachs executives get fucking pretty much nothing because they got fucking money. Yeah. Uh they had to pay.
SPEAKER_00Were they charged in Malaysia or they charged in America?
SPEAKER_03They were charged in America.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um and then I believe the person.
SPEAKER_00Personally, I think I'd rather do time in federal prison in America than in Malaysia.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Um, I think Goldman Sachs actually faced international charges. I don't know, which I don't know how that works. Um crazy money. My absolute fucking hero, Joe Low Joe Lowe, still is on the run to this day. Damn. My man is in the fucking wind. Good for him.
SPEAKER_01You beat the six.
SPEAKER_02You beat the system, fuck it.
SPEAKER_03Fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_00And this is where I tell you, this is Joe Lowe.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Hell yeah. Let me hold $20.
SPEAKER_02The Mexican version, Jose Luis.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, man. He fucking made off like a bandit, dude. Scammed governments out of fucking like five billion dollars with a B.
SPEAKER_00Do you think he changes his name to Fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah. Maybe some plastic surgery. Something, dog. Damn.
SPEAKER_02You buy a little island, some obscure island somewhere.
SPEAKER_00I know one for sale.
SPEAKER_02It's uh did I say island? I meant islands, the old restaurant thing crazy money, billions, bro.
SPEAKER_03It's just blowing it. Millions at casinos, fucking lavish parties, dinners, super yachts, mansions, like you name it. That motherfucker was buying it. They made movies. Uh which the the the film company that they started, uh, I forget what the name of it was, uh, but it's it got shut down.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna go look for them. Damn it.
SPEAKER_00I'll tell you this. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of movies have some kind of fraudulent back because that's an easy way to launder money.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's a good idea. Well, yeah, that's that's fucking that's Hollywood. Yeah, half of Hollywood is like that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Allegedly.
SPEAKER_03Allegedly. Alleged. No, I think at this point word alleged.
SPEAKER_00Uh I don't want to use sued. That's such an attorney word. I don't want to be sued. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02So they can sue me, they ain't gonna get shit. You can take you could take my debt.
SPEAKER_00But then you have to pay for an attorney to defend yourself.
SPEAKER_02That's where you get but you can defend yourself though.
SPEAKER_00Uh do you know an a uh person who uh represents themselves? Have you heard of that term? Yeah. Has a fool for a client?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I heard that. That's yeah. But you could, well, technically. Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because what's his name? Uh he was a serial killer. Jeffrey Ted Bundy defended himself.
SPEAKER_00But he actually went to law school.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02He escaped from jail too a couple times.
SPEAKER_00Yes, this is uh podcast where people don't get hurt, but yeah, Ted Bundy is probably my one of my a my gateway drugs into true crime.
SPEAKER_03So I didn't I didn't know any of that. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02I like watching shit like that too.
SPEAKER_00He was actually uh gonna run for like, I want to say Congress or governor, one of the two, like in Washington as a Republican. Of course, of course, and what's even crazier, he actually worked for a rape hotline or suicide hotline. One of the two, like a help hotline, a help helping hotline, yeah. And and that's really bad. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's fucked up. Don't pop it down. You gotta cut that.
SPEAKER_04You gotta cut that. I'm not advocating for it.
SPEAKER_00No, but he he manipulated the system when he was in Denver facing charges, and then he jumped out of like, I think, a second story window at a courthouse. Yeah. Yeah, and that fool was a case, too, really. Like broke an ankle or something like that, and then he and he stole a car, drove to Florida, and then he murdered a bunch of girls in a sorority house.
SPEAKER_02He abducted somebody in Huntington. Most likely, yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know what? I think it was alleged. I don't think they had confirmed it. I think I don't know. There was some connection with yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, anyways.
SPEAKER_02I mean, that's my hood.
SPEAKER_00That's right. All right. Well, I think that's are we is that your conclusion?
SPEAKER_03That's it. Fucking shout out to Joe Lowe, dog. Joe Lowe.
SPEAKER_02If you're listening, can you cosign for me? Facts, bro.
SPEAKER_03Just one loan.
SPEAKER_02Just this I'm not even greedy. I wouldn't want billions.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, just involvement sex.
SPEAKER_00You want charity. Charity, yeah. You know?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I want a grant. I'm gonna say, there you go.
SPEAKER_02For me, because I'm a minority, I want a scholarship. Give me a scholarship for a million dollars.
SPEAKER_00Tax-free.
SPEAKER_02Tax-free, yes, it's gotta be tax free. Pay the taxes. Yeah, pay those taxes.
SPEAKER_00Well, thank you so much for coming, Dennis. So fun. What a fun episode. And um, you know, we'll have you back and looking forward to tonight. Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. Very, very much so. Yeah, great night. Cool. We're gonna kill it. Thank you guys for having me. This was fun. Thanks for coming out, man. Subscribe and like. Thanks for joining us. See you next time.
unknownThank you.