Married in 4 months.
 30 years later… still obsessed with each other.

Yeah—we’ve got some things to say. 

Welcome to The Making Love Podcast.

What if marriage wasn’t something you just maintained…
But something you intentionally built, protected, and genuinely enjoyed?

We combine biblical truth with real-life, practical wisdom to help you create a marriage that’s:

•  Strong in faith 
•  Deeply connected 
•  And actually fun 

We talk about the real stuff:

•  How to keep communication open (even when it’s hard) 
•  How to avoid emotional shutdown 
•  Understanding your spouse’s “marriage language” 
•  Navigating entrepreneur + non-entrepreneur dynamics 
•  And building a love that keeps growing—not fading 
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We’re pastors, parents of 3 grown sons, and grandparents… but at the end of the day, we’re still choosing each other—and still having fun doing it.

This isn’t about perfection.
 It’s about building a marriage that lasts—and feels alive along the way.