Danyelle is co-host, co-founder, and co-conspirator of The Third Thing, a podcast about friendship, chosen family, and the love stories nobody centers but everyone needs.

She's a Black | Queer | Femme, a psychotherapist, a professional cartomancer, Hoodoo, witch, and magical being with over 20 years of community work behind her. Their practice integrates the clinical, the spiritual, and the ancestral. She holds master's degrees in social work and public administration. They see clients in the Bay Area through Kinship Counseling Collective for clinical therapy, and through Tides Healing for spiritual coaching, divination, and ancestral lineage work.

Danyelle and Michelle have been close for 26 years. The Third Thing is what they've been building together that whole time, now in podcast form.

Michelle is co-host, co-founder, and co-conspirator of The Third Thing.

She's a queer Bay Area native, wife, mother, and executive coach who leads at the intersection of strategy and heart. With more than 20 years of experience spanning nonprofit leadership, business strategy, and coaching, she helps people navigate growth, change, and life's biggest transitions with greater clarity and intention.

Michelle holds an Executive MBA from UC Berkeley Haas and is a graduate of the Elementum Coaching Institute. Her work combines leadership development, nervous system awareness, communication, and trauma-informed practices to help people build lives that feel more aligned, sustainable, and joyful.

Friendship has been one of Michelle's greatest teachers. The Third Thing is the conversation she and Danyelle have been having for 26 years, now shared with the world.