Empowerment Through Feminist Therapy with Crys Vincent

In this episode, we're joined by Crys Vincent, therapist and founder of Playback Therapy, to explore the transformative approach of Feminist Therapy.

Crys (she/her) is a Registered Psychologist and Canadian Certified Counsellor. She has extensive training in feminist, narrative, and trauma therapy (EMDR). Her clinical interests include anxiety, depression, sexual assault, and healing childhood trauma. Crys is a queer woman and celebrates the beautiful spectrum of gender expression, identity, and orientation. She leads a team offering short and long term therapy as well as healing intensives. Crys strives to provide decolonizing support through the empowerment of her clients, with the goal of healing the barriers that get in the way of you living the life of your intention. Find Crys at www.playbackpsychology.ca.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Welcome to the Inner Solutions Podcast. I'm your host, Jessica Heil. I own and operate Inner Solutions, a private practice clinic located in Calgary, Canada. Inner Solutions seeks to understand and help our clients by providing empirically supported treatments and evidence-based practices with compassion and expertise. This podcast will provide you with information regarding complex psychological conditions as well as treatments that are available. Hello, Jess. It's really nice to have you on the podcast today.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

It's nice to be here and uh it's lovely to be in conversation with you. And I just have to say how much I respect the work that you and the Inner Solutions team do. We're so lucky to have you in our community and just really thankful for all the good work that you folks do.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Oh, Chris, thank you so much for those kind words. I really appreciate that. And likewise, we're so excited to have you on the podcast. I think that today is going to be just so important as a conversation that we're going to be having. You're going to be talking about feminist therapy. And honestly, it's something I don't know a lot about, but it's something that's been on my radar for a very long time. Because what I do know is that feminist therapy is a gateway to all of us learning more about inclusivity, learning how to have more awareness. And I think it is a way, a vessel, if I can say that, of a way for us to start to move forward in our society and our culture with some positive change, especially given some of the just the political climates and everything that's been going on. There's a lot of polarization in the world. So I'm excited for you to talk to us about feminist therapy, what it is, and how it can help all of us. And I think to start, why don't we define what is feminist therapy?

SPEAKER_02 2:11

I love that, Jess. It's true. And my intent really in this conversation is to make this idea of bringing feminist ethics or a feminist paradigm into the therapy room a little less scary for folks. Feminist therapy is not just for women, but we're talking about human beings. So feminist therapy really being introduced, this is not new. Uh, we've been talking about uh using feminist ethics in the therapy room since the 1960s. So we're incorporating ideas from feminist therapy, recognizing a couple of different areas. We're talking about social, cultural, and political factors that play into, impact, or somehow have a relationship to our individual distress and our mental health. So we're talking about challenging power dynamics that exist in all of those isms, right? Not just feminism, but we're talking about ableism. We're talking about racism and white supremacy, um, any of these colonialisms, um, these power dynamics that play out in our world. We're concerned about social justice, but the the focus of a feminist therapist is still on helping that individual in the therapist room to achieve symptom reduction, to be able to have more freedom of movement. And what I mean by that is, you know, my goal for all clients is that they would be able to live the life of their intention or of their choosing. You know, that my my goal for you is that you be able to live your life as you see fit, as you want to. So personal growth within the context of the world that we live in and those dynamics that are a part of our life.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

I think that sounds amazing. And I'm I'm thinking about a lot of the clients that I work with who will quite consistently come into their therapy session and be expressing to me their concern, their distress over some of the things that are happening in our world. And they feel quite helpless to not only do anything about it, but oftentimes they feel like it's impacting not only just society at large, but it's impacting their own personal lives. And I frequently hear them say saying things such as, this world was not meant for me.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

And doesn't your heart just kind of break a little bit when you hear that? A hundred percent. And not every therapist would need to, you know, receive formal training. I was very lucky to have an immersive experience where I studied feminist theory for for a number of years. But it doesn't mean that that every therapist can't incorporate into their regular interventions or the regular paradigms that we use to help our clients move towards healing. But so timely right now, as you mentioned, instability, polarization, and and huge political shifts, you know, even in the last year, five years, 10 years, that there could be a call to therapists and community workers that walk alongside folks to recognize that the personal is political, you know, from feminism, that what's happening in the greater uh world does interact with our inner experiences.

SPEAKER_00 6:04

Absolutely. And it really does. It's we are all parts of what's going on, that we influence our world and the world influences us. And it's unless we are living in like a bubble, and most of us are not, even if we have a tendency to maybe keep to ourselves and socially isolate, sometimes we all have to go outside at some point, and we are impacted by the the things that are going on around us.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 6:36

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

And in one of the ways, you know, uh uh feminist theory can can come in and like what does that look like, Jeff? Like, these are lovely ideas we've been talking about. What does that look like? Um so for for example, what what feminist theory kind of invites us to consider is the symptoms that we're experiencing. Can we understand those as responses? So responses to our context, responses to our situation on a grand scale, what's what's happening in the world, what's happening in our workplaces and our relationships as well. And so one of my guiding ethics as a feminist therapist is the you know, the the word credibility. And every person that walks through my door and gives me the honor of sitting across from me and allowing me to witness their experience and understand their distress or their despair, the first thing I do is extend credibility. And I and I believe that's trauma-informed as well. And so what that means is I'm, as I begin to understand the symptoms that they begin to explain, there's two things that I'll say to myself, and sometimes explicitly call these out in the room as well. What you're doing, you have a reason or what you're feeling, there's a reason, and the reason is good. Okay, so that's credibility in practice. That's feminist theory on the ground of, you know, in action in the therapy room. So that's my first assumption. Whatever you're yeah, whatever you're feeling, you have a reason and the reason is good. That doesn't mean we want to accept that. That's not to say someone comes in and says, Chris, I have really extreme anxiety. I can't sleep, I can't eat. And when I begin to understand, you know, what their world is like, I say, Oh, well, yeah, of course. Any reasonable person would feel anxious. Your anxiety makes sense. Good luck with that. Have have a good day. You know, that's not very No.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

So it's I'm hearing it's not just about the validation. Like that may be kind of the first step of it where, okay, so let me let me say back to you what I'm hearing because I think this is like it's fascinating. And again, I've I've got all sorts of my own uh people that I've worked with that are going through my minds, and I'm I'm imagining how I how validating a lot of this would be for them. And and even for myself, like when I think about times where perhaps I felt whatever, right? Like let's go with anxiety. And rather than thinking, oh, there's something like there must be whatever it is, right? Like faulty wiring in my brain, or I'm I'm thinking too much, and that's what's causing the anxiety. Like, I think a lot of the time, the way that our society has built up mental health is that it puts the onus on the individual, that it says that there's something that that individual is doing that's kind of like we try not to blame ourselves necessarily for a mental health, but we kind of say, well, there's something we're doing that's causing it. So if we can change, then maybe we're not gonna feel this way. And what I'm hearing you say is, hold on a second. No, no, it's not that the individual has done something that's created this. It's that they are living in a society that is influencing all of this to happen. And perhaps again, if society was a little bit different, maybe we wouldn't be feeling the symptoms that we are. Is that fair to say?

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Exactly. It really is, you know, a shift of viewpoint from yes, I love what you said, a default wiring to understanding our symptomology as a response to our context. And, you know, we are not, you know, as a feminist therapist and as a psychologist, I am not anti-medication. I am not anti, you know, I believe, you know, uh we can neurobiology is a wonderful thing, but it's it's not dismissing the impact of our context on our distress. So extending that credibility while also thinking, all right, how do I create ways to relieve the anxiety that my client is is currently suffering from? And part of that would be the credibility and bringing attention to spots of brokenness, areas of oppression, these relationships or environments where there are oppressive power dynamics and understanding sometimes our symptoms, whether that is anxiety, whether that is depression, whether that is anger, can be inner advocates to say, hey, something about this relationship, this workplace, this context isn't right for me. And so our symptoms can sometimes be great informants to let us know that something about our context isn't right. So there's opportunity for change on the outside, which does give us more options as opposed to that individualistic situating the problem within the individual, no matter what the problem is.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

Yes. So yeah, the those symptoms are flagging us and saying there's something going on here. Pay attention. It's like a smoke alarm that's going off, right? There's something that's going on. We need to now look around our environment and figure out what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

That may be influencing these symptoms. Yeah, exactly. So good. Exactly. I've never used that metaphor, Jess, and I will from here on in. Awesome. I love that. It's perfect. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

So, okay, so let's go back to what's happening in a therapy session. When somebody comes in for feminist therapy, I imagine they tell you about what they're struggling with. You get their history. I imagine just like any other therapy, right? Like we need to make sure that we understand what's going on for the person. And then what would be the steps from there? Like what would like session two, session three, session 10, like what would you be doing in your sessions?

SPEAKER_02 12:53

Absolutely. It there's um totally understanding the context and getting a really deep understanding of what that distress or what that symptomology is like for our clients is deeply important. That is my my first priority, is a deep understanding. And we're going to look outside. We're going to find out, we're going to identify both resources and what that smoke alarm may be alerting us to. There are real, there's two words that are a part of my goals for clients. Like I had said, my goal for every person is that they would have the freedom of movement to live the life that they intend to live. And what we need there is agency and autonomy. So as I get to know the person who's sitting across from me, I'm looking at opportunities both that exist and both that maybe we can create for them to have agency in their lives. That would be both internally and externally. And we can see now, this is such a lovely foyer into how feminist therapy really doesn't often work as a standalone, but works as an informant or as a foundation for other paradigms. If I'm looking at agency, I may then start to draw on some of those DBT skills. So what's getting in the way of my person's agency to be able to have peace and calm in their inner world? Well, we might start to draw in our DBT distress tolerance or some of those other skills. So you're looking at feminist theory working alongside our already existing paradigms. And you know, another example, feminist therapy is not an intervention for trauma. And I like to be clear about that. So I am EMDR trained and I use that approach in working with folks that do have trauma to address that. But that doesn't mean I put my feminist theory on a shelf and go, oh, okay, so you've got trauma. Feminist therapy is not going to help you. I'm going to switch over and be that EMDR therapist. But feminist therapy informing everything I do, in particular, the questions that I'm asking and the targets that I'm beginning to formulate. By that I mean we're going to use feminist theory to inform what we're going to process in our trauma therapy. So we're not using trauma therapy as sedation or furthering symptoms of oppression. But we're going to, like you had said, position some of that the catalyst for distress where it should be positioned, sometimes in the environment, not in the individual. So feminist therapy informing all the questions that I ask, how I understand how problems were created, and that's informing my interventions, whether that's EMDR, ART, or any of our other wonderful interventions for trauma.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

I love that. Yeah, I think about it as almost like it's the foundation that you place first. And then we are placing the other therapy models on top of that foundation, and that the feminist therapy or theory foundation is what is going to keep everything else quite sturdy so that those other models are going to be as effective as it can possibly be. That's beautifully said.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

Couldn't have said it better myself. It is the foundation that informs both, you know, how I employ interventions, what questions I'm asking, and how I'm situating problems. So, you know, looking for areas of agency, looking for opportunities where the people sitting across from me have been pushed into oppressive power dynamics and healing those while looking for opportunities to disrupt them. And of course, that disruption has to begin with the relationship that I'm in that's playing out in real time. As a therapist, I have to acknowledge the power dynamic that is inherent, you know, quote, I'm the expert, but I have to hold that and do my best to disrupt that in real time. So my client feels they are in a more egalitarian relationship with me. They are in control of their treatment, they have a voice in their treatment. Informed consent is something that is alive and well. It's not just a checklist that you get when you, you know, make your first appointment, but there will be an informed consent playing out at numerous points of time in every conversation, whether that looks like proposing to my person, okay, I'm I'm very transparent. I talk about my process. And I will often say to someone, well, here's how I'm conceptualizing this. And here are our options. We could look at perhaps bringing in some tools. We can look at some, you know, behavior activation that may bring down the severity of your symptoms, or we can look at a deep dive and going into bringing some healing to those old wounds. But I understand that neither intervention may be appropriate. The right thing at the wrong time is the wrong thing. And I deeply trust my clients. I have such a trust in their knowing about what they need. So I will say, what do you need right now? How can I be of help? Are we going to look at what we can just do to make life a little bit more easy to cope? Or do you have an interest or a curiosity and then the capacity and the support to do that deep dive into trauma processing? So informed consent being such an alive thing in feminist therapy at every point, sometimes, you know, with every question. Or, you know, a question might sound like, can I share how I'm thinking about what you've said? Is that helpful? Knowing that where we are in our nervous system activation may affect whether we want to hear or whether we just need to continue to share in order, you know, to expand our emotional literacy, bring down an amygdala activation, bring down that nervous system activation so that we can actually have our executive functioning on board where we can actually hear what our therapist is saying. So that negotiation is the disruption of the power dynamic that therapy is a part of in real time.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Absolutely. Yeah. I think that a lot of therapies, unfortunately, are a bit uh colonial in the sense that it's historically been the therapist is the authority figure and the client is there to listen to the therapist. And it can take away a person's agency when you're kind of as a client, you're looking to your therapist to make all of your decisions for you. And I think as a field of mental health professionals, I think we are starting to move more in the direction of listening to, I'm gonna use DBT language for a second, but listening to somebody's wise mind. Like, what do they think? What does their inner wisdom say would be the best next step for them? And having it be more collaborative and less like it's kind of like a patient-client model. Uh, so I really I love what you're saying. And I actually I'm sitting here feeling a little pleased with myself in the sense I'm like, I think I'm doing a lot of those things already, which is so lovely. Cause again, I came into this conversation saying I don't really know a lot about feminist theory or therapy. And some of the things that you're saying, Chris, I'm like, yeah, like I think it's just it's so important, right? That it's a non hierarchical experience when people walk in, that we're just two people having a conversation and our role. is to be able to help guide them, but it's not necessarily to tell them what to do.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

Absolutely. And that was my hope for this conversation that you that you, Jess, and other folks would go, oh, like I can't start a, you know, a deep dive into learning how to practice feminist therapy. But to recognize it's not as scary as it sounds. And if we are client-centered and if we are acknowledging power dynamics and systems of oppression and the colonization of mental health by, you know, this expert power over position that you've been doing it all along. You just didn't know that you were. Who knew? Seriously.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

That is awesome. Well there's so much more to it though than just that. Like I don't want to minimize because it's I imagine that the the therapy and the theory, right? That gets there's depth there. So I also just want to acknowledge that like not minimizing and saying like, oh all you know all clinicians who are collaborative are doing that because that's not the case. There's so much more to the theory and then how we actually apply the therapy than that.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

It's true. And it might even really be kind of that intentionality or that explicit recognition of what we're doing, what the methods we're employing and why we're doing that. You know, so I am collaborative or I'm stopping in the middle of my session to say, hey, you know, am I on track? Is this what you hoped for? Was this what you really needed? Are we talking about what's important to you? My intention is that in that question is to put the agency of the therapeutic treatment, put my client back in the driver's seat because I'm on purpose trying to disrupt the pre-existing oppressive power relationship between psychologist and client.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

Yeah. I always think about therapy as being a microcosm that what happens in the therapy room is representative of what may happen in other people's, like in their lives. And that if we can start to make changes to how interactions go in the therapy office, then the hope is that that's going to generalize out to the rest of life as well. So what we decide to do in the the interactions, the dynamics that we have as therapist and client, yeah, for better or for worse, right? Like we are we're teaching our clients how to show up in the rest of their life.

SPEAKER_02 24:33

Absolutely. And you know if I'm noticing I have a client perhaps from a context whether that's they're a woman whether that means they're from a minority sexual orientation or whatever their social positioning is, if I'm trying to identify ways for them to speak up and use their voice and take up space in their world yet they come in with a suggestion or an idea or maybe they say Chris no that's not what I want or I disagree with you and I stand in my power and I say well I'm the psychologist. I've got the years of experience and training I'm the expert in this that feels very counterproductive. You're totally right I want to I want my therapy room to be a safe space for us to be able to practice our intentions for living that are able to translate into the world and that's how we affect change.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

Yeah absolutely you've answered a lot of this but I just want to make sure that we're speaking to something just really clearly if someone's listening to this and they are interested in in feminist therapy how would you say it would help them? Like if they were to go and seek feminist therapy or someone at least who is informed by feminist theory what do you think the results of that would be I love that.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

And so feminist therapy as that foundation and as a part of a therapist's palette that's kind of how I I visualize my work I hold an artist's palette in my hand and I have all these little you know those little holes or those little pockets for different colors of paint feminist therapy being one of the colors that I use to to paint an integrative approach that is tailored towards the person sitting across from me but is very well positioned to address a number of concerns not just women not just folks who who would resonate with having experienced oppression but we are talking about abuse we are talking about body image eating disorders we are talking about anxiety we're talking about relationships or attachment we're talking about PTSD or any mood fluctuations um sleep disorders so there's a a huge range of concerns or symptomology that feminist therapy would be very well positioned to ask those questions an example I often use which can kind of highlight how a feminist therapist may be different from a medical model whether that's your family doctor or or another therapist or psychologist working you know who's a bit more aligned with that medical model the internalization of problems missing that element of contextual understanding but let's say there's a woman she's in her early 50s she comes in to her family doctor psychiatrist whomever and reports all of these things that we would understand as depression. So meeting all that DSM criteria so she's uh has a uh quite a severe loss of appetite she is not sleeping well she's lost interest she's no longer attending her social gatherings she's withdrawn from friends and family she doesn't have uh the ability to feel hope or optimism towards the future I mean check check check check check all of them it would not be unethical for a family doctor to say well yeah you've you've met all those criteria i'm I'm happy to prescribe a psychopharmaceutical that will relieve your distress and again caveat I believe that our psychopharmaceuticals are important tools that help us interrupt that experience of suffering I love our family doctors and I love being part of a care team where that can be on the table if needed. However, so our woman says okay thank you doctor and goes along her merry way. If she were to come into my office the conversation would look a little bit different and perhaps I would come to understand that perhaps she's a lesbian. She works in a mechanic shop in a you know predominantly male-dominated field. She is experiencing chronic harassment due to her gender and due to her sexual orientation on a daily basis. That's where we can start to see that credibility come into play right away. Of course she's depressed that symptom is a response we would expect no reasonable human to show up to work on a daily basis and be harassed and victimized and hurt and verbally assaulted without experiencing some distress so at first I'm going yes that makes so much sense and I'm so sorry you are experiencing that and might we bring in that uh team member that family doctor if that's what's required let's do that but in the meantime or alongside let's put words to your experience let's understand what that fire alarm I'm using a metaphor Jessica's it was so good um what fire alarm is alerting us to what you're experiencing what you're subjected to is so wrong and sometimes even situating the problem in that context can create enough of a relief that that woman might go whoa whoa whoa wait a second I'm not broken this environment is broken that okay you know and immediately begin to experience relief that next session and and following maybe we're looking at opportunities for for self-advocacy maybe she will speak up after a safety assessment has been done you know maybe that environment maybe that work environment is safe maybe there's an HR maybe there's a manager maybe there's a colleague that we can recruit as an ally maybe not so we're gonna do that environmental safety assessment but if there are opportunities maybe we do that and maybe it's just a permission and a validation to that woman you do not need to suffer you do not need to be treated this way it is not a personal failure if you leave your place of work let's look at other options. So always trying to situate the problem appropriately and then look for opportunities where that human can affect change for themselves with that therapist recruited as an ally and as a partner in their agency.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

Yes as an ally right we're not there again we're not there to say what to do it's not a position of authority where we're uh we don't it's not about having the ability to to say the person this is the direct path to being able to make these changes instead it's that ally position of I'm with you I see you I see the problems let's figure this out you can figure this out absolutely you can figure this out and I have so much trust in your knowing about what those options that are available to you are. Yeah I think that empowerment goes a long way I've got a few people in my mind as you're talking about that where I think some of the most powerful moments have been meeting with folks who they come in, they tell me their scenario and the environment has essentially convinced them that they're the problem. Sometimes some really egregious words have been used like they feel like they're crazy. Oh I I feel like crazy is a swear word to me.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

Like I it really makes me upset when I hear people being called crazy and they but they internalize that and they come in and they think that that's actually the case and then I listen to their story and I'm like anybody else in your position if they were going through what you're going through would be feeling the same way that you are they'd be acting the same way that you are and they'd be thinking the same way that you are absolutely right like how often does that happen in therapy so often 100% it's true and some of these things you know when we step outside and we you know from from an objective viewpoint and we look at this woman from from the scenario that I just which is totally fictional but um but we'd say oh kind of of course but you're so right Jess that sometimes the tools of oppressive power dynamics and the tools of oppression are effective they work sometimes they really do get inside and we do internalize them and we really believe that there's something fundamentally wrong with us and that is devastating to me and that's the role of the feminist therapist to to say oh you know okay so you've come to see me about a panic disorder you're having panic attacks at work or you're having panic attacks every time you you go to family dinner on Sunday afternoon oh my friend your panic um this is another caveat I hold people's symptoms with such respect yeah you know if someone comes in and they're talking about the panic that they experience every Sunday when they go to their family gathering I express my explicit respect for that panic. I've said oh I can see how much your panic loves you it's saying get out of here leave go this is you're being hurt you're being disrespected you're being oppressed you're being violated you're being trespassed my love your panic is is a lifeline your panic believes that you don't deserve that even if your brain is telling you oh we're just broken you know and and and begins to believe all of those lies that the oppressive system has told you your panic knows different your panic is your advocate your panic knows that you deserve to be loved and cherished let's listen to your panic oftentimes those symptoms are telling a story right they're telling us what's going on and if we listen to them then frequently we can get to the root of what's happening and from there change can occur absolutely you've said it and that's the difference between a feminist therapist's approach to a symptom you know holding that symptom you know extending credibility to the symptom um a desire to understand what the symptom is on behalf of understanding what that system is alerting us to versus let's just make it go away. Yeah put a band-aid over it yeah yeah absolutely Chris is there anything else that you think would be important for us to touch on on the topic of feminist therapy anything that we've missed I think we've done a nice job of of comprehensively kind of understanding those tenants understanding of what it would look like and maybe just a final note uh to folks feminist therapy is an inclusive approach which means it is appropriate for anyone of any gender of any age group of any political orientation what it may invite us into some curiosity about our own social positioning that's a possibility as I say that very Jeff may be asked to understand how we contribute to the systems of oppression myself not excluded right I I have to as a therapist recognize the ways like we've talked about mental health has contributed to the oppression of power under folks you know of our clients but so there may be an invitation to explore how how your way being and and maybe um some power dynamics where you're the power over in your relationships but it is not an exclusive therapy that's only available for women that's only available for you know folks from a particular political paradigm it's not as scary as it sounds if you want to be an activist I love that for you but you will not leave my office with a sign you do not need to burn your bra. You don't right exactly you're not converting people to yeah some sort of thing that they're not wanting to do or ready for yeah exactly if you want to I love that for you but it is much more about the decolonization and really using that critical eye towards things that are assumed you know these power dynamics whether it's colonialism or ableism or racism or sexism they are so ingrained they are the water that we're swimming in it's so hard to see them. And it benefits all folks to be able to notice that water notice the context that we're in because when we notice it we can change it yeah we can't it's it's very challenging to change things that we're not aware of awareness would be the first step.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

Absolutely wow this has been a beautiful conversation I've learned a lot I've sat back here if you could see me I've just been like vigorously nodding be like aha uh like I totally I agree with so much of what you've said and there's pieces of this that I'm going to take back into my own practice and make sure that I'm bringing intention to because I think that is really important that each of us do what we can in order to be able to help to cultivate the society that we want to be living in.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

Absolutely well it's it's been an absolute pleasure and I appreciate it's my absolute favorite thing when folks from very different paradigms can come together and realize I believe we have so much more in common than we do differently. We have like you said these individual pieces of the puzzle that can you know bring a specific focus or a specific intention but I believe that all roads lead to Rome. We all wish for more health and peace in the inner world for our community members, for the people that we work with for our families and for our world and it's such a joy to speak with you coming from the DBT world and to find all these common paths guided by the same ethics guided by the same values and it's it's just my favorite thing in the world Jess.

SPEAKER_00 42:06

Yeah yeah many more similarities than differences which is so lovely to be able to say Chris where can people find you if after listening to this episode they would like to explore feminist therapy with you or EMDR or any of the things that you that you do where can they locate you?

SPEAKER_02 42:23

I'm located in Northwest Calgary my website is just playbackpsychology.ca You can Google me I have a bit of an odd spelling to my name but I'm sure you'll have that up but playbackpsychology.ca is my website I'm supported by a wonderful team where we do have some sliding scale options some low-cost therapy options we work with folks on any therapy schedule so short term long term we offer intensives so for folks that have kind of an urgent or quite um an important trauma concern to address we can work with that and we really center your resources your schedule your family needs to to meet you where you're at and it's just such an honor to work in my community so I'm here in downtown Calgary and you can find me online and yeah love that so much.

SPEAKER_00 43:30

Thank you Chris again this has been absolutely phenomenal and thank you to everybody who's listening we'll catch you next episode thanks so much for listening if you found today's episode helpful please go ahead and leave us a review and you can also follow the show so that you don't miss out on any future episodes. For more information about us you can check out our website www.innersolutions.ca