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Forgotten Television - Episode 9 - Beyond The White Shadow: Pitching Our Next Rewatch

July 07, 2026 • Season 1 • Episode 9

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Beyond The White Shadow: Pitching Our Next Rewatch

Carlos and Joe chat about Minnesota’s summer heat and the upcoming Fourth of July weekend, then pivot to sports, with Joe saying he likes a Timberwolves trade that could bring in LaMelo Ball to relieve pressure on Edwards despite sadness over Naz Reid leaving, and both dismissing LeBron-to-Minnesota as unlikely. They then discuss their “Forgotten Television” rewatch of The White Shadow, noting they’ve finished season one and are preparing to dive into season two while reflecting on how their memories of the show differ from what they’re seeing. They brainstorm potential future rewatch topics, including The Rockford Files, St. Elsewhere, MASH, WKRP in Cincinnati, The Six Million Dollar Man, Lou Grant, All in the Family, Match Game, Land of the Lost, Hogan’s Heroes, Cheers, and the short-lived Ball Four, and plan to poll listeners.

00:00 Summer Small Talk
00:50 Timberwolves Trade Talk
01:59 LeBron Rumor Reality Check
03:43 Forgotten Television Setup
04:12 Rockford Files Candidate
05:41 St Elsewhere Memories
08:19 MASH Dramedy Debate
10:30 WKRP And Music Rights
12:38 Six Million Dollar Man Nostalgia
14:48 Lou Grant Mention
15:04 Lou Grant Love
16:02 Newsroom Memories
16:44 All in the Family
18:03 Archie and Meathead
19:43 Match Game Classics
21:48 Land of the Lost
23:17 Hogan's Heroes Deep Dive
27:27 Cheers and Ball Four
30:03 Polls and Next Steps
30:26 White Shadow Season Two
32:16 Wrap Up and Goodbye

SPEAKER_01 0:23

Hey Joe, how are you doing this afternoon?

SPEAKER_00 0:25

I'm good, Carlos. How are you?

SPEAKER_01 0:27

I'm doing really well. Enjoying this little bit of a heat wave we have coming in here as a Minnesotan. I am not going to complain about hot weather.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

No, and it's I'm not a big fan of the heat, but I can handle it for a few months, a couple months, maybe three. But looking forward to that. Looking forward to the 4th of July weekend here.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

So that's it coming up, and then we got we got MBA is over and NHL is over. You are my Timberwolves guru.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Yes. I'm getting nervous.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

And I did not prep you for this. So feel free to say to punt for next week. But what do you think about Nas no longer being a Timberwolf and the Lamella ball era beginning?

SPEAKER_00 1:10

So I'm in the minority that I like the trade. I think we needed to get a point guard in here. I think he will also be able to take the pressure off of Edwards when double teams come, those things too as well. So I'm I'm all for it. The Nasreed leaving, I was as a fan.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

How can you not like him? Right? Yeah. He's just the perfect story. At the same time, you don't build a team around that. And that great piece, but not the piece.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Yeah, and he was he came off the bench for all intents and purposes. And I would tell my wife when we'd watch the games of this last past season that some games he was a swinging gate out there on defense. He could do some really athletic defensive plays, but when trying to keep in front of a guy, sometimes that wasn't so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

And throw some cold water on this from an outside perspective, not an NBA guy. I feel like some of the LeBron talk here in Minnesota is silly. There's no chance he's coming to Minnesota, is there? I don't see it. I don't see it at all.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

The only thing that gives me just to the smidgen of hope, I'm actually in your camp, is that every other power forward that we I could think that we would sign has been signed by somebody else. He's one that's out there. So I don't think it's gonna happen. I think he's gonna end up in Golden State, right? He's not gonna leave California.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

But I I can't imagine. I just but once again, I I would I I look forward to being pleasantly surprised because that would be big. That would be the number one sports story in Minnesota for a long while.

SPEAKER_02 2:42

It would be.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

It would exceed the Brett Favre's plane has landed. The Vikings have sent people to pick him up from the airport. He is now at training camp. If you recall that from what, 10 years ago, 20 years ago? It would be very similar if LeBron were to come to Minnesota, but I don't think it's happening.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Yeah, it's a it's a long shot, but hey, we're a town of long shots, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:05

We are, we are, and you know what? That's the thing. Was it who's the guy that is the brain trust now at Target Center? Is that Connolly?

SPEAKER_00 3:13

Connolly's the general manager, and then you have Alex Rodriguez.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

Okay, yeah, I know the ownership, but at least it seems to me, once again, outsider guy. I don't even listen to talk radio sports, so it's like I'm really just throwing it out there from stuff I've read. But at least it seems like Connolly is he's not striking out with the bat on the shoulder. You know, he's out there trying to know he's perfect, but he's out there trying. You know, and that's all you can ask for an ownership.

SPEAKER_00 3:37

Yeah, he's doing the Wayne Gretzky thing, right? You miss 100% of the shots you don't uh take.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Yep, absolutely. But uh Forgotten Television, The White Shadow. We completed season one.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Correct.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

And before we move on for the rest of the seasons, we were going to start having preliminary discussions today about what shows might come next after we finish up with The White Shadow.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Yeah. And The White Shadow's been good. I've actually am three show episodes deep into episode two, so boy, am I coming to grips with my memory and my history of both shows. But other shows too. I think the one that has been m most requested by my group, friends of group, my friends, and then also the popularity with the new show coming out in January would be the Rockford Files.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

And I know, Carlos, this isn't something that you're so familiar with, so it would be exciting for you to it would be it would be it would be it's one of those shows that I would like to watch.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Here's my only negative on it is there already is a podcast with the best name in the world called $200 a day plus expensive. There you go. So there are, but that's okay. They're gonna have plenty of voices. But like I said, with I think the timing is really ideal, and it's one that I missed, and one that is so beloved by so many people. My understanding of what Jim Rockford was, he was an anti-hero in the 70s. Yeah, not your standard J Edgar Hoover straight laced law enforcement. He was he was a little bit on the fringes of society, and yeah, that would make for a fun watch. I like that idea.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

Yeah, he was uh ex cons because he was found to be not guilty at one particular point in time, and then that's why he's being a PI because obviously not on the force, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

But to me, I don't know. I remember as a kid that 200 bucks a day was expensive, not bad. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 5:20

I mean, yeah, yeah. And but yeah, just if you watch that show, I can still remember particular scenes where you're shocked by that'll be a dollar fifty for that drink, please. Or you know, or fifty cents, I don't even remember, but because that show came out in 73, so that's one. But there's a plethora of ones, Carlos. What's your kind of thought?

SPEAKER_01 5:41

So, you know, one that jumped out at me just because of the incestuousness with the White Shadow is St. Elsewhere. Yeah. I did watch St. Elsewhere when I was a kid. Actually, you know what? It was I have a distinct memory of being a freshman at St. Thomas and having my theology teacher shout out to Father Dr. Richard Sparks. He said, You know what? I work for the doctorate, you're gonna call me both. But he walks into class one day whistling the theme to St. Elsewhere. It just stuck in my memory. But great performances and and great topics. And we have the cameo of our man Coolidge, who ends up in Boston and working at the hospital. And he uh we we've already mentioned his his brief encounter with Goldstein, Salami Salami, Salami on the elevator, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Yeah, and yeah, and that would be a good one too at some point in time because I have never watched St. Elsewhere.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

It's very good, and it had some very serious topics and some great actors.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

Yeah, and like some actors that have now long passed away, too. But some interesting scenes, like I remember, at least I'm aware of the one scene where the doctor pulls his pants down, and uh we won't go any more into that, but that was an interesting bit of teaching.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Actor David Morse. Um, I don't know if you're David Morse, he's he actually has a really serious arc where he they're doing uh there's an episode where he's out of prison doctoring and there's a riot and he is raped.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

And so it's and then obviously you had Hartman, oh god, who's the NCIS guy? I'm not saying former quarterback.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

No, I know who you're talking about. Yeah, I forget his name too.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

But he was on the show, he his character, he was uh ladies' man on the show, and he ends up contracting aids, and so there's a lot of serious plot points, but there's a lot of fun too. The Habahwee Mandel, one of my favorite character actors of all time, going back to Animal House, Steven First, plays an amazing, amazingly fun character on there. And then just happening to see via social media, William Daniels. Oh, yeah, he and his wife are still alive, and they were both on that show.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

He was in some teen shows like past our time.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

I for like how Boymeats World, he was the on Boy Meets World, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Yeah, and it was just like, and then he was also the voice of Kit.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Yeah. Oh wow! I did not know that.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Yeah, he was in that was the name of that show. It was Nightwriter. Yeah, yeah, that was interesting.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

The other one I kind of got what else one I have is serious too.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

But we'll try to get to the lighter shows here in a bit, but MASH is a classic show that I think a lot of people have no idea, but have good memories of MASH who for those who are the reality is it was probably about it was the the first dramedy, maybe because it was definitely not comedy, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 8:38

It was it plenty of comedy fodder, great characters, but also a very serious plot because it's a war.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

Exactly. And as it went on, it got more serious as opposed to when it first started, too, as well. And there's also interesting side stories, right? The guy who played Colonel Blake, yes, he was the big big star and he was in in MASH, but he decided that he was gonna take the leap and leave MASH to take to go and do his own television show called Hello Larry.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Hello Larry, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

Where he was the DJ in, I think, Phoenix, maybe, or New Mexico, I can't remember. And that show didn't last so long, but he never did come back to the show.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

Do you know do you know what his next job was after Hello Larry was canceled?

SPEAKER_00 9:23

I do not.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

He was one of the announcers for the USFL when it launched. Really? That's his post-Hello Larry's, and that did not go well. But I have to tell you, probably if we were, maybe we'll do this at some point. But the top five most powerful TV moments of my life is radar going into the surgery room and announcing that Henry Blake's chopper killed and there were no sur crashed and there were no survivors. Apparently, I think Alan Alda was the only one that was new that scene was coming. Because they threw it on at the end of the show, right? And he was the plot of the show was he was leaving, right? He was leaving the show and got on the chopper, and we're gonna have the new. It's not Henry, Henry Blake was the new guy. It was oh god, I can't.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Potter.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Colonel Potter Potter was the new guy. Henry Blake was the old one. Yeah, yeah. So that was McLean Stevenson. So, but yeah, so but it's just when he when Gary Burgoff as radar reads that, it's really powerful. It is you can tell he's feeling emotion as he reads it. So, you know, thumbs up for Mash. I'm gonna throw one out there, far more lighter fare, yeah, but huge show, so much fun as part of my youth. But WKRP in Cincinnati.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

Oh, that was I I love that show. I mean, no one in our generation when Thanksgiving comes around, not think of WKRP.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

Yeah, and what's sad about that show is it's not as well known because it never made a life on streaming or digital or DVD because of music rights.

SPEAKER_00 10:58

Oh, yeah, because they had DJs.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

I mean, they and so then what comes out is Dr. Johnny Fever is not laying down the needle on Led Zeppelin, instead, it's some music creation that kills it. The other shows, one that took forever to get on DVD, uh, Wonder Years. Wonderful. Apparently, and it's an area of the law that I've never engaged in, but clearing music for TV and film is apparently the greatest nightmare the world has ever seen. It's a huge problem.

SPEAKER_00 11:32

Yeah, and I WKRP was just funny, and again, beautiful bombshell woman from Minnesota. Let's all put it out there.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Bonnie, and but you know, I'm sorry, but I'm Team Bailey quarters all the way.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Yep, there's uh there's another the quiet the quiet beauty one, right? And uh but just all those characters, like I always liked Herb Tarlick, but also was repulsed by Herb Tarlic.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

You should be. He was the he was the salesman in the loud in the loud plaid coat. Yeah, and I've known Les Nessman's such a classic character, and it's a joke I still tell to this day. Les Nessman is doing the sporting news and he goes, golfer Chai Robergues.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Yeah. And then I just remember, and I haven't obviously seen the show for a number of years, but the sports guy, he had those weird ties, not like with a knot, but it was just kind of like the bolo ties. It was a big thick tie, but it just but it didn't have a knot. And that's what I'd like to revisit.

SPEAKER_01 12:27

Huh. Interesting. It's almost like uh I don't know what they call those scar. Yeah, I'm thinking Charles Nelson Riley.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Wait, is that you got any more for us?

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Oh yeah, I got there are I'm gonna go with kind of maybe not I don't know if you'd call it a drama, not certainly not a comedy, but another big one in my youth was the six million dollar man.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

So that one was a show that for me it was one that I would make sure that I watched, and then obviously TV, yeah. Bionic Woman.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

The spin-off. And actually, remember that there was a bionic dog. There was a bionic dog.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

I may have I've trailed off by that point, but if you put me on it It wasn't a separate show, it was a character on Bionic Woman, but and then there's the classic episode too. I don't know if you recall, but Bigfoot versus Bionic Man was an episode that they wow, that's that escapes my memory, but uh one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

That one's great, and then every male, because I believe that women are too smart to be this stupid, but every man I know would do the slow motion sound and movement for when they become bionic. It's it it is mentally etched in the Gen X brain.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

So I can still remember to this day that I was disappointed, and I don't know why, because what I don't know why I was emotionally invested in it, that the six million dollar man and the bionic woman couldn't be didn't because she lost her memory in one episode and didn't know him, and she fell in love with her doctor, and it would just I was it was it did not sit well with me for whatever reason back then.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

I had a complex relationship with the six million dollar man because my first wife was going to be Christy McNichol, but then Lee Garrett jumped in. And so I kind of had my eye on Farrah Fawcett, and sadly, uh the six million dollar man, what is it, Lee Merriweather?

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

No, is that his name, Lee Merriweather?

SPEAKER_00 14:27

No, for the uh who played that role. Yeah, I forget her name.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

Oh no, I'm talking about who played who played Steve Austin.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Oh, goodness. The guy and he was also starting an 80s show about a stunt man.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Yes, yes, yeah. We should do better research. But, anyways, I always I he was married to Farah, and so I was like, oh damn, another rival.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

Oh, that's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

But I was not bionic, so I really didn't stand much of a chance. Um I am gonna throw out there one that I absolutely adored, and this may be because I watched it with my dad, but also because I had a small little crush on the female lead, and that is the Lou Grant show. Oh yeah, yeah, and I'm talking about Linda Kelsey, who's a little padded reporter, who I think is local here, local to I think Wisconsin, because she was on WCCO News oh, about 20 years ago for about five five years or so doing personality pieces. But that show was so great that was Lou Grant leaves the Twin Cities instead of Mary and now he's a newsroom for a newspaper, city editor. And and this is post Watergate, where I think every other application to college was to be a journalism student, and these were these were gonna be the cutting edge. I don't I don't think people today realize the relationship that the world has with media now versus what it was in the 70s. That was the fourth estate, it would be we're the ones who will get justice for the people kind of stuff. And so I like I liked it. I liked I loved the character Lou Grant. I loved Ed Asner as a person and as an actor, and so I will throw a vote on Lou Grant.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Yeah, Lou Grant is a strange thing for me. I watched it as well, and to this day I have a very distinct memory of one scene from that show where they hire a older woman reporter after coming off of motherhood, I believe, and something big happens in the newsroom, and they're going, Where did Mary go? I sent her out to do this story about a church. And uh when she finally comes back, they said, Where were you? She said, I was up in the attic looking at the bell and trying to find a hook for this lame story that you gave me, like a true report, you know, or something to that. I just for whatever reason that's that stuck with me. That's funny. But yeah, Lou Granton and the kind of the balding guy who sat next to him was kind of a team character. Yep. So yeah. Let's see, for me too, we one of the ones that maybe that kind of started it all in terms of long term and taking on social issues would be All in the Family.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

All in the Family is a great show.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

So comedy, but also serious topics taking on.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

And also, wow, if we thought there were some uncomfortable moments in the White Shadow, buckle up.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Yeah, yeah. Carol O'Connor is Archie Bunker.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

Probably watched one, a couple of them over the last five, ten years, and holy cow. Wow. Like I there's going to be significant parts of the show that I am not gonna be Michael Scott and recreate it thinking I'm funny. I'm just not gonna say it. Just not gonna say it. But what a show. And I think I don't know if I've mentioned it to you before, but to me, it's probably one of the most powerful things I've ever seen. There was an episode where Edith was raped. Oh my god. It was probably one of the and when you have she's trying to escape. It is it's disturbing, you know what I mean? Because you we know this character, and she's like literally fighting for her life. Once again, back in the 70s, the line between comedy and drama was not very fine.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Yeah, because I remember it as a comedy too. Do you remember the scene where Archie and the dummy, as he would call his son-in-law, uh played by Rob Reiner, they were gonna get up early and go on a hunting trip or something like that. And Rob Reiner put his shoes on and socks on one at a time.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

And then it was this whole comedic scene about why are you putting them one at a time as opposed to both socks on and two shoes on. And but yeah, so it's really incongruous with that.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

I'm wondering if that isn't one of part of the same scene I saw where for whatever reason Archie and Meadhead are in the same room, and Meadhead has a method of getting into a bed, which is you don't undo a corner, you just kind of get to the top and wiggle your way down. And then Archie is, what are you doing? He goes, This way I got all covered. He's what if there's a fire? And then something happened, and Meadhead couldn't get out of the bed quick enough, and he goes, Archie, right. So I don't know if it was that same one, but I'm like going, Oh my god, it's so good, and I'd forgotten, right? I'd like I knew the stereotypical stuff, but man, they were brilliant playing off each other.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

And we know that, and I've been there because I went and see it, I have a picture of it too, is the Archie Bunker chair is at the Smithsonian.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Yeah. I don't think when it was this was 30, 40 years ago. Smithsonian was at the St. Paul Civic Center, I think, at the time. And I don't think Archie Bunker's chair made the traveling exhibit. I think the mash sign did, because that's another one that is Smithsonian worthy, is uh Toledo and all the mash sign is what we go.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

I think though, yeah, those are all good choices. I've yet what about you? I'll try not to be so serious. I feel like I'm taking the serious.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

You know what? I am actually gonna go a couple of I'm gonna go out in left field. Go to um'sunderpressure.substack.com to see the origin of the term out in left field. Just wrote about that today. But, anyways, I am gonna select one of my favorite shows. I will always stop if I am going past it, and that is Match Game with Gene Rayburn. And one of the reasons that show is so fun, apparently they seeded the cast with alcohol as much as possible. Apparently they filmed like a week's worth like in an afternoon, and they got them all liquored up. And then I just I'm a Gene Rayburn's long skinny microphone. Yeah. You've got the Richard Dawson first becomes America's beloved game show guy. You have Charles Nice and Riley and Brett Summers and Fanny Flagg, and it was just classic for me. Once again, we all imprint on different stuff, but for me it was game show.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

I agree. And that was I've watched at least two or three episodes in the last year.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

Yeah, and it's compelling. I don't know why. It's a silly little guy. The premise is actually good. Fill in the blanks.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Yeah. But what's more intriguing to me when I watch it, it's like, all right, who's that celebrity? Yeah. I haven't thought of Nipsey Russell in 40 years. Nipsey Russell, yes. And some of these other ones, Charles Nelson Riley. What was this guy's background?

SPEAKER_01 21:13

You know, exactly. How did he become a guy? And then people decide that he's a cornerstone feature. I've thought of that also on Hollywood Squares. I don't know why I just did it ever connected with Hollywood Squares as as much as I did with Match Game, but for Match Game, and of course there was the ooh, we're gonna rebrand it and call it Match Game 75.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

One of the troubles with the rewatch is it maybe, although no one watches, I think that it would be the kind of show that you just take a little dip in and taste. So I don't think not being able to do that. Yeah, I don't think you're gonna be able to find every episode. So that's one. I'll throw another one out there as long as I'm out in left field here. And one, I think I talked to you very early on, and this was actually my first choice for a rewatch podcast. And I asked my wife if she would watch it, do it with me. And sure, direct. What was that's a stupid idea? And we even watched one show together, and it was Land of the Lost.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

So that was it a Saturday morning? Saturday afternoon?

SPEAKER_01 22:10

It was a Saturday morning cartoon. It was a family that is whitewater rafting and somehow ends up in a time portal, and now there are lizard people, and it it's like a brother and a sister and a dad, who in season two, the dad becomes the uncle. I don't know how they did that swap. And then I always you shouldn't do to people that are mean, like my wife, mention that slea stack scared me because now she'll come up and they'll she'll do that slea stack sound like behind me. So I like Land of the Lost. It's cute, it's it's very light fair.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

I wouldn't yeah, I wouldn't mind watching that. I do recall watching it, but I don't have any memory of it. But I do remember the opening scene.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

But in that H.R. Puffin stuff style, where it's like how much you have to think to yourself, how many drugs were they doing when they created this? Land of the Lost has a little bit of that feel, but with uh throw-in cheesy bad sci-fi production values, and then you've got Land of the Lost.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

I think that's good. I have two comedies that I'll mention here would be the one I think I'd like to revisit since probably I didn't catch as hardly anything when I was young, but Hogan's Heroes. Oh in the last White Shadow episode, the one where the social worker in the mainstreaming episode, she was a character on Hogan's Heroes. And uh but I always found that funny. I saw the original movie, the serious movie that Hogan's Heroes was based on. But Hogan's Heroes was a very comedic all the time.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

It was. I was a huge Hogan's Heroes watcher, and once again, it probably is, depending upon at what point you started watching TV when you got home from school and what the reruns were at that time, what imprints on you. I'm not saying it's high art. Yeah, but I want to know so much backstory. The Bob Crane thing is bananas to begin with, but it this has a are you familiar with the plot of the producers?

SPEAKER_00 24:15

I'm not actually off to tell you.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

Okay, so so the idea of the producers is these guys are gonna do a Ponzi scheme and they're gonna get investors in their play. And they're basically gonna sell the play to 50 different people, right? Which most plays don't make any money, so they close after a week, it's bad, oh too bad. But these guys have made 50 times the value of a play, and so they decide we need something that's gonna close once. So they create one like oh yeah, show called Springtime for Hitler.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

And so I kind of have this image of okay, got an idea. We're gonna set it in a prisoner of war camp during World War II, and it'll be a comedy.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Yeah. Taking it from a serious movie that was called Stalog 17.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Yeah. One other element that I will that bodes, I think, a vote from me on this one is at St. Louis Park High School, we had a professor, a teacher named John. I think his first name is John, but his last name was Logering. I had him for a class called Conflict of Values, which I just loved. It was a lot of the stuff they do in the 70s where it's like, okay, you've got to restart a society and you've got a lawyer and a doctor and a farmer and a this who's the least valuable, and it's always the lawyer because you know what I mean? It's you're in survival mode. But he was a pilot in World War II. He was shot down and was in a prisoner of war camp. So he would tell stories about and he was in there for I think a year and a half, and he says, Yeah, no, we for entertainment, we would pick lice off each other. That's having fun. And then he did tell the story about he did get some moldy bread, and so he went on a 30-day acid trip while he was in the prisoner of war camp. So, anyways, it's just that perspective to the comedy, but I love the show. I I love the plots, I love the characters. I watched, you know, a lot of that show.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

I watched it all.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

So two thumbs up for me on on Hogan's Heroes, and it's obscure enough. I think that what people know is the Bob Crane movie, Bob Crane engaged in a alternative lifestyle lifestyle, yeah, and that led to his demise, potentially, but that's all kind of backstory to what else was going on there when you had once again Richard Dawson on our man. There was Hinchlow. Hinchlow, yeah, and there was LeBeau.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

LeBo, yep.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

And Sergeant Schultz and Colonel Clink.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Major Strasher of the Gestapo?

SPEAKER_01 26:42

Gestapo?

SPEAKER_00 26:44

That's how they'd say it.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Yeah. And nobody has ever successfully escaped from Starlight that too.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Who was Hinch the African American guy?

SPEAKER_01 26:54

He was the black dude, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:55

Yeah. And then I'm just trying, I can't remember the guy who was kind of LeBeau's buddy. Carter Carter.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

John Carter. I don't know if it was John, but it was Carter, and he was the, I don't know, a country bumpkin kind of a guy.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Yep. And but and then there was the general. I forget his name.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

General Bulcoulter.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

That's it. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Sadly, once again, why is that taking up real estate in my brain? And I couldn't help my wife find her keys earlier.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

And then Yeah. And yeah, the Hogan's Hero is coming to the fore. Maybe we'll see how that goes. And then the one for me in the 80s, where I became, as I got older, didn't have much time to watch TV, but the post news 1030-11 slot for many years here in Minnesota was taken over by Cheers.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Okay, sure.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

And so Cheers was I remember when they try to take it off channel, they had people the people in the backyard during the weather would be chanting, bring back cheers. Bring back cheers. But I like Cheers, that was a great show. And that's another one that sort of could be one that we could potentially do too as well.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

I love Cheers.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

I'm gonna throw another one out here, and there's gonna be like I there's zero chance we'll be able to find the episodes, but I just read the book. Jim Bouten was a pitcher in the Major League book about his experience in the late 60s and early 70s called Ball 4.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

And it was and he was accused of breaking the code. He didn't really tell any other secrets other than ball players are normal human beings with normal desires and wants and foibles like everybody else. But they made a very short-lived, and I believe it lasted less than 10 episodes in 1974 or 76 called Ball 4. So it'd be fun to see what they did with that for a show that would have died. Once again, we've got a lot of options here. Some that would mash would take us until 2028. Other ones where I think we could do one show on something like Ball 4 or one show on the match game.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

And cover it. I could see this going a lot of different ways. I'm not sure. A lot of these ideas excite me. Because it's like when first of all, I'd want to watch all these shows. I don't want to pick something I don't want to watch.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Yeah. So I think those are good. I think too that we should interspersed, like once we get through the white shadow, we could do a short one on the match game, I think makes sense. You speak of Jim Bowton.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

I never read Ball 4, but I read his follow-up book about like Pocono's baseball. I forget the name of the book. And I was really impressed with it. And I think there were some sort of things left hanging at that end of that book that weren't resolved at the end. So I emailed Jim Bowton.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

And he responded. Uh goes back many years now. I think it would have been maybe the like 2005, 2006. And I don't remember the nature of the exchange at that point. But he was he was I think he's passed away now. But but I just remember really being impressed with this book about it was like the Catskills kind of baseball league. I forget where it was. Yeah. But it was it was good. But yeah. But no. But yeah, I think that once we get through the with the White Shadow, I think there's a we can break it up a little bit and do other things because we could do shorter episodes unlike other shows that aren't didn't last that long. So I think that's always a good idea. But it and of course, all of our listeners let us know what you think.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

We'll create some polls and stuff. I think that between you and I, Joe, I think we can summarize what we got, maybe rank it a little bit and then throw a poll up and see what people think. But pretty much every show that you and I mentioned, I'd be like, I'll watch. I'm game for watching and talking about that. You stay already stated a ton of opinions about some of the shows, so I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to next week, diving into season two of The White Shadow.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

Yeah, three episodes deep, and the memory, the third show for me is the most memorable. I that's when I remember, but some things, man, it's just like really still, but it's good.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

I cannot get into what was in my brain at 14 and 15. You know what I mean? I don't I think the reality is there's not a lot of prefrontal cortex thinking. I think there was a fair amount of worried about whatever sport season was in. Exactly. I think it was whatever obligations I had from a family standpoint. I wasn't quite working yet. There was definitely I'd started to notice that there were girls in school, and so that took a tremendous amount of my brain power. But what might have been going through my mind while I watched an episode of The White Shadow, I don't know. And once again, I don't remember a lot of what we've seen, and what I do remember, I feel like we haven't come across yet. Because I remember the show was about Coolidge in my brain, and that that was probably we've discussed last week. This was not a Coolidge centered season one.

SPEAKER_00 31:33

No, and even in the first couple episodes of season two, Jackson is uh he's he's for front and center in some of these pieces, yeah. And then Reese obviously makes a return too as well.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

But in my brain, I always thought of the guy who was the spokesperson for the team as Heywood. Yes, he was to me, he always seemed like the I don't know why. But the brains of the operation are the one that would have the most that Reeves could get a hold of, and then that he could get a hold of the team. He was the conduit. And so I really like that actor. I can't remember his name, but but yeah, very, very compelling actor. And so, yeah, excited to dive into the white shadow with you next week, and excited to see what people might have to say about our ideas for future episodes.