Tired of “Tiptoeing”

There's a particular kind of tired that sleep doesn't fix. 

It's the tired that comes from years of monitoring — your words, your tone, your timing. From calculating how much of yourself is safe to show before someone else becomes uncomfortable. From making yourself the variable in every room so that everything around you stays steady. 

It's exhausting. And most of us have been doing it so long we forgot it was a choice. 

In this episode, Nicole Morris sits down with Heidi Pearson, Founder of Pearson PR Consulting, to explore what chronic self-monitoring actually looks like in the lives of high-functioning women — and what it takes to stop.  

Because tiptoeing isn't just about boundaries. It's about what happens to your sense of self when you've spent years editing yourself before anyone even asks you to.

This conversation is for the woman who is done performing calm she doesn't feel. Done shrinking into spaces that were never designed for her to fit in. 

She's tired of tiptoeing. And this episode is the beginning of where it ends. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

On this episode, I have a conversation with brand strategist Heidi Pearson, and we talk about the importance of staying true to your own voice. Listen in. Welcome, welcome to today's episode of the Permission Slip Podcast. I am your host, Nicole Morris. I am also the founder of Labels Be Gone, the author of the amazing, incredible, life-changing book. It's not me, it's you. Take their labels off. I am beyond excited today to have our guest um talking to us today. And today's topic is going to be we are tired of tiptoeing. Okay, so we're gonna talk a little bit about that. I have Miss Heidi Pearson joining us. Welcome, Heidi. Thank you for having me. Oh, thank you so much for being here. And like I'm I'm kicking it right off. I'm jumping right in. So I'm gonna give the people who are getting familiar with the platform and labels be gone. I'm gonna give them a little background and then we're gonna jump right in. Let's do it. Labels Be Gone. And now the uh fragrance of the brand, the Permission Slip the Podcast, is really centered around giving people the permission to see themselves, to hear maybe what's been blocking you or holding you back, and then to undo all of that principle and undo all of that work wherever that noise is coming from. And so each episode, we're gonna have amazing guests who have transformative life experiences like Heidi on to share with us one of their perspectives on a particular topic. The reason why Heidi is so profoundly important to today's topic, and then I'm gonna hand it to her to have her give you a little background about herself before we dive in, is because in order for Heidi and I to have this um transformational conversation on this phone, the first thing that we had to do in order to stop tiptoeing around people was give ourselves permission to realize that it was happening in the first place. And so Heidi is the um the gift child behind everything that you see with labels be gone. And everyone who she's connected with, everyone who she's connected me to has just been powerful. I'm gonna stop rambling because I could just go on and on and on. Heidi, say hi to the people, talk to the people, tell them about yourself, why having this conversation and all that hello, hello, hello, permission slip audience.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

First, I just want to say to you, Nicole, it has been a joy, a complete joy to have your trust in me with your baby, um, and to build this brand with you. We have made some amazing strides. You have been a pleasure. You have been the consummate professional. You are a dream client or someone like me who um allows freedom with myself, but also my to have a client who recognizes that I need that, that um runway to be the thought partner with you um is so refreshing. It is a breath of fresh air, and I am just honored to be on this journey with you.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

My gosh, that's amazing. You know, so when when me and uh me and Campi were talking today, and I said, you know, we just gotta get out of the way and like let Heidi do her thing because you are masterful. Um, and I want to tell you that I think what you do is it's beyond, and I think I and you know this, right? So this is why we're coming here with tiptoeing, because when um I reached out to you um for help, you set some very firm boundaries up front about how the business, no, honestly though, how you wanted the business to run and us to grow together. And I could tell from that first conversation that that might not necessarily have been new for you, but there was a different level of intention with self-protection around you saying that. And I could like 100% respect that when you said that. Campy and I were talking today, and I was like, you know what? What you do, who you are connected to, who you how you are helping us birth God's bigger purpose in the earth for all of us. Yes, so it's it's just it's a spiritual thing. And so we are equally, I know I am equally grateful for you. I'm equally grateful. Here we go. Equally grateful to be able to tap in. Yes, and for us to walk this journey together. So with that though, so let's I because I think that jumps right into it. When you hear tired of tiptoeing, yeah, what does that mean to you? I know what it means to me, but what did that mean to you when I said, can you do this? Can you have this talk with us?

SPEAKER_01 5:13

So I have spent the last, you know, 17 plus years um in rooms where the stakes were very high. And that margin of error, especially for women who look like me, um is razor thin. And public relations, marketing communications, you know, all of the things surrounding mergers and acquisitions and being on teams, um, and the area between entertainment and and politics and nonprofit and executive communications and all of those things. That that's literally the art of crafting what you say and how you say it. So when we talk about chronic monitoring, I I get it. I didn't just do it personally, I was professionally trained to do that. And so that is what you know, the essence of like the whole overarching concept of who I am and and how tiptoeing creeps in and has crept in over the last 17 plus years. That's that's it in a nutshell.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

Was the tiptoeing, see, because I think everywhere you go, there you are. So the tiptoeing, it manifested itself professionally in a way that you could measure, right? And that we could measure because we showed up in these spaces where we're oftentimes the only black face and one of very few women. That's right. Sitting at these tables in these rooms. And so, and just having to constantly navigate those spaces, those rooms, those side comments, those how did you get here sort of things. There's a tiptoeing there that naturally happens because you have to protect your occupation. This is how I feed my family. So I am naturally trained, like you said, trained into doing that because of the spaces that I'm navigating. But I think for me, I was trained into tiptoeing and how to hear that from growing up. Walking into church rooms, right? Absolutely. When I gotta, I can only wear a skirt to church, right? I gotta wear a certain color stockings when I cross. Or I can wear pants outside the sanctuary, but not in the sanctuary. Or growing up even in my home, or actually, especially in my home. Challenging environment. Dad was caught up in the crack epidemic, so not present. So all of the struggles that kind of come with that. I was on eggshells in my own, in my house as a kid. Learn how not to, I think like tiptoeing comes from trying not to be victimized.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

It's definitely culturally driven, it's community driven. When I say community, your family community, right? The familial community breeds that level of indoctrination, I guess is the proper word, because when you are kind of embedded in a community, you adopt patterns, behaviors. We also consume the way that people, the nonverbal treatment.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Yes, communication is only, it is only 7% of the words you say. Everything else is a combination of nonverbal, that's right, or tonal, yes, or even, you know, empathy, right? I'm feeling not and a lot of people hear empathy and think like how I'm able to put myself in somebody else's shoes, but it really is feeling. That's right. And so what I feel when I walk in a room, you can feel attention. It's like, whoa, whoa, let me figure out what this is before I just dive in.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Yeah, let me let me adjust myself. Let me, you know, adjust temperature. Yep. You walk in a room and it's like so you either shrink, you either silence yourself. I mean, and as you do this growing up as a child in that kind of environment, you get you get professional at adjusting your own personal temperature to the vibration in the room for sure. Especially when it comes to managing the hierarchies family-wise. So if the vibration is coming from an elder, if the vibration is coming from a young cousin, if the vibration is coming from a sibling, depending on where that sibling falls in the family spectrum, you figure it out because you know, you better not be too flippant with the elders. You better learn how to be seen and not heard, or oh, this is the auntie I can't be comfortable with. I have to button up, quiet up, shake up, tiptoe, you know. Tiptoe.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Yeah. Yeah. And I think a lot of people, right, like as we get older, right? Because one of the things we talk about, and I was, I was like, you know, I think season two is we probably gonna dive into some of this messy middle conversation, right? I love it.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

My favorite.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

I think us, like you said, shrinking ourselves, muting ourselves. I think it makes the middle even messier. Yes. Because in that, and it goes back to the themes in the book, the whole labels we go on platform and why we got the permission slip podcast.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

In that, we start playing roles that are not authentic to who we are or what's in that spirit.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

No. We're operating from from muscles that were built by sheer necessity.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

Right? So it was a necessity to to button up and tiptoe around XYZ community, right? Whether it's family, family friends, you know, external, I will say external communities and internal communities play on internal and external. Um, we're we're we're operating from muscles that were built by necessity. We we had to behave this way, so it's like muscle memory. You know, you activate based on what you've been exposed to.

SPEAKER_02 11:40

Yeah. And like you said, like the internal cultural norms, because, and I want to dig into that a little bit, right? Because this whole take their labels off, right? Yes, it's not me, it's you. Yes. It's not just for for me, and I know for you too, it's not just a black woman conversation, although we're going to be able to empathize more with black women. Yes. But it is a conversation for white women and perfectionism, right? Because it's and it and it's almost like from from I well, I'm I'm assuming put myself in in their shoes, um, that they're expected to be perfect because they have so much more access, right? And there's there's a struggle for that, and then how that shows up in microaggressions toward people who that's right, who kind of take that away. There is a Asian conversation around exceptionalism, right? There is probably a um uh uh Eastern Asian impact around exceptionalism. There is a Latin, you know what I'm saying? So it applied to everybody, and we have all sort of been trained to fit a narrative, absolutely, right? So I gave my kids permission, raising my kids. I gave them permission to see themselves because I didn't want them to have to have those battles now. I gave them some other stuff too, parenting them out of my trauma. But they did good, I did good, I gave them some other stuff too. Amazing. You did amazing. I did, but you know, I gotta own it, right? But I gave them permission to see themselves. So, what does it take from us when we do this all the time since we've been trained? Like both personally and professionally. What did it take from you? And what are you doing? Like, how are you taking it back?

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Um, it takes from us our ability to edit, self-edit. Survival editing is a real thing. There's a difference between and I'm survival editing.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

That's uh that's a new term. Okay, come on.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

Yeah, I'll make this parallel. You know, there's a difference between strategic communications, and I'm relating this back to the work that I've done because, and I'll say this, I we often spend more time once we, you know, reach a certain age and we're in our careers, we spend a lot, we spend more time in workplaces and spaces than we do in familial places and spaces, right? And so then work begins to take form in shaping who we are completely involuntarily, but just by sheer like rules of engagement. We, we, where you go, there you are. Everywhere you go, there you are, kind of as your work person, right? Because you've been in these places and spaces as a grown adult, experiencing all of these things. And so it carries over sometimes to our friendships and our familial relationships and all of the above, and everything in between, rather. But there's a difference between strategic communications and survival editing. And this is something that, you know, kind of twisted my mind when I knew I was gonna do this this podcast.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

One is a skill, the other is a survival mechanism where you wear a blazer or like a blouse, and you got your pumps on and your pencil skirt, and you got So it's almost like a blockade for things that we don't want to impact us, or we're at least we're trying to limit it.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

It's a uniform and it's a and it's an armor, it's uh it's a protection mechanism, right? In an agency life I've learned that sometimes being the only black woman in the room and the youngest on the teams, especially the teams that I worked on while I was there, um it meant calculating every word before it left my mouth. Not because I wasn't confident, but because the room wasn't always safe. I learned on the fly, no one took the time to train me at those places and spaces.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

I didn't even know how to see you or respect that that was even part of your humanity in those spaces. It was almost the capitulation as expected.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

Yes. I got to work early, I left, I would sit in meetings, and I would be surveying everyone in the room to understand better what I needed to do. Like, okay, do I need to mimic this? Do I need to pick up on that? Do I, you know, respond to an email like this, but I kind of make it my own? I mean, down to even professional communication. That wasn't, I mean, they don't really teach you that in undergraduate.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

And the added layer of that is that if I'm looking around at those examples and I mimic them, yes, because I'm a black woman, I still have a risk of it being purported into aggressiveness or something else. So it's like even if I'm learning and I'm doing those things, it's almost like those edits aren't enough. And so, like, I know I found myself contorting myself even the more to try to find acceptance.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

I mean, there is a cost to that behavior, personally. The real cost of it all is we stop trusting our own instincts. We second guess our guts because we've been, you know, overdriving it for so long and thinking if I don't do this, they may look at me as not being smart, not being capable. It builds a level of anxiety that's not good for black women, for any woman, to be quite honest. It's just not good for your psyche. Um, and it doesn't, it it breeds unhealthy expectations in oneself when the goal is not to be perfect, it is to be consistent and to show that you are coachable, trainable, you know, the sophistication of your your professional sophistication, it develops naturally. Clearly, you didn't get where you were in one day, in one year. It took, you know, it took X amount of years for you to get there. And look.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

So are you familiar with the Emma Greedy conversation that's happening and kind of some of the backlash that some people are giving about her comments about how to show up into a workspace um and and the dangers of that for black women? Ooh, tell me more. So, and I haven't dug into it a whole lot, but just listening to this conversation and about editing ourselves made me think about that. So Emma Greedy is a black British woman who uh was on Kiki Palmer's podcast probably last week. Okay. And she is giving tips in a natural, the natural American way is to see a black woman and equate her to all black women, right? I'm not saying that that's wrong or right or whatever, if that that was her intent or not, but having this conversation, so a lot of black women were like, no, we can't just show up in the space like this and say that. It's dangerous to our psyche to set that as a mark for us. But then on the flip side of that, for me, I hear like, but we still have to show up in some of the excellence that is present. But in that, like it's just all of that makes it easier for us to get lost in the sauce. Yes. Um, for me, I know I definitely took it home. If when you talk to my kids, they will tell run-in jokes right now about how like their early childhood, I was drilling excellence into them. Like, you gotta be excellent. And so my daughter, she's like, excellent.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

Used to tell my I used to tell my daughter every day when I dropped her off, every day. And if she were here, she would tell you. If she were here, I would ask her to say, What did I used to say to you before you got out of the car? And I would say to her every day, make excellent decisions.

SPEAKER_02 19:51

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And she's gonna appreciate that later. They be fussing around a certain age. But now my kids are so grateful for excellence, for excellence.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

I mean, a half of me sometimes at this point, you know, being a veteran mom now of 17 years. Veteran mom. I'm I'm super official, um, surviving life with a 17-year-old. You know, did we put too much excellence expectations on them? I mean, you know, they are going to do well because they've seen us do the work. They've seen us transform, they've seen us go from one point to the other, they've witnessed us probably. My daughter personally has witnessed me through graduate school a very rigorous program, um, in addition to having a very rigorous job and career and and run a business at the same time. I wonder, you know, are we are we doing that professional performance for them?

SPEAKER_02 20:54

I'm gonna say that being on the other side of it with um kids in their mid-20s who have legitimately set themselves apart from their peers. I am going to say we did the right thing. And I'm going to say it. Standing on our shoulders, I know my my kids are leapfrogging. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

I perceive that.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

Thank you for this impromptu lesson, because I just want to let you know, and especially like for my family, it's not generational, right? Like it it is, but it's not. The the belief in ourselves to access success. Yes, not generational.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

And quiet ambition gets us nowhere. Facts. I used to actually recently, I'm I'm recently kind of getting on myself like you know, because you can't be too right looking like me too. You can't be too much, too smart, too sharp, too ambitious. Two, you can't because it makes people uncomfortable around you.

SPEAKER_02 22:03

Intimidate when I when I tell you, and we'll talk offline about this. Um, in my I had an experience this week because I was two. But the thing was, I'm I'm just trying to get it done. I'm not trying to be too. So am I too or are you not enough? But I'm gonna leave it right there because I don't know if somebody might listen to this podcast. So in any event, maybe I edit that out. But it is but it's like, and then like, how do I trying to be two?

SPEAKER_01 22:32

I'm just doing job. Well, why why are you honing into my two? Because why is that like a thing that you're you're you're yeah and then and then we edit ourselves, so I'm gonna pivot.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

Yeah. Why'd you change?

SPEAKER_01 22:48

Why why'd you do something different? I'll go here. I do not want to be performative in my professionalism. I want to always show up. It got you where you are. Why why not keep it up? Well, now I feel like I don't have to because I'm in rooms on purpose. I am in rooms by invitation. I am requested. What I bring to the table for organizations, for clients, it is requested. It is invited, it is welcomed, it is verbally affirmed, it is, I feel valued. And so performance is unnecessary. I don't, I don't have to perform. I either know it or I don't. And I am confident enough to communicate and authentically express I know more about what I don't know than what I do. But one thing I am is resourceful. And I am a purist when it comes to being an implementor. See the big picture, I'm gonna run to it. People who see me, that is what draws me to them. They're drawn to me because of that. I truly believe that they tell it to me. And so I didn't feel the need to continue to perform. I think high-functioning women um are often the best, circling back into tiptoeing. They they do it well because we're we're tuned into a superpower at all times. We have to, you know, put on our armor and go out there and get it because that's the expectation. But a superpower that's always switched on becomes a burden. It's a burden, it's heavy because like, oh, I don't really feel like being on today. But that's what they expect when you perform. So if you can give if you can weave in that, you know, your authenticity through that, just really show up who you are as you are. People there's grace that's kind of woven into that, into that space. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

That is very factual. Now I'm gonna say why I stopped tiptoeing. I stopped tiptoeing because my spirit could no longer handle it. Too heavy, it's too much. And I stopped tiptoeing in every area of my life because tiptoeing was literally killing me. My blood pressure had spiked. Um, I was in the doctor's office, and this is before I started kind of moving around the country in the pandemic. And if people buy the book, um, I go into it a little bit in the book. But I had gotten a prescription for Lerazepam for anxiety. I I refused to take it because I knew, and I don't know how I knew this, but I just knew that that was going to be a band-aid. And if I wanted the healing, and I just didn't want to feel like that anymore, I didn't know what to do. I just knew I wasn't gonna do that. And then, so I'm going back to the grace, right? Over the years after that, because that was in 2020. Okay, as I leaned more into self-acceptance, I created the grace for myself. I gave myself the grace. And then because I gave myself the grace, I showed up in the spaces with the expectation that I was going to be giving myself grace. And I still delivered in an excellent manner, whether at home or at work, it wasn't about I mean, I'm sorry, at work, it was about excellence. At home, it was more about compassion and authenticity and healthy boundaries. But because I did it for and to myself first, yes, I was able to shape those spaces around into and connect with wonderful, amazing people like you. And actually, and actually keep the connections and and and and correct, because I've it's happened my whole life. Can tell people stories. My husband is like, girl, you are the most connected, finished person I've ever met. Because over my life, it just has happened. And I, for me, and this is why I think this podcast is so helpful and the book is so helpful. Yes, for me, I just I didn't see myself that way.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

I mean, it's it's difficult. Constantly being the bridge, right? Constantly being the translator, constantly being the one who makes the room comfortable for everyone except yourself is too much. It's above us. Let somebody else do it.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

Yes. And you know what? And if it fall apart, then it wasn't meant to hold together. Did you show up and do your part? And if you showed up and did your part, then that's all. That that's all that you can do. You know, there will obviously be people for whom we extend a little more in maybe events. Yeah, but then after that, look, take the cape off, put it down. We are not killing the pig and making the bacon and making the dinner. Like, we're not doing all that anymore. Like, I I'm gonna do my part. Yes, and and my part is enough.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Yeah. I mean, I I will admit this. You know, I was the person other people came to for counsel and authenticity while I was quietly managing my own performance. And that's the irony of that is that's big. That's huge. Yeah. To even call that out. Yeah. Wow. I I don't want to feel like that's what I have to do all the time. I don't want to wear that. When I'm tired, I want to go to sleep. I want to close my laptop and go to sleep. Yep. And and I just want to, you know, slide this in just as a as a as a pivot slightly, is I appreciate our working relationship and friendship as well, because you have a way of being tapped in and picking up when I'm like a bit overwhelmed. Um, and I I mean that's one of the things that I I deeply appreciate about this this experience and like who I am on this side of providing strategic counsel to clients. And that's why I work with who I work with, because this is we are working as our real selves in our real lives. And there's a fine line between that, the the balance of that all. And I just appreciate for for being seen as a human, not a machine, you know, for being respected as a capable person who gets things done, who moves the needle. But I'm a human being, I'm a mom, I'm a woman, Jesus, you know?

SPEAKER_02 30:02

And and life life's for everybody. Life life, it got different ways than it lifes. Yes. It life's for everybody. Yes. I'm gonna ask you this. When you started to undo the need for tiptoeing, what was that like more for externally, right? Because it's a relational dynamic that's gonna change. So, what was that like if people decide, you know what, this is something I want to do too? I want I want to take my power back. What can they expect as they go to start undoing the need to feel like they're walking on eggshells or tiptoeing?

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Well, when you spend years editing yourself before anyone asks you to, you can lose the thread of who you actually are versus who you've learned to present. Yep. And at this point, for anyone listening, I think anyone listening, I hope, the age 18 and up, or 17 or whatnot, because I would say this to uh a young teenage person drop that habit. As soon as your gut tells that to you, as soon as that gut, your gut tells it to your mind, remove it. Remove it. It will take so much out of you and away from you. Um, and you'll spend a lot of time apologizing to yourself. Not about being perfect, it is about maintaining your sense of and be grounded in who you are, right? You already, you're there for a reason. You know what you bring to the table. Because if you if you weren't supposed to be there, you wouldn't. My current CEO of the organization that I work for right now, she is one of the most, I mean, she's always so spot on with the words that she delivers when she's speaking in the room. And one thing that she said recently at one of our organizational institutes, she said, I let me get it straight. It was something to the order of I belong in every room that I walk in, every seat, every table, every I take up space in every space that I am in. Period. Unapologetically.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

And give permission for the fullness because sometimes when you are used to, I'm gonna speak from my experience, when I was used to shrinking, I was shrinking because I was avoiding the backlash. Yes. Now I lean into it and I stand my ground and I stand my boundary. And the thing that has that has um hold my boundary, the thing that has kept me grounded when that happens, honestly, is integrity. Yes, integrity and authenticity, because I don't have to question myself on my motives on why I am doing a thing or having an approach the way that I'm having it. I know my intentions. Absolutely. So only someone who might be intimidated, that's the word, right? By what they see, experience, feel, or whatever from you to cause you to want to shrink. Yes. Only somebody else would raise a question in a way that would cause you to question yourself. And so as I began to take my power back, I had to lean into the conflict. I had to lean into the undermining questions. I had to lean into the micro regressions. I had to lean into it and be like, I can't be put off by because if then I'm gonna continue to be edited. And what I that was that's not who I wanted to be. Not not at this age, not at this space, not at this level of creation. Now, the purpose behind the book, right, is for people to have consciousness about some of these labels, these things, these behaviors, and then make a choice because it might be easier for some people to remain editing. You may not want to do that work, and there is no judgment. But there's some people who will want to do the work. I wanted to do the work, I wanted it on my terms, and at least that way my capitulation was also on my terms.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Exactly. I mean, what we're building with labels be gone is something that cannot grow and come into fruition in a filtered situation. You can't build a big old brand in a filter situation. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

But you know what? So I'm you know, I'm gonna give it right back to you, right? Because the way you live, like when I told you, like sometimes I'm gonna be, you know, lit up and then like on my downtime, you know, I'm a bumpkin. And you like, girl, now we just being, but you give me the space though, to me to authentically evolve because there was a time when I was helping to build a church and I was up front all the time. So with me being up front all the time, I was always on hair always dumb, makeup always on white, clothes, always this, clothes always that. But the minute I didn't have that pressure, I went right back to, and not that it's bad, it's not bad to be any one way or the other, but just the ability that you recognize, right? How to grow me up. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

It is look at you, look at you even right now. I mean, look at this bright glowing light.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

Honey, let that shine. Look, it even in like so you saw my video the other day about celebrating the book.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

I would have never done that before, but I'm like, well, if people knew how hard we worked on this thing, it's okay to be a little relaxed. Wearing t-shirts today. I mean, today we have blouses and whatnot, but you know, this thing requires bonnets, ponytails, yes, and makeup less faces sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

So listen, even while we're doing the remember when we had the meeting with the attorney, and we were like, everybody was having lunch. She was like, I love this. I'm like, this is what we gotta do.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

This is what we have to do.

SPEAKER_02 36:43

Yes, what we're gonna keep doing. And so, world, I'm gonna be showing you more of that so I can learn how to, because that's a truly like the reality is that's the editing right now, right? And I'm gonna I'm gonna uh edit that. I mean, they'll get to be on that journey with me. Heidi, where can the people find you, connect with you, learn more? Where can people find you, connect with you, follow you? I mean, you like you truly have you are you are quiet on what you do and the impact that you have, but your ripples are massive. And even if you people need to know the work that your clients are doing. So how can they find out more about all things connected to you, if not you directly?

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Yes. I mean, I will I will say this. I am quiet, but I am um very clear about my assignment. I am razor sharp, clear about what I bring to the table. So um that work isn't always loud because it is it is always evolving, it is experimentation at its highest level. Um, and there's a you know, I'm driven by ensuring that because people are entrusting me with their brands, you know, failure is not an option. So I will say you can find me on LinkedIn, um, you can find me on Instagram, which is one of my favorite platforms, um, or you can email me if you have questions and and or with like a consultation um and and or just get my advice about something at Heidi at Pearson. That's Heidi H E I D I at Pearsonprconsulting.com. And I have a website, www.pprcstrategy.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

Awesome, awesome. Okay, we're now we're sharing, but just for a little bit, okay? Just for a little bit, just for a little bit. Everybody else, thank you so much. Thank you so much for tuning in. There's so much more to come with the permission slip and the conversations that we're going to continue to have with the um entire Labels Be Gone brand. Remember, you can always get a copy of the book from me, labelsbegone.com. It's not me, it's you. Take their labels off. This is the first in a series of books where we are going to help people identify the areas in life where they have been editing themselves and decide if they want to take that power back. If you're ordering the book from me from labelsbegone.com, you get access to all three copies of the book type. So you get the physical copy, you get the ebook, and you will get the audio book later this year. That is only while we are in pre-orders, we go live with orders. Thank you everybody for like us rank on Amazon already. I haven't even told people that we're going to be on Amazon, but we're live for um actual order plates. But the Amazon orders won't start going out until the middle of May. So if you place your order now before May 16th, you get access to all three book copies and you get your books now, or you can go ahead and pre-order and wait for Amazon and just say, hey, I'll get it in May. But either way it goes, thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you for your attention. Thank you for trusting us with your spirit for this uh moment of time that we're here and we will see you next time.

SPEAKER_01 40:01

Thank you, Heidi. You're welcome. I'm so proud of you.

unknown 40:05

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

On the next episode of the Permissions Flip, either you're gonna be a victim or you're gonna be a creative. You're either gonna create what you want or you're going to sit back and be passive, like and let it happen to you. So we're not doing that. And just as an African American.