Human Design Predicts A Massive Change in Business

In this episode, Sam Michelle, Founder of Unlocking You In Business, takes us on a journey of how business will be forever changed, the way the energy is shifting, and what it means for entrepreneurs and corporations. 

Sam breaks down the energy at play that will forever change the business landscape using Human Design.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome back to Break Free. I'm Kristen Shea and I'm super excited today because I have an amazing guest. This is Sam Michelle, who is the founder of Unlocking You in Business, which is the most amazing human design experience that I have had. And so ever since I met Sam, I was like, I have got to get her on the podcast and just have a bigger, broader conversation that I think will help so many start to understand their own working. So welcome, Sam. Hi, thank you so much for having me. It's really, really a pleasure to be here. Thank you for coming on. I'm super, super excited. Um, and I know we always have such good conversations, so I'm sure we're gonna go in a bunch of different directions. Um, but you have a white paper that you just recently published. Um, and I have been spending like the last month in that white paper diving into it and just feeling like there is so much that's about to shift in our world and shift in the way that we do business. And so that's one of the things I wanted to start by diving into. Um, so tell us a little bit about the white paper. How did you even decide to do this? Like, and and then what does it contain and how can it help people?

SPEAKER_01 1:06

So the the white paper is called 2027, beyond business as usual. And this has been percolating in me for many years. I think it's very linked to the way I'm naturally designed, but I'm always wanting context for my experience. And so I think, you know, how did the white paper come to be, or why did I end up doing that? My interests have very much been in business and in health the last 20 years, 25 years, let's say, and it's it's for me the most beneficial thing has always been to understand what's happening in context. And so this is my way of saying, all right, in business, this is the context that we're operating in, and what does that mean for us? And it allows us to frame a lot of this chaos and ground it.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Grounding the chaos, that's a really good way to put it. Yeah, I like that a lot. How did you get the idea to for this? Like, did it just kind of pop in that you wanted to like because it's and we'll link this in the description in the show notes for everybody, but this is probably one of the most in-depth looks while also being so easy to process and read about how so much is about to transform for us. Like, so much is about to change. And I think we're already feeling the changes. Like you and I have kind of talked of like people are seeing the stuff that used to work doesn't really work anymore, but nobody really knows why, right? Um, and in this audience, we have a lot of people who are either fresh on the entrepreneur journey, wanting to step into their path and their purpose, um, and some who are like a little further along. But in all aspects, people are seeing like, oh, what everybody was doing in 2020 on social media or what everybody was doing like just doesn't work. So when you get this idea, like, how do you even frame this? Like, because that's always like just where did you start? How did you know to like dive into all these things? I don't know. It just overwhelms me when I think about it. And I'm like, thank God she did it because it's so helpful for me to have now.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

How does your mind work? Yes, tell me, tell me the magic. Um, so I mean, I I guess I have a feeling of the end result. If if when I look at my uh you can see it on one of your arrows in in the human design body graph, but if you go to your perspective arrow, which is the bottom right, yeah, um, mine faces right, and so it's the way I experience everything before it's done or before it manifests is as a feeling of the end result. Um so I feel how I expect to feel when the thing is finished, and then I go ahead and make the thing, and once it feels like it did at the beginning, yeah, I have I have like created it correctly. And I feel like it it starts for me. Um some people work in shapes or colours or things like that in their mind. Um for me, it works in feelings and it works in patterns. Wow. So I've studied so many different modalities over the last 25 years, and they all have a space in my mental construct, my cloud, I suppose, and I very quickly see patterns that link them together. And the more of these modalities I do I I dove into all the way from um somatic work, the a lot of spiritual work, also neuroscience, psychology, CBT, hypnotherapy, reiki, and everything in between martial arts. I was just gonna say martial arts, yeah. Uh Hai Chi Qi Gong, yeah, um anything that has got this discipline and this the energetics in your body, so many different things I pulled together. Also in the self-development space, I was obsessed. I've loved it, absolutely loved looking through all these books, um, diving into the Enneagram and Myers Briggs and all sorts of personality tests alongside then astrology, human design, gene keys. And I think what I found personally is that didn't matter what modality uh I used, it had an echo of the same thing. But the one that I kept coming back to was human design, more so even than astrology and the gene keys. I I have them kind of off the side of human design because human design, in my experience and in my experience of working with people, it is so cognitive, it's practical language. Yeah, I've had it described before that human design is the yang and gene keys is the yin. I would argue that astrology could also be the yin or the yang, but astrology I find works more on archetypes. Yes. Gene keys works more on contemplation, it's a living, breathing thing, and that's more difficult for somebody to get their head around when they're just wanting to know something specific. Right. How does my brain work? How does my body work how does my energy work? Gene keys is is more difficult and to kind of ground that. And so I kept feeding everything back in. So I use human design as the base, and then everything else, all the other tools I've ever come across and ever studied, weave their way into everything I speak about when I work with someone's chart. So that's often why when I speak on human design, it feels like there's more underneath it because there is a few decades worth of study and yeah, deep work underneath.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

Yeah, and you can feel that because when I I've done I had dug in a ton um to astrology, human design, the enegrium, like all the personality assessments, all the different things. Um, and I think it was maybe sometime around the last year, this time, I discovered you on Steve Nobel's podcast and you were talking about human design, and I was like, I gotta book with her. So I booked. And then I remember getting the report and instantly feeling this relief of like, oh my God, I make sense now. Like, I make sense now. This is so helpful because there were so many things about how I operated my business that I would think were like negative, right? So like I'm whatever my archetype, or I forget which part of the human design it is, but it's like you jump first and you build the parachute on the way down. And I was like, oh, I guess I'm just reckless, or I'm, you know, where no, that's like actual natural tendencies. So there were so many things that like I was like, oh my God, how I operate makes sense. I'm not doing anything wrong. It's just very different from how other people do it.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Yeah. Yeah. And I've and you're such a with such a recipe as well. Yeah. I think it's so obvious when when I do deliver my reports because they are sectioned, right? There's different sections that have the different parts of us, and some of them work beautifully together, some of them might be contradictions, and that's also interesting to see all of all in one. Like, okay, how do we handle this internal conflict within us that is designed perfectly for us to manage and for us to work with and for us to use? Um, but it's one part is is like each ingredient, and then when you put it all together, it becomes the recipe that is you. And I think the thing that I'm most obsessed with is yes, the charts that but I look at them as the the 2D version, and then the 3D version is the human that makes that come to life. So the recipe is there, but actually when you get into the kitchen and you're cooking, okay, what does it what does it actually taste like? What's the actual flavor? What's the actual smell like? How does it manifest in real life? Um and you might have a similar recipe to someone else, but you're still gonna have slightly different ingredients, and maybe they're in different places, yeah. And so, yeah, everyone's their own recipe and their own, like yeah, master chef dish.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Yeah, which I love. I love the way you put that all together. And yeah, if again, it'll be in the show notes, but this is a really helpful report for anybody who's trying to figure out how they're meant to operate in business, what they're meant to do. There was so much gold in there, like it tells you how to sell, what you're meant to talk about, how you're meant to talk about it, um, your natural tendencies, both the good and the bad, like everything is in there, and it's just it's super, super helpful. But um, I want to talk about it on an even larger perspective. So you have the unlocking you in business, and then you have this idea of like, okay, this the world is about to shift in a big way. I'm gonna figure all of this out and put it into this incredible white paper, right? Um how long did it take you?

SPEAKER_01 10:00

It took me about three months to actually write. Wow. I as you were alluding to, there's quite a lot behind the scenes. So I this has been percolating and it's been sitting in my cloud space around my mind for years. Um, I think it could well have been as long ago as 2021 when I had said to somebody I was going to write a white paper on 2027. You knew. Yeah, slowly, slowly, and I didn't know how, and I didn't know it was it hadn't quite materialized. Um so yeah, it's it's a long a long process. And then I'd go months with with nothing moving, nothing changing, and then suddenly I'd have another piece of the puzzle connect. Oh gosh, yes, okay, that's gonna go in, and that's gonna go in, and that makes sense, and that's added on there. Um, but ultimately when I wrote it, I had to make sure actually that less was in there. Yeah. Because I I have this, I have this belief, I have this thing. Some people will say there's probably too much information in this, but I have this feeling like I find it disrespectful if I don't share enough of the details with somebody because it's I'm asking people to bring themselves to it and bring themselves to think about it. Yeah. And I've put it clearly, I've put it I've all used, I always speak in very plain language because I think it shouldn't be in jargon that we can't understand, language that only makes sense to somebody if they understand that industry or that expertise or whatever. So I always speak in very clean, clean, clear, direct language, but I wanted to give people enough to get their teeth into to really give them the chance to have the details and the the background for it before just saying, Oh, and this is what's changing. There's a foundation, I felt. And so I found that's my way of kind of respecting the the reader and somebody who doesn't need to spend 10 years studying human design or sit there percolating all these things, but there's still enough language. If you wanted to take this and you were interested, you could have enough language to kind of dive down that rabbit hole yourself.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Yeah, yeah. So how did you know to focus on 2027? Is it because of the change of the cross or like how when back in 2021, or like how did you know 2027 is the year, and that's I know I'm gonna write something on that.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

It's Ra Uruhu, who is the founder of human design, when you start looking into the source material and the source text from him, um, he speaks about this. This is not something I mean, you could call it prophecy. I don't call it prophecy because it's a factual shift of the planet. It's not to do with the procession of the equinoxes, so this is a scientific um measurement that the earth moves, we know this, round, and it has an axis that isn't quite straight, so it wobbles, and so there's exact measurements that can be made as to when that wobble completes its circle back to the same wobble. And it's that so it's the wobble of the earth's axis that determines something called the precession of the equinoxes, and it's that it shifts around the astrology chart or the rave mandala. If anyone has got one of their their own birth chart and you find the setting that incorporates the rave mandala, it brings it out so that you can see all of the activated gates, which are the inside numbers in your body graph. You can see them activated and they go through the astrology and they go into the I Ching, the gates. The gates are the I Ching. Yeah. Each of the 64 gates of the human design body graph come from the 64 I Ching archetypes, they're energetic archetypes. I mean, that is ancient, right? Ancient divination. Right. So, yes, when you see this, you can see, and actually, there's an image in the first section of the white paper that shows the rave mandala of the two crosses, but you'll see if you look closely, they just tick over by one. So it's a cross. They tick over one here, one here at the same time. And that happens at the procession of the equinox, so it goes round.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Yeah. Wow, okay. So this has been known then for a while that this is coming. It's built in. So Ra brought all of this information to us in I wanna, I'm gonna butcher this in nine, I wanna say 1987. Oh wow. But it took him a long time to bring it to the bring it out.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

I feel I'll need to check that. Someone can fact check me. Yeah. 1987. Yeah. Um, and then it took him a while to bring it through, and then actually he brought a lot of this human design stuff through initially for parents to understand their children before their children could explain to them what they needed. Wow. Yeah. So I think there's a whole section of human design that is yet to be really dived into. I mean, you know, little birthday books, right? Of children who are born. And then you get to have a a little book that's like, this is how I function, this is how I make decisions, this is what I need you to teach me, this is what I find really difficult. Oh, I love that idea. It's beautiful, right? So I think there's an enormous amount of um space and capacity for us to have these conversations, and that's not even diving into the environments we live in and we work in that are based on our environments, right? Wow.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Wow, I didn't even think about that. The parent-child like how that would be incredible. I mean, how what a shift to make, just being able to understand from the very beginning and have that awareness, and for a child to be understood. That's powerful.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

I feel like answering your your question about why 2027, it's kind of been in the source text. So whenever you join, you know, you get involved with the human design source source information, you end up hearing about it.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Everything starts to make sense. Okay, we go through these epochs of different energetics. And I think something I I've noticed as well, maybe this is something we'll have to see how this goes because there's I feel like there's two camps almost. One is where it's we're feeling like okay, burn it all down. Right? Burn everything down, we'll build something new that actually works, right? And then and this is my view. My view is that this is evolution. We were supposed to do the last 400 years, and now at this shift, we need to evaluate, we need to really look at what worked and what didn't, get really honest, and there will be things that will have to be literally yeah, burned down and not used again. And I think for the majority of things, it's going to be editing and updating and just getting really honest of like that worked, thank you, and now it doesn't. And so now we're gonna upgrade it to something that does work because we're changing, right? So, yeah, I think I mean I definitely sit on that. I feel like we stand on evolution, um, and we're moving through this and growing through this and learning through this. There's a lot of things that the last 400 years brought us that's right. I think we wouldn't realize that if that all went away from one day to the next, I think we wouldn't realize how much we depend on the systems that have been built.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Right, right. Oh, yeah, for sure. I can't even imagine that. And that and I mean it that is what this is is a 400-year energetic reset, which is I mean, I'm so excited for it. Um, and it was really cool when I was reading the white paper because um so much of this I've been feeling and like teaching for the last two years of like how people have been visible on social media or the way people have been operating, like it's not gonna work anymore. Um, and when I saw your white paper come out, I was like, it just felt like yes, there's validation, there's proof here, there's like things really are shifting. Um, so I'd love to talk about it on kind of this micro level for the entrepreneurs, the healers, like what can they expect to start seeing shift based on some of the KPIs? Um, because you've broken this down into some like, here's how we've been doing it with these KPIs, and here's how we're about to. Um so what do you think, like if you were talking to a group of entrepreneurs right now, what would be most important for them to know?

SPEAKER_01 19:05

I think for starters is like an overarching thing. I I believe the people who understand the context we're living in and who understand themselves deeply. I think those are the people who get to lead what comes next. How I put it, the the architects of the of the new era and what comes next. And I think it is both of these, it's you deeply understanding and having a sense of mastery over yourself and understanding the operator, the operating environment that we live in right now. So I think that's the overarching thing. Pay attention to what's happening in the energetics. And the the energetics then show us what's happening in real life. Um I think understanding the connection. In this in the second section of my uh white paper, I talk about noticeable trends. Yeah. We can see that there's loss of trust in the establishment, and there's less tolerance for poor behavior, and there's no more of this one size fits all, and we're not enjoying the guru um mentality anymore. We're questioning people who've been in power. Um, we're also wanting things that are not just quick fixes and the tick tokification of everything. We're actually wanting depth over dopamine, right? That's the that's one of the keynotes. And yeah, it's it with it comes the rise of entrepreneurship. Like you said, more people are wanting to shift their life, and so that comes with this sovereignty era. We've gone from an era of um basically if if the system, you know, there's a system we all operate in, if you give to the system, the system will take care of you. So we've explored that for the last 400 years and it worked to an extent, and now because that energy and it energy is expiring, it's just not working anymore. And it's it's not even that it was right before and it's wrong now, it was or vice versa. It's not right or wrong. Energy is kind of natural, it's like that was what was supported, and then now something different is supported, but we're in the messy middle. So, how do we shift from where we were dependent on each other and the system very heavily, and now with all of this energy that comes in for sovereignty and self-responsibility and no one's coming to save you kind of attitude? Yeah, what do we do with that then? So I think again, understanding the context and then understanding yourself is kind of the the starting point, and then we can go into some more of the details. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Yeah, I love that. Understanding yourself, because I think that is like such a missing piece for most people. Um And I think a lot have been, you know, even misled in some ways on the spiritual journey of like going down a path where it doesn't, it feels like self-discovery, but it's not that true, true inner self-discovery of who you are and then learning how to communicate that to the world. Um, and I'm excited about this rise in entrepreneurship for people too. Like it just feels, it feels to me like, you know, and I want it to support all of humanity, all of the collective, right? But I just feel like this is such an opportunity for light workers, healers, starseeds, like the mission-led souls, the ones and whatever that is, it doesn't even have to be a spiritual thing, right? But like the ones who are truly mission-led, I just feel like this is the time. Like it's such a supportive energy, which just makes me so excited.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yeah. The uh the universe is saying now or never, let's go.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Um I think it's very interesting with the layering it. So as we lead into this February 15th, 2027 is when the it shifts into the next cross, into the next epoch. Um, and up until that point, we've just got a lot of fire energy. We everyone's been talking about us being in the year of the fire horse. We've got a lot of Aries energy that comes in. Um, yeah, it's a lot of fire.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

You know, in Jupiter goes into Leo in the summer. I think it's really asking us, and this is also linked to the KPIs, it's asking us to become really, really, really present. And as best as we can, as quickly as we can, I should say, to close the gap between who we imagine ourselves to be, or who we think we came in to be, or what who we think we came into, like how we came to live. We all have this concept of oh yes, I have this imaginary version of me when I'm living a life and doing the things that I want to be doing, what I came in to do. And I think the gap between that vision of ourselves and where we actually are and what our life actually looks like in front of us. Yeah, that's gonna be the painful bit. We have to close that gap as quickly as possible. And again, with all this fire energy, it's calling for action. It's no more talking, there's no more dreaming, there's no more um visualizing and manifesting and all the things. Yeah, it's just you know, it's all wonderful to sit there and have all these inspiring conversations, and then at the end of it, have had nothing achieved, nothing accomplished. And with this fire energy, it's really calling us into our body, into the present moment, and into action.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Right. Yeah. Yeah, I'm so excited for that. Um and it does feel very like a now or never moment. Like that energy is very present in the air. Um, and I think everyone feels it in some way. But I love that you talked about that gap. Um, in my work, I talk about it as like this is your matrix identity, who you've had to be versus who you are and are meant to be. If you can like shed the matrix identity and really come into that like soul-level identity. Um, and I feel like that is how you also access like the heaven on earth, the getting paid to exist frequency. Like when you truly become yourself and embark on the thing that you are. I just feel like the amount of divine support that's available, like the way things happen, you literally start to look around and you're like, this place really is magical here. Like there's something, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:29

That's it. And it it's it's the exploring yourself in this time space reality. And part of, you know, we're saying part of this action and part of this closing the gap and being in the present moment, part of all of that is that self-mastery. It's just it looks like discipline. This whole epoch discipline, devotion, like soul, like devotion to your soul, devotion to your body, devotion to your to your mission and to your work, to the people around you. Um but it comes from discipline. One of my favorite um sayings, I think it's a Chinese saying, but I'm not sure. It's discipline equals freedom. Yes. And I think a lot of people forget because freedom sounds like I can do whatever I want, whenever I want, whatever, with whoever I want, doesn't matter how much it costs, I can do anything. But that level of freedom without any structure is actually very chaotic and very destabilizing. It doesn't actually feel free at all, it feels unsafe.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Yeah, I've had to like rewire that in my own brain, right? Like as an Aries rising, I don't want any structure ever. Um, and I like rage against it, but it is the actual thing that brings me the freedom that I seek, or the the peace of mind, or the extra time, or the whatever. And so um, yeah, exactly what you're saying. The discipline is the key. Um yeah, and I think us switching to depth over dopamine is actually gonna help with that discipline because that dopamine, I just feel like whether it's with social media or food or a million other ways, it kind of is like fed into us versus these more the the experience of that depth, whether it be in the content or even just um the devotional aspect of how we show up for ourselves, is gonna be a huge switch that'll actually help people step into discipline.

unknown 27:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

One of my, I think one of my favorite KPIs, if it's possible to have a favorite KPI, is we're shifting from logging hours. So we're shifting from logging time to energy, logging energy. And basically the question is no longer like how hard can we push.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Now we're gonna be asking, but how can we do that well? How can we do it being and feeling well sustainably over time? Right. Right. It's no longer a badge of honor to have burnout and um be busy all the time and and have this chocker full schedule. Right before it was, you know, we were wearing that like a badge. Oh, sorry, I can't, I'm busy. Yeah. And now burnouts become trendy, right? Everyone's burnt out. And the sad thing is, is that it's well, maybe it's not a sad thing because hopefully it brings back some self-responsibility. This becomes a problem for the companies who you work for and yourself. Yeah. Shared responsibility now. Not only is the places and the the workplaces that we function in have a responsibility to the people who work for them, but the individual is also responsible for their own uh well-being and for their own sustainability. If they can't do that, then they have to make it known. And they also have to ensure that in when they're not at work, they're doing all the things required to be able to do it, right? It's a big shift. It's a huge shift, I think. And again, goes back to this discipline, but also devotion, not discipline because you have to, discipline because you want to.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Yeah, that's it, that's a big shift right there, too. Yeah.

unknown 29:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Devoted, devoted to your training and your your nutrition and your wellness and all of that. It's so much more than just a trend, this wellness trend. Um it's yeah, it's not a trend. It's gonna be with us for the next 400 years.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

Right. Yeah, not a trend at all. It's a long period of time. Um, I think that's a game-changing perspective though, because I know even in my own life, um, the thing that I'm most focused on right now, um, that kind of houses all my goals and thoughts and ideas, is like constantly tapping into my unlimited potential. Like the thing that would absolutely crush me is if I left this earth without ever having fully tapped into my potential and my expression and all the things, all that that includes. And that helps really guide those more devotional disciplined decisions because it's like, oh, am I, you know, gonna go grab a snack? That's gonna make me tired or feel, you know, a certain way, like that's not gonna serve me, like tapping into this potential that I am just so excited to like explore and create with, or working out, or am I gonna read or am I gonna watch content or like all those little things? So that like devotional aspect of like the soul journey, I think really is a game changer when you're trying to put structure and discipline in place.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

Absolutely. And it is it's all the little things, like you said, it's all those minor, like minor decision-making tasks that make all the difference. Yeah, I think, and and actually you've alluded to this as well, like, and I'm sure this comes in with a lot of your visibility work too. It's we are so also trained to almost compete for suffering. Right? So we if someone else is having a bad day, oh let me tell you about mine. Right. Right. And so we almost compete to the bottom. Yeah, you're so right. But that's how it's that's how it's socially acceptable. I mean, this is also very English, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Yeah, I feel I think it applies to the US as well.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

It's also a very English trait, it makes me laugh. Um, and so I think the whole we like rewiring of that now is, and I've seen a lot of people post about this, which I'm loving, is how good can it get? How good can you allow it to get without somebody else um ruining your strawberries? So to speak. Yeah, I like that. Let it be big, let it be bold, let it be on point. You know, it's often feels very uncomfortable when someone starts to sh make these devotional shifts in their life. And oh my goodness, my sleep's on point, my training's on point, my nutrition's on point, I'm working well, I feel great.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

What your identity has just shifted.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

A lot of people are waiting for the other shoe to drop and also have a hard time, you know, standing in that when other people are having a hard time.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, you're right. And I think what the saying misery loves company, it's like it has been a bonding topic, right? Of whatever somebody has going on. They always default to talking about that versus anything that could be celebrated. So yeah, that that'll be an interesting shift to see too. Um, the other, one of the other KPIs that I loved was this shift to authenticity, where it's really no longer, and I've been saying this for so long, like it is not gonna be an option, like it's required. And the things that are not authentic, um, how does that apply both on like more of the corporate level and then even on like more of the micro entrepreneur level? Or how do you think it will?

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Yeah, this is again, we are gonna have to watch and learn how the world moves with this. Um, the old KPI compared to that authenticity is what I've called role adherence. So, how we've always done it before is you have a job description, and these are the tasks that are required to get done in your day job, and then you look for a person who can do those things. The new KPI is now about the person, not what they can do. We're looking to see, okay, who's the best person, and we'll get them in, and then let's see what they effortlessly do. What do they do naturally? What do they love to do? And then let's create a job description for them. Yeah. So that's, I mean, how that ends up working in corporate, we're gonna see, we're gonna have to see. But it's much easier to do that in entrepreneurial um environments, smaller startups, you obviously start with yourself, right? What do you effortlessly do? Right. I think that's and yet again, we have to then be okay. And if anyone's got any two line in their profile, especially, I'm talking especially to you.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

Like me, right?

SPEAKER_01 34:35

You have to let it be easy. You have to let the thing, you have to let yourself make an awful lot of money doing the thing that's actually very easy for you. Yeah, so particularly the two lines, but for all of us, it's like what do you naturally do?

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:52

Um, again, that's that's it. Rather than rather than even looking at the business landscape and oh, what's the sensible decision for a business in this industry? If you're interested in the industry, it's fine. If you're interested in what the ideas are, wonderful, great. But to start with what do you effortlessly do and make a job role for yourself, we're doing it inside out, basically, rather than inside in.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

I think that's so so important for entrepreneurs too, because every time I talk to somebody, I feel like it's always the thing you don't value about yourself that will actually make you the most money because it is effortless, it is just the thing, but it's so innate to you that you're like, nobody needs this. Um it has to be difficult, surely.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Therefore, I have earned the money that's made from this endeavor.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Totally, yes. It's like you you have to earn it. You have to have that badge of honor of like, I worked hard, I burned myself out to get here, versus stay busy. Yeah, versus let it be easy. I feel like that I might add that to my 2026 mantra, let it be easy. Like, yeah, I I can find myself making it difficult too. Yeah, totally. Um, the other thing I wanted to dive into was um the intuitive creativity. Um because I've am so excited that I feel like the frequency of creation is like finally returning.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

That's nice that you've tapped into that. It has been, again, for the last 400 years, our creativity has been funneled into systems. Yeah. Big time. So if you're going to be creative, you're gonna do it in this frame. Yeah. And it's look, creativity is an interesting one because if you ask most artists as well, one of the things they when they have they could do anything, right? If you could do anything, you could create anything. Actually, one of the first things most artists will say is they create rules for themselves, they create a frame for themselves to pour their creativity into. And I think so where does it become helpful? Well, where is it helpful? And where does it become stifling? And I think I think one of the um one of these things in that I've written in in the white paper is that creativity is often stifled by supervision.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

Yeah. Yeah. That's so true. What a good way to say that.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

So I think again, we're gonna have to see. Yeah, we're gonna have to see how this plans out because with just pure creative force, which is a lot of what this energy is, this new energy is raw creative power and force in the moment, in the present moment. It's all about intuitively timed pivots that shock shock the world or shock the industry or shock the room. Um it's about yeah, being able to kind of be a lot more adaptable. And so it encourages us to be highly resourceful, highly sensitive to the situations and the people in the room and and in in the world, right, and get very, very creative about okay, how are we going to innovate with this? Is right I think we will see innovation like we've never seen before. I think this is a recipe for this.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

I'm so excited about that.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

And so I don't know exactly what happens when creativity almost has no reins, no, no ceiling. Like you said, no, it's it's whatever it is you want to make it. Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

Wow. But at least this time it's it's not so um it's not gonna be so much about this volume output. This was the old. So if you talk about like intuitive creativity, the old KPI that links to that is volume output, and the the new creativity is depth. So we're going from volume to depth, and again, creativity on at scale looks very different. It's why we've had all these structures and frameworks, right? If you want to create at scale, you're gonna have to go through this and this and this and this and this, and that does a function, it does a job, right? To the depth, you know, depth and the realness of it, and maybe it's one of one or it's one of ten. We're less gonna be interested in the scalability of everything and the like linear trajectory of everything. We wanna wake up one day and it everything just changed, and and that's exciting. Yeah, yeah. So I I think the rules for creativity literally have been thrown out the window. Um and it is about it's about depth and it's about connection and it's about um it's realness, it's again that all how the authenticity comes to manifest. But it's not um, I think this is very interesting with authenticity. Yeah, because I think some would say that we've spent the last couple of years on social media being really authentic, and that often time has looked like a lot of chaos.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

And so it's again, who am I to say what's authentic for someone else? I can't, it's not it's not possible. But authenticity that comes in what comes next, the authenticity that people will be drawn to is deeply connected to somebody's core. And you can feel it, you can feel it when they're leaking their energy, and you can feel it when they haven't really got a clue, they're not they've not thought it through, they've not gone through a process themselves, they're living in this wild energy, they've got no structure, no, I always think of it as your your literal spine, right? Yeah, that's your that's your core, that's your center, at the top of your vagus nerve, at the the back of your neck, all the way down to your tailbone, and that figuratively and literally, energetically, physically, all of the things that's where authenticity comes from. It's like can you say it with a backbone grounded is and and people can feel it if you're embodied, you're in your core, you've said the thing, and you stand on business.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Yes. Yeah, it's a it's a frequency that people feel immediately. And I think like I know authenticity was the I think Webster's dictionary word of 2023, and I was always like, that's curated authenticity based, like as a collective, I don't think we knew what authenticity was. I do think systems down, they told us what authenticity was. And so everybody started emulating that, right? And it was like the behind the scenes or crying on camera or these different things, which vulnerable, yes, interesting sometimes, like, but it wasn't authentic and like the embodiment. It's like, are you regurgitating information or have you lived it, experienced it, integrated something that now you're alchemizing and sharing? Like, there's such a difference in that. And I'm excited to see that shift.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

It's a huge maturity. This is again this mastery, self-mastery. This is what's going to be expected of all of us moving forward. This less we will have a lot less tolerance for behavior and speaking that isn't coming from that grounded place. Right. Yeah. So it's our job to be discerning, to take things in, to really think do I need to even have an opinion about this? Is this in my interest? Is this in my expertise? Is this in my scope? I will just maybe I'll just sit and listen to this one. Right. Right. We always have to have an opinion about something if we're not well informed.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

That's so true. Um, one last question for you. What do you think? And we're not asking you to predict or anything, but just looking at this energy um and all of what's happening with AI. How do you think AI plays into all of this?

SPEAKER_01 43:21

I think AI reminds me a little bit about uh of money in terms of the fact it amplifies things. Yeah. So we've heard the the phrase money amplifies who you are, right? Amplifies your expression in the world. I feel AI does the same. It's amplifying who we are. So if we're using it, it's amplifying that. I think in a world of AI, and I think we will learn to integrate AI into our lives. I think it's here to stay. But ultimately, it actually Turns me back to exactly what I started with, which is the thing that is the most important and that what sets you apart in the age of AI is you knowing you, right? You knowing you so deeply and you being able to maturely express that. Yeah. It's it's your self-discovery, it's your authenticity that um can't be can't be replaced by AI. So and I think it is quite sad to see so much um well again it's both, right? It's so beautiful of how much AI has created other forms and new forms of creativity, right? Absolutely beyond our wildest um imagination. I also think it's very sad how much is now just put on auto autopilot and regurgitated. Um I think that's quite sad. Um I love the name they've called it slop. I just love it. I think that's AI slop. Yeah, um but that's a shame because I really feel like we the thing is what happens next is we need to know what you think, not what you think through AI.

SPEAKER_00 45:13

Yeah, through that lens. Yeah. Yeah. I so agree. I think I think AI is really beautiful, and I think it helps with the return of creation because it takes away the things that we don't need to be spending creative energy on, right? More of like the execution, like if you get more of the bot AI that's like doing things for you. I just think so many people have outsourced their expression. They are using AI to get clarity, they are using it like so they're no longer, they've they're not using their, there's no critical thinking, problem solving, creative thinking. And I think that is like, I think we're gonna see a huge course correction there as part of this new energy coming in, which I'm also excited for because again, it's about knowing you. I mean, that's the whole reason you came here was not to like enter something into a computer and have it do, you know, the work for you. It's for you to like become who you are.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

And this is it. Like we going back to like you, when you have your core and you know what your perspective, your you've come with your perspective.

SPEAKER_00 46:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

Again, it's the ability to hold multiple perspectives at once, but you still have to have yours.

unknown 46:19

Right.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

And I think there's a there's a group of people who only can see their own perspective and don't think anyone else should have a different one. Then there's on the opposite side, I meet a lot of people who can hold and understand so many perspectives that they forget that theirs is important.

SPEAKER_00 46:41

Right.

SPEAKER_01 46:42

Right? Right. So I feel like we have this, and um, one of my favorite analogies is the the blind men with the elephant. And so you've got these five blind men who who are put in front of this elephant, right? And one of them goes to the leg and you know has a oh yes, this must be a tree, right? This must be a tree. Definitely, guys, this is a tree. And then one of the other men has gone to the tail, and this is a little guys. This is a feather. Definitely a feather. You've had someone go to the trunk, right? This is a snake, be careful. Don't don't come over here, this is a snake. Someone's gone to the tusk, this is this is sharp, this is dangerous, this is a sword, definitely a sword. And then the fifth man has gone to the ear, and he's uh touching it, and he's like, guys, this is a carpet, definitely it's a carpet. And uh for me, it's this it's like each one of these men had a perspective, and when you put them all together, it's like pieces of the puzzle. And I deeply, deeply believe that uh we first have to know ourselves so that we can understand and own the perspective, the lens through which we came here to see the world, and contribute that as part one of the pieces of the puzzle. Yeah, and again, moving into this next epoch in the in the chaos in the middle is emotional volatility because what we're moving into is emotional mastery, and until we can have mastery over ourselves, our minds, and our emotions and our perspective, if we can't come to a table and sit with with lots of people who have different perspectives, correctly different perspectives, and contribute in a sound way our jigsaw piece, yeah, and then sit and have everyone contribute their own jigsaw piece to the table, until we can do that, we can't fix and have the conversations that we need to be having. Right. One of my all-time favorite sayings is if if two people have the same perspective, same thoughts, same opinions, same view on everything, then one is not necessary.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

So true.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

Yeah, so true. We actually need people, but not sharing without thought, right? This is the whole point. You find your center, you find your core, you've run it through your system, and this is what you have to contribute to the table. Now we can now we have something to work with because it's also presented without emotional volatility. Now we can start the conversations, now we can make things um different, now we can actually have the conversations we need to be having.

SPEAKER_00 49:35

Wow, I can't wait for that. I can't wait to really see that change in Gorin. That's gonna change, I mean, on so many levels. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

This is it, it starts with us always. It's very easy to think, gosh, there's so much happening in the world. I I don't know how to contribute, I don't know what to do, and it can feel very um depressing and yeah, hope you can feel hopeless and you know, despair even, and it's not helpful. No, it's most helpful for us to get to know ourselves and be so good in ourselves that we hold the light for everybody who's dealing with it in their face. Right. If it's not directly in front of you, it's our duty, I I feel, to hold the light and to be in so much joy and so much pleasure and so much devotion and so much kindness, and just let that ripple out of you far and wide, um, and across the world. If you work with energetics, you can do all of that.

SPEAKER_00 50:34

Yeah, so true.

SPEAKER_01 50:35

Yeah, we are holding that for the people who can't because they're dealing with pure survival and intense trauma. So they can't do that. We that's that is our job. That's our job then. Um, and I think that's a huge contribution. Get to know yourself and also hold space for people who are in survival because they can't be worrying about self-discovery if they're if they're barely surviving.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

Yeah, yeah, of course, of course. Well, Sam, this was so great. I'm so excited. Um, if if you are here listening to this, it is Beyond Business as Usual, which will be tagged in the show notes, and we're gonna put a link so that um everybody can download and then they can also get in contact with you. Where are you on Instagram? Yes, I am Sam Michelle. Perfect. And so again, we'll put all this in the show notes and unlocking you in business. Even if you don't have a business, you're thinking of starting one or wanting to. I wish I had done this at the beginning of my business. It would have saved me so much time. Um but it was when we sat down and did that in this report, and again, I've I've been deep in astrology, deep in human design, and I have read the Gene Keys 25 times over. Like it's I love that book. This report and the way you put it together and the conversation with you was such a game changer. And I send a lot of my clients to you who are um on that part of their path because it gives you such a foundation to know how to move forward in your business and how you operate and like what is working for you. So if you are thinking of that, I highly recommend. Um, follow her on Instagram, download business as usual, uh beyond business as usual, and share it. If you're working in a corporate job right now, share it with the leadership team because there are big changes. And the more you can share it with the people you know, your leadership, like however you're involved in all of all of this process, um, the more we can get that word out there and help people make this shift. Because, like Sam said, there is like a volatility point in the middle, but you know, there's a lot of great ways we can navigate this far in advance.

SPEAKER_01 52:31

So thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. Thank you to everyone. It's yeah, it's been a pleasure. I love this. I'm obsessed with this conversation.