The Future of Healing is Ancient

What if the Earth already provides so much of what we need to heal?

In this episode, I sit down with Jason Ott, Integrative Health Consultant and Herbalist, to talk about herbal medicine, the intelligence of the body, spiritual gifts, and the connection between healing, nature, and true wellness.

We explore the lost wisdom of herbs, how herbal medicine works differently in the body, why so many people feel disconnected from natural healing, and the importance of combining spirituality with grounded healing practices.

This conversation is for anyone who feels there has to be more to healing than what we’ve been taught and wants to reconnect with the wisdom of the body and the earth.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome back to Break Free, everyone. I'm Kristen Shea, and I'm super excited to introduce you today to Jason. Jason is an integrative health specialist and herbalist, and he is actually someone that I am personally working with in my health journey. And so this month I've been bringing all of you, the healers that are working in the background with me to help me step into higher levels of health, higher levels of abundance and impact for all the things that I want to create. And so Jason's been a really important part of this journey. So welcome, Jason. I'm excited to have you.

SPEAKER_02 0:30

Yes, thank you for having me. And I think uh the gratitude and the feelings mutual.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

And so I like uh the same thing, like being able to work with and talk to people that we're helping each other, really, but it's only to help the masses, everybody, right?

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Absolutely. Absolutely. And people are always asking me, they're like, well, how do you do XYZ or what are you doing? And I'm like, I'm just gonna bring all the people who help me because there's a team of people who are helping me, like to be my best self, right? Um, and so what's funny is you actually came to me as a client and we were talking about your gifts and your visibility. And this is just such a testament to why um just being our authentic selves is so personal, is because as we were talking, you were telling me about the herbalism and your story, which I want to get into of how you even went down this space to help people with their health. Um, but then as we were tapping in and I was channeling with you, I could see how powerful your gifts were, like the spiritual gifts aspect of this, and that you yourself are a channel and that you're scanning the bot, you're doing more than you know, what is maybe in the scene or tangible aspect. And as soon as I saw that and then you confirmed it and were like, yeah, this is what I do, I was like, oh, I'm booking with you immediately. Like this is this is what I want because I love that um ability to bring everything together, right? Like we've got like true medicinal aspect of the herbal journey. You've got this integrative health aspect. And then when you bring the spiritual gifts together, like I feel like that's what like a magical combination. Um, and so I booked with you and we've been working together ever since, but you had a really powerful story about how you got into this line of work. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Yes, absolutely. Um, and I would say I echo that back. I mean, I know I'm coming from my expertise, but like your expertise helping with you know visibility and expansion for that person, but you're doing it through the three dimensions of mind, body, spirit. So it's like all of that. Um, so I'd echo the same thing back is it's nice to get help from people that see it the same way too.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:36

Um, also. So my journey, I would say, even though it was tied around physical events, like physically for my own mom or my own self, um, in the moment, that's all I thought it was. It was a physical event, right? And so I think that um her getting cancer, going through that, that was physical at the time, but it blew me open spiritually at a young age, right? So you start to see the world through a different lens for most of your childhood. And if anyone who's listening can verify that to where like you kind of feel like you're on the outside looking in, you're like, does anyone else see what's going on here? You know, and you're it's you start to question things, and then when other people around you, when you're younger anyway, don't question the same things, at first it can be scary to be visible and share your gifts. And so through that journey, I think there's a lot of I suppress my own self because I thought it made sense to me, and I thought I was connecting dots, but people in a authority that maybe push it back down, then you bounce back out of it. So I think it was a long journey of helping her, being a caretaker, then stepping into a professional, and then I think the the icing on the cake was being a patient myself and having to navigate uh the chronic illness world from that very material and physical aspect. There's not much from a spiritual and mental uh perspective when it comes to the healing, right? If that answers your question on the story, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

And prior to that, what were you doing? Prior to this, like prior to the experience with your mom and then your personal experience, like did you have another career trajectory in mind or were you on another path?

SPEAKER_02 4:26

Yes, I think that it was very rooted in the physical only. And so I looked at it very much so of like, okay, my mom, she beat the cancer, but it was the breakdown of the body. So I wanted to be let's do corrective exercise, let's do nutrition, let's help, you know, prevent this for people if they did make it through, whatever's going on. And so, but it was very like this, I felt like anyway. Um, and so that's what I thought I was gonna be doing a hundred percent of the time, even to the point I started working with high-level athletes, got to go out to Nike, and was working with corrective exercise in a in that way. And then it's funny how you come into a fork in a road where I could have gone that direction, but there would have been a big lack of spiritual and mental fulfillment. Um, and so yeah, that was a hundred percent my path thinking I was gonna do that. And then when my body broke down, I had to, you know, become a patient and go through that. That was that was the big spiritual shift. That was the dark night of the soul.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Yeah, yeah, that makes total sense. And so you are an integrative health consultant and an herbalist, and you said you call yourself not your not your average herbalist. Can you tell us about that aspect of it and more of the spiritual gifts that you kind of bring into everything you do?

SPEAKER_02 5:41

Well, that's a layer, honestly, you're helping me to speak more fluidly about. Sure. But I think that it started as people thinking herbs are just hippie stuff. And so maybe I'm gonna put it as like the corporate herbalist, you could say, but we gotta get used to bringing that back into like mainstream corporate wellness and even medical facilities because the rest of the world's doing it. We're here in America, but everyone else leads with food and herbs first. Let's see what we can do through lifestyle, but we're not here. So I think I'm trying to do a play on what most people uh think about herbalism as some hippie stuff, but it's even deeper than that because maybe I can't even work with you because mentally we're not there yet, or spiritually, there's a deeper why or purpose we need to investigate before we can actually have success healing the physical body.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

Right? So I really zoomed back out because looking back at my own journey, I don't think I really took action until there's enough self-love and enough spiritual purpose. Because I mean, I had high blood pressure and blood and all that stuff for four or five years, easy before um my stubborn self could not ignore it anymore.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

Right, right. Yeah. And it is also intertwined, right? Like the the emotional, I mean, the body keeps score. There's so many, there's so much documentation and and medical research out there at this point, even that that really points to our body is storing everything. But I think to your point, self-love is such an important part. And I think that's like a missing ingredient for so many people. And they're making change out of shame versus um out of a devotion for self. Like I see that even in my work when I work with people. It's not, it's not this devotion. Like I always tell clients, make the changes that you're making, whether it's in your physical health, your mental, your visibility journal, like as a devotion to unlocking your potential in this lifetime, self-love devotion to you in this path versus like I see everybody making change out of shame.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

That's huge, actually, because I can echo that as well. Um, because I'd probably say the biggest knock on me is I'm gonna lead the person to the water. But like if you want to drink, I am not gonna be your energy and motivation every day to drink. Right. I will definitely guide you, but like if you're gonna need that just to take the step, whether that's motivated by shame, guilt, whatever it is, um, that that can't be it. But even as simple as this, I was single for years, I cooked myself dinner. The amount of people that won't do that for themselves when it's just them because they go, Why? What's the point? It's just me. It's like, yeah. So don't you want to eat some good food yourself?

SPEAKER_03 8:28

Right.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

But they're like, well, why can't you be harder on me? Like, you want me to shame you into change? So when you bring that up, that resonates with me because of people wanting that kind of hard ass around the health and pushing somebody. And it's like, but that's limited.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

That's just yeah, you're never gonna get anywhere on willpower alone, um, which is what most people are relying on to make change. And so that's why things don't stick. That's why diets don't stick. That's what I mean. I'm speaking from my own personal experience of like years of being in that cycle. Um, and then with the people and clients that I get to work with, it's like until there's like some aspect of love where you're not like shaming yourself or like hard assing yourself through something, it's like, why do it that way? It's and it won't stick. It's so much harder. And you might be able to do it for six months. You may even be able to do it for a year, but long term, it's not going to stick because like it's not the right vibrational aspect. And at some point, you're gonna meet an edge, and that shame isn't gonna be enough to cross that edge and keep with that consistency. The only way you can do that is like truly an act of self-love and devotion to yourself, your potential, your family. Like for me, it's I really just think about like, you know, I don't want to leave this planet until I have fully unlocked and lived in my wildest potential.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

Yeah. And what could that be? That's the exciting part.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Yeah. It could everything and everything and under the sun. Like I want to experience it all. I want to do it all. There's so much more that I feel like I'm just getting started in life. And so, you know, um, that's part of the reason. Like when we connected, I was like, oh, I want to work with you because you have this other, this other side to what you do. And I think, you know, we speak the same language in a lot of ways. And one of the things that I'm working with you on is chronic constipation. I've been constipated my entire life. Like, I don't think I've ever had a normal working digestive system or being able to go to the bathroom. And so what I also loved was like you went through a whole process, but then you like meditated and talked to spirit about what was happening as well. And you kind of brought then everything back together. So, what is your typical process like with that?

SPEAKER_02 10:38

I'll try to put that into words for you. Yes, absolutely. But I mean, I think it's if anyone is getting any sort of intuitive response or intuitive messages, it's it's like learning your own language, right? Like it's you can relate to someone else, but how you might receive a message or connect a dot is going to be different than maybe how I do. And so what I found trial and error talking to people, working with people intentionally, and then also just repetition was I really I learned the time that I learned that not everyone sees things in their head as images, like movies, it doesn't happen for everyone. So when I started to connect a dot, and someone said, Have you ever just asked somebody about what you see and in your head and then seeing what comes out of their mouth? And when I started doing it, they're like, Oh my gosh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I just saw a clip of that, is what I felt like, right? And as we talk, I'm getting chills right now because it's just like that is what started to happen. And once I connected the dot finally, it took a long time to actually understand what that that was, that communication, right? Um, now it's easier to access, I guess. So as I hear and speak and talk to somebody, that stuff just plays. And then, of course, through confirmation, you ask questions and and you start to connect some dots that maybe weren't before because it's it's not gonna show up on a lab test.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Yeah, so true. There's so yeah, there's so much that's not gonna be detected in a lab test. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

So that would be the start of it. Get your story, but I do it from your perspective first. I don't want to look at all your labs first. I don't want to be another doctor, I don't want to go through that. We can look at that after the fact, and I can help you get testing all that stuff if we need something specific, but there's always, always, always multiple clues in someone's journey from their perspective and their language that maybe they've never even told doctors over their years, right? And so that's the conversation I want to have, and that's where we get insights outside of the box, so to speak.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Right. Yeah, that makes sense. And one of the the hits that you were getting both intuitively, but then also from like our discussion was mycotoxins, right? Like a I needed needing to do a mold detox.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Yes. Yeah, yes, because there's only certain things. Um, and if you want a specific part, is once you start to learn how to meditate and do things like that. When you brought up the part of, well, think about somebody, meditate on their history, ask the question. I think I asked you, is there questions you have? So it's uh more of a uh cooperative.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:22

Um, and so when you do that and then you see what happens, part of what I tried to do is label what I see as colors too. And so what's showing up in someone's body and that happens as well, um, whether it's an aura or something else around them or in them in the picture that we're getting. So um that was the only thing that was showing up. Everything else, it was like check mark, check mark, check mark for you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Yeah. And then you put together, which I really loved, is because I I've been on a long Western medicine journey, a long functional medicine journey, which at this point I'm putting functional medicine almost in the same category in many ways. There are some great practitioners, but I think the industry itself um has gotten off track. And a few years ago, I started to really come back to herbs. Like my guides really started bringing me back to herbal medicine of like the earth already provides it. We don't need all these man-made chemicals. We need to bring your body back to like its homeostasis, and that happens through the earth. And so not only did you have like the herbal background to tell me what to take, the best part for me was you made this giant jug of the concoction I need to take every day, which I love because I come from this place where I was taking like, you know, a hundred capsules a day from functional practitioners, where it was like, I even swallowing a pill now is like hard for me because it's been such a, I don't know, I just have fatigue of that, right? It's a pill fatigue. Yeah, it is. It's like, ugh, it gives me the Kibie Gibbs even thinking about it. So being able to take like one or two supplements and then have this liquid mixture that I just it's so easy. I'm not buying 20 things, you know, offline, trying to make everything at home, which if people want to do that, great. I mean, amen to that, right? But you just sent me this and I got it in the mail, and I'm just like, oh my God, all I have to do is every day take a tea tablespoon and a half of this in my water and it's done for the day. And that's like such a relief to me. So you've made it so easy to integrate into somebody's routine, which a lot of people don't do, surprisingly.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Oh, yeah. Uh, I mean, and that might have originated from a selfish mindset too, follow me on this. But do I want to teach someone and consolidate it, make it work for them so it can actually work long term? So it becomes part of your subconscious, right? And then that frees you up to continue the healing of the other parts of you that you're working on. Like that's gonna take up so much energy that that's all you can think about, and you're so stressed by it, because that's not the way you heal.

unknown 15:58

Right.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

If you're really stressed, so it's and I think part of that's being a patient. Like I've had stuff shoved down my throat or seen that process. Like there has to be a better way to coach someone through building a frame of thought and their own structure so that they're not if they want to talk to me, great, but they're not dependent. That's a big difference, right? That's a huge difference.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

Yeah. And how did how were you like truly drawn into working with herbs in this way? Like, because I feel like you do it in a very unique way. Um I feel like it's not the same modality everybody else does. Like, even if we took your spiritual gifts aside, I still feel like you're doing even the herbal aspect differently.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Yeah, that's probably twofold. One is it came later in life. Yeah. Um, so like how I approached it had such a lens of experience. I'd worked with enough people to know I can't just force or try to talk someone in. So it changed how I approached finding the information. And then knowing that there was numerous ways to take that person based on their answers. So there are people that love to make their own tea. They get pounds of their herbs and they make it in the recipe. Great. But a larger percentage just wants to get to the point. So I tried to zoom out and go, if what are the things in my life that I hire people for?

SPEAKER_03 17:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

And do I want to do all that crap? Or do I want to know what I need for myself and then have it catered to my life so I can actually execute on it, but it doesn't take away from the rest. So try to take, once again, the patient mindset into the advice I give.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

If that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

No, it makes total sense. I think that's the missing piece for so many because even um, you know, I work with a Chinese medicine doctor, and even that sometimes I can, it can be like, okay, here's 30 bottles of the things you need to take. And I'm like, well, I can't, I'm not gonna do that. Like, I will not stay consistent with that for the period of time you need me to in order to get the change, right? Like I'll do it for a couple of weeks and then I'm gonna start gagging or get sick again from taking all these capsules. Like that consistency piece, I feel like so many are missing. Like they're not viewing it from their own patient experience, you know?

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Yes. If you have been, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's very true.

SPEAKER_02 18:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

What do you most often see that people are struggling with? Is there kind of like a pretty common root cause that you see people coming in with that is like at the base of chronic illness?

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Yes. And that is also why I think I, though I specialize in the physical body and that part, um, that is probably the last part someone needs to focus on once they see me. Because they they've already got all these things they've tried. They've tried whether it's Western meds or supplements or diets, okay, great. But what is the common denominator on why it didn't stick? It always seems to come back to either an emotional like mindset, there's something off there mentally that you need to establish a new belief, there's you know, self-limiting beliefs, there's something there, or a deep lack of spiritual purpose and understanding of that connection.

unknown 19:15

Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Maybe it's intertwined for a lot of us too, but it got to the point that it's like if the person can wrap their brain around one of those and find a home base for like them, because that's like them connecting to them, yeah. The physical body, you will start to be able to be consistent because you're looking at the world different.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

So I got to the point of like I got I understand the physical body enough that if I can get that person to do it, we can heal, we can go in the right direction physically. But the mental or spiritual piece is what holds back majority of people. In me, it was the spiritual part.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:51

Like I had to hit that bottom, I had to find like, okay, this is what my life's supposed to be about.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

It's hard to see obstacles after that.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Yeah, absolutely. That's a good point. I like that. It's hard to see obstacles once you yeah, it's like once you know, you know, and you can't unknow, you can't unsee it.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

Yeah, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

Which is powerful.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

So I think those are huge and they're avoided, and we get so stuck on these physical diagnosis, physical labels, everything's projected outside of ourself.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Yeah, yeah. I so agree with that. And I've seen so often in my own work um with clients, they will come in and they will have been on the the, you know, healing physical healing journey for a really long time. And when they finally face the thing that they are most afraid of, that physical illness goes away. And so tell me what you think about this. Cause this is something I've been like kind of getting some downloads on and I haven't fully channeled into it. Um, but it also kind of aligns with my own personal experience. So, kind of a twofold here with illness is that um I think we are only susceptible to chronic illness if we are staying on a timeline too long that we're not meant to be on anymore. To get our attention, to like to get our attention, but also because our vibration is low. And so then we become open. Like I even think about um Lyme six years ago. I had I was really like deep in a Lyme healing journey. And like when I look back at any chronic issue, um it really the timeline aspect is so aligned. And even with clients, I see that sometimes I actually think it was my own body because there was so much fear. I think my body was creating things so I didn't have to move forward. Um and like, yeah, I know these things are from the outside. Like some people will be like, no, you could only get Lyme if you got bit by a tick and da-da-da. Like I get that, but I also believe if I wasn't afraid of moving forward, that tick could have bit me and had Lyme and I still wouldn't have resonated with me, right? So I almost think like there are times when my body did things as a form of sabotage in a way, like self sabotage because I was so afraid to move forward in life. And then there are times. Times where like my vibration got so low because I was staying on a timeline that had I had outgrown many, many times ago. And so I feel like that's the base of chronic illness, actually. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_02 22:12

I think there's a lot of truth there. And I think that because so this is when you bring this up, no matter where that emotional aspect came from of that has a person stuck.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

I'm part of a networking group that there's mental health uh therapists, OTs, doctors, there's all different perspectives, right? And we had a discussion about autoimmune, and the question came up from everyone's perspective, everyone's differently trained, but we all believe in mind, body, spirit here. What does everyone believe the core root when they really get down to the nitty-gritty of their patients? What starts that? And we all came back to these deep emotional fractures, so to speak. And so whatever that does physically, but we know what it does spiritually.

unknown 22:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:57

These fractures that happen, then this ripple effect. So I agree with you that I was on both a timeline that needed to be a changed, and since I wasn't doing it, it was done for me to some degree. But then also, yes, the low vibration. You seek solutions, solutions that really aren't. They're just to get you through the moment to the next day.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Yeah. Um did the doctors in your in your group and yourself have a perspective of like what those fractures are? Is there like a is it like generally shame or generally fear, or is there like certain fractures that you guys see that are kind of at the core of this?

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Not with a label of an emotion, but it seems to be it happens before like seven, eight years old.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

So whatever that is, and then whatever that implants as emotion, but those deeper fractures that it's like you gotta go back to that.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

Um to release, to reframe, to let go of, whatever that is.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:55

So we didn't land on a specific emotion other than a time frame.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Got it. That makes sense. Yeah. And that I mean that zero to seven is like such a crucial time that kind of anchors in so much of our experience and reality, and we're we're just like at the mercy of whatever adults are around us.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

Especially when we're young, like when you get six oh young or vice versa, it's just like, okay, what the heck just happened there? You know?

SPEAKER_00 24:20

Right. Right. It's so true. So true. So interesting. So um, do a lot of a lot of you in the group do a lot of inner child work, like as part of the modality of getting them back to that seven, eight-year-old who needs to reframe release?

SPEAKER_02 24:36

There were some that, yes, that get there, uh, whether they're using somatic or if it's more technical like uh conventional, like EMDR, so to speak, or even uh different spiritual practices. Um, some are outside of the box too. But yeah, I think it is. It's like, how do you feel safe and reframe? Um, and I think we all agree, I think the most challenging ones are the ones that maybe we can't consciously recollect. Cause like I have some of those a lot of people do, and that that's hard to chase if you can't put your finger on it, right? You know something happened, but um, it's a little different if you can go back to an experience and see it from someone's perspective now as an adult.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

Like, oh yeah, they didn't know what they were doing. Yeah, I should let that go. You know?

SPEAKER_00 25:26

What do you do with the ones that don't have that specific recollection? Because there's so many people I talk to, and then even myself included, I'm like, I know these things happened, but there aren't these like things I can attach to it, and I have a lot of clients with that. What do you do in that scenario?

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Uh personally, I see how open the person is first. Yeah, because if they don't believe in it, I don't think it's gonna release and work the way if they need it to. But I think that's where you have to go to more of um somatic spiritual practices of release. Um, but then also I don't know where you stand on this, but when you said body keeps the score of like fascia-wise, nervous system-wise, it's all through our body. Is there parts that need to be still released? And through physical releases, if you have somebody that understands both, you can get both.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Right.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

Um, in like using the physical tangible to let go of that emotion, or if that makes sense. I'm trying to put it into the right words.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

No, it does, because that was even part of the protocol you gave me, right? It was like the three-layer myofascial releasing, working with like a pelvic floor specialist. Like there was different aspects. So there was like, you know, a very clear food plan of what to incorporate, not incorporate the herbal aspect, but then there was those other pieces that um were part of the protocol that you were giving me for everything that I'm working on.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

Yeah, yeah. And I and I usually don't know what that is. I just know that hey, it'll help you, you know?

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

Investigate that.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Right. Yeah, I like that you kind of send people also down a rabbit hole in that, right? Like of this self-discovery journey. Cause I think so many people are looking for the answer. I mean, we all are in some capacity, but I think like for me, I'm a Virgo son. So I live down the rabbit hole. Like I am generally down one all of the time, very rarely, like not in one. I and if I, especially when it comes to health stuff, I could go down, you know, that for six hours researching a specific herb and reading everything and watching all the podcasts. Like, I love it. Um, but I like that your work does that too, because I feel like that's so empowering for people. And then they start to like, you know, um, what is that skill? Uh what's the word? I mean, there's the problem solving, but it's also um critical thinking. I feel like that is a skill um with so many people. And like that, when we send someone down a rabbit hole, they start to retrain their brain as well to be more self-sufficient in these ways, which I think is important.

SPEAKER_02 27:59

Yes. I agree. And I'd say that's probably the biggest knock of people that don't like working with me is I'm not gonna give all the answers. I'm gonna I want the critical thinking because like that's I feel like my greatest changes is when no matter who I was hiring or working with, they help me do that, and that formulates a new belief and a new way to operate every single day for me, right?

SPEAKER_03 28:20

Right.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

You can't tell someone to do that, you have to live that. So I would say that in your the same way of like you gotta go live that, go through that. Um, but you encourage the person to do that, right, to find that journey.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

Yeah, it's so important. And I think, you know, even now, like with AI and the information overload with social media, there's so many things I feel like critical thinking and discernment are the two skills that people are really lacking. And that scares me in a lot of capacities, but it really scares me when it comes to people's physical health, because you have to be your own advocate. I don't know how many doctors misdiagnosed me, ignored me, like the whole thing. And I only now feel like because I go down these rabbit holes and am able to find like these practitioners like yourself that, you know, I kind of bring like a team together that feels good and supportive in all different aspects, but there's so many people that like they don't have that skill set, which makes sense. We're not taught it. And then when they're dismissed by a doctor or they're given a protocol or something, and it's like has nothing to do with the thing they're actually working on. And then they're spending all this money and all this time, they don't get the results. And then people actually give up on that health journey. Like, I even have family members who have given up on the health journey where they're just like, this is just life, you know.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

Yes, I do. I do. I do. And I think that that is what I try to cultivate because whether I'm okay if someone's annoyed because that's the way I coach or go about it, because I know that's the ultimate way they need to go through it, right? Uh, but I agree, it's almost like most of the convenience items that get uh set into our life take away the ability to critically think. They call it convenience, they call it making life easier. But to your point, is it is pulling us away from our intuition and critical thought.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:15

And that's that's scary, like in itself.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

That's very scary, and even more so with more and more AI coming out, which like AI is incredible, it's a powerful tool. Something I always teach people is like you're either the operator or you're the operated. So you're either operating AI or it's operating you. You're operating food or it's operating you. Like it's, you know, there's that balance. And I feel like, you know, because these skills aren't taught anywhere, so many people are being operated by these systems and they lose that ability to advocate for themselves.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

100%. That is that might be the crux of the issue across any part of our health and development.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Oh, totally. Yeah. I honestly, the operator versus operated is like it's everything. Social media, you're either operating it or it operates you and you're hooked on the dopamine and the scrolling food system. Like I myself was addicted to sugar, right? I had a sweet treat every single day, like no matter what. I always had a sweet treat after dinner. Um, I was addicted to sugar, like not even fully realizing it, even though most of my diet was really clean otherwise. Um, so there's that's me being operated, right? Versus me operating the food system and being really in touch with intuitive eating and you know, different aspects of like how things actually work. It's like every area of our life, we're either in control or we're letting it control us.

SPEAKER_03 31:33

It's not scary, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Like, I mean, it's not scary if you know how to navigate. Um, and for 37 years, I did not. Like, I'm I feel like I'm just learning that in these last couple of years of really what it means to be like a creator and truly be empowered. Um, but yeah, it's I think if you look at any situation and you're like, am I operating this or is this operating me? You'd be really surprised at the answers you get.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

I I agree. And that is like probably would be the top fear. If I did have a fear, that would be the closest thing to a fear. Is I would hate to get to the end of the road and go, I didn't call the shots, right? Like I didn't direct this ship and like this was my shot, you know, like to be able to do that. Um I know, and the system itself kind of sets that into your place too of like this is what you're supposed to do now, shh, and go do it.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

Yeah, yeah. They start us out in in preschool. It's like compliance and silence, right? Like the whole education system.

SPEAKER_03 32:35

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

Be a cog in the wheel, follow this path, do the thing you're supposed to do. Don't think too much about it. Make sure you're watching TV and you're distracted with all of these things. And, you know, you never get to know yourself or your intuition. And so it's like, you know, the awakening process is uh quite the life jolt, but a beautiful process in and of itself. But yeah, the system is designed to keep us uh busy and occupied, too busy occupied to be ourselves or to even be our best version of whatever that self is that day, right? It's like if you look at convenience, Burger King, McDonald's, Starbucks, like the vending machines, and just it's you know, that can it what they're doing is packaging poison as convenience, you know?

SPEAKER_02 33:20

And uh and that starts with saying no from not like I got a physical health problem, I'm gonna say no. It starts with that mental and spiritual aspect. And so it just becomes glaring if you're around it long enough, or if you start to look at your own self and go, Whoa, who was who was calling the shots there? Because that wasn't who I feel like I am as like a spirit as my soul. So, like what was that? Why was I living that way? Like it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

Yeah, it really is. It's it's interesting that that soul's journey. Um, last night I was teaching a workshop in person. I mentioned to you, and um, you know, the thing that everybody is afraid of when it comes to visibility is literally just the journey, like the human experience, like being a human. It's like it's embarrassing, it's like embarrassing, right? Like it carries just you're innately embarrassed to have the human experience. And there's like the shame and the fear, and all of like I'll be abandoned, I'll be rejected. Will my family be, especially if we're sharing spiritual gifts? Well, will my family say about this? Like, I have to become this whole other person. And um it's it's like it's not even a it's like just a baked-in part of the human experience that nobody ever gets out of. Like we all have to move through it, and I think it's the thing that people avoid the most. And when you look at it, it's like the shared human experience is what we're all avoiding.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Yes, yes, and then if someone else is doing it different than us, we're comfortable if they do, right? So I agree with you. It's the unknown of living that authentic experience. Yeah, because it was even when I started talking about what I would think would be a very positive thing to share. Like, I had this autoimmune diagnose, I don't have it, it took me this long. These are the things I did. In the beginning, it was like I felt like everyone's like, This is great, we can do something about this and be pumped. And that wasn't the reaction. It was actually there was the people close to me, like some of my friends, and that hey, this is awesome, but it was met with a lot of resistance. Like, what do you mean? Well, you eat that way, I could never eat that way, and it became this you versus me, or well, you can do it, and I can't, and it was this talking into of a certain thing, and it's like that is a human experience thing.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

Come join me, come over here, yeah, we can do this together, but for some reason, it's like, man, you get out of the status quo, and people don't know, you don't know what's gonna come out of their reaction emotionally because I don't know about you, but I've had the a big degree of reactions from being embarrassed or someone getting mad or someone being excited or trying to do something behind your back, whatever it is, it's like it it weirds people's emotions out when you live your authentic self.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

It does. It's very triggering for people because it really forces them, whether they realize it or not, to unconsciously look at the fact that they are not living their authenticity, right? That they may not even know who that is. I know, I'd like, and I'm guilty of this. I would totally be triggered by that earlier on in my life. Like I'd be like, well, I don't know what to do with this person. They're, you know, going after their dreams, they're really being all out there with something. Um, I don't think I ever had adverse reactions to them, but it definitely triggered me on the inside of like, why can't, you know, that be my experience? What am I missing here? Like there was always that peace. But yeah, in my even in my own journey, I find um, you know, I definitely there was friendships that disintegrated throughout the process of becoming who I truly am because I did literally become a different person, right? I like shed all my survival identity. Um, there's people who still don't understand what I do, and it does trigger people, and it's it's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

Um to your point, it I was living the same human experience. Like I felt the same insecurity that person was feeling just because I was living different, but it's like, hey, I feel the same thing. If that makes sense, like in you or two, you're like, I'm gonna step into my purpose. And if someone did get their feathers ruffled, you're like, dude, this isn't easy for me either.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

Right. Like this is uncomfortable for everybody involved.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Yeah, yeah. It's a shared human experience. Like, yes, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 37:37

Yeah, but people don't know if they if they can't put you in a category, they don't know what to do with you, right? Or if you don't, if you are different from the category that they're in. And I think this also all goes back to like the critical thinking skills of being able to actually like take in information and decipher it yourself to know what to do with it versus, oh, this is different, I don't like it.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

Right. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

Yeah.

unknown 38:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

What do you think in your industry specifically when it comes to like health and herbalism? Is there like a message that you just wish everybody, like you could, if you could get on a megaphone to the world, to the pole planet would hear you? What would that message be?

SPEAKER_02 38:15

Uh, medications and herbs are not the same. So stop picking either or stop making it seem like if you do one, the other one can't happen, or if you do one, you're gonna kill yourself if you have the other. It's like they're two different things doing two fundamentally different things in the human's body that you have to understand. One is for the structure, function, and nourishing of organs. No medication does that. There's no nourishment from medication. The only reason a synthetic medication can work is because it'll take nutrients from the body and stimulate through chemicals a physical response, whether that's painkillers or dopamine or whatever it is, right? But they are fundamentally two separate things and people wrap them up as if they are one. Sure, there are a few um contraindications, but you know what two things every American or most Americans do that have more contraindications with every pharmaceutical drug. And guess what? These two things are perfectly legal. Caffeine and alcohol have more contraindications with every pharmaceutical drug than any herb that exists. Check me on it.

SPEAKER_00 39:30

Wow, yeah. So what do we do? And it's like not only accepted, it's like pressured in society, right? And like served to us on a platter, coffee station on every or coffee shop on every block, every every sports ad is around alcohol.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

Wow, wow, how many of those don't absorb if you do them with a nutrition or something like or like with if you're drinking alcohol with this medication or that? Like it's just interesting that that is the message in America at least that we've been sent.

unknown 40:03

Right.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

Um, but that would be the thing I would yell is like stop separating and going this way is like they're two different things.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

Right. Yeah, I think that's such a good point. I never even thought of that in a sense of like there is no medication out there that nourishes and supports the organs, it's always like a butt, like a fake simulator, stimulator of something.

SPEAKER_02 40:22

Let's just help the chemicals in the blood, and hopefully that keeps organs okay for a while.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Wow. That's one way, yeah, yeah. Temporary if it if it does it at all. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

But knowing that is the first step of saying, okay, I should use that to save my life short term. And long term, I need to pivot and go to the things that build up my structure function so I don't need this again. Because that's what it's for. It's life-saving, it's not long-term chronic treatment.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Right, right. And if there was like one herb that you feel like everybody should take, what would be the one thing? I know that's probably hard for you to pick.

SPEAKER_02 41:00

It is, but I'm gonna stay with nervous system because I feel like that tends to be like from a spiritual perspective perspective, it's like that's our receiving line. And if our nervous system is frazzled, how do we get that authentic communication back into the body in a lot of different ways? Uh, so I'd have to go with lemon balm because it's a nourisher, it's the vagus nerve, but it's also very antipathogenic. Um, and it's it's radioprotective too. So everyone wants to talk about 5G and radioactivity and EMF. Um, lemon balm protects you from even that exposure too. So it's a yeah, radio protective. So you get a layering effect of helping your nervous system from a lot of the things that pull energy from our body.

SPEAKER_00 41:52

Right. I did not know that about lemon bomb with the EMF. That's good to know.

unknown 41:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:58

So it does a lot of things. Okay, so lemon bomb is the one that you would recommend. And then, you know, there's been a lot of times in my journey that I have not had the finances to be able to afford the health care or things that I needed. So one thing that's really important to me is that there's always something we can offer people that doesn't cost any money. Are there a couple things that you could say, like if you are in a situation where you are feeling ill, you are not feeling well, but you don't have the ability to get care, what are a couple things that people could do maybe today to start making some change there?

SPEAKER_02 42:29

I love the question because that is probably the fork in the road that caused me to go towards spirit more than anything. Because when I was finally sick, diagnosed, all that stuff, I didn't have insurance. And I'd spent so much money, I was single, just started a business, all this, and my health broke. And when it did, it was actually in the pinnacle of a bankruptcy at the same time. So when you say no money, oh, there's no money. So it was your budget of what you have and only what you have, and what can you do with it? So me going, there has to be a way. If God's will, there's a way or universe, whatever your belief is. So it was me through prayer going, what can I do? Well, you have a budget for this much food, so you can change all that food and use the same budget for these things that'll start to heal the body, and then you can work towards, and that's where herbalism came in. That's when I started finding people that were using nature and the cheap connection back to do what they could when they can do it. And so my first year was more like, I'm just gonna do what I can to hopefully slow some things. And it turned out I made way more progress than I ever thought. And by the time I got insurance, I was like, Well, I'm gonna keep on this road because they told me this couldn't happen, and it is, so I'm gonna see how far this goes. So when I look at anyone's situation, is if there is a way for you. To start addressing health from a better sleep cycle, drinking the correct amount of liquids, whatever budget you do have with food and nourishing, take the same budget and can we upgrade it to stuff that starts to build up your body in any way, shape, or form? Because if you can, we start there and we start moving that direction. And I think that is when you brought up the part about the emotional healing and the root. I had a lot of time. I might not have a lot of money to go like buy or do all that stuff, right? But I had time to dive into myself and ask myself, what is going to pull me through life spiritually and mentally? What's holding me back? What are these self-limiting beliefs? So it was like there's a lot you can do to start getting better balance in your body and helping your immune system, even if you don't have the money or insurance.

SPEAKER_01 44:53

Right.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

So like that's where I'd say is like the three-prong approach. I call it the bean triad mind, body, spirit is do what you can do with the things you have. Um, and guess what? It's like, how could I lie to myself? Like it's super uncomfortable to dive into your emotional stuff, but dude, you have the reality of your life. Like, I felt like I had to.

SPEAKER_01 45:13

Like, uh it was like you can choose nowhere else to go.

SPEAKER_02 45:16

Yeah. Yeah. Like it's like, what are you gonna do? Like, you've come to the pinnacle. So it's like those are the things that I think that we've looked past, and a big part of what I've tried to ground people back in is like you're skipping steps on a foundation.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

Right.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

Have we done that yet? And most people don't.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

Right. Yeah, that's really important. And I love the same budget for groceries, but can we just upgrade it? I think that's that's right, right? Because there's there's some simple ways and simple tweaks and little things you can do, like removing the gluten or you know, maybe a little bit less packaged foods each week, a little bit less, a little bit less, maybe a little bit fresher or something, like just little things that you can do to upgrade your nourishment. I think is such an easy, accessible one that people could start implementing, like literally right now. Yeah, amazing. Well, Jason, where can people find you?

SPEAKER_02 46:10

The easiest would be empowered prevention. So empowered prevention dot com. Um, that would take you there, and then you could find all my social media. But pretty much everything is at empowered prevention um or abbreviation of it. So no matter what the social handle is, I have one of them up there. Um, that would be the best thing, and then you can reach out anyway through there.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

Cool. And is there anything you recommend them do, like a certain service you want people to guide people towards?

SPEAKER_02 46:44

Specifically, I think whether you'd grab the book, the audiobook, or you have a session with me or many, you are zooming out to find the scope of what maybe you're not aware of. So whatever is easiest for you to do, because if you don't have the cash to pay for a session, if you can grab an audiobook, if you can get a book somewhere, the point is trying to figure out how to think differently and become aware of the things that are right under our nose that we're not told about. So you can go find them in your city. So I think that awareness that would be the big thing. I try to share plenty of that for free. But if you need the bioindividual part of it, a consultation and diving in deep, we can do that and figure out what we're missing.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

Amazing. Well, thank you so much. I think this has been super, super helpful. And I'm excited for people to have an opportunity to meet you, hear about your perspective, and maybe even work with you in a more one-to-one capacity. Cause I know it's been such a game changer for me. And I just think you have um a really wonderful way of approaching how people are healing with their physical health, um, but bringing in the mind and the body and the spiritual. So thank you so much. I appreciate it.