Episode 9 - Louria (Brain fog and weight gain in menopause)

Listen to a chat with Louria as we discuss weight gain and brain fog associated with menopause.

Erin is the creator and host of Menopause Chats. She is also a somatic and intuitive coach who helps women in the in-between live with more magic and intention through her signature approach The 5 Cs of Becoming Her. More information at: www.pauseandalign.com

The stories shared in Menopause Chats are not intended as medical advice, but for information and entertainment. Please seek a medical professional for specific advice regarding your menopause journey. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Hi everyone, welcome to Menopause Chats. I'm Erin Daruska and delighted that you're here. And even more delighted that my friend Luria is here who is going to talk to us today. So good to see you. Thank you so much for being here. So I'd love to hear where where are you on your journey?

SPEAKER_00 0:21

Oh, I'm flouring. I'm fully, I know, which journey. I am fully menopausal. Like there, it's a wrap, which is which is great. Um, kinda. Um, the the 25 extra pounds sucks. Um, you know, I would love to have some of those, whatever those hormones are that help regulate weight. Um, because if I look at a cookie, I gain a pound and I've never really had that problem before. So um that's that's where I am on my journey. Like, you know, um, but that's my biggest thing is weight. It's like your metabolism just slows down, and you get because of the lack of hormones, you get like achiness that I've never had before, like bone aches. Get up, you're sore and stiff. Um, yeah, that's that's the no-fun. And then just not having people to talk to about. There's not like you like I went to this like lifestyle. They were trying to talk about it, but it was it felt very generic. It felt like, you know, like you have like when you call in and you're like, my computer isn't working. They say, Have you restarted it? Have you done this? They kind of like gave you like what to eat. And I'm like, well, that diet doesn't work for people in menopause, eating little meals all day. First of all, that my body doesn't do that, it doesn't burn the same way, and every woman is different. So I wish they had more information or specialty um, you know, doctors to just talk to women way before menopause of how we should eat and help maintain our bodies and the you know, keep our bones. My I broke my finger, my you know, stuff breaks easier. Um, so it would that would be nice if they put some care into women's health.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

What? You're asking for a little too much.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

No, just because we can't now well, you know, birth babies or you know, or whatever. We're not, I don't know, we're not useful.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

I don't know what it is, but yeah, I'm not I am of no use to society at this point.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you can't do anything now. So, you know, go be the what was that, Aunt Lydia on the maze? Go be something weird, you know.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

So I always thought I'd probably end up being one of the people that get stuck working in the field.

SPEAKER_00 2:51

I know. Um, but I love that you're doing this because um it's important, you know, really important. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Yeah, and it I mean, and I think there are resources, and there obviously are resources out there now, and and I think more so than before. But to your right, it's not a one size fits all in finding a practitioner that can like work with you specifically versus being like, here's what everyone should do. And I I don't think I've shared this on here. So I was looking at like working with trainers and things like that. And I was interviewing inter like part of the program, the person was uh it interviewed you to see if you're you know, one, if you you were finding out about the program, they were finding out about you. But she kept saying to me this annoyed me so bad, oh we'll help you get your high school body back, we'll help you get back into the body you were in high school. Yeah, I made a similar face but she couldn't see me because it was on the phone because I thought my body was worse in high school. First off, so I don't want to be back in my high school body. Uh and two, like I there was not a point a part of me at all that said anything about wanting to get back into my old body. I was talking about wanting to be functionally fit, wanting to just be stronger, wanting to make things easier for me as I age, right? Being able to continue to move and be active. I don't need to be, you know, in a some sort of bodybuilding competition or you know, some some Miss America pageant or something like that. I don't no, I don't need that. I would need to feel comfortable, I'd like my clothes to fit. And I would like to be able to, you know, pick pick up grocery bags, you know, walk up and down the stairs with ease, like that sort of thing. I'm not asking for a whole lot. But the no put off. I mean, I I obviously didn't work for the program because I was so put off by the oh, we'll get you back. And it's just was not listening at all.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Well, no, because they have a spill, they're not listening to you know, the listening skills. They were in level one of what I need. I don't care what you talk about. Let me sell you this miracle. Because everybody, I don't need I was small, I definitely don't want to be 108 pounds. I was so skinny, I would look sick, you know. So definitely it's like, but I want something, and you know, talk to me about that. It's the care that is behind it that to me I think is important because they don't do that, they only talk to you when you come to complain about it. But where is the preventative methods or just the discussion? Like, I see you're this age, and you know, you may become here's some like beforehand, just to like ease you into it.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

It's just like putting it like it's it starts at what 35-ish for for like actually it could start that early, right? And if that's the case, why yeah, why aren't we given like pamphlets or something? Like, you know, when you go to your gynecologist for your you know, your pap or whatever, it's like, hey, so things to start to think about.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

Yeah. When they run your blood work, right? They run your they can see your hormonal levels and start talking to you and saying, here, I want to set you up because it's gonna be quite different. Here's how you can eat your mood. So when I first started, I was didn't know what was going on with me. Brain fog, I couldn't remember words. Like I thought I was going senile, first of all. And I was like, I think I am losing my mind. I couldn't like, I was like, what is this thing called? Uh it wasn't a phone, it was like small things because you get brain fog.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

And so, but it makes you feel like you're losing your mind, like you might have Alzheimer's. And that's what I thought was happening to me. But if they would have told me that this is completely normal, and the way I learned was I went to because I was so out of it, I was like, Oh, I'm so depressed. I went to the support group um for also grief. Um, because someone had died, and and these older women were like, I'm having brain fog. And it was like, oh, that's just your mental part. They literally and they laughed, oh girl, I just wish, you know, and it was like, Oh, is that what it is? And they said it could be grief, and I was like, Oh, it's also you're going. And if someone would have just told me, I wouldn't have felt crazy. And then your moods drop a lot, and so you become depressed because your your serotonin is low. So I I started taking like SAM E and it really helped me. But before that, I was on hormone pills, and they were like, Oh, or whatever, and that didn't work for me. So I know it works for a lot of people, but I gained like eight pounds in in two weeks, and they were like, Oh, that's probably your menopause. I was like, Chick, I've never, so I stayed on it and it would increase my mood, but it and I just didn't like it because it was just I I went off of it, it was making me feel kind of crazy, and I just stopped taking like SAMI, which is uh raises serotonin levels. I take another alpha GPC for it raises those and like energy boosting, and that helped but I have to take it every day because if not, I was curled up on the couch, like a like just I was like, I can't get off the couch because your serotonin, they're so low. And what also helped my doctor when I came, I moved, I moved back where I am a year ago, and I went out, I was like, this is not helping. She was like, Let's let's take you off this because it doesn't work for everyone, it's not working for you. Um, and she says, What do you do for activity? Do you like so I'm very active? And so she was like, Go start working out. I start playing volleyball outdoors, and all of a sudden I had way more energy. So I play volleyball like two, three times a week. I go ride my bike when I can because it's cold here sometimes, but I keep active and I take that, and I'm so much, or I just was meeting with um for a diet, like, how can I lose weight? And he said, instead, like, if you're just like, what am I supposed to be doing right now? He says, get up, go outside, even in the winter, and take a walk. He's as soon as you go outside, there's something about being outside and energize, and it will, and then I'll be like, I want to ride my bike. So it's helping me lose weight, but it's also helping my mood. Now, the aches and pains, I someone needs to shoot me with some estrogen or something because um be it sitting on the couch, and then you get up and you're like, and you get up, you get up like this. It's weird. You're like, and I'm bent, I'm like, okay, now you know, activate the back. And I'm like, it doesn't happen all the time, but sometimes I'm stiff and I'm like, whoa, like, oh, or my leg or knee, and I'm like, she's like, that is just she's like, it's just menopause. She's like, it's sab, you know, and so you know, they're like just natural vitamins and fruit, and so I've started to eat better. Sugar is my worst enemy. So if you want a hot flash, eat some sugar, people.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

I had that way with wine. I quit I can't drink wine anymore because it's uh it just does not, I guess I feel like a mess after just even a glass of wine.

unknown 9:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

Like a hot flash of a glass.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Right? I get I don't really get them as I used to. I remember I first started, I don't know what I was sitting, I don't I never forget, I was sitting there. I was probably like 42. I was sitting there. All of a sudden, I was just sweating. I don't really get them anymore. I was like, what is going on? Now it's more like I can tell when I've eaten too much sugar. Yeah, it'll just and I'll get hot. Now I might get hot a little quicker than other people, but I don't really get the splashes. I just think I'm naturally about five degrees warmer, like which is horrible. I used to always be cold, and now I think I'm just like in the winter, no one likes my house because it's like the heat is probably on like 67, and that's not but I don't get like too many, it's sugar for me, and I think it's different for like you say wine. I think it's different for everyone, like you'll find that food that does not work for you.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Yeah, and that's also the weirdest thing. Like, I feel like there's other things now. Like yesterday I had too too many things with tomato sauce, and I was like, Oh, I don't feel good now, you know. So but it's these little but never had a problem before. But I used to not be able to eat ice cream and I can eat ice cream now.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

So that's that's a benefit.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Yay, pre-menopausal now.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

So yeah, it's it's kind of funny those different things that sort of change. Yeah, um, but I do think there is something to be said for being outside and just and some and some of these things sort of feed into one another that that don't help, right? So it's like, oh the hormones make my mood go down, and because my mood goes down, I don't want to be active. And because and I want to sleep more, and because I'm sleeping more and I'm not active, or like in my case, it's wanting to eat to you know, sort of self-soothe soothe. And yes, so then I eat more. So I'm not active, I'm I'm eating more, and then you know, it so it's like it all kind of ties into each other, right? But if you go outside and you're able to go, it's like, oh, then at least, you know, even if it's just for a few minutes, I notice I mean I I don't spend this time of year too much time outside because it's gross out, but uh, you know, taking even taking the dog out and you know, just being outside for a little bit and watching the birds, listening to the birds, you know, just um the little wooded area around us. It it I can automatically feel a little more calm. Yeah, you know, that's great, you know. But I do notice the difference of when I've shifted my activity. I was for a while doing like high intensity stuff and spring and like and I just have no interest in that anymore. I don't know what happened this year when I turned 50 and I was like, I don't I don't want to do that. So now it's like I'm gonna dance. Dancing is fun, and I think you know I was not much of a dancer, I was always like, no thanks. Um but now it's like I'll do some Zumba, I'll do some, you know, I'll just do moving my body, doing some, you know, yoga or Pilates or something instead. So things that are either calmer or just more like, yeah, just more fun.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

Yeah, free.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Yeah. I I love that because I think it's about because the serotonin goes, everything goes down and you don't want to do things, and you do eat. So that's you do because you eat because you're just sitting there and it's bored eating, but it's also something about you're eating bananas. No, yeah, and then it increases your dopamine level when you eat, so it ain't and you get excited because it eating helps self-soothe. There's something in eating and chewing that helps you, right? And it's it's it's a horrible, and you can't you don't lose the weight like that. So, you know, because your your body doesn't like fight off the weight. I could eat everything before, and I can't do that now because my body doesn't uh lose weight like it used to. But I think what's important, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

I was like, I could never eat anything, but it definitely is different now.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think that's the thing, it just your metabolism gets lower and there's nothing you can do. It like it, but I think what's important is to find a thing you love. Like for me, it is going outside. It I am an outside person, I love the outside. But if yours is reading a book, but there's something about the sun and going outside, even if it's reading a book, just outside for a second, let the fresh air wash over you and getting up. We all know, like, if you get up, like I'll just be like, okay, I've been sitting for too long, let me get up. And I like go for a short walk. It might just be like around the block, and I have so much energy and I get way more work done. But it's that moment where you hear, I hear myself feeling like, yeah, this is yeah, I don't know why I'm here, but I'm just gonna stay here, you know. But that's that you just have low energy levels, and it's like, okay, gotta get up. And for me, being with friends and family and that gives me way more energy, so I don't, you know, I get way more work. It was even hard to get work done because it's just I had no motivation. And so that they just really need to have women groups where we can talk about this, and then also have an expert who's gonna listen and not just push drugs and say, yeah, this is great. Because some of these, like even hormone replacement therapy, does have people to cause weight and they pretend like it doesn't. It does with some people, and some people it doesn't, but you have to realize that that can happen. So it'd be nice to have someone who has the experience, but really it's listening and not just, I feel like they're really a pamphlet to me and saying what they're supposed to say. And I want you to care about me and not send me to a lifestyle program and they just tell me, you know, you know, the plate, eat the plate, eat a handful of vegetables, eat this much. I know, eat six ounces of meat. I already know that it's not working. So, you know, like talk to me about what's wrong with me, you know, like what I need help with versus not what's wrong with me, but what I need help with. It would be nice to have a personalized um, or just talking with a group of people would be nice because then you're like, oh, you do that, what's working with you? And you know, we could all walk and talk about our minimum.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Yeah, I think when I went on hormones, I think I asked a question about weight gain because I had just lost a bunch of weight and I was like, I sure as hell don't want to put this back on. And I I think the response I got, if I remember correctly, because it was over a year ago, it was like something to the effect of like when I was on birth control uh pills when I was in college and stuff, did I put weight on then? Because that's another thing a lot of people, you know, if they go on birth control pills, will be like, put on a bunch of weight. And I was like, Yeah, I didn't. And she's like, You'll probably have a similar experience. And I was like, okay, good to know. But you know, probably not the same for for everybody either. But that was I was just like, okay, I guess that's one sort of factor to look at. Like, oh, okay. I am curious because you've had a kid. So um, if you've noticed, were there any similarities between like how you felt during pregnancy, like brain fog-wise and stuff like that, and your menopause experience?

SPEAKER_00 17:00

No, I don't think so. I don't remember having brain fog until I went through. I didn't have it, luckily. So not really. They're not to me, but it might be for some, but not nothing for one. I had my kid when I was really young, so bounced back like a champ. And then the second one, um, I was like 34, and so I don't remember the brain fog if it was. I just didn't want to be pregnant anymore. So I can't, you know, this way more lasting, but the body aches, I think that's it. The weight in the body aches, and also I just I'm really hoping that we get better. I just think it would be nice to have for them to talk about this and have real programs, you know. Um, that's my biggest, or we just create our own and stop waiting for people like you're doing instead of stop waiting for them to do what they're not where they're trying to do it, but it's not the greatest thing.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

So yeah, because it really depends, like who, you know, who your healthcare provider is, what education they've had. Yeah, even if they're a woman, they might not have had the education or the understanding because no one's telling them either.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Yeah, yeah. They're just going by the book, and the book was not written. It's like it's someone who was experienced it, like mine is now, she's great, and she's like, Hey, that's the one that helped me really with like, you know, you gotta get outside, you gotta do these things, you know. Um, but they also she also has an experience with menopause, so she has no idea. It's something too, like it's like there's something you have to experience, it's not something you can write, you know, read in a book, you know, to I mean you can, but it's well as like it, it's not everybody's experience is different.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

That's the thing. It's it's like there's not there's not a single person who's like, oh yeah, I had that exact same experience, right? So I think I've done 11 or so of these videos, and there's some sometimes some similarities, but everybody's experience is so different, which was part of my purpose when I went down the rabbit hole of like reading about menopause so much. It was that, oh wow, everybody has a different experience. Wouldn't it be great to hear about people's experiences?

SPEAKER_00 19:08

Wow, exactly. Yeah, yeah. I just meant like by the book, is like it need you, it's something I still think you need to experience to grasp it, like, oh, that's what you're talking about. My mom used to tell me, you're gonna have your own personal summer. And I was like, Yeah, okay, until I had it. It's nothing you can describe, like that's something you have to experience.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

Is a even if we're experiencing it, you're like, is this what it is? This has to be it.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

I know, but it's different, but it's different for some people. Mine were always really short. Yeah, where my friend says she would just be hot for like an hour, 30 minutes. Like, oh my goodness. Yeah, mine were short, they might be, I don't know, they're always less than a minute, you know. I just heat up and cool down. But you know, some people it's theirs last for a very long time. Um, but I'm glad I'm not senile. I'm glad it's just brain fog. I realized like I can't remember crap. I just go with it now. I just tell people, look, I have brain fog, and I might forget a word. So I might say, What's that word? You know, clue me in. And they're like, cool. Like, I'm like, I'm okay with it now, but it would have been nice to know. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Um I mean, it's definitely I feel that. I will be times like I'll be talking to my husband, and I'll be like, I yep, I just forgot. He's like, Wow. I know. I know. Yeah, I'm like, I'll be walking into a room. What did I come into this room for? Yeah, or I don't know. What was I gonna search? I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

I know, isn't that crazy? I'm like, I sat down, I know I was doing something. Oh well, and you're like, oh yeah, that thing, got it, sure. Yep, yep. So writing down things is my best friend. Sometimes I'm like, oh, I gotta remember to do this thing. I have to put it in a note somewhere, or I will not remember that unless it comes up like, oh, that thing. I'm like, dang it.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

I have been using the to-doist for a few years now, and I feel like that has helped me, especially working with a bunch of different clients. So it's like I will and I will tell my clients as well, be like, Oh, hey, can you send this thing to me or do this thing for me? And I was like, sure, let me put this on my list now. And because they all know, because I've told them, I was like, because if it doesn't get on list, it doesn't get done. I was like, I will forget, or I'll remember at 3 a.m.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

And nobody wants an email from me at 3 a.m.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

And that's crazy because you were always like that never happened with you. Like you were the person where I would send it, and like seconds later, I'm like, how did she already send me this information?

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Like, yeah, those things have changed.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Yeah, I was pre-menopausa when that was happening.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

Yeah, you met me before menopause. Yeah. And now you get the after Aaron. Yeah. It takes longer to respond because she forgot.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

Exactly. That's it. And I bet that was kind of probably difficult for you because you were always and other people not understanding like, what is going on with Aaron?

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Yeah. I mean it's a shift. I think my clients probably just think I'm busy. So they just like they know I have multiple clients. So I think that's probably like, oh, okay. But um, but yeah, I think there's been times where I feel like somebody because I can't remember, um, somebody recently was just like, oh, you didn't respond to this thing. I was like, oh, sorry, it got buried, you know, like in my texts or whatever, you know, I forget. And um, yeah, so it is a shift, like I just have to learn to accept myself of where I am now and be like, yeah, like, and I know I I felt more on top of things than I do now. But then I'm also like, maybe that was excessive, and I didn't need to be that on top of things before.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

I I think you have room that everybody would be okay. Like you were so on top, not it was excessive, but you were so on top that now you're probably like still above average.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Yeah. Um I'll take it.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

But it still can be hard when you're used to something different. I mean, you know what I mean? Like when you're used to operating a certain way, or like I'm very athletic. So like my brain is saying, move for the volleyball. My body is two seconds behind.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Like your body's smoking a cigarette in the back.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

It's like it's just chilling. It's like it's okay. Take your time. I'm like, okay, I I would have, or just being afraid to like the brittle bone, you know, not that my bones are brittle, but like like I used to be up high and I would jump down. Now I'm like, I step down. Like I'm not jumping off of almost anything because it's just my bones ache. And that will, and I think with the weight, because I've uh I started to lose a little bit of weight, but it's really hard to also lose weight when you're older in minabology, you just don't lose it the same.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

So that's eat poorly and then do like watch what I ate for a couple weeks, and I'd be back to normal my normal, and now that's not the case anymore.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Yeah, no, and I think one of the things. Yeah, forever. And then it takes like a month or two to lose it, if not more. And I think another good thing that I I well, my aunt did tell me I've always kind of lift weights, but you know, is like the muscle, the loose, the loose muscle is that um is that something that I think women need to do earlier, you know, just to know that like it's just you need to do that to keep strength up. It doesn't have to be anything even heavy, it can be really five pounds. You just if you just do it. And I, you know, I was already doing because I just like that, but um, it would have been nice to know how important it is, you know, like there's small things you can do, like just hand exercises, you know, for because your joints get stiff and arthritis and stuff like that all happens because someone steals our estrogen in the middle of the night. A little thief steal your estrogen. I know. I'm like, give it back. It's like I'm wondering if I could put something under a pillow and they would give me some more estrogen back.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

That was like an opposite tooth fairy, like the estrogen fairy comes, like you just put like a little wish underneath your pillow and you get more estrogen out of the night.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Just half. I just need half of it back. I can I can settle with half versus zero. So yeah, yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

Well, I mean estrogen does impact your bone health, but but to your point, like being active, doing weight-bearing exercises, weight weightlifting can help with, you know, at least keeping your density, you know, um, better, not necessarily improving it, but you know, at least not making it worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:05

But you know, but I other than that, I actually do, I think it's the activities, it makes me feel better. Um, but then there's also like that because it's like you always are hungry. That's not for everybody, but that's how sometimes I feel, which I was never that hungry before. I'm like hungry, or then I'm not hungry, but I'm hungry for sweets. Like, and I've that wasn't always an issue for me. And that it's just when I remember when I was pre-menopause, I just started eating more, and I was like, this is so weird, which I wasn't like that before. I was I would eat regular and you know, whatever, but it was just like this assessment, you know, especially now because a lot of people work remotely and being an extrovert, it's horrible for me, and like I have to get out the house. So you bore eat, but it's like also thinking about like food. Like, I I didn't used to do that, and and I was talking to my doctor, she's like, Yeah, that can happen with something.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

I've been always planning my next meal while I'm eating my current meal, so like I don't know, that's like yeah, I wasn't like if you don't eat enough, you you gain weight, and if you eat too much, you gain weight, like that seems to be the thing right now.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

It's like yeah, okay. I know, but my doctor said that it's different for everyone. She's like, Yeah, you you that does happen where you can, where some people after like menopause, you don't like I'm normally not hungry until like one. No, but then I eat, yeah. And she said that you know, you can probably eat twice a day and you eat just healthy. And when I eat better, like one thing I did, because I'm not a big I wasn't eating chicken and I stopped, but I eat seafood and vegetables, so like for um a month I actually lost weight and then I started eating sweets again, but you know, there goes that it goes birthday party, but um, I felt so much better, so it's just like um just sometimes even like I she like just try different things. Like I went gluten-free for a while, and that was okay. I didn't really didn't help me any. And so she's like, Well, you probably that's not your thing. Dairy bothers me some not that it, you know, it makes me gain weight a little bit faster. And she's like, Okay, so I was just experimenting. She's like, You have to experiment with your body of what it can take in and what it doesn't, and you know, and that was cool too, just knowing like there's like differences for everybody and what you know, playing with foods and with, like you said, tomatoes.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

It just didn't like you, like yeah, suddenly, like, and and I've been fine, you know. It's and it's not like if I only would have had one meal with tomato sauce, I would have been fine. But I had two meals yesterday with tomato sauce.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

Yeah, one too many.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Yeah, yeah. I was like, all right. Um, anyway, anything else you wish people would know?

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Um I don't um I say find a menopause buddy or trio. Um the moment something is weird, go to your doctor, find out what it is, ask for a support group. Um, because I think that's what's gonna help you with your well-being the most. Um, is when you have other people who are going through the similar thing. Um that that would be my main thing is um the because it'll be different journey, but it's nice to go through that journey with someone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

Yeah, and that's a thing too, because it happens at different ages that like you you might think someone in your peer group is in that and they and they're not, or you know, it's it's just all over the place. But find yourself some menopause.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

Yes. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

So anyway, well, thank you. Uh it was really great to have you on here. I super appreciate it. Um, so thank you for everyone who might be watching. Um, please feel free to comment and share. And if you're interested in being a guest, please reach out. Happy to have you on. Uh otherwise we will see you next time. Thank you.