The Hudson Valley Disc Golf Podcast

153. 2023 Goals and Kisco Recap

• Pat Keenan • Episode 153

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0:00 - Intro Music Provided by Wheels

3:23 - Ryan

7:22 - Jasan

10:08 - Kenji

16:00 - Corey

19:02 - Jack

30:49 - Jaimen

35:39 - Kisco Classic

51:11 - Sweet Up Hudson Valley!

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Pat:

Welcome to the Hudson Valley, Disc Golf Podcast 2023 Edition.

Corey:

No more recaps.

Pat:

no more recaps.

Ryan:

Although I thoroughly enjoyed the recaps, it was nice looking back on the year, listening to all the great guests we had on. It was quite nice.

Pat:

and actually on a couple of them, I've said it before. I don't know if I've edited it out. But I'm a very lazy editor. A while back I asked like, how long is a typical podcast, 45, 50 minutes or so? So basically what I do is I edit until I get to like 45 or 50 minutes and, and I finish out whatever it is.

Jack:

And

Pat:

I kind of joked at the end that's probably the first time I had the idea to do it, based on the answers to the questions. And I'm like, Hey, that'd be a kind of fun way to gimme some time off But it turned out that like half of the people that I listened to, I was like, holy crap, I've got like another episode of these people. Potentially, you know what I mean? I totally forget that and I don't keep track well of it either. I mean, it is what it is. I enjoy doing it the way I do it. I usually try to get anything important out early and, you know, then we kind of go on talking and, if something comes up cuz it is life, you know, maybe next week I can't record. So, then I'll use the second half and if not, it could sit there. And to be honest, some of the stuff did go out, but I'm editing it again cuz I only found the original version. I didn't find the edited version or blah blah blah, you know, so it wasn't, super hard, but about half of'em I did end up having to re-edit.

Jack:

So, so I noticed that, and I was actually kind of grateful for it cuz listening to it for essentially the third time, cuz you know, in, in most cases I was there the first time and then I heard it the second time. But I, I was grateful for whatever variation there was in the audio. And I did notice it and it felt good to me.

Corey:

There's only one person you have to thank too for that Jack, and that's Jaimen for guessing the person's name on the freaking

Pat:

Yeah,

Corey:

quiz

Jack:

yeah, yeah. Yep.

Pat:

Oh, and by the way, bill Newman was actually in 2021, but yeah. Oh, well,

Corey:

also. You gave me a freebie. I still lost.

Pat:

That was one of Jaimen men's, but

Corey:

wait.

Jack:

I, came, on and confirmed it, so,

Pat:

Hmm. Yeah, no. So

Corey:

did that change the final score or did he still.

Pat:

To be honest, I, I lost track after the first episode.

Jack:

my God. Corey, you lost badly.

Pat:

And from then on he just kept naming names and, and I'm sure if I pressed them he might've come up with somebody else. But I think Ernie was the only other one I found.

Ryan:

I had forgotten we had interviewed Travis because I was kinda drunk when we interviewed Travis,

Jack:

as was

Pat:

would

Ryan:

too

Pat:

Oh,

Corey:

that you're

Ryan:

So that was fun to listen to again, especially cuz we're going up to Stony Kill this weekend.

Pat:

I, I did a

Jack:

I, it felt current to me too, regardless of, when we pumped that out, there was a lot of, ACE place talk in it, which I very much feel is like a 22 thing.

Pat:

Hmm. Yeah.

Ryan:

Yeah. Cause he was talking about the conception of it.

Pat:

Exactly. And I kept as much of that as I could, but not the specifics about digging and such. Yeah, I took that out. Cuz I didn't wanna confuse people, uh, like, they don't know. I don't know. I just, my mind works in mysterious ways, but how I would like to start this week, if you guys wouldn't mind. I thought we'd go around the room. What were we asking exactly, jack?

Jack:

We were talking about people's Disc Golf goals for 2023.

Pat:

Yeah, so why don't we start with Ryan? What's been up and then goals.

Ryan:

Well my Peloton instructor likes to call them promises.

Pat:

You know, 93% of people stay with Peloton. I don't know if you know that.

Ryan:

I mean, I guess you could say I, I stay with Peloton because once in a blue moon I. decide to fire up a, stretching exercise or like a core strength exercise. Cuz I, I convince myself that that's something that would help my Disc Golf game and then I stop doing it.

Corey:

Peloton is that fancy bike with the app on it, right?

Ryan:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got the fancy bike. I mean, it, it gets a lot of use. Not by me, my, my wife enjoys it, but the, the classes are actually pretty good. But yeah, I mean, I don't have much going on. I went to Florida. I was there for like, the four days that it was 30 degrees at night and 50 during the day, and that sucked. I played a quick nine Hole at Lake O Mka, Disc Golf course, which I've been to before. And yeah, that was about it. I did not, not much going on in my life. Stony Kill this weekend. Got a South Mountain Ice Bowl coming up on the 28th. I'm organizing, it's mob golf in Bethlehem.

Pat:

Is that the Once around the mountain?

Ryan:

uh, no, once around the mountains in April. That's one DisCap, one round. This is the Ice Bowl, charity event that, Mike Salt hosts every year at South Mountain. And this one's a little bit unusual. We have a waiver from the PDGA to basically do mob golf. So we have 12 person cards.

Corey:

12 people.

Ryan:

Oh yeah, but actually we're gonna be doing 24 cuz we've stacked two cards, for the Hackett Crew Um, so it, yeah, we have like 200 people on the mountain and we raise a ton of money for charity and it's an absolute blast. So, we have that going on on the 28th that I'm

Corey:

This is the only time where I've actually understood needing to put your name on your desk.

Ryan:

Yeah. Especially if it's like snowy out there. But, um, honestly, there's been times where I've totally forgot where I threw my DisCap.

Corey:

I'm just saying cuz there's 25 Frisbees at a fairway At any one time, it's gonna have 25 people

Ryan:

Yeah, well it's, you know, it's, it's all par threes. Everything's in the short position so it, it goes relatively quick for mob golf. Um, but it's just a, you know, just an awesome time. So have that to look forward to. And let's see, what else do I gotta going on? I mean, I guess that's pretty much it. For goals, promises, install some next T signs at Hackett. I think I want to try to get to a thousand rated now that I got to 9 88 or whatever I did in this most recent Update. I'd still love to do that at some point, although I think it's, very optimistic. I think the other thing I wanna do is, I wanna try to build a new course. I think in the surrounding area around Easton, we do not have any beginner courses. Hackett is not for beginners. And the nearest course to Hackett Park, that is, um, I'd say beginner friendly is about 25, 30 minutes away in, bath, called more Township. And so I'm hoping that I can, petition somebody, city of Easton Forks Township to put in something similar to like an ace place. So I think that's definitely one of my goals. I don't know where to start. And I'm sure I can lean on the experience of the crew here, to help get me started. But those are really my goals. That one being much more important than me somehow getting to a thousand rated.

Pat:

What are you rated?

Ryan:

What's 9 88.

Pat:

9 88

Ryan:

last two tournaments have been pretty good. So,

Pat:

How difficult are those last 12 points?

Ryan:

Ooh. Depends on where I play. They were at Hackett Park in Pinebrook, which definitely suit my game. Hackett, because I played a lot Pinebrook because and Jaimen can speak to a very rock, mid-range friendly course in the woods that suits my game. So I think it really depends on the tournaments that I play. If I play new tournaments, I don't know the course well, it'll be tough if I just stick around here and play South Mountain and Jordan and Pinebrook and Hackett. It's possible.

Jack:

Play leagues.

Ryan:

Yeah, we don't really have that many leagues around here but that's another option.

Jack:

Leagues seem to be a ratings bump.

Ryan:

yeah, I believe it. that's what I got going on. Pat.

Pat:

All right. Jasan, what have you been up to? What you got going on and what's your plan for the year?

Jasan:

As Ryan mentioned, I got Team Challenge coming up this weekend. Atto Kill. It's, the most imminent thing. In off season. I'm working on editing the pro side coverage from last year's Mine Kill Disc Golf Championship.

Pat:

Oh, did you feel a little pressure on that?

Jasan:

say pressure. I'd say I felt inspired. I kind of had put that on the back burner. And along with that, I'm updating all of the T signs that Mine Kill for the event. So I'm actually going back and I'm gonna do last year's t signs. The ones that the park has, their not the best, and I think the course deserves some really good ones. So spend the time. It's really tedious. It's taken like a few hours per Hole. I got a system down, but, they look pretty good. Hopefully I'll have them done by March and then I can finish up the coverage, put some signs in the videos and make it look good. Other than that main focus on Mine Kill, both the event there and also just kind of doing some overdue maintenance. Make it ready for the tournament. And then Jess is gonna do another doubles event in September, so I wanna help her out with that. Also, make that the best fun theme doubles event to date. That's gonna be a Wild West theme. uh, coursework. I want to finish Kak. it's been slow to get completed, hopefully work with them and get that completed next year. And then also, Rockland Set Works has been pretty integrated, of course, in there. Uh, so hoping I can get something in this spring or summer there.

Corey:

I still haven't been to that Kazaki course yet.

Jasan:

It's got, some baskets there, but there's some drainage issues that need to get resolved. Oh, and then like, I guess personal development. I don't have a lot of goals for doing any better this year so to see what happens.

Pat:

right.

Ryan:

So there's a corset Kasi that hasn't been finished yet and it needs some drainage.

Jasan:

They bought the baskets. We have portable baskets on the front line there. The problem is they had hired a contractor to do drain work, which came out amazing. Like the holes that the contractor did the work are excellent. They're dry, but then the staff rented some equipment and did their own work and, we kind of walked through and I pointed out some stuff that was gonna happen. It was pretty obvious places were gonna flood cause there's no culverts. There was no like swes. And uh, yeah, like the first five or six holes are really tough to play because there's just so much standing water from where they built up trails and took spoils from other places. I'm not sure if they're gonna be able to get a contractor to finish it. If not, then I'm gonna kind of have to redesign some stuff and come up with a better layout. But yeah, other than that, it's hopefully that'll at least have nine holes in by the spring and 18. I want to complete next year.

Pat:

All right. Kenji, what's been going on?

Kenji:

I am grateful for the electronic upgrades that have happened in the past few years because I got a taste of what it used to be like when 93 players came to first tracks.

Pat:

that was amazing.

Ryan:

there, uh, day of registration there,

Kenji:

It's a monthly, so we don't do pre-reg or anything like that usually.

Ryan:

A monthly.

Kenji:

we used to, you know, 30 40 at a regular monthly first tracks. We maybe get up 50, 60. We had 93 players come out.

Ryan:

Wow.

Kenji:

Yeah. That was crazy.

Corey:

How big was the Wilcox one? A couple years ago. That was like the largest monthly, right. And that was only like mid sixties, low sixties.

Kenji:

yeah, maybe, yeah, 60, maybe. I thought this didn't quite get this. Maybe like 61 or 62,

Corey:

Yeah.

Kenji:

but yeah, that was crazy. We got it done, before daylight ran out, 27 holes, 93 players. That was good. 85 of those players signed up to be members of DisCap, which is great. And in the week since first tracks, we've had another. I don't know. I think we're up to 115 right now. So for short of what we were last year and we're only a into January, so that's good. Um, goals this year play wise and just, uh, my game's where it's at. I enjoy playing. I, you know, try and improve a little bit, but, um, it is what it is. I have a lot of coursework to, to try and move forward this year, Forton Park. And, I did a presentation for Muddy at Steinmetz, and I got the winky wink, but no official word yet that I'll get that grant. Got contacted from Kelsey, somebody was down at FDR, part person who is now up at Thatcher. And they're open to making some improvements there and love to just tweet the front behind because it could be so much better and get rid of those stupid six inch high T markers that they have because they're just dangerous. I got a scar on my leg from kicking them things.

Ryan:

Oh.

Kenji:

what else? And then, yeah, just all the club stuff. I mean, there's so many projects going on. Just sent a letter of support for a grant that Mindy's writing to get some more funds for Veia and okay. Disc Golf course. And what else we got? I dunno what's going on with Amsterdam right now. I, I haven't heard from Terry and see where that's at. Want to finish up the last blue Tee at Central Park. They're supposed to do some earth work for me. They said they'd get it done in a week after the last meeting, and it's been a month and a half. I haven't seen it done, so I'll reach out to them about the diverting some water on that last blue Tee pad that has to go there and going to put in a white Tee for 17. So that'll mean every Hole at Central Park will have two Tee pads. Want to help upgrade the white Tee pads into something beyond the leftover carpet from the old blue Tee pads. Don't know exactly what we're gonna be doing there yet, but, what else I got? Yeah, I, I don't know. Just try and keep moving projects forward.

Ryan:

There any, uh, DisCap milestones happening this year? Kenji, like anniversaries or number of courses or anything like that?

Kenji:

Not that particularly sticks out in my mind. We had the 20th Battle of Saratoga last year. That was kind of a big milestone. We didn't run it the whole time. It was the 20th year for that event. Nothing significant because I'm trying to be humble in that aspect and not like, toot our own horn about everything. We just try and keep moving things forward. Sometimes it's a little faster than other projects, but we always just try and, not let things stop install. So, yeah. So it kept coming up.

Pat:

You said that the UDisc app saved you as far as it saved you a lot of time and headache. Were there anything about it that you didn't like or that could be improved?

Kenji:

I'm talking about just people walking up in a line and registering. Ever since and signing and writing out scorecards and that that was, yeah, and I still used UDisc, so we didn't have to add scorecards. But it really makes me appreciate pre, pre-reg and, usually it's not too bad for monthlys, but Oh my God, 93 players, that's just more than a regular tournament for walkup side ups is just, it was crazy.

Pat:

absolutely. Corey, why don't you tell him how many holes we were in before you, realized that you shouldn't be scoring on that scorecard.

Kenji:

Oh yeah. The papers were just for me to help organize groups. You shouldn't be scoring

Corey:

right, and I heard you say that when you handed out the scorecards, I saw that there was just a number of anana encircled for our starting Hole. I, figured that we were not supposed to use'em but. I thought they were still J Park, scorecards.

Kenji:

They're old scorecards that Jeff had that are before the latest expansion, so they're still numbered one through 27.

Corey:

Are you sure? Cause I'm, I could have sworn the scorecard that I had was not even for J. Park. Right. Pat.

Kenji:

Yes. We ran outta scorecards and I went into my league bag and just grabbed some random scorecards

Corey:

Okay. Okay. That's what it was. I assumed that the scorecard you gave us was still a J 27 scorecard, just not with new numbers. So I'm like, well, I'm just gonna keep the scorecard anyway. Like I'm gonna write the scores down. You know, I'll have a backup for whatever's going into UDisc too, just in case someone's phone dies cuz it was cold.

Kenji:

I think they're from like the Cook Park monthly or something like that. I think they still had 27 boxes on them.

Corey:

Yeah, no, the scorecard that we had was like a CPS 18 Hole.

Kenji:

Oh, okay.

Corey:

I think I got through about 12 holes and I'm like, ah, fuck. This isn't even a Jaimen 47 scorecard. I'm like, well I'm done doing this then.

Kenji:

yeah, UDisc to tell everybody's UDisc. I didn't add scorecards.

Corey:

Yeah. Yeah. That was just,

Pat:

Corey, was there anything going on?

Corey:

Well, the problem with what I said before is like everyone that went today, they were, they acted so selfless and I don't remember, I don't remember being so selfless in my record. I think my PDGA page shows 22 events. I think two of those entries were leagues with a couple doubles tournaments, but those are still tournaments, you know what I mean? And the year before that was, oh wait, it was 21. Well this shows 15. It says, oh, that's open. So yeah, 22. You're right, you're uh, with the am but do we really count the AM-Two? I have to. I still showed up. Pat still played So 22 last year, 22. Do you expect to match or exceed barring injury that total this year? That was the first father. I ain't getting injured. Pat. I'm only 31 I know you're, I know. No, that was actually kind of like another soft goal I had this year. After doing 20 last year, I wanted to do 20 again this year, so I'm hoping for 20 next year as well. any changes? Not that you have a for schedule. Are there any tournaments you're looking forward to next year or plan to maybe? I'm not gonna do this one. I'm thinking of doing that one. That kind of stuff. I still like doing pretty much every local tournament or anything within, you know, an hour and a half, two hours of Albany, but I kind of hope to push out a little bit more. I want to play in New Hampshire again at like the Hollis courses. I played out there in 2019 and I wanted to go out there this year too for. I think the fall of classic, but I'm hoping to do a couple like bigger events. Like I'd like to try to do at least two eight tiers. Yeah. If Jason's doing Mine, Kill as an A-Tier like that, that's half of it, but let's drive some tournaments. Corey, I'm down baby. I got PTO to burn and I got a$200 flight bouncer from Southwest, and I'm a mantel too that I'm trying to use. That sounds like a main turn. I was thinking something more like south when it's like the late fall. Ooh, yeah. Lake Marshall, uh, yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. Whatever. Whatever. 200 bucks gets me run. If I remember correctly, I just wanted to play in another 20 plus tournaments. Like I past couple years would like to get to nine 50. And play more A-Tier, go further away. And then it is kind of nice that Jason's bringing one to us. So want to drive three and a half hours to go play A-Tier. But as far as what has been going on, I don't know. Yeah, you guys were all there. First tracks was big. played around with Pat. Been a while since that happened.

Pat:

Last time I threw up, if I remember correctly,

Corey:

yeah, We discussed that last time I played the Kisco Classic, was that event like whatever it was three years ago. the Kisco Classic happened, but we'll get to that. And j Park Ice Bowl coming up. I guess that's the next event. I'm looking forward to.

Pat:

When's that?

Jasan:

18th, I think.

Corey:

Yeah. Third weekend in February. But, yeah, than that, it was fun hanging out with Jack over the weekend and Jaimen got a lot of Jack and Jaimen time over the past weekend, so that was cool too.

Pat:

All right. Jack, did you have anything to add?

Jack:

Jeff Greenberg pointed out something cool to me. I was about to go looking for it when he actually grabbed me. But, uh, Saturday is going to be the 10th anniversary of us incorporating WeDGE. So we were pretty stoked about that. We're gonna try and go and throw a commemorative round. He and I, for the accomplishment. Played the Kisco Classic on Saturday, and I got to host Jaimen and Corey on Friday night, which is fun. We stayed up a little too late. Didn't seem to hurt Jaimen, none. but Corey was just wrecked by it. We should have put Corey to bed earlier. Yeah. Uh, I'm trying to let you off the Houck. Uh, but otherwise, no, nothing new. My previously stated, goals remain the same.

Pat:

Jack, speaking of health, how many tournaments we got in 2022 tournaments. I got two here. Ghouls Fest? Yep. And the 10th annual Cedar Beach Classic presented by Greenport Harbor Brewing Company.

Jack:

Yep. There was the, did I play the Turkey trot? I played the Turkey trot. It's not PDGA, was it? No, it wasn't. I can't remember.

Pat:

It's not on here.

Jack:

Yeah, well I played it.

Pat:

Wait, wait. You didn't play the Turkey trot Turkey?

Jack:

Oh, no, I, no, I decided not to. I registered for the,

Pat:

I walked it with you. I walked half a round.

Jack:

Yeah, I should know about, I played December doubles.

Pat:

Ah, okay.

Jack:

Which, that's not PDGA and that's, that's what was in my head.

Pat:

I'm surprised though that would seem like they'd be one that they would use the PDGA, but eh, they know what they're doing. Men or I do.

Jack:

So for December doubles a completely unnecessary, it's one of the reasons that WeDGE uses why anybody uses the PDGA for events that aren't traditional, uh, is for the insurance. And at FDR, we don't need it. Hmm. So there's no good reason to use the Yeah.

Pat:

Why restrict yourself?

Jack:

In. Right. You know, why pay the money to register it? Yeah. It's a party event. Yeah. And that's what it's built for. It's built to be a party. It's the last thing people want is, you know, being worried about.

Pat:

But even with the December doubles, that puts you at three events, our hope is. Are you going to exceed that next year?

Jack:

So tournaments aren't part of my goal scheme. Will I exceed it? I kind of think that I will.

Pat:

By mistake. You'll exceed it.

Jack:

I'll exceed it. Yeah. If I mark down my goals for 2023 and, and I, I have Disc Golf goals for 2023 tournaments is not on that list. My specific Disc Golf goals are, uh, getting team WeDGE to finals and then, uh, hopefully getting team WeDGE. To sea pool. I'll be happy if we get to finals and, and compete there. Finals is, uh, is a weird animal. Getting there is its own reward. Getting promoted, be something super cool. On top of that.

Pat:

And it's kinda like baseball, I would think, and correct me if I'm wrong, but in baseball they say it's the GMs or in your case, the, the, your, your job is to get them to the finals. and what happens from there is gonna happen cuz anything can happen on any given day. Basically.

Jack:

I'll ask Jaimen how he feels about it, but I feel like finals actually takes even a little bit more clipboard than a regular match. Would you agree with that, Jaimen?

Jaimen:

Yeah. Finals is a really tricky thing to figure out. Made more difficult by the fact that none of the finals match ups are ever.

Jack:

Right, right, right. So you don't even, there's no history of what anyone has ever done in finals.

Jaimen:

So yeah, it's really hard to, to see patterns in matchups and anything like that. Yeah. I sure as hell would want someone who I

Jack:

think is, you know, just generally good with the clipboard, knows their team and has a little strategy in their game over a captain that that doesn't have. And maybe has like, you know, a better player or two, don't get me wrong, like talent wise, for the most part, the more talented team is gonna win it final, and the more talented team is gonna win the match too. Captains don't matter as much as I wish we did.

Pat:

You do have the hard job of getting people there.

Jack:

I'm just saying on the day, let's assume we get our, you know, everybody gets their team there. Hmm. And I'm not trying to disparage myself, you know, I, I gotcha. What I do matters. I guess I'm just, you know, disagreeing with your analogy a little bit and, and that's that.

Pat:

No, absolutely.

Jack:

The game isn't over when you get to finals. As a matter of fact, it, it's a foot. Like be, being the guy with the clipboard at finals is, I think is bigger than being the guy at the clipboard on any, uh, other match. You bring them and you try and, uh, pick out the right singles teams and you try and pick out the right doubles teams and you try and make the, uh, adjustments that you need to. I've been to three finals and I've never managed to get my team promoted. Uh, that's goal one is finals goal two. Uh, these are not in order. Uh, so I want to complete the FD RTS in 2020. Number three. I, I have four things, uh, on my list. Number three is, uh, I wanna put together, uh, a deadbeat doubles branded event. I don't know if it's gonna be doubles or if it's gonna be singles, but you know, it's gonna be on a weekday, probably Wednesday.

Pat:

Like a tournament?

Jack:

And do something with a big field. Yeah, like a tournament, like what, uh, Craig hyzer did. Uh, uh, I haven't really sussed out a format for it, although I've. Take suggestions. I just wanna put something together that's a fun weekday tournament. Craig did it, I don't know, three years ago or something like that. It was really quite successful, man. Monday. Yeah, right? Yep. Yeah, without really trying. He got like 60 competitors out or something like that.

Pat:

See this is a year end clip show fellas. He knows how to pull the old school clips that I gotta put in here.

Jack:

Yeah, you're gonna have to dig

Pat:

from episode two May, 2019. So on Monday, Craig did the unthinkable. A Monday tournament. Yes. I'm talking about maize manic Mando Monday. Presented by Craig's DisCap. Here's a quick rundown of the results. Intermediate went to Greg Gamy shooting a plus 3 1 26, winning by two strokes amateur Masters. 40 plus went to Jeff Schubert, who shot 200 par for the day with a 1 21 nice shooting jeff. Tyler Blanchett took advance with a minus eight. One 15 beating Jared Secour by two strokes, Raymond Albino shot even to win the ProMasters 50 and Up division in a playoff with Bobby Aron Hoffer throwing their discs for a total of 123 times. Ray declined cash to maintain his bagger status. I mean, amateur status. Sorry about that, right? ProMasters 40 plus was. Eric Mallory. Wait, Eric Mallory's 40 years old. Uh, he shot a 14 down 1 0 9, which is only 34 more strokes than I had in the second round. And the overall winner in the open division was Craig Cutler, who won in a playoff against Steve Brinster. They shot minus 24, both with 90 nines. Not for nothing, but I'm not getting outta bed to throw less than a hundred disks. I was able to get a few words with our champ after the tournament. I'm here with the winner of Maize Manic Mando Monday, presented by Craig's DisCap. Uh, Craig Cutler. Uh, congratulations on winning today.

Craig Cutler:

Thank you. Thank you.

Pat:

Is that not the most alliterative tournament name you've ever played in

Craig Cutler:

Yeah, it's uh, the first Monday tournament I've ever played in. Uh, fortunate enough that I own my own business so I could take off and get to compete, so it was a really good idea. Awesome.

Pat:

Uh, you wanted a playoff with Steve Brinster? Yes. What was your thinking after you saw his drive on the first Hole?

Craig Cutler:

Uh, I wasn't really thinking about his drive. I just wanted to release my T-bird with. The right angle, flat, hard, and low, and hope to hit the gap. I wasn't really concerned with what he, his, his Disc did, because he could hit a putt from anywhere down there.

Pat:

And, and he almost did.

Craig Cutler:

He almost did. Exactly.

Pat:

Uh, what, what Disc was your workhorse today?

Craig Cutler:

Uh, Mike. Grid stamp AVR Putter. I only missed one putt within the circle all day and hit some long ones, so that, that definitely kept me in it.

Pat:

Uh, what's your favorite Hole here at FDR and in which layout?

Craig Cutler:

I love Hole two. I love Hole two to the white basket. That's a cool par of three. And then, Gosh, who 18 to the white is great too? Par five. Yeah. I love that Hole. Yeah.

Pat:

Uh, what's the next tournament you signed up for?

Craig Cutler:

I'm signed up for the Mighty Go this weekend, this Saturday. Um, hosted by our local club, Braxton Show, Walter Tournament director. And then, um, I am getting ready for ProMaster Worlds in Vermont, which is in June. So June. Yeah, this is a good up for that.

Pat:

And is there anybody you'd like to thank?

Craig Cutler:

Yeah, inva. Uh, they, they're my sponsor. I've been playing for 20 years and wow, we have the best plastic. Uh, and yeah, that's it. End of the disks and champion discs.

Pat:

All right. Thanks a lot,

Craig:

man. Hey, thanks.

Pat:

Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Thanks again, Craig. It was great to meet you. I also had a chance to speak with Craig Henninger again after a long day of Ting and Disc. Golf. Uh, so Craig, how was the. For Mays Manic, Mando Monday presented by Craig's Disc.

Craig:

It was awesome. Uh, I believe we had 41 total come out. We had a couple cancellations, uh, earlier in the week. We were able to, uh, get a couple more, couple Walkups. Got some, uh, pretty big players to come to.

Pat:

All right. How many of those people do you think came to your tournament as a result of our interview on that staple of podcasting? Greatness. The Hudson Valley Disc Golf podcast?

Craig:

I'd say at least one.

Pat:

I like it. That all I'm looking for. Uh, how much was your play affected by having to run a tournament?

Craig:

Honestly, I don't think it was that bad cuz when I have to like, worry about something else, I'm kind of, you know, in the zone and then I just, it was time to play and then my mind was just like, all right, you're playing now. Um, I thought about, you know, different things throughout the, to. I mixed up, uh, someone that was playing MP 40, and I put'em in, uh, MPO. I had to switch the payouts a second round, you know, and I, in my head, I started doing it. I said, no, just wait. So whatever. So I, I, I was able to just play, which was great. I got to play with a lot of, uh, really cool people there. So. Cool. It, uh, made it easy.

Pat:

Is there anyone in particular that you want, would like to thank?

Craig:

Oh my God, there's so many people who thank, uh, one, thank you Pat. Uh, you helped out a lot. You, uh, helped me out with the score port that I forgot to get. I decided three days before to, to try to get that and, you know, was able to get that. Thank you for that. And, uh, you know, helping out with everything around the, you know, tournament Central Kelly over here helping out with, uh, you know, some, some setting up and some taking down and, you know, helping with that. She was a big help. Jim Coyle. Uh, we got Gary Mason and Bill Newman. They did a, a killer job on scores. You know, just, uh, I think that's it. There might be more people Jaimen Jaimen for, you know, even saying this. Oh, he's, he was saying the whole time that it was his idea's tournament. It's, he's, he said it was his muse and my, my decision, but he, uh, but he's, he's the one I, I have to thank for this cuz I don't know if I would've run a Monday tournament.

Pat:

He does take full responsibility for Brinster and Cutler being.

Craig:

Uh, he can have that too.

Pat:

Any final comment?

Craig:

Final. Oh man, it was just a great day. Uh, everyone seemed really happy with it. Nobody, you know, really had any issues. It seemed like people were happy with, uh, you know, the player packs. I didn't get specific disks. I just had a whole bunch of inventory that I brought out and I said, grab a DisCap and a mini, and people are like, oh, this is great. Usually there's only, you know, a couple discs we can choose from. This is awesome. Thank you so much. I was like, awesome. And, uh, people seem to like, uh, grab the DisCap for their pay. They got a lot of good stuff and, uh, everyone seemed happy. I really couldn't be happier in the day, you know, if I got, if I played a little bit better, that would've been great. But I mean, I, I played, I played just as good as I think I did in the Fools Fest, which, uh, I really can't complain about. I just hope the ratings were over.

Pat:

How'd you finish?

Craig:

Uh, I finished I think six place out of, uh, 10 in open. You didn't want to cash? I didn't want to cash. No. I get that. You don't? That's a good strategy tournament. It looks bad. It looks bad, but I will say that. Two different Craig's got ACEs. So that was kind of cool to, to have two Craig's Ace at a Craig's Disc, uh, tournament. And Craig Cutler one. So that was even cool.

Pat:

Uh, well on behalf of the 41 or so that showed up today. Thanks again and good luck this weekend at Mighty Go. And Borderline.

Craig:

Thank you, Pat.

Jack:

And then the last one is I wanna make an effort to play Hudson Valley courses with Hudson Valley, Disc Golf podcast hosts. I want to get rounds in. with you guys. I wanna get rounds in with Corey and Jasan and Jaimen and Kenji. I want to get to the courses that we talk about that embarrassingly I haven't made it to yet, and now I'm fit enough to do it. I'm free enough to travel. There's no course I can't go walk and have some fun on. So that's number four. I wanna actually get out some of the courses that we,

Corey:

how about in Train? We'll pick you up in Albany.

Jack:

Yep.

Pat:

Jaimen. Let's take a look at your 2022. I got, what's it, 20? Well, you got an AM Avett in here.

Jaimen:

What was that? It was like a three DisCap challenge kind of thing.

Pat:

C-Tier. Oh, you're excused.

Jaimen:

There was no pro division.

Pat:

The Stony Kill circuit Challenge 2022. Oh, would be, yep. All right. So other than that though, 20 tournaments, which honestly, it didn't sound like you were gonna get that many in early in the year.

Jaimen:

Yeah, no, I, and towards the end of the year, I got in more than I probably should have. If you look at the ratings for most of.

Pat:

Thousand acres. You never played there before, had you?

Jaimen:

Um, not before this year.

Pat:

Yeah, cuz it didn't exist. right? Yeah, But I mean, second place that's late in your season. Pretty good.

Jaimen:

Yeah, I did. All right. Like placing wise in a lot of those tournaments.

Pat:

You're talking about your numbers themselves.

Jaimen:

Yeah.

Pat:

I gotcha. I

Jaimen:

don't think I shot a round above my rating. Since August. Mm. So that's a bummer.

Pat:

At least you have second place. First place. First place. Fourth place, fourth place, second place to console you. I mean, yeah,

Jaimen:

I can't complain that much. I made like a thousand dollars and never did anything good. Nice. So that's the, I really can't complain too much, but it's just like, I'm always just trying to be better. Yeah. So when I'm not, it's always a little disappointing.

Pat:

What's this professional gold division?

Jaimen:

That was, uh, Jasan and jess's.

Pat:

I remember now they had to do a second division. It was basically the PDGA made them jump through hoops to get the things to make. Yeah, that's a pain in the butt. One.

Jaimen:

The colors are ratings based divisions. Mm-hmm. and Blue was like under nine 70 or something, so I, yeah, they wouldn't let me play in it.

Pat:

like with Corey is 20 the baseline for, to.

Jaimen:

it tends to be, yeah. If you kind of look back through my years, any year, a full season, I've done 20 tournaments since like 2017 ish. I think I'm 22, 23.

Pat:

Does it feel like a chore to get that many in or is that a comfortable number?

Jaimen:

That's a pretty comfortable number. I, um, it definitely feels like a little bit of slog in the middle of the season, but I really like playing tournaments and the biggest thing is I need to just. Quality ones. Hmm. I think sometimes I don't plan ahead quite enough and I end up playing tournaments that aren't the best quality and they get a little bit frustrating. But I'm started off strong for 2023 with the Kisco Classic.

Corey:

I not wait to beat you there, Jaimen. I'm just wanting to get that out there. you and Antonio Albert are going so hard. Yes.

Jack:

Good luck. Homeboys got a pedigree.

Corey:

Oh, Jaimen talking about Antonio, I knew that's not what you.

Pat:

Well, I mean, Antonio's won the event.

Corey:

So as news and Jack.

Pat:

All right. Jaimen. new.

Ryan:

Boy, does Jaimen have an Update or.

Jaimen:

Yeah, I've, I've done a bunch of stuff. A few days after we recorded all the end of the year stuff, I, went down for a quick little out and back trip to practice for the Kisco Classic. I played a couple rounds on Thursday and then drove down into New Jersey in Pennsylvania the next day and played three new courses. I played, Hackett Park with Ryan, and a couple of his friends, which was super fun. Now I get to understand what you're talking about anytime you talk about that course. very fun course. Then after that I went up to Pinebrook on Ryan's suggestion and he was absolutely right. If you're ever in that area, that is a definitely must play course. Some of the coolest par four. Wooded holes I've pretty much ever seen. There was some really, really awesome holes on that course. Then I played Greystone, which was another fun course. So three, three really fun courses all in the same day. All very different courses. And I got to bump my final tally for the year or two. Less than half of what my original goal was.

Pat:

I thought they were gonna count towards this year. Darn it.

Jaimen:

Oh no, they, yeah. now looking back and knowing myself a little bit better, I could use all the help I could get. Cause I still wanna play as many new courses as I can, but I don't think I'm gonna put a number on it this year.

Ryan:

did you finish Greystone in the light because there's like 45 minute drive between each of those courses.

Jaimen:

yeah, yeah.

Ryan:

That's incredible. That's a hell of a day.

Jaimen:

it was really fun. I didn't play any Disc Golf the next day. I can say that much. But yeah, I played all three of them in the day. Graystone was starting to get close to dusk, but it wasn't anything where I was rushing.

Ryan:

And what did you think of Greystone? You played the whites, right? They have tea pads on all the whites from what I recall.

Jaimen:

Yeah, I played all the whites. It was fun. I actually, I passed by Dustin Wolf and Eric Schubert on his record setting day. I think he shot 16 under on that course.

Ryan:

He did solo.

Jaimen:

yeah, an incredible, incredible score. I think I was like three or four down, maybe a little bit better than that, but not anywhere near half the birdies, let alone almost all of them. Seeing all those lines. You can see how somebody could birdie all those holes. But doing it all at the same time is a wild proposition. Then after that school started back up and then I played the Kisco Classic and had a pretty good day.

Ryan:

Yeah. Don't say What did you average for the tournament?

Jaimen:

I averaged I think like 10 11, which is my best tournament average by a couple of points. I went back and looked at some stuff

Jack:

That was, 10 22 in the first round. Is that right?

Jaimen:

yep, 10 22 and a cursed 9 99

Ryan:

no.

Jaimen:

My goal for that tournament was to cash. that. I was looking at that field knowing that Eric had shot 16 down the prior weekend. And there's everybody that was there. I was gonna be really happy with cashing and coming back with my entry fee. So, the first round started and I just kind of got the birdie's where I could get'em, I had a really good stretch. I got, 13, 14, and 1514. Everybody gets, but getting it in the middle of a Turkey is really nice. And then I finished out with birdie's on 17, 18, and two, and ended the first round eight down and then second round, I just kind of kept trucking along, except for one, crazy double bogey on Hole 11, which, given the circumstances I was thrilled with. My drive kicked a tree on the left and ended, about 30 feet away from Hole eighteens fairway. So I scrambled from there and saved my double bogey and then got back on track with an A on Hole 14. That's a Hole where if you don't ace it, you're in a lot of trouble. From my shot.

Pat:

I got you.

Jaimen:

yeah. I was aiming like 10 feet in front.

Jack:

You didn't hyzer into it, in other words.

Jaimen:

No, I kind of did. But if, you know, if that shot was half a foot higher, I would've skipped ob right off the top of the basket. But yeah, it wasn't my game plan going into that Hole, but I can't say I'm too upset about it.

Ryan:

Who'd you play with the first round? Who witnessed your 10 22?

Jaimen:

First round I played with David Koch, Sylvia Sanchez and, ryan Daley.

Jack:

And then, second round lead card, who was on that?

Jaimen:

Second round was me, Brinster, Scott Howard. And craig hyzer. Yeah, super fun card, fun cards all day. the second card was a little bit more competitive than the first one. I feel like that's with every tournament your first card's a lot more relaxed, but no, it was a lot of fun. It's really nice to go out and play Disc Golf the way that I know I can play Disc, Golf, so that tournament shifted one of my goals into. I just wanted to get a better rating for next year. Also today podcast listeners and 2024 Pro World Championships hopefuls, the, ratings criteria came out and it's nine 80 next year rather than nine 70, so that bumped up. So one of my goals now is to try to make that tournament, not an anomaly, but just the start of a trend because I do feel like I can play at that level pretty regularly. For me it's just getting out of my own head and, keeping an even keel.

Ryan:

What was working well for you?

Jaimen:

My drives were really, really on. Out of 36 holes, I really only had one drive that, or, two, I messed up Hole 17 on the drive, but that's fine. And if I did mess up the drive a little bit, it was never in a disastrous spot. So my drives were either right where they needed to be or well within the deviation where I wasn't gonna end up in a bad spot if I messed it up. And so that just kept working. I made the putts when I needed to make them. I think I only made two or three. putts outside of the circle, and my upshots were always getting me to about 15 feet away. So I was able to stay pretty stress free all day which was really nice.

Ryan:

That's awesome. Well, congratulations. That's a hell of a way to start the year.

Jaimen:

Thank you. Yeah, I'm super excited about it. Really excited to build off of it and keep working harder. I managed to get a hour and a half, upshot practice in today. hopefully be able to ride that momentum into when it actually gets cold, which can only be right around the corner. Oh, one more thing about it. I thought this was interesting. Right when the New Year's, started, I stopped eating sugar and added sugar basically completely. So I played this tournament with not having any added sugar in my diet for about a week. And if you think I was annoying about the not eating sugar the day before a tournament thing before just wait for this year.

Corey:

I was actually just about to ask you if you ate any sugar before the tournament.

Jaimen:

I've cut out added sugar basically completely for, you know, a good solid eight days. So it's safe to say it's gonna last a whole year. I don't know, we'll see what happens, but right now it's working and I feel really good. I feel I have a lot more energy. And more importantly, I have a lot more focus. I get a lot more done during the day.

Pat:

What about the fact that Jack was the one who removed the Kisco Classic from the qualifiers for the Hudson Valley Disc Golf Podcast Player of the Year Award. How do you feel about that?

Jaimen:

That's all right. He's a WeDGE guy. He's gotta work against me on some level. He did let me stay at his house and was an awesome awesome host. So gotta give him that.

Pat:

That's awesome. Jack.

Jack:

Yes.

Pat:

Nobody else in 50. So you played 40.

Jack:

Yeah.

Pat:

60

Jack:

I, I, I, no, no. You fuck. That's a, that's a big no. Yeah. Fuck.

Pat:

MA 40 is a tough field.

Jack:

is it

Pat:

Yeah.

Jack:

A bunch of pussies for my money.

Pat:

I mean, you, you, held your own.

Ryan:

You beat some people

Jack:

I did fine. So, I was about to say without offending anyone, but I'm not sure how to say this without offending anyone. It's the first time I walked out of a tournament since I started playing again where I beat all of the people that I kind of would've been mad if I hadn't beat. And all of the people who beat me, I can live with. And I would've said that two years ago.

Ryan:

Jack's back,

Jack:

I'm feeling, I feel kind of back. Yeah. And I had a great fucking time, I mean, between Jaimen Corey coming out Friday night, and I had a fun card in the morning. I had a, probably a more fun card than I should have had due to like a probably a shuffling error.

Pat:

If you played with anybody in that division, you had a decent

Jack:

Yeah, yeah. That's right. That's right. It's all fun guys. Yeah. Now the guy who took it down, mark, I forget his name. He was the only guy that didn't have much in the way of connections there. He's a Connecticut guy, but didn't really seem to know like a ton of the Bridgeport guys or a ton of the Cran guys. And he had a pretty low PDGA number, but he doesn't have a lot of events. He may be something of a Covid retread. He just hit the gaps all day long. He out gapped he was playing with, I said at some point in the first card he played on, I said we had a decade, but probably it's more than that. It's probably closer to 15 years of, hosts of Kisco Tuesday. Doubles on his card. Between me, Josh Pelo and Eric Bowers, guys who had been at Kisco every Tuesday for years. And Bowers had a bad first round. He was able to fix it. If Bowers had a, had any kind of round in the first round, he was able to fix it in the second he would've taken it down. But the other kid who did, well, maybe his name was Ryan is a li guy. Ledge guy. No, DisCap guy.

Pat:

Jasan Gorsuch.

Jack:

Yeah. Yep. He knew a bunch of guys, that were there. He did well too and did enough to, keep Eric's charge away in the second round. I didn't play with him, but he seemed like a really decent guy. And of course, I know everybody else in the division, they're all, really good guys. I was disappointed in my second round, but when I looked back at, it was only like a stroke or two different than my first round. I just, my, level of expectation went up. Yeah, same lap. I don't know. I was doing work and when I didn't get off the Tee, I was fixing it. And, I feel like I'm real close to just as bad as I used to be.

Pat:

Corey, you said this is the first time you played since, what, two, three years ago?

Corey:

Yeah, I think 2020. I think that's the last time I played the Kisco Classic. I don't know. Was there. A 2021 Kisco Classic. I also forgot that it's 2023 now, and I don't think if there was one last year, I also didn't play that one But yeah, 2020 was, I think the last went to and I played it better back then as a AM-Two. Are you fucking kidding me, man?

Pat:

How.

Corey:

And I remember the weather was way worse. It was way colder. Well, that sucks.

Jack:

Yeah, well, you know, sometimes you have a regression day, just call it a regression day and forget about it.

Corey:

I got kiss code. The funny thing is, I felt like they were bad rounds, but they weren't like terrible. But then I think about how I did better three years ago in the cold. That looks even worse.

Jack:

I'll say this in support of Jaimen men's performance, it is not an easy thing to do to string two good rounds together at Kisco. I don't care who you are. it seems to be the story of the chorus is one good round. And when you can put two together, you're having a special day cuz it for some reason it doesn't treat you the same way the second time around.

Corey:

Yeah. If you don't get birdie's at Kisco, you're kind of screwed from the

Jack:

Yep. You are. You. Ah.

Corey:

It's funny though, because I think I guessed that 15 down was gonna win the pro division and, like watching the scores before, say, I don't know, Jaimen, did you say you birdied like five of your last seven holes of the tournament? Second round?

Jaimen:

Oh, no, no. I got three out of the last seven.

Corey:

See, I remember looking at scores every now and then, just, trying to check up and, I'm like, oh, they're not gonna get to 15. And then next thing Jaimen comes out nowhere. I refreshed the page after a while I was like, holy shit, what the hell happened to Jaimen? He's crushing every.

Jaimen:

Oh yeah. Yeah little advice, if you wanna build a nice cushy lead, just ace one of the holes.

Jack:

Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

Corey:

I didn't notice a score difference because you said you double bogey the other one and then, and then ace that one

Jaimen:

right? Yeah. It worked out pretty well.

Corey:

actually, I think I heard from about it from Brian first. I got some like ace alert message and I'm like, great. No, I can't even do that. Came and took that money too. God damnit

Jaimen:

Yeah. I think Brian was following along closely. I appreciate occasionally just getting a good job from Brian throughout the day. That was really nice. I think he was the fifth person to know about the ace.

Corey:

I had a pretty me kesco day, but it was a good weekend.

Jack:

It was outrageous weather. I've never seen a better weather day for the Kisco Classic, which isn't saying much cuz most of the kisco classic weather days would kill people, mortals. But it was fucking flawless out there. The morning round, I think got up to like 43, 44 degrees, very little wind. It actually got a little bit colder, I think in the afternoon and a little bit windier, but nothing that really hammered you. obviously no snow on the ground and it wasn't too wet either. The leaves had been pretty well matted by some precipt midweek. And so the leaves weren't fluffy enough to swallow up your shots. So I don't think there were a ton of lost disks out there either. I will say that Chris Jarden ran a really tight ship. Good event and then took us all to the Captain Lawrence Barrel house for the after party. And that was crazy fun. I didn't know this was here. So Captain Lawrence has an annex in Mount Kisco that's been there for about two years, called The Barrel House. And that's where we went after for awards and some food and a couple of beers. I don't know damn near a third or a half the field traveled over there for that. And that was a damn good time. Eventually it got such a good time that I had to leave cuz it didn't look like my kind of good time anymore. But they did a really nice job. The thing ran like clockwork. Lunch got a little long, but not too long. Chris made good adjustments. got the field back out there for the second half and we finished in plenty of daylight. I think everybody had fun. I know I did. I thought it was great. I had a great weekend doing it and it was nothing but fun for me the whole time.

Corey:

Yeah, I was gonna say my first card, I had a pretty good chance to have a loaded DisCap, card since I feel like we had half the pro field, or at least half. I don't know either way. But I played with mostly the same group of guys the first, second round, Kyle Hirsch and Anthony Mohans, which they're also. their own best friends. And the first one I got to play with Harry. So between those two guys, Harry and me, it was a pretty, pretty chill card to play on. I told Kyle I'd give him a shout out on the podcast, mainly cuz he made last cash, but also because we started a round one on Hole four and I think he went last, or maybe he didn't go last, but either way he six on four at Kisco. I had a terrible drive. I mean, we got halfway down the fairway and I think I watched him throw three times before I could even throw my second one So that was pretty hard to watch, but he bounced back from it really well. And, typical Kyle fashion had some good luck and, you know, capitalized on some really good putts. It's a pretty good Putter so whenever he does miss one it's pretty surprising. But 2 good cards. Got to see some good Disc Golf. It flowed well and, yeah. Good overall experience.

Pat:

I wish there was a way that people could see him throw.

Corey:

Oh yeah, well,

Ryan:

Maybe an

Corey:

Actually, if you wanna see how some of the guys that played Kisco play at Mine Kill, you could visit the Hudson Valley Disc Golf Podcast, YouTube channel and watch the Mine Kill Am side.

Pat:

Jasan. How does it feel to tie your mechanic?

Jasan:

I get to play with him second round. It was a lot of fun. We both kind of struggled. He definitely struggled the second round. But it was great weather, great cards. I get to play with Craig Cutler both rounds. He's always fun to play with. Yeah definitely got beat up on a few holes there. I think both rounds I started like three or four over par and then clawed back to get under or even, so it was not a lot of pars out there for me.

Jaimen:

Speaking from experience. Tying Harry is awesome because usually he just beats you, not you, Jasan, just everybody.

Pat:

it's a good point.

Jasan:

He beat me at first tracks. We were on a card together at first tracks and I thought I was clever by giving him. Imperial biscotti break, which definitely slowed him down a little bit. But he's, he still beat me.

Ryan:

Not enough.

Jasan:

Dope

Pat:

You beat Brinster Cutler, Scott Howard, and probably would've been my favorite if I didn't mention the previous three, Craig hyzer, at least locally. That's impressive.

Jack:

impressive.

Pat:

And it wasn't, shitty weather. It was like you guys have said a couple times it was a decent weather for Kisco.

Jack:

like, he refused to, let me say, he had serious competitors in the field and he managed to stay ahead of all of them. Sylvia Sanchez had a good game. I will say he was on my couch applauding and squealing like a little girl when he heard Todd Springer wasn't coming.

Jaimen:

Jokingly, jokingly.

Jack:

We sat around and watched Jordan's players meeting, I cast up onto the big screen that's quite a lot of entertainment. On your big screen, Chris Yard?

Jaimen:

oh, Chris is so much fun.

Jasan:

Yeah, that was good.

Pat:

That's a lot of divisions. It is a little trippy scene. Mixed amateur, doesn't it? It didn't used to say that

Corey:

No, they changed it with the rule,

Jack:

it. Yeah.

Pat:

That's what's making me not wanna say who won'em all, but,

Corey:

I thought that's where,

Pat:

Yeah.

Jack:

Just let Steven Hawking do it in the edit.

Pat:

Yeah, probably.

Don (3):

Thanks Jack. We'll start in the Women's Amateur Three Division where Fiorella Sanchez took it down. Matt Strickrodt won the Mixed Amateur Three Division. Women's Amateur Three went to Kelli Terpening and Taylor Edwards shot four down to win Mixed Amateur Two. Moving over to the age protected Amateur Divisions. Timothy J. Smith won Mixed Amateur Sixty Plus and while he was mentioned before in this episode, we now know his last name as Mark DeRosa won a tightly contested Mixed Amateur Forty Plus by 1 stroke over Jason Gorsage who took second by one stroke over Eric Bowers. Jake Yanoviak shot minus 7 on the day to win Mixed Amateur one. On the Pro Side: Erik Dienemann won the Mixed Pro Fifty Plus Division and Robert Bennett gets his first Pro win shooting five under to take Mixed Pro Forty Plus. Cassandra Lioi held off Kaitlyn Clay to win the Women's Pro Open Division. And if you've listened this far, you should know by now that Jaimen Hume won the Mixed Open Division while throwing only 96 shots on the day. Congratulations to all the winners. Sweet Up Hudson Valley.

Jaimen:

Jack. Yes. Jaimen having a 15 year old. I would like your insight. Corey seems to think that most 15 year olds are very familiar with Roe v. Wade If you ask ender right now, do you think would know when Roe v. Wade happened? When it happened?

Pat:

Yeah. The year? Yeah. I don't know. Are you sure? Because he thinks that's the talk in the middle school hallway

Jaimen:

Yeah. Ask him if he's heard any of his teachers yell back and forth in the hallways. Ro Wade,

Corey:

I will ask. Well, I would just think that that's probably around the time they're going through, like the big cases in American history. And not only that, like it was super, um, hang, wait, what? Hang on. Jaimen. I'm onto something right now. buzzword. Oh yeah. Current events. It's current events. That's your buzzword? Yeah. When you ever hear the phrase current event, except for Winni, it's a goddamn school assignment. All

Jaimen:

Corey, what restaurant would you have gone to on your 15th

Corey:

birthday? Con baby I rest my

Jaimen:

case.

Jack:

Yeah. Yeah, your case is well

Corey:

rested. Yeah, I was probably get the best. Be for the, for the buck and get ice cream after all in the same place. Hey, I was, I love

Jaimen:

Ponderosa. I'm not saying anything wrong

Corey:

with it. I would say

Jack:

that Zander knows what Roe v Wade is, that he knows that abortion rights are under attack. But I wouldn't say that he could nail down when the, the original court case, uh, was happening. No, that,

Jaimen:

that's my guess.

Corey:

Well, yeah, we just proved a gun. How much of an idiot I am.

Pat:

He was arguing to get Chris Luci as a guest on the podcast. I had to explain to him I took it because he did not believe it was a robot voice. Oh, Jesus Now mind you, he's never met the guy. But

Corey:

look, Corey, listen, listen, I, I will say that almost a hundred percent of the time, and I listen to the podcast, it's when I, when I wake up that morning and I'm just laying in bed, I put the podcast out. Cause if I was already here, I already know what we talked about. You're in your most gullible scene. Yeah, I probably fall back to sleep right afterwards and I woke. Oh shit. I gotta go to work.

Jack:

We should start selling him things.

Jaimen:

Uh oh. On Saturday. Corey's gonna start believing

Corey:

conspiracy theories. I'm gonna beep into it by the time. Get there, Jaimen. I'll tell you what, write my books.

Jaimen:

Alex Jones.