The Weight Of Success: A Raw Conversation

In the 60th episode of Mind Your Own Dog Business, Kristen Lee sits down for an authentic and raw conversation with Emily Nolan & Maggie Christina about the untold truths to achieving a success level in the dog training and pet business industry.

Both these women have achieved (and will continue, too!) phenomenal success, but with that level of performance and achievement, a darker side emerges.

Emily & Maggie both share their stories about their internal and external struggles as they level up as entrepreneurs. From being labeled as a "fraud" and being blacklisted in the dog training industry to seeking counsel from toxic people that DIDN'T support their growth, this is the flip side of success that most aren't talking about.

Emily & Maggie also share why when you experience growth it's so incredibly important to surround yourself with other performing business owners because it can be lonely. 

It's real; it's raw. It's what we need to talk about as women in the dog training industry.

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Transcript

60th episode of the mind, your own dog biz podcast, the leading pet dog industry podcasts. It keeps it real. It keeps it raw and keeps it fresh for all of you. Amazing dog trainers, dog, walkers, pack walkers, and anybody else in the business of dogs. Ooh, excuse my throat. I'm already, I'm already tearing up at this episode.

Since it's the 60th episode. I have two of my favorite Doug business entrepreneurs on the phone and for the interview today, because 

Maggie Christina: [00:01:55] we're going to get really real, 

Kristen Lee: [00:01:58] raw and vulnerable [00:02:00] about the weight of success as women all over, like not just in the pet dog industry, but just. As an entrepreneur. So, you know, these two, I love them both.

They're my sole business sisters, Maggie and Emily Nolan. 

Maggie Christina: [00:02:17] Hello. 

Kristen Lee: [00:02:18] Hey, so 

Maggie Christina: [00:02:22] seriously, 

Kristen Lee: [00:02:23] it's always an honor to have you guys on. So I just want to open a little bit about, I don't even know how to say this, like being successful or being subjectively successful. In an industry that's 

Maggie Christina: [00:02:37] predominantly 

Kristen Lee: [00:02:39] kind of, I want to say this, I'm going to say this out here to be Ron on sensor, raw and cutthroat.

So I wanted to have both of you women that are strong women that I look up to, and I know my audience and everybody else in industry looks up to, to chat a little bit about what it means to be boldly successful and 

[00:03:00] Maggie Christina: [00:02:59] also. 

Kristen Lee: [00:03:01] The weight of being successful, like what are some of those unspoken consequences that you both have went through and all of that un-fun stuff as you grew, and as you grow as entrepreneurs,  

Maggie Christina: [00:03:16] I apologize in advance everybody because I'm probably gonna cry during recording this podcast.

Oh, okay. 

Emily Nolan: [00:03:26] Um, I mean, for me, I guess I'm still kind of figuring that out. Like I, this year has been a really big year of growth for me because I purchased my first, um, house that's attached to this 30 acre property. That was like a big expansion for me personally, and like with our business. And then, um, moving into that space.

I mean, literally I moved from. Renting a room from, at my friend's house where it was just like a one bedroom place that I used a Brown paper as curtains, like taped to the [00:04:00] window. I like to say that to people it's true. And I'm into this massive house and, and not because I couldn't have before, but I just, it was time to kind of make that shift.

So from like the outside perspective, you know, people saw me in one way and then I moved into this different way. And even though I was that way, the whole time suddenly like. The outside people were maybe tuned into that too. 

Maggie Christina: [00:04:22] Yeah. Yeah. We were talking, I I've had a very similar experience guys where I went from literally.

Living in an army tent, right? Like when we first moved to North Carolina, we bought raw land and I worked my butt off. Like I had my own, uh, chainsaw, like cleared my land created my own dog runs like started from literal scratch. And within four years had worked my way into living in the, what we kind of call jokingly called the McMansion, which was the, uh, clinic in mansion in Durham where I was running events.

And. Living with the kiddo when we didn't [00:05:00] have, um, groups coming through and it was like, Emily, and I think have had a very similar experience. You go from people perceiving you one way to all of a sudden you're surrounded by something new and clearly looks expensive for lack of a better term. And then all of a sudden people's opinions of you shifts.

And I feel like for me, I experienced people shifted really quickly. And one of two ways they either went, Oh, Well, that money has to be coming from somewhere else. So that can't possibly be from her, you know, or she's a fraud. It was almost like from the negative perspective and people start to fucking judge you and then the other extreme of people trying to fucking use it.

You know, I had friends, for example, coming out of the woodwork during that time I lived in that house running events that didn't give a shit about me, but yeah. Damn. If they showed up fast, when they thought that I had something that they could have or take or be included on, is it makes me like being successful.

Reminds me [00:06:00] of the little red head. It's like you work your butt off and all the barnyard animals sit around. And then when the beds baked, all of a sudden, everybody wants to either show up and eat it or tell you how much the bread sucks. 

Emily Nolan: [00:06:13] True. Yeah. And then there's like, not very far, you can go in the conversation because no one wants to hear about like the poor me complex.

Maggie Christina: [00:06:24] No, that's a really good point, Emily. It's like, okay. You're quote unquote successful, you know, the first time, first time, because there has been a few times in my life that I've been through this. There's. So when I was 21, I had started my, okay. First of all, I went through my training, apprenticeship, hardcore training, apprenticeship learned a lot of good stuff around training and board and trains, et cetera, facility management, whatever.

And I went and built my first business after that in Southern California. And I had this like award-winning business within two years. So I went from. 18 to 21. And by the time I was 21, I was [00:07:00] making a shit load of money. I had a lot of happy clients. I was pretty well networked. Um, and I was also hated to a certain extent, right.

By some of the people that like, you know, I'll give you guys an example. I remember going and meeting, I was called by the stock Turner that lives out in Malibu and he wanted me to come over. Do like a meet and greet. And I was like, cool, sure. Whatever. And I show up and it's not even, it was like a dude that works out a facility.

And I just, I'll never forget, like I was standing in a room with him and he had like three or four of his board and train dogs out. There were acting atrocious. There's a management. There was no thought in his mind about how to actually like. Use that as a part of the training, like all of it, it was a disaster and I didn't say anything, but I'm sitting in this situation, I'm like witnessing it and then I'll never forget this motherfucker looks up at me at one point and goes, well, what makes you want to become a dog trainer?

And I just was fucking floored. I was like, What do you, [00:08:00] excuse me, like, dude, bro, you don't even know what the fuck you're doing. Clearly. I have one of the most successful fucking dog training businesses in and around Ventura County and Santa Barbara. Like who the fuck are you? You know? And I didn't say it.

I was, it was more like the shock and it stuck with me. And I went through this phase then where I was like, what's the point of success? Success sucks. Like I'm making all this money. I'm super talented. Like I've dedicated myself. This craft at this point for years, you know, dropping out of school, starting to teach dog training at 12 years old, like I was invested and it was like, okay, I'm finding myself 21 years old.

And this whole thing around success, like what the fuck is the point? So my first response to going through this was to burn my fucking business down and I did, and I did, I don't regret it, but I did. That's when I jumped ship over to outdoor ed and I still did behavior cases on the side for several years after that, but it was looking back all these years later that was experienced.

Number one, with [00:09:00] hating. The painful reality of what success actually means for a woman that has has a business, right? Because you do all of this work and then you're constantly downplayed. You're left at the end of the day kind of going, okay, well, what is the what's in it for me? And then when you learn to get selfish, everybody says that you're selfish and you suck and that's not professional or whatever.

You got a whole bunch of other judgment. That comes down the pipeline when you start to, you know, try to take better care of yourself has been my experience. 

Emily Nolan: [00:09:30] Yeah. And I think that it's just, 

Maggie Christina: [00:09:32] if you're not, 

Emily Nolan: [00:09:33] um, If you're not shown how to kind of run a life, that scale, then you're doing a lot of this off of intuition, or just sometimes dumb luck, sometimes talent.

Sometimes, you know, you seize the right opportunity whenever all of these things together come together for you. So you're trying to figure it out and it can flow very isolating. And I think that that's true for people that do have kind of a support around it, or maybe have. Like [00:10:00] parents that modeled it, but definitely for maybe someone like you or me or Kristen who, um, just never had that.

So you're also like alone in all of your decision making, right? Yeah. Like what, how to kind of navigate your course. And that can be really overwhelming a lot. 

Maggie Christina: [00:10:18] Yeah. True. I'm curious, Emily, like, have you also had that experience of. When you're just starting out in your dedicated, it's like, you're kind of in the first two thirds of your pass and the P and talking about the support system, right?

The people that believe in you and are backing you, have you had that experience for some of those people, when you almost tipped the level of like very clearly being successful. Right on the outside, like to everybody else. And then all of a sudden and losing some of those supporters because, well, she's gotten too big for her britches or she's good, but yeah, that good or whatever, like I do have that experience of people that supported you actually turning on you later on in, in your kind of path.

[00:11:00] Emily Nolan: [00:11:02] I'm very separated from the dog training community. So I would imagine that would come up with peers within, well, I mean, yeah, actually yes, once I started to really get my footing, um, and be very sure of myself and I wasn't as like that insecure younger version of me as much, although she comes back a lot sometimes.

Um, uh, yeah. Then I started to see my peers change where they weren't. And for me to within like the network that I'm in of dog trainers, like that was a big shock for a lot of people, because I went from a role that wasn't, I was a part of the community, but I wasn't a doc in like on the trainer floor.

And then I was, and then, you know, they left and came back and they were like, Oh, you're running this whole business. We always thought you were the kennel girl, the 

Maggie Christina: [00:11:48] office girl, whatever. 

Emily Nolan: [00:11:50] So yeah, I saw that a lot, um, in my personal life, I think that. Like, I can't tell you the amount of like [00:12:00] childhood stuff.

It is being unpacked just by buying this house and land. I mean, it's, it's, um, I would, I'd never even, I mean, maybe a psychologist would have known this was going to happen. I didn't. And it just like has come out in waves over the course of this last year. And I just actually hit my year anniversary here, September 15th.

Um, 

Maggie Christina: [00:12:18] right. Congrats by the way. 

Emily Nolan: [00:12:20] Thank you. And I, you listening. I live on 30 acres. Um, Which is like a big undertaking and it's great and wonderful. I've learned so much, but, 

Maggie Christina: [00:12:29] well, it's like, your place is like a park to like, not to talk. Cause I know we don't, you know, but it's an amazing property. The location, it's not just like 30, cause I've seen 30 acres, but this place is like Terra forms and you have like it's.

A magical Wonderland, especially if you have a dog it's really, really cool place, Emily. It really is. 

Kristen Lee: [00:12:53] Yeah. 

Maggie Christina: [00:12:54] Yeah. So it's like, yeah, yeah, it's a space. But also like, it's just, it has this, the property [00:13:00] itself has really inspiring in my opinion. I love that place. So, yeah. Yeah. 

Emily Nolan: [00:13:04] And I think it was really confusing because even people that understood my career and this is something I'm sure a lot of dog trainers that was in.

Probably get this, but I think that it's a, uh, like a 

Kristen Lee: [00:13:15] game, 

Emily Nolan: [00:13:16] like it's like a hobby job, you know, I tell people I'm 

Kristen Lee: [00:13:20] a dog trainer and they go, go 

Emily Nolan: [00:13:21] cute. Like, that's adorable. 

Maggie Christina: [00:13:23] I want to Pat you on the head. Oh yeah. 

Kristen Lee: [00:13:28] It's a super serious career path. Obviously you guys are that. 

Emily Nolan: [00:13:30] And um, and also you can do a lot with it and you can kind of expand your life and leverage.

And so I went from, like I said, that room. My friend's house to this, and it was a big job, like, so visually it was just this, like almost with the game whiplash, I feel like. Um, and they're trying to understand me. And then because of that, also my own identity kind of got, went through a whiplash around it too, as I'm kind of stepping into this role.

And I think you do feel yourself, [00:14:00] maybe Maggie, what you're saying is that. You feel yourself kind of become a little bit distant from that old self that was smaller. And like, that is really scary too, to be like, okay, I'm letting go of that person. I'm moving into this person and she's going to look different, probably have different friends or, you know, have different interests in her life.

And it's really important if, if the new Emily is going to survive that I start to be okay with that. So. 

Maggie Christina: [00:14:29] No, it's such a good point. Cause it's like, you're also having to adapt to these new pieces of you and these new versions of you that have to adapt to the success around you. And you know, for me, like I've always been known to be a very quick learner.

Like, I mean, even motorcycle riding, like when I took my MSA course, the motorcycle instructor towards the end was like, I've never seen somebody progressing their skills as quickly as you. And it's like, well, I'm just, I'm a good student. And so. My entire life. Like if, you know, if you were to [00:15:00] ask my best friend since I was 16, she'll tell the rest of you guys in the industry.

Oh yeah. This is just Maggie. She'll, you know, do something, do it for awhile, go through like huge learning curve, implement a lot of really good stuff. Know what she's doing, know where she's heading and just do these huge level ups and with people in the industry that got to know me for the persona that I was at, like, especially online for a couple of years.

When I went through another one, cause it's not the only one I've gone through, but another one of those Uplevel cycles I went into the big house started in that direction. It was almost like I had to deal. I have to do deal person like Emily is saying we have to deal with our own inner growth and learning how to, how to grow with what we're building for ourselves.

And at the same time, the larger that growth is the more people on the outside have a hard time coping as well because it's, um, So word for it. It's getting like typecasted, you know, like I was typecasted as just being like, The funny chick that talks about dog businesses, you know, the chick with the poop emoji, like [00:16:00] people, certain people had a really hard time adjusting to realizing that I was not just funny.

I'm fucking serious. I'm brilliant. And I'm really good at my job. And so there was this split that happened. So I had to deal with my shit as well as the maturation or the blow back from. From the rest of the industry, which really affected a lot of relationships. There's a lot of people out there that, and there's a lot that also don't feel like this, you know, but there, but it were I'm.

I get butt hurt over the people that I used to have good relationships with that now, like, you know, won't even respond to me like they've blacklisted me. Because they only saw me for a year and a half or two years or three years. And that's really hard. It's really hard. It's really hard to like, you know, that kind of stuff, sink in and also just know that those things are, can happen.

You know, you can actually have relationships. Breakdown, whether it's with, with yourself, right? Like my first time kind of going through the [00:17:00] cycle and burning my business down was my resort, you know, so that I kept myself smaller so that, you know, I didn't have to deal with that ultra growth in the blue, which a lot of people 

Emily Nolan: [00:17:08] do, some people do.

Right, right. Like they'll just stop progressing the business or, you know, self-sabotage. 

Maggie Christina: [00:17:15] Yeah. Well, and I think like the elephant in the room here, too guys, and I feel like there's some of you ladies listening, they're like waiting for us to talk about this. You reach that point of. I'm either going to burn it down or I'm either, or I'm going to get my emotional shit together and stretch and be uncomfortable and learn and grow and start stepping off into who I am and was meant to become, you know, and at that juncture, that's when the sexism starts to fucking.

Lack of a better term and no pun intended bitch slap us. Right? That's when people start saying, well, you should really tone it down. You should really do this. You should really do that. The judgment starts to come out and it makes it compounds those issues, you know? Cause it's already a struggle inside.

[00:18:00] You're already walking this fine line, right? And that's when people come out and go, well, who are you to be in this position? Or, you know, it's like that moment that that guy looked at me and said, Oh, well, uh, you know, so you want to be a dog trainer and it's like, dude, I'm fucking 10 times better than you like, clearly I'm witnessing this in this moment.

As you're saying this to me, you know, or the guy later on that at the end of an interview, one of the interviews I did around being a business coach in the industry a couple of years ago, ago, Get done with the interview and the guy's immediate feedback was, wow. Well, you handled that pretty well. You know, your husband must do something cool or whatever to make a lot of money so that you can stay home and play business coach.

And it was like he was trying to compliment me. And at the same time, I'm just completely fucking misrepresented and misunderstood my entire situation. Cause the reality was my husband was stay at home and I was supporting my entire family off of what I was speaking on. He thought that I had to be fucking supported, even though I was [00:19:00] good at what I was doing.

It was like his brain. Cause that's, that was the shift. Right. It's like, wow, you're really good at this. I don't understand. How you could be so good at this, you must have a man backing jail, you know? So there's that thing that every single one of us that reaches this moment of success, this like you either burn it down or fucking get help and have the right support system and you move through it.

Like we're getting, we started getting bombarded with those messages. To tone it down. 

Kristen Lee: [00:19:29] Well, Maggie, something that I want to say too, and I've, we've had that conversation or even yesterday, I remember I was telling you about that. I was working out in my home gym and the neighbor walkway was like, Oh, it must be nice to work out.

What does your husband do? So you can be home every 

Maggie Christina: [00:19:42] day. 

Kristen Lee: [00:19:43] And then I saw him yesterday with. Taking my little dog for a walk with my husband and he's like, Oh, she exists. And I was like, I'm like, yeah, you don't see me. Cause I'm upstairs making all the money. It's a lot. But at the same time, 

Maggie Christina: [00:19:56] men. 

Kristen Lee: [00:19:57] Yeah, exactly.

Like I am head of [00:20:00] household here and. You know, one thing that I've seen used against you, particularly about gait, because I've known you since late 20, 15, early 2016, right. And something I see in the industry, a lot of it used as a weapon. It's weaponized where it's my. Not be it's like it's weaponized, but also too.

It's like when women do have the goals, I want to say, or there they're doing the boldness of stepping out, showing up and talking about success and what it takes to be successful. Like we're having right now, women traditionally are under such a microscope in the industry. That's right. You know, it's 80% women, 20% males.

Right. But it's so weaponized and women are such under like the scrutiny of a microscope. Where, for example, if you go on TV and you're a dog trainer, like you are going to get picked the fuck apart. If a woman shows up into a class or a Facebook classroom asking for feedback, she's [00:21:00] going to get picked a far apart.

Um, the tone it down messages, you know, the one we chatted about last week and the one that Emily has been hearing for years from a. Quote, unquote, legacy trainer. It's it's just, it's incredible. The way people try to weaponize and listen, I know we're talking and people are probably rolling their eyes right now.

Oh, poor, poor Maggie, poor Emily porkers, and talking about a place of privilege. There, there is, uh, there is a way to success, you know, like you said, like people only see the external, like Maddie's house, Emily's property, you know? And things like that, but nobody has a clue what's going on inside. Right?

Like you guys have very different upbringings than me. I did grow up in a privilege household. Like, I'll say that like I'll own that. Um, but it's, it's really interesting that even women, you know, right before we hopped on this call, it's like, we wanted to talk a little bit about the wording we were gonna use and Emily blatantly, and I'm going to, I'm not going to share what you exactly said, but Emily's like, Hey, listen, I want to [00:22:00] keep some safety to myself and vulnerability to myself.

I keep my cards close to my chest, right. Because I don't want this to be my identity. I don't want to do this because she's already. Had this weaponized against her and 

Maggie Christina: [00:22:11] yeah. All that crazy stuff. So, and I think that's an important point because it's like a single use of like a certain word where like, if a dude used it, people would be like, Oh, it's amazing.

If somebody like Emily were to use this, you know, a certain phrase or word or whatever, it's like, Oh, who is she? It's like, you instantly come under scrutiny. And even if somebody is quote unquote positively, like reacting. You have to be so careful to make sure that person's not going to hurt you or rip you off or have ill intentions.

Like it's crazy. I see so many men in the industry that can go out and say almost the same, you know, strategic stuff that we talk about when it comes to business. Right. And like they're hailed for it or whatever they're held for their success. And people generally leave them the fuck alone. Um, women totally different.

It's like, you ha we have to be, uh, we're guilty until [00:23:00] proven innocent. You know what I mean? 

Kristen Lee: [00:23:03] Like people do fucking crazy ass research on you, like actually type in your whole name and find your house and like, fucking look at your property 

Maggie Christina: [00:23:12] record. It's 

Kristen Lee: [00:23:12] fucking crazy. Like the way people go to quote unquote, disprove you versus actually like, Whoa, maybe I should listen to this fucking person.

Emily Nolan: [00:23:21] Yeah. I mean, I think that it's like these little paper cuts. So if you're already, there's a lot of mind games that are happening for. I think anyone in the world. Right. But what we're talking about business owners. So as a business owner, you're navigating, you maybe have a support system that you maybe don't, you're working in a competitive market.

Um, you're kind of working through issues around your own identity or ability to show up for yourself or what's your self worth or how much are, can you value the work that you do? All of that takes a lot of like 

Maggie Christina: [00:23:53] bravery 

Emily Nolan: [00:23:54] and 

Maggie Christina: [00:23:54] bravery. . 

Emily Nolan: [00:23:58] And then you interact with other people. [00:24:00] And if you're a discerning person to begin with, you're kind of taking in that information that you're getting from them as well.

So if you're for me, I mean, it shows up a lot, you know, in these moments of having to deal with like 

Maggie Christina: [00:24:10] contractors 

Emily Nolan: [00:24:10] and electricians and plumbers, there's always this tinge of, is this a conversation that. Even when I bought this property, like dealing with the realtor, I mean, a lot of people were like, you can't do this.

I mean, and they really were surprised the whole way. And, and the whole time I was wondering, can I do this? Can I do this? Like, is this going to be a good choice and not really having like a stable actually I was really thankful to have, there was a couple of like people that were really gunning for me.

And I think that without them. Unabashedly being like, you absolutely can do this. I might've even been talked out of moving into this phase. Um, and it's not any one thing. It is a little, it's a layer of sexism sometimes that can come from men and women. Also, I get a lot of women in there. Yeah, absolutely, 

Maggie Christina: [00:24:57] absolutely 

Emily Nolan: [00:24:59] w me, but, [00:25:00] uh, you, um, see these little like reactions and then you take them in and you internalize them.

And then they start to kind of seep into your brain too. So it's never something, sometimes it's very blatant, like the way that Maggie is talking about where it's like, literally someone's like a woman could never do this. Right. And it's like super plate. And you're like, but a lot of time, it's just these little moments of like, Like, you know, my neighbor going, Oh, I guess I got in the wrong business or someone 

Kristen Lee: [00:25:26] saying you live here alone, 

Emily Nolan: [00:25:28] or someone saying like, uh, you know, just like directing their question to my assistant who was male instead of me at the job.

And I have to like, be like, Hey, actually, I'm the owner, he's my receptionist. I'm like, it's those little moments of having to like, kind of. Make those shifts with people that they're tiny little paper cuts, but they do, they weigh on you and then you have, you feel weighted by them. Or maybe you're bleeding a little bit and throws you down 

Maggie Christina: [00:25:59] and you 

Emily Nolan: [00:25:59] get tired.

[00:26:00] And I feel tired sometimes. Like, Deep in my core, like a soul exhaustion happens a quarterly I'll say. And not that that's great, but if I'm not really careful, I think those are the things that really, you start to help you unravel the work that you're doing. 

Maggie Christina: [00:26:14] Yeah. Well, and hence, the reason why it's so common.

Uh, for people to want to burn it, especially women to want to burn their businesses down at this point, it's like, you know, we were always, we set out to achieve some level of quote unquote success. And then when we get there, we're like, what's this bullshit. Like, this is not what I asked for. And the people on the outside are like, not very helpful, you know, and knowing how to support you through that too.

And it, it can, it's very, it can be very isolating and like the smallest kind of side comment can it, it's just, it's like another cut, like you said. You know, death by a thousand cuts. I remember when we went to ICP for the last time last year. Uh, there was a little interaction that I had that just stuck with me.

Yeah. The entire time. And it was somebody that I'd known from. I, [00:27:00] I say it from quote unquote before, um, this was before, like I really picked up steam on my social media marketing. Right. I've been doing this for a long time. This is what most people don't realize. I've been coaching people and their businesses for like fucking 14, 15 years.

This is not a new thing. Learning social media was. A piece of that, just one piece. So people thought that they knew me from social media before, and I ran into one of the women while also this goes with the whole, you know, I feel sexism through women as well. That scrutiny that wouldn't exist if I was a dude.

Right. So I run into the kind of fireside chat area at the, um, at the conference and I run into an old. Person that has had been following me from before. And she said, first thing out of her mouth, it's really nice to see you here. You know, you really went off the rails there for a little while, and she was talking about that same time period that I'd moved into the big house.

And I was doing a lot more traveling and I was learning from some incredible people. And I mean, I, I was really [00:28:00] invested in serving people. I still am obviously, but like it was, I was in high drive on doing that during that time. And it was like, Me going off the rails to serve the industry that you're going to gain momentum through, like that's going off the rails.

Like that's what I was thinking to myself. And it's just like, God, that's what some people fucking think. Like that's a shame, you know, that, that, like I can put so much hard work into something and that's, this is where it gets hard for me. I'm so dedicated to fucking serving people and understanding at a critical level.

My actual role in my actual job is, you know, and just like any other good dog trainer, good skilled person that's dedicated to their fucking craft and to have it. So many people like throw that back and, and weaponize that to say, well, you know, business coaches are just a sham or if you're just a good dog trainer, your business will speak for itself and you don't need to do any yet.

Like the dudes that are running out there and some women. With that mentality is so rampant [00:29:00] and it's dangerous. And I'm the one that gets called up fraud. Like it dry, it, it hurts. It's been really, really hard and actually a little, not very well known tidbit that I'll throw out here to Emily. That's also on here with us right now.

It's been a huge part of helping me in the right moments to steer me back in the right direction. You know? Cause Emily mentioned earlier, something around like, you know, you could be, you take in everything that everybody says and you do it take, it takes time to discern. You could be good at discernment, but when you have so much shit being thrown at you at once, That's a lot of time to go through that shit.

And it's easy to lose your way. And I've had these moments. For example, we were sitting in fucking New Zealand and the living room of the place we were at the retreat and really overlooking this view. And I remember feeling guilty about the fact that I was traveling and working. And I remember Emily looking down and at me and being like, dude, I'm glad like it, it, you know, you're setting.

The precedent for me, like you're setting the precedent for other [00:30:00] people, like do it like fucking travel, be proud of it, own that shit. That was a huge fucking critical moment. Like, I don't even know if you know that Emily, but like those small moments are huge. And so when we're at these spots where we have all of this fucking feedback and trying to discern and trying to make good decisions, like, I feel like it's like we have to have a support system of the right people, the people that are ready for like future you not trying to hold you back into old.

You know, because those people, even if they mean, well, it's like, they're just validating your. Option to become smaller. And that's why the word boldness for me keeps coming up last couple of weeks. Like we ladies, we, even us in grassroots like us in leadership, like we're also still learning to be bolder and to really step into it and what that looks like and do it in a way where, you know, we don't feel super vulnerable and like we're, you know, at risk of, of, of injury, whether it's by stocking like Kristen and I have had it.

Random situations around [00:31:00] stalking, like, because 

Kristen Lee: [00:31:02] literally PTSD, like I'm in therapy for PTSD because of it. And people think it's hilarious and it's a joke. But when you get a message, the day that your dog dies saying it is your fault and you deserve it, that dude, I've talked a little bit about that. I'm not going to go into a tangent about that.

I went to a dark fucking place to the point of where I was like, I'm done with this industry that day. That day have you done? 

Maggie Christina: [00:31:28] This is the core, right? Because Kristin is making the decision and continue. Cause I feel like it's a day to day choice for us women, right? On that way or that way, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to keep pushing through, or I'm gonna make myself smaller.

It's one or the other. And it's like, if Kristen would have been in the mindset or that had made that decision, energetic district's decision, whatever, to keep herself smaller, you don't get those messages. Like people just, they don't, they don't people don't. Put their focus that ill intention focus on people that are like small and weak.

You know what I mean? [00:32:00] So it comes with, again, the ill consequences of quote unquote success that when people have a negative reaction to you, it's where more amplified, the more successful you are. And we don't talk about that. We don't feel like women in the industry. I think we innately know that. I think I innately knew that for years and I was terrified of really stepping.

Stepping forward B, even though I knew I needed to, you know, because it's like, all right, I'm going to be putting myself in like some fucking firing line potentially. And do I want to, you do I want to risk that this 

Emily Nolan: [00:32:34] is something that everyone goes through. So like this isn't like, Oh, if I happen to get to Maggie's level, then maybe I might experience this.

If you're a business owner listening to this, and at any point are trying to like transition from. Phase whatever to the next one. Yeah. This is the same stuff that you're feeling and, 

Maggie Christina: [00:32:52] Oh my God, there's, it gets, 

Emily Nolan: [00:32:53] it gets louder potentially. And like, for me, like, like I said, this was a really big transition in my life that I did [00:33:00] a year ago and like kind of, I'm still working through it, but I mean, no one's immune to this.

And I do think that all of these things in principles that. Maggie. And Kristen are talking about a really important to get ahead of my, my, then I have a, almost all female staff and even on their, you know, in their respective lives, the way that they are kind of growing, like my goal is that we have a really supportive network there so that they can have, um, no comfort of people that are not.

I'm secretly gunning for their failure, uh, within like 

Kristen Lee: [00:33:39] Emily, you just fucking nailed it. Secretly gunning for them, their 

Maggie Christina: [00:33:42] failure that can we pull that little snippet out and just post it somewhere? Cause that's exactly right. That's exactly right. You know, and our success as. Individuals, no matter what it is, you're doing dog training, fucking [00:34:00] business development.

I skating like whatever we rely, we have to have safe learning and growth environments. If we don't have safe working environments, that what's the point. You know, you can't grow and make mistakes about feeling safe. Our system. 

Emily Nolan: [00:34:19] So the support system is huge and like being very selective about who you bring in.

I mean, you read, you read this in books. There's been other like the, you know, I remember I'm a woman, same as to me years ago, but it's very true. Like keeping the advisory board to a very select few. And I had to really, I'm still have to work on breaking the habit of seeking advice from. Just everyone are being kind of open.

Cause I, I will just like kind of talk about what's going on in my life and that's not an, you know, it's two sided, right? It's like, it's not necessary really about being a S keeping myself small, which was part of the topic points on this. But it's about those like seeds of growth, not being [00:35:00] STEM stomped on by family or.

Friends or people that aren't going to understand kind of what you're working through mentally that will really slow down the growth of your business. I know you talked about this all the time, Nike, but it's one of the bigger, most important things I think that people understand. Yeah. 

Maggie Christina: [00:35:16] Well, it's like in our advanced course, Leading up to the dog business without borders, but it was the mastery course framework.

Um, where, what do we introduce? We start introducing things like, alright, now your relationships are shifting people. You thought that you knew or that supported, you might not be. Acting like that at this point in your career, because you're, you're potentially doing so well. Like those are the first things that I hit on with people when they're at that advanced level.

Cause we got to clear up all of that, like emotional kind of gunk, if you will, like we've got to clean it up a little bit, reorganize it a little bit, have some coping skills so that we can get refocused and back on like a strategic. You know, game plan because it's hard, man. Like yeah. You start [00:36:00] feeling like you're being pulled in different directions.

If you're not super selective about who you're talking to. So yeah. Advanced business very much is about the people that you choose to put your energy into trying to discuss it with. And again, that can include blacklisting, at least we're talking about your business shit or like your professional life.

Um, even people that want to support you simply because they're just, they don't know how yet. You know, if you're not walking away from conversations, feeling motivated and like you've got some level of a game plan or you're ready to tackle shit. If you're left feeling like, Oh my God, like I still don't fucking know, like, you know, there's a problem.

Emily Nolan: [00:36:36] Yeah. Being, being like investing in the therapist or a journal, getting your thoughts out there, don't bring it to, you know, your mom, your sister, your whatever, like those places. A lot of people aren't going to understand. I think those are. Those are the places where, um, And we almost seek validation with those people and then they crush us and then we're like surprised every time.

And then we do it [00:37:00] again, I guess that's me. 

Maggie Christina: [00:37:04] No, all three of us saved on that. Yeah. Well, you know, and I think it's important to like, when we're talking about. The experience once you hit that quote, unquote, some level of success, right? Or achievement, almost like the word achievement butter. It's like when you're achieving, these are, these were the blow block backs and consequences.

And having that clarity on like who you can go to having your system fucking journaling, having a fucking therapist. Um, but also making sure that like the strategic bits are also in there. I feel like a lot of people are good at sharing motivational memes and helping people feel better. But also sometimes there's a lot of lack of, okay, now go ahead.

Do shit. Right? Like, let's go get some momentum now. And I think a lot of us as entrepreneurs, like. That's why it's so hard to spend or, and also why it's so easy to spin wheels with certain relationships is the person might help you feel more [00:38:00] motivated. But if you don't have a fucking game plan, if you're not working towards being like, all right, I'm going to go implement X, Y, and Z.

It's like, what's the point? And then we still continue feeling frustrated. You know, we're entrepreneurs. We do get bored easily too. And I think that's part of it. Like that starts to happen also at the same time that you're ready. One of those main achievement levels, those moments of success. Well, I've done the thing now.

What's next, you know, we start getting itchy. So we also got that. So it's like, we need to be able to implement shit and have a fucking game plan. I know. I always feel like really. Off when I, when I'm not clear on, okay, I'm feeling this way, but this is, this is where I'm heading in. This is how I'm heading there.

Kristen Lee: [00:38:39] Also something that I want to point out to Maggie and that Emily hit on as well. You both have been hitting on it, just, you know, as everybody grows and learns and you know, kind of unwraps their achievement and their success and their performing, because naturally as entrepreneurs, we are all high performing machines.

We are, and we will run ourselves 

Maggie Christina: [00:38:58] to the ground [00:39:00] before. 

Kristen Lee: [00:39:00] We even know it. And we're all I know Emily's working. I know Maggie's working, I'm working, but so like one of the biggest things I want to tell people that are listening to this, it's like be very careful who you surround yourself with because some people will disguise themselves to be your greatest helpers, your greatest fans, your greatest supporters, and the moment they see the truth behind the curtains, they go and share it.

Like literally into your whole body mind house or whatever, that's when they become a cancer to you. And it's so disguised and so unpacked, I've had this happen to me personally. I know Maggie has, I don't know Emily, but the just be extremely picky because sometimes again, if you are a high performing entrepreneur, we fucking tired too.

And we look for help 

Emily Nolan: [00:39:43] and we seek validation 

Kristen Lee: [00:39:45] and you know, sometimes people can just. Just not have the best intentions for you, you know? So it's super, super important. You have a community like that. I know when Maggie, Emily and I get together, if it's at Emily's [00:40:00] place, if it's at Maggie's place or whatnot, like there's just a certain like energy, like, feel it's like.

Maggie Christina: [00:40:06] Oh, my God. Yeah. 

Kristen Lee: [00:40:10] Well, 

Maggie Christina: [00:40:11] so guard people guard, cause you guys are literally people that I know I can completely be myself. You guys get me and if you don't, you're going to ask, like we can have conversations. That's it's it's it's that safe place that I'm describing. Right. And safety includes all levels, whether somebody has an intentions of being toxic or they have good intentions, just really bad advice.

Like it's still leads you down the wrong path. So when you know, it's, it's like, I know that I can trust you guys around all that stuff. So it's just, it's like an energetic, no brainer, but it's, I feel like it's a requirement. Like I've done this cycle a few times over my career where I haven't had that actual sport system.

I've thought I did. But it turned out that it wasn't strong and I'm like, you guys know the story about me being on the top of a mountain, running an event. And like, [00:41:00] it was that everything went wrong. And then my support that was supposed to be that will first world there's two people. One was in the hospital from a heart attack and a stroke.

And the other one literally left me on the top of the mountain. And for a long time, I thought that it was fine. It's just fine. Everything's fine. It's like they literally baggy yeah. 

Kristen Lee: [00:41:18] Interrupt. You. You literally said it was a Rite of passage and had that breakthrough last year about it. 

Maggie Christina: [00:41:25] It took me until last year back all those years later be like, wait a minute.

That was not cool. And it was like literally the most non-supportive thing that, that quote unquote person in my circle could have done. It was awful. And I just, I think I was in such shock from the rest of the situation. Cause it was like, it was a clusterfuck, whatever. Like we all go through it. Because it was such a cluster fuck.

And then to be left, to deal with all of it with Mason, literally on my hip, I think base was seven months old. I did it all. And I think I was in such shock that I just couldn't pry. It took me that long to process the fact [00:42:00] that like the cherry on top was like a big, fuck you. I just could. I was so, so.

Tired. I didn't see it for that long. 

Emily Nolan: [00:42:09] Well, I mean, from what I understand, and hopefully I'm not sharing too much of your story, but that person was a mentor for you leading up to that and maybe like post that. And it took a while to kind of see that you'd outgrown that relationship, 

Maggie Christina: [00:42:21] that mentorship, 

Emily Nolan: [00:42:22] and that it's happened so much.

And as somebody that is, um, like I have a staff that I employ and mentor, uh, You even so to Kristen's point of like, I'm being very discerning about who is, um, your support and not even being able to ship, it could be your own mentor. It really could just like what Maggie saying, just like what Chris is saying.

And the reason I know that not only have I experienced it where I've outgrown my mentor, but I've also, um, experienced myself as a mentor. Having to coach myself to not feel threatened [00:43:00] by the growth of my proteges and that actually important thing to S to see us like a huge success for me and for them.

Right? So like you see them like, wow, this person's really fucking good at this. And they're great. They're better than I am. This is awesome. We need to foster this and I need to check my own ego right now because it's important that they continue to grow.

Maggie Christina: [00:43:22] that is such a good lesson around like checking the signs of a good mentor is where are their ex mentees? Like what happens have they graduated? You know, and to cause like, that was my first experience with, with my mentor, Mike, as he sat down and had that conversation look, kid, my job is if I do my job well enough, you're going to be teaching me years down the road.

You know, I'll be working for you years down the road. And that was his, his mind shift mindset. And, um, that, that I kind of shifted into and. I picked up and ran with that mentality. And I so agree with that. Like you look at, even this conversation, both of you guys started off [00:44:00] as students of mine, and I love and respect you both and kind of hold that space for growth that now you got, we're all sitting here as equals, right?

And sometimes I go to you guys for different things too, and it's a give and take relationship because I can create that space. And that's really, 

Emily Nolan: [00:44:15] that's actually really hard though. Like what Maggie's talking about. I mean, I, I can relate to this cause I've been in positions, like even coaching in sports.

Um, sorry to interrupt you, 

Maggie Christina: [00:44:25] but it actually no really hard to watch 

Emily Nolan: [00:44:28] lap you because if your own identity is that of a coach or support. 

Maggie Christina: [00:44:33] Or a dog trainer 

Emily Nolan: [00:44:34] or a roller Derby player or whatever it is that you are Salesforce and this, that, and your own identity is in it. You're wanting to give that gift to somebody else, but they're making it their own thing.

And so it's like, yeah, I contributed to their success, but I didn't, they are making them self successful. So you start to see that right where it's like, that's them. And they are fucking great in their own being. And you have to really be okay with the idea [00:45:00] that hopefully if you're doing your job, right, the people that you're bringing up are going to like skyrocket, right.

And like, shouldn't be scared. 

Maggie Christina: [00:45:08] Well, that's why we like our, uh, like mentorship and our facilitators. Like it's based on people that have excelled and have been with us as students, you know? And I'm like, I'm proud of the fact that we deliberately make space in the company to bring people like you guys on, you know, and we have clients asking early on in their programs.

Hey, like I want to be considered as like a mentor for grassroots. I want to be considered as somebody that can come back. And help after I finished my stuff, we literally had a conversation like this last week with one of our students and it makes me, it's great. You know, and especially for women, like we go back to, this is a conversation for women.

I look at the places you guys can go and get trained. And yes, a lot of times there's good places. Lot of, by the way, 20 rule, Chris had mentioned earlier, 80% of the dog business [00:46:00] owners are women. Right. Which is why we mostly have conversations with women. But in leadership in the industry, it's the exact opposite, 80% of mentors and places of business in place for you guys to go learn and grow men.

Right. And I know Emily, you've seen this, I've seen this. We've all seen this. How let's talk about mentorship. Going and doing a, uh, like a men's space, fucking mentorship program. What happens is the women usually are the ones that are stifled more likely to allow that, like that mentor process we were just talking about to elevate male students.

Like, I know you've seen that. We've seen that in like seminars and workshops, like in micro aggression level shit too. So it's really hard for women. I feel for us fucking women out there coming into the industry recently is that God, you guys don't have a lot of places to go. This is part of the reason why I fucking love grassroots and I've refused to get out of the industry.

I've had people try to pull me out of the industry and I'm not having it. Like, we need this, we all need this. We [00:47:00] need that safe place to be able to grow. Because you, because of that dynamic, you know, like good mentorship is good mentorship. And I think that that core absolutely needs to always be that, you know, somebody has the right to continue growing beyond what they thought was possible beyond what everybody else thinks is possible.

We need that safety in that place to be able to do that. 

Emily Nolan: [00:47:23] Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. So you have to have this, you know, you have to be. All of the things all at once, brave, 

Maggie Christina: [00:47:31] humble, careful, 

Emily Nolan: [00:47:33] loud. It's just like, yeah, save all these things are to be all of it. And, um, and you have to be pretty well. You do it too. 

Kristen Lee: [00:47:42] Not too bright, but not too pretty.

Maggie Christina: [00:47:45] Yeah. I mean really tone it down. Lady's tone it, tone it down, 

Kristen Lee: [00:47:49] tone it down. 

Maggie Christina: [00:47:51] Oh, the messages were bombarded with 

Kristen Lee: [00:47:54] so something I do want to, I do want to actually kind of, cause Emily, I know you got to wrap up in a second. [00:48:00] Uh, one thing I do want to kind of hit back on, like when we started talking to this call too, it's like even the conversations around grassroots as an organization, just so anybody who's hosting there at guys like ladies, women, How you identify, we are out there, we are committed as a leadership team to be that bullet for you.

Let us break the ground for you. Okay. And you know, it's a whole thing of like we're, we're, we're committed, being bold, being loud, being obnoxious. To pave the space for you. So it's just something that we just literally chatted about, like 24 hours to go on a group, call a leadership team, call that we're out there and we're committed to be bold and, you know, make it normal for us to do this, make it normal.

I'm in the industry to say, listen, I'm fucking successful. Whatever that is, because success is subjective. We get that. But also letting it be shown that like, you can show me like surely and Sholay, I don't even know what the fuck I'm saying right now. Cause I'm like getting, like, I'm getting so upset about not upset, but like, so like 

Maggie Christina: [00:48:59] about it [00:49:00] or, uh, 

Kristen Lee: [00:49:01] just like, I don't know, I'd buy it, but it's like, it's okay to show up and your true authenticity and you don't have to tone it down.

You can be bold. 

Emily Nolan: [00:49:07] You can 

Kristen Lee: [00:49:07] do what the fuck you want to do and having your voice and just show up in the true essence of you, that higher self you want to become. So. 

Emily Nolan: [00:49:15] And it's something I've always appreciated about you guys in particularly Maggie early on in my relationship with y'all. And I think that definitely Maggie is not as aware of this, but there's a lot of people that are like, Oh, she's too out there.

She's too, too much. Right. She's too much. And 

Maggie Christina: [00:49:33] a reason. 

Emily Nolan: [00:49:35] W w and I'm very different than each of you. Like the three of us are all extremely different people and we speak in different ways. And like that comes across in, like, we speak to a different even sector of people in the marketplace, but, um, but it doesn't watching Maggie put herself out there was really exciting for me as a young business owner, um, because it just made it more comfortable for me to be myself too.

And that's really, really, really, really [00:50:00] important. So what you see as like, too showy, or like two. 

Maggie Christina: [00:50:04] Dick jokey or whatever 

Emily Nolan: [00:50:06] somebody else might see as someone that is, you know, making room then that's really great. 

Maggie Christina: [00:50:13] Yeah. Thank you for saying that. Cause you know, that's a throwback that I get, like somebody literally said to me the other day.

Oh, well I saw you doing this video where you were saying. Singing into a dildo and telling ISEP to suck your deck. And I would, that's so unprofessional. Yes, I did do that by the way. But the reality is, you know, I'm w when I, when I go out and I do something like that, this space in room at leaves for literally everybody in the industry, whether they agree with me and like me or not, or choose to work with grassroots or not is literally irrelevant.

They're actually benefiting from that. I have seen you guys all agree. I think. But the amount of boldness and humor and jokes and shit that is actually in people's at like most people's marketing online. Now the last couple of years after I fucking [00:51:00] started doing that shit, it is really, it's actually shifted people and has created that space.

You know, it's like, well, I'm not going to do that, but I can get away with it. Way more than I thought I could. And that's the thing is the more character, the more you show up, like the more your clients will naturally be attracted to you. So it's like whether you like it or not, it's still creating the space for you to get out there and have more opportunity in your business.

So I'm happy to fucking, I'm happy to take it, you know, take the criticism for people because I know at the end of the day, like you said, Emily is all, all that's doing is creating space for everybody else to come in behind. And I'm done for that. 

Emily Nolan: [00:51:33] Yeah. And what's the point of owning your own business? If you have to have a false identity?

Maggie Christina: [00:51:38] Oh shit. Yeah. 

Emily Nolan: [00:51:40] If you can't be yourself and whatever that self is, like, I don't. CA like that, to me, sounds like the antithesis of success. If I have to manipulate my identity to fit a mold that somebody else has created, that sounds very stressful, actually. 

Maggie Christina: [00:51:56] Yeah. It's way more stressful than singing into a [00:52:00] dildo and being clear.

So I feel fine. I'm okay with that. Anyway. Sorry, ladies. I kind of went off a little bit of a rainbow. 

Kristen Lee: [00:52:08] Good. It's all good. All right. So. Let's wrap this up. So Emily, anything you want to say to a listener out there that's still with us right now? Like what would you like to say to her? 

Emily Nolan: [00:52:19] Um, I think that, I guess what I would say would be to keep your, um, advisory committee, whatever that means to you, small and really, and make sure that it's people that truly have your best interests at.

Part, and as you're expanding, understand that that growth process is going to be uncomfortable, like super, really uncomfortable. Um, but you know, after that chaos is usually something really great. So I guess that's what I'd say. I don't know. It's not good. 

Kristen Lee: [00:52:53] It's good. Maggie, Maggie, what would you say. 

Maggie Christina: [00:52:56] Yeah, I'll piggyback off of Emily A.

Little bit. It's like, keep your [00:53:00] counsels small, but don't keep yourself small, you know, like be careful with who you surround yourself with and make sure like you, you reach out to people, you know, people that are been there done that. And there's really not a whole lots. So be very careful about who you select, you know, and.

Don't give up. I think presser virulence, you know, we've got one of our clients that's been with us for years and she's turned it into one of our strongest dog trainers, um, and the group, and she's so humble and it's almost like she doesn't realize it. And the thing that I've been plugging away with her on forever is she's got this presser bearance, that's unmatched and it's such a critical tool, you know, like we all, I think women also struggle a lot with imposter syndrome.

That's one thing that we didn't. Bring up today. Um, and I think, you know, learning to move through that stuff and just don't, don't give up, have preservations man, like, you know, you can guarantee to yourself that no matter what you're doing from day to day, you're going to show [00:54:00] up as the best version of yourself.

And like, that's all you can guarantee. So. Just, yeah, 

Emily Nolan: [00:54:06] I want to add something there too. Can 

Kristen Lee: [00:54:08] I ask? We still have time. 

Emily Nolan: [00:54:10] Okay. No, that's really important too. And I didn't talk about this, but secretly I smile a little bit when people underestimate me and I really like it. So I think that that's not spoken about very often, but if you can figure out a way to like, shift that.

Little paper cut that we talked about into something that actually is motivating. Like, dang, you're really fucking working with something because I like it a little bit when people underestimate me and then I'm in that space of like, okay, cool. And now I'm just going to add that into more of the fire that fuels me continuing to move my life forward.

Um, so you can flip it and maybe make the choice to do that. Someone in my early twenties, a partner of mine, uh, was really. That he kind of introduced the word mental fortitude to me at that time, which I think was really significant for [00:55:00] the course of my twenties. And, um, I would like kind of go back to that phrase a lot, like having mental fortitude through situations.

And I think that that was a big part of what got me here. Like what you're saying with resilience or was that the word you said 

Maggie Christina: [00:55:14] also that no presser Barron's experience. 

Emily Nolan: [00:55:17] Yeah, 

Maggie Christina: [00:55:18] yeah. Yeah. Cause it's look, you could work a 40 hour work week. In a job or in your business and not really maybe applying yourself, or you could work your 40 hours plus on whatever consistently over a period of time and really apply yourself, really keep focused and the level of quality and achievement that you're going to do, that you're going to make it going to be incredible.

And it's just keeping that steady flow when everything feels like it's going wrong, or you're getting mixed messages or you're unsure about yourself or whatever it's popping up. Cause it's fucking going to. Right. And I think that's the key is like the further up the ladder you get the follower or the, the higher, the fault is what it feels like.

Right. So like you gotta just [00:56:00] slowly rung by rung. Just continue your journey. Like, yes, sometimes we need to stop and rest, but don't go back down. Just keep going. Yeah, and this is why your counsel is so critical. I feel like we all keep naturally coming back to this and your support system and where you're at, because you know you, how you are talked to when you're on that ladder.

So to speak. W can make or bake break people. Like I used to, when I told you guys earlier on in the conversation about like the first time I burned my business and the second time was kind of after that whole, uh, being abandoned on the top of the mountain thing, um, which was also very significant, but.

During that interim, I was doing outdoor ed and I was running ropes courses and learning how to like, facilitate with people and how to create these enriched learning experiences and then teach a variety of stuff. One of which was ropes course stuff. So like, I physically know what it's like to, you know, like literally imagine yourself like climbing up something and you're afraid of Heights and you get stalled [00:57:00] how that facilitator and how your group is talking to you literally make sense.

The entire experience for the person that's feeling stuck. Right. And Kristen, and I know this is what we literally have the word. What is it stuck? Yeah. As a flag in our classrooms. So anytime somebody uses that particular word, it immediately pulls it up for us. Because it's so common to be like, I feel stuck.

It's no different than, than being alone, fucking ropes course, being going to challenge course it's critical and not everybody's an actual facilitator and not everybody's going to get that language down. So again, I feel like it's so critical to make like, be super fucking clear with who your support system is, because yeah, if you want to really nail that presser bearance and that, that w what word did you do you use again, Emily?

Emily Nolan: [00:57:46] Mental fortitude resilience. 

Maggie Christina: [00:57:48] Yeah. The resilience and the mental fortitude and those moments when you're feeling stuck. It's that, again, going back to what Emily was saying, what you hear from other people really does matter. Like you can be super [00:58:00] discerning, but you're not going to be very good at it when you're in that moment of like, ah, what do I do?

And again, the higher up you go, the further it is to fall. So the more critical your support people are, right. Going to be around you. So, and this is why we've also believe in coaching. I'm not doing a pitch here, but like for real, like getting the right people with the right information that knows, and has been through this before with people is so fucking important.

Cause it's your work. Here's what I want to say. In closing, the more successful we become, the more delicate we feel. That's, that's how I've experienced it. At least the more successful I become, the more delicate I feel not just to the outside world, to myself. Included, which is why I think there's so much personal work that has to be done.

And it becomes increasingly more critical, like the quality they used and that's the word, that's what I'm going to leave it with. Quality of people. It's really about the quality of people, Andrew. 

Emily Nolan: [00:58:55] Okay. 

Kristen Lee: [00:58:56] That's a mic drop 

Maggie Christina: [00:58:57] or yeah, 

Kristen Lee: [00:58:58] you can get on the ropes course and [00:59:00] just blaze through it. 

Maggie Christina: [00:59:02] Yeah. Kristin literally that's that?

I did, I did ropes course facilitation with Kristen's group. The very first event she came into with mine and that's what she did. And I was like, Oh, where else does this show up? Kristen has not a crier. I fucking broke Kristen on the first event. And here we are though. Here we are. 

Kristen Lee: [00:59:23] Yeah. 

Maggie Christina: [00:59:24] Exactly by the way we gotta do more.

We gotta, I gotta, I gotta get all these dog trainers doing ropes courses with their clients. People are like, wait, let with dogs without dogs. We'll talk about that later. 

Kristen Lee: [00:59:35] I'm done, 

Maggie Christina: [00:59:38] man. 

Kristen Lee: [00:59:38] It's real ladies. Thank you so much. 

Maggie Christina: [00:59:42] How yet? Thank you for joining us, everybody, but especially Emily. I want to thank you because you have that.

And so as Kristen, both of you guys have been. You know, part of my, my network of people and I just, you know, for everybody listening, like. This is a result of us also practicing what we're preaching today too. Like we're here [01:00:00] because of these things. So I really, from a personal level, I want to thank you ladies, because I would not be sitting here still, if it weren't for you guys.

Cause it's been, you know, success is challenging. It is challenging. So I appreciate you ladies. Thank you for sharing it through this one. Yeah. You guys look forward to hearing back from everybody 

Kristen Lee: [01:00:23] you guys later. Thank you. Bye 

Emily Nolan: [01:00:24] bye. 

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