In this episode of The Mind Your Own Dog Business, Kristen has the honor to sit down and connect again with the amazing Mahogany Gamble of Infinite K9 in the Bay Area of California.
Mahogany is a world-renowned pet and sport dog trainer, highly respected inside and outside the dog world, and a sought-after dog trainer mentor. Mahogany also works with Grassroots Dog Biz School leading our dog training/handling skills programs, teaching our students the art of facilitation with dog training programs, and developing something that the world hasn't seen before when it comes to raising the standards of training and program design.
Mahogany and Kristen chat about her upcoming interview series, Legacy of Dog Trainer series, where Mahogany will be interviewing some of the world's best dog trainers, focusing on women and BIPOC dog trainers.
Mahogany shares her inspiration for why this is such an important series, what types of trainers and other dog business owners will be on, the topics, and much more.
If you're a dog trainer, dog walker, pet-sitter, or anyone in the pet dog industry, you'll want to make sure you tune in and listen to Mahogany's Legacy of Trainers.
How To Connect With Mahogany Gamble:
Listen to the FIRST EPISODE of Legacy Dog Trainers here!
Infinite K9 Website
Email: mahogany@infinitek9.com
Links:
Check out more episodes of Mind Your Own Dog Business
Connect with Kristen & Grassroots:
Online: www.dogbizschool.com
Instagram: @dogwalkercoach
In this episode of The Mind Your Own Dog Business, Kristen has the honor to sit down and connect again with the amazing Mahogany Gamble of Infinite K9 in the Bay Area of California.
Mahogany is a world-renowned pet and sport dog trainer, highly respected inside and outside the dog world, and a sought-after dog trainer mentor. Mahogany also works with Grassroots Dog Biz School leading our dog training/handling skills programs, teaching our students the art of facilitation with dog training programs, and developing something that the world hasn't seen before when it comes to raising the standards of training and program design.
Mahogany and Kristen chat about her upcoming interview series, Legacy of Dog Trainer series, where Mahogany will be interviewing some of the world's best dog trainers, focusing on women and BIPOC dog trainers.
Mahogany shares her inspiration for why this is such an important series, what types of trainers and other dog business owners will be on, the topics, and much more.
If you're a dog trainer, dog walker, pet-sitter, or anyone in the pet dog industry, you'll want to make sure you tune in and listen to Mahogany's Legacy of Trainers.
How To Connect With Mahogany Gamble:
Listen to the FIRST EPISODE of Legacy Dog Trainers here!
Infinite K9 Website
Email: mahogany@infinitek9.com
Links:
Check out more episodes of Mind Your Own Dog Business
Connect with Kristen & Grassroots:
Online: www.dogbizschool.com
Instagram: @dogwalkercoach
You're listening to the mind, your own dog business podcast. I'm your host leading expert in dog business. Strategic Kristen Lee guys. Get ready for your journey, your journey to cutting edge marketing and sales, creating a standout kick ass dog business grant, along with mastering your mindset. That's going to smash. All of this glass ceilings that have been holding you back and catapult your dog business to the next level with actionable steps, you can take right away. We're going to empower you. We're going to grow you as you step into your authentic self. Not only as a dog trainer, dog Walker, or what ever slice the pet industry, you find yourself in. But as that bad-ass entrepreneur, my mission is to disrupt the current norm. Cut through the noise, cut through the bullshit and empower the incredible women of the dog business industry to step into the spotlight, reclaim control and transform not only in their businesses, but their lives. It's real. It's raw. It's uncensored. And it's what this dog business industry needs. Let's do this guys. Okay, welcome to today's episode of the major, own dog biz podcast. Guys. I have one of the all time favorite guests ever on the, my drone dog is podcast mahogany gamble and mahogany. I think I've mentioned this before. Mahogany is officially a coach with grassroots. She is going to be teaching that dog training skills, handling skills and sh. I'm also excited too, because she isn't overall bad-ass when it comes to business. And just somebody again, that we honor, that we love, that we respect and super excited to have her part of the team. But besides that, she's not here about to talk about what she does with grassroots. That's totally different. Um, but she's here to talk a little bit about. Women in dog training and having those conversations and opening up those conversations and sharing platforms. So we can all talk about just women in the industry, because it's been such a topic over the last couple of months, Hockney being the leader that she is, went and started something super exciting and new. And she wants to tell everybody here, so you guys can all tune in and have those conversations do so. Welcome mahogany. Thank you for coming back to my German dog. This. Thank you, Kristin ha always happy to be here and chat with you. Yay. So mahogany let's just get right into it. Cool. So tell me about what the hell is going on with this whole legacy dog trainers. I want to say what the hell is going on like infestation, but like give us a lowdown. Give us the what's fucking going on with this. I saw the first interview yesterday. I was hell impressed on it, but tell me like what drove you to do this and what exactly are you freaking doing? Cool. Yeah. So, um, I've just started a series. Um, like you said, it's called legacy of trainers and, uh, I think a few people know that, um, you know, weeks back, uh, Larry crone, who's a dog trainer. Who's got a, you know, very well known, uh, YouTube channel. Uh, asked me to be on a podcast and he wanted to mostly, yeah. Talk about racism in the dog training industry. It was a really. Uh, it was a great conversation that we had, um, lots of viewers and immediately afterwards, actually I think, you know, kind of starting when we were still on the call, I started to get tons of messages and over the course of, you know, I dunno at least two weeks, um, while people were still catching up and watching it, I got messages from over a hundred women trainers. And most of those trainers just wanted to introduce themselves. Um, but as we were, you know, as I responded to them and as we were having these, you know, these little chats back and forth, what I realized was that they were all seeking support and a lot of them started to express that they don't. They don't know other women trainers or they don't have, you know, uh, female mentors. They don't see a lot of women represented, um, in the industry. You know, if you look at, uh, actually, if you just search, you know, videos from dog trainers, the vast majority of videos that will show up are videos from men. And, uh, and I, I started to feel this overwhelming sense of, you know, wow. These women trainers, they really need to see other women out there. And so that's why I decided to start this video series. I will have, um, you know, some, some men on the series from time to time, but I. What I'm mostly wanting to do is, you know, first informal, most highlight women trainers. So that people can see them and hear them and no what they're about and what they're doing. Uh, yeah. And also, you know, just so that they can, can see the kinds of, of real struggles that women trainers go through and face and see how they overcome them. Uh, I also want to, um, You know, use that platform to represent, um, and to give space to trainers who feel that they are in marginalized communities. And, um, so that might be, you know, trainers of color, LGBTQ trainers, um, you know, trainers who are, uh, you know, otherwise feel like they don't have a platform or they don't have space. So, um, yeah, that's kinda where it came from. Yeah, well, naturally to mahogany. One thing that I, it makes sense. Everybody's so excited around that you're doing, this is you're a natural leader, right? So for you to start being like, okay, cool. You know, we've spoken about sexism. We spoke about racism. We spoke about sexism. Naturally people gravitate towards you because you are a leader. So for you to open up your platform and start sharing these stories, that's incredibly powerful. So hell yeah. Yes. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, yes, bitch. Yes. I'm not going to go, but you know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Yeah. So what made you decide. And we've talked about this before you kind of hit on it already. What made you decide enough is enough? It's time to put women in the spotlight because here's the deal. And this is something that I, you mentioned several times and we've talked about before. Is the doctor. Any industry is heavily dominated by women, women like on the inside, like internal, but on the extra internal, it's mostly dominated by the male counterparts. The ones that are really putting themselves out there, the ones that are looked to for leadership like that 20%, what made you decide that was like, Hey, now time that we need to start highlighting women and other marginalized communities. To have their spotlight and to share it, share the stories. Was there like a certain time, this has just been kind of brewing forthcoming with you. You know, it's been brewing for a long time. Um, I know some people, people, well, actually I don't share that much openly, but, um, one of my, um, mentors who, you know, is also, uh, a very, very good friend of mine while she has since passed away. Uh, but she, you know, was. Just instill is one of the most important people in my life for a variety of reasons. And, uh, as I got to know her, I got to know her story and she was this incredible, incredible trainer. I mean, unbelievable could train a dog to do anything. Um, she, her represent reputation, proceeded her. She, uh, was. Hugely accomplished. I mean, definitely one of the most accomplished sport trainers, um, in the country and, uh, and a very accomplished pet dog trainer as well. And she had opportunities when she was younger. To teach several men, several male trainers. Actually, they weren't even trainers at the time they were still learning about training and she taught them quite a bit. And, um, a few of these men took what they learned from her and they turned it into a huge, huge. Businesses schools, um, you know, trainings, the systems and they put their names on them and, uh, didn't offer her any credits. And, uh, so learning about that. Was huge for me, it was sort of my first window into the fact that this happens actually quite commonly in this industry. And after learning about, you know, what happened with Lisa, I started to hear about those things happening with other women, um, you know, women who had their own systems, but they never took them out and popularize them. Um, you know, there are women trainers who have. For decades, you know, refined their systems. And, uh, and then one, you know, um, What's what's the word, uh, you know, one sort of outgoing, you know, male trainer goes and learns and not even the entire system. Right. They learn pieces of the system and then they put it out there as though it's theirs. They typically do not give any credit to the women that they learned. Those. Uh, those, you know, systems and training tools from, and, um, and then they become basically, you know, famous for, uh, for doing that. So I've been learning about this for years and years and, um, And I've one often wondered why, you know, why is it that women don't put themselves out there more? And I think there are a lot of reasons and we don't necessarily need to get into them today. But, um, but under, you know, it was just seeing that, that, that, that is actually very common pattern within the dog training industry. Um, you know, I've been thinking about. Doing something like this for a long time. I'm the kind of person that once I hear from people directly that they need support, you know, people have been telling me for years, uh, Maggie, you, you know, other folks at grassroots included have been telling me, you know, women trainers need support, but for me, um, it really wasn't until those women came. To me and said themselves, you know, in their own way is of course that they need support. That was enough for me to be like, okay, just like you said, like enough is enough. Like now, you know, they're, they're speaking gang and telling me that they need this support. So, so, um, you know, sometimes I, I wish. It didn't have to come to that, you know, but, uh, it's hard for me to put myself out there. Right. So, you know, if another, um, you know, influencer or leader says like, you know, like you are Maggie says, Hey, these women need support for whatever reason it doesn't. Um, it doesn't. Push me enough to push through my own insecurities and my own shit, you know, to actually we make something happen. But once I heard from all those women directly, I was like, mahogany, just like you got to get through your own shit and you have to make this happen because you know, now that people are telling you, like, yeah, we really do need support. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's the whole thing too. It's that, you know, Maggie's been talking about this for years and I remember, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to say, I'm going to go back to New Zealand whenever you're in the pockets. I'm like we're calling back to New Zealand. I remember that conversation. We had that one day in that living room and we were talking about Lisa and. The whole, the whole thing that happened with the person that kind of ran it will ran with her idea. It didn't kind of run with her idea, but ran with idea and became variable famous. And I remember directly Maggie talking about like, you need to start sharing that. So we need to start like systemize, not systemizing it, but having this conversation. And it was like, Okay. And now again, it's like, okay, it's coming back to the whole, you know, reluctant leadership of having these conversations. Right? So it's, it's one thing I want to say. It's stupid, hard to have these conversations when you know, they're out there, but until somebody is like knocking at your door, like, Hey, mahogany, help now. It's like, It's like, okay, now I gotta do it. Right. So no on that at all. It's a, we all have to have this breakthroughs and I'm glad you had the, because you having that breakthrough is going to allow a lot of women and a lot of marginalized community to be able to tell their stories and have those conversations. So good on you, mahogany like huge. It's huge. I'm so glad you're doing it. Thank you now, something I actually want to, I want to talk about this very lightly and I feel like this is a, been a topic because listen, I've been doing a lot of conversations in the last week with a whole bunch of different women in industry, from people that are pet biz, brand ambassadors, to someone like you and the whole flavor lately. And I just keep fucking seeing it. I even talked to Amy about this this week, too. Coach are you me? Is women have not wanted to put themselves out there lately. And even at a keynote? I did. Yeah. Yesterday we were talking about, you know, being bolder, even at grassroots last week, we're like, Hey guys, we got to get bolder. What are your thoughts around? And you can use your personal anecdotal experience or share a story or something you've seen, but why do you feel like. Especially women in dog training, no matter what type of dog trainer or whether yeah. They're, you know, I Pecko too. Although you do being sport, dog trainers, why do you feel that women are putting themselves out there? Mahogany? Well, I think there are, are a number of reasons. I mean, I think, you know, there are a lot of personal internal reasons, right? So, you know, we've we've, as women had a lot of pressure put on us by a society, um, to be perfect, to look perfect. Perfect. And a lot of women are concerned that if they don't. You know, if they don't feel perfect, if they don't look perfect, if something isn't going to appear perfect that they don't want to put it out there for others to see. I, and I think that there. It's also, um, well, there are also challenges when you do put things out there. You know, back when I used to be in dog training forums and groups on Facebook, I would, I had my own experiences where, you know, I would write something. I would answer a question on a post. And I'd have people bashing my response left and right. And a man, a male trainer would come on and say essentially the same thing. Sometimes almost word for word, like, you know, it was kind of ridiculous and people would be praising him. So I think that a lot of times when women do put themselves out there, they experience that of response and it's discouraging and, and, you know, you have to be a very resilient person, too. Uh, in order to just accept those things and move on. And, you know, I either have to either be very resilient or not care. Right. And I feel like there are a lot of men who don't care. I mean, even Larry himself was, was saying on the call that we did together. You know, he's like, I just don't care. He's like I just block and delete. And that stuff kind of bounces off of him. Um, I find that. That is a little bit harder for women not to be resilient. You know, there are many, many resilient women, um, but I think it's harder for us, um, to, you know, take that kind of abuse. Right. It's abusive, um, to take that kind of abuse and be able to move forward, I think is a little. I think it can be a little challenging. So, um, you know, I think there are, I think there are personal, you know, individual hurdles and then I think sometimes the responses that women get from the community, um, even if from other women, yeah. You know, there's a lot of, yeah. Of, um, fighting and jealousy and snarkiness between women. Um, and it's one thing that I'm. I'm personally very careful about is, um, you know, even if I disagree with something, a woman says I'm, I'm going to be very respectful. I mean, I think that's only right anyway. Um, but I never want to give feedback or something that, that I feel is gonna, you know, or that I just learned is going to discourage a woman from putting themselves out there again. And sometimes I just make that stuff private. Right. So if I do see a video of a woman trainer, and it looks like she's doing something that's, you know, maybe unfair. So the dog, this is just an example. Um, and I feel like, well, you know, this trainer probably learned from someone who, you know, whose training hasn't evolved and, um, and maybe they just don't know. Well, I'm not going to sit there and blast them publicly here. Right. I'm going to, you know, maybe reach out privately and give some feedback. So, you know, I think, I think women just, I think so much of it is, um, is a result of the kinds of pressures that we. Receive, you know, for decades, right? If someone's 20 or 30 years old, they've, they've gotten two or three decades worth, Oh, it's this pressure from society that, you know, unless it's perfect. It's not, um, yeah. I think too, there's, there's so much to talk about this. I don't want to make this, the whole conversation because this is such an important conversation to continue having, not just because it's a topic that's right in the front of everybody right now. But I feel like a lot of the stuff I've seen thrown at women is very personalized around it. Yeah. And it's weaponized around it too. So for you to go and be like, Hey, I'm going to give her constructive objective non-emotional feedback around her training. That's like, Hey, you know, just, you know, I'm throwing it out here versus just publicly destroying somebody is a huge thing. And like, I've seen this. I remember watching there was a dog trainer, female dog trainer, and she got a spot on the news, like a morning show and she had an Eagle on the dog and she was talking about E collars. And you know, it's not a discussion we want, we're going to have here now, but. There was two direct things. I noticed. One was the conversation around the color, which I understand people get very emotional by the way, mahogany that post you did was fad fucking tastic. You get in the show notes by the way. Thank you. But the other thing around it, wasn't just the training style, but it was the way she was dressed to be on the morning show. And she's like, Oh my God, somebody didn't hire a stylist. Oh my God. She was amazing. Like, wait, what? Like what? Like, hello. And I've seen that so much, like just being paid it's apart at a macro and micro level then versus like somebody being just judged on their training or the handling skills. So yeah. It's yeah. Interesting. It's very interesting. The whole perfect picture. I mean, even like, if you look at like the vice president debate this week, like look at the fucking thing that Kamala had to do, just so she wouldn't have anything weaponized against her. You know what I mean? Right. I want to talk about this more ever. I mean, we can spend all night here. Um, Topics. So what kind of topics are you guys gonna be chatting about on the legacy of Donald Trump? Yeah. Um, that's a good question. And it's something that I've been thinking about a lot, you know, the, the folks that I bring on are going to have varied experiences and I think, um, we're. What I, what I did notice from the call with Larry, cause I was, I was trying to keep up with people's comments as much as possible. And I noticed a lot of the comments from women were very, um, you know, um, expressing a lot of curiosity about training styles and methodology, um, mentors. You know how people became trainers. So those are things I want to delve into because I think, uh, up and coming trainers and even, you know, people who were already working as trainers, they have a natural curiosity about that stuff. And then, um, if a trainer. Uh, you know, it does something like, like we started, uh, last night with Stephanie O'Brien and Stephanie O'Brian is, she does a lot, she has a tremendous history and ring sports. Uh, we didn't really get into it, but she's won championships and, you know, she's. It's got an incredible amount of experience there and she's, she's also a breeder. So we were able to touch on, you know, some of the sports experiences and then also some of her experiences as a breeder. And, um, and I think that if we can take the things that, you know, a trainer is really good at, uh, for example, one trainer. I reached out to, uh, that hopefully we'll do an upcoming call with. She does a lot of color work and, and, um, and it's different from me. Do you work with the colors, but I don't do a lot of color work, but this particular trainer does. So I think we can get into more discussions about that. Um, you know, and I, I think. A lot of things are anything around training, um, will be, will be really interesting for the people tuning in. So, um, you know, it's going to be, it's definitely going to be pretty varied. That's awesome. I love it. So what types of trainers are you going to have? Are you going to have veterans? You're going to have people just from all of like the whole aspect of the training spectrum. I would like to say so like we're like veterans and like people that were like bring sports to people that are like, you know, just starting out kind of style train class trainer. Tell me about the type of trainers you're going to have on, or you hope to have on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the trainers that I I'm trying to step out of my own circles. So that's the big thing, because my initial list of trainers were all trainers from California. Yeah. You know, just people that I know really well, and I know how they'll. Present themselves. And I, and I have a lot of information about them. Um, and I know how to introduce them and, you know, then I was like, Oh man, mahogany, you got, you've got to step out of this. So, um, so I'm looking at, uh, yeah, I mean really all kinds of trainers. I don't. I don't personally have a lot of contacts, um, or that I know of, you know, I actually do have a lot of contacts, so I probably need to just reach out more, but, um, trainers that do classes and things like that are, um, Are probably among the groups that I am the least aware of. Um, but it doesn't mean I don't, I don't know those people, I just don't know them as well. Right. So, um, you know, breeders people that do, um, sports of, of some kind, not necessarily rings for, you know, sometimes AKC sports or hurting sports. Um, those are the people that are the most within my, uh, community. So I'm going to, um, you know, there will definitely be some of those folks, uh, definitely a lot, a lot, a lot of pet dog trainers. Um, and in fact, everybody that is on my list right now, trans pet dogs, and then they, you know, might also do something else. Um, I am also really interested in, uh, and I haven't said anything yet, but I'm definitely interested in having. Some grassroots folks on. Um, yeah, because I think it's important to get, you know, business perspectives, um, and, uh, you know, and marketing perspectives. Cause those are the areas where like, you know, Maggie always says, and you always say those are the areas where people don't want to put that much attention into their business, but maybe. Yeah. So, um, you know, so I'm definitely going to, uh, um, you know, going to be reaching out to some of you guys too. So I, you know, it'll be varied. I mean, I think that one of the thing in one thing I realized when I was stepping into training, actually not when I was stepping into training, when I was stepping into pet dog training, I thought that's all there was. I didn't realize that it was this whole world of sports and this whole world of breeding. And, you know, we're in this society where everything, all the messaging is adopt don't shop and, you know, and, um, you know, people who breed dogs are evil. And, uh, and then, you know, nobody really knows about sports unless you have somebody, the one that, that you're connected to that participates. So I, for me, you know, just showing, uh, trainers out there that there's this whole wide world, you know, and even if they're, it's not to, you know, encourage people to get involved in new things necessarily, but just so that they know there are so many other resources, um, and there are so many other avenues that, you know, might peak your interest and might be something that, you know, inspires you. Even more as a pet dog trainer. Right? So that's the experience I had is the sports inspired me more as a pet dog trainer. And there's a lot for a lot of people, pet dog training can become, um, it can become a. Challenging because we are, we are asked by clients and we are asked by society to, um, to, uh, trying to figure out what I'm trying to say here. We're, we're asked to produce. Results that are unrealistic. Um, you know, we're asked to, we're tasked with, um, doing things that clients don't want to do themselves. And, um, and sometimes the, sometimes it becomes, um, kind of rote and. I think that it's important to be able to draw inspiration from somewhere. So sometimes that's, you know, pet dog trainers that are trying new things. Um, sometimes that's, you know, figuring out how something that's. Used in sports can apply to your pet dog business. Um, you know, sometimes it's just learning it. Sometimes it's just learning something new and different, even if it doesn't directly apply, but, but it keeps our, you know, um, our appetite or our thirst for learning more about, you know, all things dog. It keeps that. You know, very active and that's all inspiration that we can then put back into our dog training business. So, um, yeah. Gosh, I don't know how I got there. No, no, it's actually really good too. And what's really interesting is, you know, my dog passed the summer and we're actually, we're actually in the process of potentially. Getting a dog from a really well known breeder. You, you know him pretty much Ryan, and he's going to have one of those. I like to call it the unicorn letters of the exact thing, what I would be looking for. And I'm not a trainer, but something that I plan to dive into. And of course, I'll be going to you for, this is looking at sports. I can deal with the dog too different functional edge. So, yeah, and I mean, it's, it's going to be a Labrador. It's going to be working Labrador, but yeah. And by the way I can mahogany personal note here. I cannot wait the day that you meet Frank and you humble his ass with fucking business. I cannot wait for that day until you broke him up into a bite suit and you have being skull after him, please. That's hilarious. I love to. I cannot wait. I'm going to like ship him out to you one day and be like humble him please. Yes. Anytime, anytime I love sticking new people in a bite suit and, and seeing if they can stay upright, even if, if I'm like, Oh my God, I would pay for half stop. Stop. Just come out here and just do it again. But that's the thing too. It's, you know, one thing I've noticed is sports, is that it, it does, it translates very well into handling skills and bringing that next dimension of your learning experience. So, so why should everyone buddy be listening to these interviews? Mahogany? Why should all the women here, all the men, why should the men that listened to here should be listening to these incredible women that you're going to be talking to? I think to give, you know, for everything we talked about today to give different perspectives, um, you know, to understand, I think for men to listen would be incredible because they, you know, sometimes I think men are unaware of the little things that, um, they might do that. Affect a woman's, you know, confidence or, um, or their, you know, willingness to put themselves out there. And I, you know, I really do believe that a lot of men want to support women. And sometimes there are little things that, uh, that, that men do that, uh, that are discouraging to women, but the men don't realize it. And sometimes, you know, people don't realize, and this is, you know, regardless of, um, you know, man woman. You know, age, race, you know, and regardless of any of that, sometimes we do things to people or we say things to people without realizing the longterm. And one of the stories that Stephanie shared yesterday was a really, really good example. She talked about, um, how she worked for years and years and years to get her decoy certification. And she actually, the first time she tried to do it. I think she said it was in 2006 or something. And, uh, she broke her leg the day before, um, uh, or a dog broke her leg, fractured her leg the day before. So she didn't try again for five years. And in that span of time, she was training. She was getting a lot of practice. And then she tried again in 2011 and she did a really wonderful job. And the judge, uh, you know, Basically said I'm not gonna eat, you know, even though she had passed, he said, I'm not going to certify you because if you get hurt, it's on me. It's the most, you know, he probably was somewhat well-meaning. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Maybe his brain, his brain. Yeah, exactly. Um, but that's. I mean, she had worked really hard and I know Stephanie very well. Well, when she works hard at something, like she puts everything into it and that's something that that's an experience that still. Haunts her really, you know, it's 2020. So, you know, that's, I mean, a decade later that she's still talking about that and it still hurts her and it's stills and it still sticks in her mind as a really sour experience. And I think that, you know, sometimes we do things like that. To, um, to other trainers, you know, to one another. And we don't recognize the kind of longterm effects that it can have on people. So I think, um, you know, I think it's, this will be good to just offer people different perspectives too. You know, it's not this whole series isn't going to be about traumas or, um, it's not going to be about that, but I think it is going to allow for more connection. Um, it's going to allow for more, um, you know, it's going to, my hope is that we set this platform for more support for one another. Um, Stephanie and I also touched on the fact that a lot of trainers are so busy fighting with each other, that we are unaware of. The things that are happening to the industry, right? So there's a lot of legislation coming down the pike. Um, the animal rights activists are trying to very hard to change and, you know, create standards of training that trainers probably wouldn't agree with. And because we're so busy fighting with each other, these things are happening with, without our input, without our awareness. So, so, you know, hopefully this series will really get all of us looking in the same direction. And, um, as far as where our industry needs to go. And, you know, and, and gets us supporting each other in moving in that direction. Um, I'd really like to take, I mean, even though Stephanie did share that experience, um, you know, the negative experience she had, she was very, um, kind of kind and gentle as far as, you know, not sharing who the judge was that made that call. You know, she didn't want it to be about, um, Being upset with someone or holding on to, you know, some disgruntlement, like it wasn't like that at all. She was sharing that experience and hopes to, you know, inspire women that, yeah. Even though we might go through, you know, some terribly sexist experiences, you can still keep moving forward. So, you know, I, I mean, I think that there's. I think there's a lot to be gained from it. The conversations are going to be really good. And again, like, you know, my whole, everything I want to do is about uniting people and supporting people. So, you know, if that is what comes out of this series, then, um, then you know, I've, I've done my job. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, fuck. Yeah. Where can people tune in to listen to these and participate, or just watch the recordings? So they're on Facebook. They'll be on my personal profile, um, which is under my name, mahogany gamble. And then I also have a business page where they're posted. So when I do the live stream, their streams to both places and, uh, and they'll, you know, the recordings will, will live in both places and hopefully I'll have one other area where. Where those things can sit. I'm still working that out. And I'll talk to you about that a little bit more too, you know what, you know, what I want to do with that? Yeah. So we'll, so we'll work that stuff out and then, um, you know, and, and we'll have more, another, another place for that. So, yeah. Well, you know, it's, it's open the offers. Okay. Awesome. All alright, mahogany and what I'll do too, for all the listeners out here in the show notes, whatever platform you're listening to, Spotify, uh, Apple, all you gotta do is click the links and I'll bring you right to mahogany his Facebook page. And even if you don't have Facebook guys, Just do the mobile Facebook and just listen to it. Cause I actually got rid of Facebook on my phone too, so it's pretty dope. Um, but make sure you go listen to this. It's going to be a game changer. We had a whole conversation around it weeks and weeks ago. I'm excited. Grassroots is excited. I know there's a whole industry of women that are super excited to hear this. And you know, on behalf of it, Everybody mahogany, thank you for doing this. And, you know, stepping forward into that leadership role and to start building those communities. Cause I know how much community is to you and, you know, bridging people and uniting people for not just for selfish purposes, but for the greater good of, like you said legacy because none of the day, like if you don't have fucking legacy, if women don't have legacy, it's incredible. And I also want to put this here too, and this is okay. I hope this okay. Is saying thank you for honoring Lisa's legacy by doing this. I think that's incredible. Thank you for saying that. Yeah. I would love, love one day for you to come on and share your story about Lisa from everything I've heard from you. And you've shared, like she was such a powerful person and by you doing this is just letting her legacy live on. I mean, I know she's living on with you, but it's, it's amazing. It's incredible. So thank you. Awesome. All right. Mahogany will. Thank you so much for joining us today. I'm sure this is not going to be the end of it. Um, but yeah, I'm going to put all the notes and everything where people can hook up with you. And thank you again, mahogany. I know it's been a crazy week, so I appreciate you coming on. Thank you, mahogany. Thank you. I'll talk to you soon. Alright. Bye bye. Hey there, thank you for listening to another bad-ass episode of mind, Euro dog business. If you haven't already subscribed. What are you waiting for? Oh my God. Go and subscribe now. So you don't miss out on any of our content pack, dog business jam sessions, plus special offers that I'm gonna only be sharing with my amazing dog business entrepreneurial podcast listeners. 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