Titans Sports Academy, owned by Chance Beam, made Two-Brain’s Top 10 leaderboard for revenue in January 2024. Each gym in the top 10 brought in over US$50,000, and the top gym grossed over $125,000!
Chance has been in business for over 20 years, and his program has propelled several athletes into Major League Baseball. In fact, seven of his former players are in the big leagues right now, including World Series champion Nathaniel Lowe of the Texas Rangers.
In this episode of “Run a Profitable Gym,” host Mike Warkentin sits down with Chance, who shares revenue-boosting strategies that can work in any type of gym.
Chance’s main piece of advice? Look for opportunities to service your clients’ needs. Whether that’s through apparel sales, personal training or something else, solve problems for your customers.
In return, they’ll stay with you longer and spend more, boosting your length of engagement (LEG), average revenue per member (ARM) and lifetime value (LTV).
Listen to Chance break down problem solving in the gym business, and don’t miss his practical ideas for boosting revenue in your gym.
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0:46 - Revenue stream breakdown
4:36 - Sports training academy
10:31 - The great accident
19:35 - What’s your main focus?
23:04 - Rocket-ship moment
Titans Sports Academy, owned by Chance Beam, made Two-Brain’s Top 10 leaderboard for revenue in January 2024. Each gym in the top 10 brought in over US$50,000, and the top gym grossed over $125,000!
Chance has been in business for over 20 years, and his program has propelled several athletes into Major League Baseball. In fact, seven of his former players are in the big leagues right now, including World Series champion Nathaniel Lowe of the Texas Rangers.
In this episode of “Run a Profitable Gym,” host Mike Warkentin sits down with Chance, who shares revenue-boosting strategies that can work in any type of gym.
Chance’s main piece of advice? Look for opportunities to service your clients’ needs. Whether that’s through apparel sales, personal training or something else, solve problems for your customers.
In return, they’ll stay with you longer and spend more, boosting your length of engagement (LEG), average revenue per member (ARM) and lifetime value (LTV).
Listen to Chance break down problem solving in the gym business, and don’t miss his practical ideas for boosting revenue in your gym.
Links
Gym Owners United
Book a Call
0:46 - Revenue stream breakdown
4:36 - Sports training academy
10:31 - The great accident
19:35 - What’s your main focus?
23:04 - Rocket-ship moment
Big gross revenue in gyms. What's the secret you're gonna find out today? This is Run a Profitable Gym . I'm your host Mike Warrington. My guest today, he's gonna open the vault and tell you how he earned a spot on our top 10 leaderboard for gross revenue in January, 2024. Chance Beam, welcome to the show. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2:Absolutely, thanks. I'm excited to be here and uh , thanks for having me.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to talk about it. No , so you've got a whole bunch of stuff going on. Titans Sports Academy in Kennesaw, Georgia is just one thing, but your, your operation pulls in upwards of 80 grand per month gross. And you've got all sorts of other stuff going on. So we're gonna dig in and talk about these numbers and see if we can help gym owners. Are you ready to go?
Speaker 2:Absolutely happy to .
Speaker 1:Alright, so let's start here. Give me a breakdown, any percentages or numbers you're willing to throw at me just for revenue streams in your gym. Like what goes into this number that's bigger than 80 grand?
Speaker 2:Alright , and so one of the things I like to really think about is, and so in kind of preparing for this call and and thinking about it, is that our revenue streams are membership. We have lessons, which is private lessons, which would be considered PT in the gym world. We have camps which would be considered kinda like the youth camps. I know some people are doing in the summer. We have apparel sales. Then we also have some upsells for like showcases, which kind of falls under that camp scenario. And so those are probably our five or six revenue streams. And like myself and most gym owners, you're going to have different peaks and valleys of those revenue streams throughout the year and trying to figure out a way to manage those. I think one of the probably have on my side, other than others is I have time. And so what I mean by that is that, so Titan Sports Academy or Titan started back in 2003. They started this full-time, full-time in 2008, 2009 under another organization. Broke off my own in 2013. So the biggest difference I probably have from most is I've now been doing this 10, 11 years under tight Sports Academy. So I can go back and look at 10 years of financials to kind of get an idea of, hey, these are the things that are doing well. These are the things that are not doing well. So for us, like our membership like most people is kind of what puts me to sleep at night lets me know that I can pay the bills. Uh, so our membership has grown and we've done a lot of things over the time to really focus on that. You know, one of the things that um, that coming through True Brain that they, that has been vital during Covid and after Covid is kind of stripping away the emotion of a lot of things. So for example, length of engagement is huge for us. Uh , I talked with you briefly about that yesterday, but length of engagement. So for us, our membership percentage out of eight, 900,000, you know, right at close to a million we may be showing is gonna be right at about 25 to 28% of that total number. So you're looking at about two 50 to 2 80, 2 90 , somewhere in that ballpark as far as the total number of memberships. And then from that, well we're very different. Being a baseball academy that may not apply to some of your other gyms is we'll have about 40% of our stuff is apparel, sales uniforms. Um , mom and dad need a hat. Uh , Jenny down the street has a , uh, cheerleading event. So we ventured into some other things that still fall under our gym. But also my thing is, like last night I was at our gym kind of preparing for this call and I made it a concerted effort to see how many people had our logo. And I would argue that only percent of our people are having our logo on , and that includes parents that are bringing the kids. And so that's something I'm kind of proud of or like when you pull out of a stoplight and you see somebody have like the little magnet that has your , that's still kind of cool to me. Um, but you know, that's something that we really kind of focused on of is really treating our logo and anywhere that we can have that as another opportunity to market to expose people to what we're doing ,
Speaker 1:We're , okay . So that was, if I break it down again, that's about 25% is memberships, you said about 40% is , uh, apparel sales and then the remainder is going to be camps and other things of that nature. Is that correct?
Speaker 2:That's correct. So that's gonna be your college showcases, your Hampshire clinics group classes, things of that nature, you know, all of those kind of bundled in into that category. Also, like for us a little different like cage rentals and some other things. But you may have certain people that have big enough space and I know I've talked to a lot of gym owners and they may have a space in the back, they rent it to a cheer group because they have some turf area or a batting cage or something like that. So that would kind of fall into that category as well.
Speaker 1:So you've covered a little bit of it, but I'll ask you again for like the 62nd summary. Like what is a sports training academy with a focus on baseball? What do you, what are you selling there? What are you doing? And give me some, Chuck me at like some space size , like some sizes and some staff numbers too, if you have 'em .
Speaker 2:Yes. So for example, so I tell people that my, my elevator pitch, if you will, is we train, we train athletes, boys and girls. We want them to be champions in the game and in the , in the game of life. And so our core principles are accountability, responsibility, attitude, effort and integrity. And we talk about those on the daily. And I tell people all the time, that's what we hire on. That's what we fire on. That's how we grow. That's how we decide to contract all of those things. So when I tell someone that, you know, for example, I followed traction very closely is in an EOS book and start how we build our business. You know, I tell , you know, they, they ask you for your guarantee in that book. And, and uh , and I say my word is my bond. If I tell you that I'm gonna do that, you can bet your bottom dollar on that because of that, that's given us. And so they say , well , well why , what makes you different ? We've done it for 20 years and if I've done it for 20 years, that tells me my word has to be good for something. So a framework of who we are. Um, we do baseball training and softball training from eight to 18 . We have roughly 40 teams. Organizationally we have about 440 some odd members. Uh, staff wise , I've really segmented it down to a probably we have , uh, six full-time staff , uh, not including myself. So what we've done using kind of the two brain model of each of those staff members have somewhere between 80 to about 130 players slash members under them. With , in my mind, knowing that in a optimal world I love to get each of those people to about 150, right? That's where, that's kind of a max number, but that's also where they can be the most profitable. They can go deep inside that group for additional group lessons, camps, clinics and things of that nature. And so that's kind of how I've started to segment my business. One of my full-time mat staff members is my apparel guy that runs our store, which is again, very unique. Um, but under that I've got under a Titan Sports Academy. We have baseball and softballs, we have Titans Baseball, we have Wahoo . So , uh, we have Wa Wahoos , which is another brand of baseball. We have Southeast Socks , which is another brand. And um, the Stars Fastpitch brand. So Titan Sports Academy kind of becomes an umbrella. And under there you have four different brands.
Speaker 1:Okay. And what kind of space are we running, are we talking about here?
Speaker 2:So space, space-wise , um, I would tell each and everybody the biggest , uh, scariest part of this whole business is your space. It , it , it can kill you. It could be a , it could be a blessing or a curse. So when it's 2013, I had my , uh, rented a space. It's like most people watching this and I had a large space, 'cause with baseball you need a larger space inside. And I think we had roughly about 11,000 square feet inside. We had a great rental deal, but I was doing the math and I can carry a one and if inflation happened and it was basically I was gonna have to raise rate just to pay rent. And I was like, man, what a terrible world. So I had started looking with a long, like a four or five year window. I , I've gotta have my own space. I gotta be able to secure my , uh, my overhead into perpetuity. So if I raise rates, I'm paying off things or paying myself more. I'm not just paying rent . So I say all this to say that I, our current space that we have is 16,000 square feet inside. It's a two story brick building where when we bought it, we got a crate di we put a second floor in it so that we could have that entire second floor be open. So it's 8,081, it's a 90 by 90 brick building. So 8101st floor, 8102nd floor. Then we also just , uh, December expanded to an outdoor case space with about another 5,000 square feet. And then we also have a , um, mid-sized baseball field behind us. It's a turf, infield, grass outfield.
Speaker 1:Okay. So you've got a big operation that's pretty cool. Have you , uh, what's the highest level you've ever uh , put a player into? Have you seen anybody go into the MLB?
Speaker 2:Yeah. No, we got seven guys in the big leagues right now.
Speaker 1:Oh, he care to drop a name or
Speaker 2:Two? Yeah , so for example , uh, one of my guys is Nathaniel Lowe just won the uh, world Series last year of Texas Rangers first baseman. He played for me. So one of my favorite memories and bear for a second this past year. So Nathaniel's playing first base with the Rangers, they had a former player of mine named Alex Bees , his first rounder. Uh, he comes outta high school and he's like 97 to 99. Uh, he could throw the ball forward very hard. He had no idea where he was going. Fast forward, he's had Tommy John, all these kind of crazy things. And so now he's like 20, 23, 24. I talked to him December just over a year ago and he was in North Carolina doing some baseball stuff. I was like, man, are you sure you're done? He is like, yeah coach, I think I'm done. I'm just gonna start coaching. I was like, you only get one shot at this. So fast forward to last June, in January, a scout had showed up. One of the guys I talked to was like, you gotta , so he had him throw a bullpen. He was still 95, 97 . At 2324. He had thrown him almost a year. He gets him to come to spring training, he starts to figure out he can throw strikes. He makes his big league debut middle of last summer. So I say all this to say this. So when he makes his big league debut, I got a picture of Nathaniel Lowe, Alex Spies , who both played for me. His agent is a guy named Spencer Kebo that also played for me. So I got three guys, two of 'em in their big leagues and his agent all played for me , uh, former player . So it was a pretty cool moment. What
Speaker 1:A cool story that I, I love it . I love hearing about stuff like that. I was looking forward to talking to you 'cause I knew you'd have somebody in the MLB that I could put a Yeah . A face to a name. So that's pretty cool. Yeah . Let's , uh, talk to me a little bit about, so you got some interesting stuff going on. I'm gonna get into this one right now 'cause I know it's a bit of a different one. Talk to me about the apparel thing . So some gyms just sell a few T-shirts on the side. Other gyms I know of sell a lot of equip , uh, you know, apparel like some of these destination locations like Las Vegas, Hawaii, you've got an entire apparel empire going. It actually generates more revenue than your basic memberships. What's going on?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I , uh, I I say that Titans many times is the great accident and many of the things that we've been, that we've failed at and that we've been successful at, I think I was like, don't be afraid of either one of those. 'cause when you start 'em, you never know if they're gonna be a successful failure. But our apparel business literally started out of the frustration of us having teams. And mom would come to me and uh , mom or dad would be like , Hey, I'd love to have a hat, or Hey, I'd love to have a t-shirt and that kind of thing. And, and so it was kind of the experimentation process where I brought another third party company in like many of our people do. And , and like, alright , well I'm gonna have them do it. And the problem was, is that I would have someone else doing the apparel say uniform or spirit wear . They would do it wrong or wouldn't deliver on it . And then I would get yelled at for something that, and I was like, this is crazy. I'm getting yelled at, these are my customers and I'm not making any money off of it. So I gotta re really start to rethink this. So when I was a kid, I'm in , in Atlanta, Georgia, so we're in the south. So when I was a kid we would go to Myrtle Beach or we would go to these redneck where every year or places Myrtle Beach or like Panama City Beach. And you would go to these stores and you would see, alright , I'm um , a , a youth large at the time. And I would look at these wall and they would have like 50 different logos and it may have been air pressed or whatever, but it was like the heat press type of thing. And they would have all these logos. You was like, I want this shirt with number 27. And they would dig back there and put it on there. And I can remember this as a kid and it was like that really thick, heavy vinyl that made you sweat when you put it on. It was terrible. Yeah . Yeah. And so I had this epiphany and so I started calling around to like little people and going like, you're not, there's gotta be a way to do that. And they're like, yeah , it came a long way. It's basically called screen print transfers. And so that's kind of how it started where there's just gotta to be a better way. And because I had a guy that was doing it and we were trying to do a revenue share and he would order all the stuff and get it printed. I felt terrible for him . They would sit, maybe it was the wrong size, maybe the logo the people didn't like or whatever. And I was like, there's just gotta be a better way. So all of that to say that just kind of kept experimenting, kept experimenting. And now it's became a huge part of our business where I've got a full-time employee and some part-time people that help him as well. So it's kind of taken on a life of its own.
Speaker 1:Okay. So many gym owners aren't gonna be able to get into the idea of like large scale apparel manufacturing and printing. But the concept that you're laying out here is super important. Chris Cooper has talked about this forever. It's figuring out how you can solve more problems for your clients and obviously for your business at the same time. So you saw, look, this apparel is just not coming out right? I've had the same problem. It's always printed wrong, everything's wrong and backwards, the sizes are wrong. It I get flack for someone else's mistakes. You are running with teams and sports teams who constantly tons and tons of stuff. So you looked at that and said , how can I solve more problems for my clients? And now it's taking out, it's creating 40% of your gross . So if you're listening out there and you're not into apparel manufacturing, that's fine. But think about are there other problems that I can solve for my clients? And if you find the right ones and solve them properly, you might be able to tack on some revenue. I love it. That's an incredible story. What'd you got for me?
Speaker 2:I wanna add to this, please . And so I think that most people, especially when I'm thinking like when I first started or other they look at your apparel or maybe people having your logo as an expense or a headache, you gotta flip that thought is that is advertising and marketing. So as I said earlier, one of the things that we still do is , um, and when I first started doing this, I can afford it , I'll be honest with you, but those little magnets that you give to all your clients and then I went through a phase where I'm gonna charge 'em for or whatever, no, give those things away. And so the reason why I say that is to say this. So if you're say a micro gym and you've got 50 members, you've got 80, 90 members, the more times than I can get my logo on their back and they're out in public or maybe they're at another gym working out, say for example, I used to be a CrossFit member and now I'm somewhere else and I'm wearing somebody else's logo. Those things start to embed in people's heads . So instead of looking at as an expense, looking at as a , almost put it under a category of a marketing advertisement opportunity. And so, and I think I , if you want me to, I could share kind of how I can take my model and decelerate it down to honestly about 500 to a thousand dollars. You could do this, you know, at any gym really. What's the short version of that? Like how could someone do that? So the short version of this is that somebody somewhere in your gym has a mom or dad, probably a mom, they have a heat press somewhere in their house that they're not using. Yeah . All right . Probably. And you , you can get on Facebook marketplace and you can buy a cheap heat press for two, 300 bucks, you know, at most whatever. Now we have a really nice one 'cause we have a lot more stuff, but you , it doesn't have to be really nice. Get a , get a cheap heat press from there. You wanna get your logo and I'm sure they've got it digitized. And what I would do is I was in your little world, ask your clients, I think if any marketing's a great place, but ask your clients, Hey guys, I wanna offer you guys a T-shirt and we have an event coming up or we've got the open or we've got intramurals or whatever and if you can design me the best T-shirt or the coolest t-shirt, we're gonna take five and then we're gonna vote for 'em. And if you win that, I'll give you a free T-shirt. It's kind of a free way to have them kind of do your marketing for you or just do a basic T-shirt. So what I would do is I would do that little exercise. So I've got one design here, and then I'm gonna have my basic Titan Sports Academy. I'm now going to, I've got my cheap heat press and then I'm going to go to SanMar, SNS. There's tons of cheap T-shirt places online . Your customers know the, the two brand people. They know the , the , the most comfortable cheapest T-shirt is 2, 3, 4 bucks. Go to a place called uh , transfer Express . And I can take that logo and I can literally upload just any kind of digital file in there and it'll digitize it and, and and do it for me for free. And then based off the number of those logos that I order, the price comes down. So for example, if I order 12 of , um, it starts to get a little technical, but you can read between the lines. So for example, in in our world in Gym world, they're gonna wanna , uh, something that's kind of , that's stretchy on a T-shirt that's gonna be moving, think about working out. So it's called Alaska Print , but without getting too technical, you, if you did 12 of those, those prints would cost you, we'll call it a two color , three color . It's gonna cost you 10 or $11. Now if you order 24 of those, it's gonna come down incremental and so on. So I have two logos I put out one that I'm doing a pre-order for our CrossFit help me look better Naked T-shirt. And then the other one is my Titan Sports Academy T-shirt. Okay . Or Titan Titans CrossFit, whatever you wanna call it . And so I do the pre-order and maybe I do it a couple for my, for my coaches. So now it brings those costs down. So say I order that and then I order my Tight Sports Academy, but now I have those logos in hand and I add , you know , buy a couple T-shirts, the ones that are pre-ordered and you know, size run or you know, most of your gyms are gonna know women's medium, women's adult large, you know, your basic sizes that you know, you have a lot of order, a couple of those. So now all in , I may have five or 600 bucks. Now I sell out those T-shirts and if I pay for what I just bought this first time, well I'm even, so now I have 30 or 40 people running around with my, my logo on it. Well that's a win. And now the next time I already had , so each time I do this I could do it a little better. So now I have my Titans CrossFit t-shirt per se , I have that logo. So a new member comes in, I want to give 'em a T-shirt or a new coach comes in or you know, and that is those type of things. So my point of it is , you don't have to do it at the scale I'm doing, but that's the basic concept that we started with of doing something really, really small and easy. And the other thing that I would say is that, you know, there's a lot of tremendous companies and like kind of think it's forever fierce. They do great t-shirts and they work with you guys. So it's not a knock at them or any of the companies that are doing, but what I found with our clients is that the faster I can get a T-shirt in their hand, the happier they are and they're willing to spend an extra, you know, they're , let's face it, no offense, nobody's gonna wear our T-shirts for 12 years. Okay? If I can get 'em to wear 'em for 12 times, I'm, that's, that's golden <laugh> . So I'm not trying to get like, I don't need the Maserati of T-shirts, I just need something that's gonna hold up seven or eight times. Yeah . And if they pay 20 bucks and they throw it away after the seven or eight times, it's great. So I think a lot of people get so caught up in , oh it's gotta be this or it's gotta stop, get 'em a t-shirt, have it feel comfortable, have it say something cool or something that they identify with and it'd be comfortable and quick. Are the two different ,
Speaker 1:So the principle there that you've just laid out, if you're listening return on investment, you think about your time and you think about your money, could you make more money if you invest in a heat press, do the math, figure it out. And if it , the answer is yes, maybe invest. If the answer is no, like for me it's not because I'm bad at retailing, that's me. If it's , if you're like that, don't invest there. But if you're good at it, like chances you might want to go that route. So that's an interesting way to generate some additional revenue. Tell me about, in your gross revenue scheme, there's a lot of things that go into that, a lot of different metrics. So gross revenue is this big, you know , number at the peak of the pyramid. What else do you focus on below that? Like what is your main focus? Is it length of engagement, average revenue per member ? Where are you focusing on other metrics?
Speaker 2:So for us, length of engagement is a huge one. So for example, if we're right now at about 19 months, 20 months to , for length of engagement, which is huge . So that means that almost 50% of our people are staying almost two years. If I can get that number to go to 26, 27, that means that a large portion of our people are teetering on being with us for three years. So to my point of what I just talked about, how many t-shirts can I sell 'em in three years? How many hats, how many lessons, s clinics, all of those things start . So that number starts to really snowball. Whereas, and now I'm not spending nearly as much money of having to, to rebuild my client base. And then by, and then also if somebody's with you for 18 months or eight days, there's a different level of engagement with that client. Meaning if I, so for example, last night we were looking at trying to pivot some of the things we were doing. I took, you know , three times with three different people that I knew or to think they're pretty good fans of us. And I, hey, here's some things we're talking about. I'd love to have your input. And, and to each of 'em they were, they , at the end of those conversations they said, thanks for asking it . It was just like that kind of thing of them, them feeling like they were part of it . And I was like, I dunno if we're gonna do this or not. Just some hair brainin idea I have and what do you think of it? And they were like, yeah, that's really cool, but you know , more than anything, thanks for asking whether I do it or not. I had five minutes that I kind of earned some equity with them. And so, but length of engagement is a huge one for us. And then with that same client, how many times can I service their need ? So their need may be private lessons. So in the , it could be a PT and I know they're doing like a nutrition, we don't do nutrition, it's not great for kids, but you know, or a t-shirt or hat or mom or you know, and then there's college showcases as they get older. So trying to find different checkpoints that your clients are needing and servicing that need and having that available. So when they get to that checkpoint, you're already there so you're kind of having to stay ahead of them. So I'm, I'm constantly, I tell people, so this morning I spent like 30 minutes going through a perform of , between now and the end of our physical year. Our fiscal year is July 31st. And I tell people if I've messed up and I'm worried about today, then we're, we're toast. I gotta be three, six months in advance to figure out what's coming next. 'cause if, if I'm not there, then you're gonna miss some huge opportunities. Okay,
Speaker 1:So that's a really interesting one. Gross revenue is very strongly tied to length of engagement and average revenue per member. Those are force multipliers and really great things that build up that huge revenue number and gym owners out there. If you're not quite at this level, think about this one. Selling one T-shirt every quarter is gonna boost your average revenue per member by 20 to $40. Whatever you price that t-shirt at not per month obviously, but you'll break it down if you do it per quarter. But you could also sell one personal training session to a client per month. And this is just what Chance was talking about servicing your client's needs. You are not doing very well. Double unders, I can't help you more in this class, but in a one-on-one session, I can get you double unders. Would you book a session with me? $75, your average revenue per member goes up by that much. So you can really look at those concepts and they work really well. Chance, have you had any big bumps where like, you know, really rocket ship moments where your average or your gross revenue went up where it was like, wow, that was a huge, huge thing for us.
Speaker 2:I would tell you covid oddly enough, COVID for us was just, just incredible. So I would say before Covid and after Covid, we doubled and I , and people would , and one of the things is that we do have a private facility in my world. Everybody's using local rec parks and those type of things. And so the rec parks were closed because of Covid. We're a private facility, we could stay open in Georgia, we were only really closed down for about 30 days. Okay ? But going deeper , I would tell you the main reason that I think that we we doubled in size was not because of what I just said. It was because during that time my competitors all sat on their hands and they did nothing. Meaning when Covid hit, they just stayed quiet. They didn't say anything, they didn't do anything. There was no activity on social media, there was no outreach. I had talked to my, my personal and at that time we had five , we had four full-time employees. And I said , and I, and I met with my board and I had like an emergency meeting. I was like, all hands on deck, we gotta meet, we got . And so basically I said, here's the deal guys, I don't know what's gonna happen. I can keep you employed and I can pay your payroll for 60 days. I got a 60 day window talk about a tough conversation. And, and I was like, so here's the deal for 60 days I can keep you employed, but if we're gonna keep you employed, I'm gonna need your help. And every day we gotta try to add value somehow. I don't know how we're gonna do that. So we sat for like three hours and we just started brainstorming like, alright , kids are at home. How do we help 'em at home? What can we do? And so what we came up with was our game plan was during that time is every person on our staff had to come up with a video that they could have, like they could , uh, of a skill or something they could work on at home. So for example, you could, we taught 'em how to throw long toss by yourself, take a baseball, put a sock on your arm, put duct tape around it, throw the ball, it stays in there so you could throw by yourself or like drill work that you could, you know, throw balls off a wall and you know , little baseball type of drills. Or in the CrossFit world, it would be like, how do I get better at handstand pushups where I could barely do a pushup, right? Mm-hmm , <affirmative> . And you know , again, you guys got experts on these kind of things. Every day we did a video and then every day at three o'clock, we did what we called PE live. So it was like a kid's version, they're stuck at home. We would do it on Instagram, we would go live and I would have my daughter, I would invite another kid from the program in . And my local CrossFit actually gave us free programming to, they said, Hey, we'll program this for you, but if you'll give us a plug. And so every day I'd give CrossFit, I'd give it to 'em and give 'em their, their their plug now and outta Woodstock , Georgia gr uh , CrossFit garage. So they programmed us a workout that we would be able to do that way with no weight so kids could do it at home. So we would go live and we would do that. And then we also did like individual programming for every kid in the program. I mean, we basically filled up our day with just programming. And because of that, I think in retrospect we kept the main thing, the main thing when everybody else got really quiet. And the main thing in our world and everybody's world is your clients are first. They have to be the focus of what you're doing. If you're making it about your managers or your GMs or your, or somebody's initiatives you are going to lose. And then looking back, the biggest thing that it that taught me is that we have to think about our customer experience. We have to think about what are their struggles, what are they going through? And if we can meet those needs, they're gonna be our biggest fans and they're gonna be customers and stay with us much longer . So
Speaker 1:Jim, what I will summarize that for you, that is a relentless commitment to creatively solving your client's problems in a forward thinking manner. You're not sitting on your hands, you're asking, how can I solve more problems in the future? And how can I get more creative with what I'm offering to make more revenue? So again, if you're not selling baseball programming or apparel, take that principle from it. How can I solve my clients better solve clients' problems? How can I make the client experience better? If you start doing that, you're gonna generate more revenue. A chance, I'm gonna put you on the spot here. A gym owner out there is at a different level and they're saying, how would I start to add just $2,000 to my gross revenue? What would you tell that gym owner to do? Just to put that little bump in there and take a little bit more home to their family?
Speaker 2:This is something that we don't do, but something that I know that I'm from afar, being in two brain , one of the things that I've seen that , uh, Ashley ha out of Florida and that I've heard Coop talk about is the avatar going after those 50, 50-year-old clients. I think that's ingenious because that's a, an entire client segment that has probably been exposed to CrossFit. They wanna feel good about themself , but in their mind, I'm 55, there's no way I could do CrossFit, I'll die , I'll break my neck, right? And then I think going after those clients and having a softer appeal as to , I think that would be huge because that's a separate client base than what the normal CrossFit is. So for us, one of the things that I'm doing is I'm focusing on kids that are seven to nine, which again, total different cross set . But here's my thought process. If I can get the kid that's seven to nine, or a gym owner that goes after the summer program or the youth program. If I go after seven to nine year olds and I get two of those, let's think about that for a second . If I get a , I get two kids that are seven to nine years old that sometime another join our team. Well if they stay with me for three years, or even if they stay with me the cart year two years, holy cow, that's a windfall. Even though that maybe that particular program didn't make a lot of money, it , it broke even, or it paid paid me enough to pay for its coaches. I got those two clients that then stayed with me for two years. That's a no brainer. And I think many times that's a hard number to calculate as a business owner. 'cause everybody's looking, I need it now. I need it now. We have to take a very long-term horizon of , of playing constant battle of playing the infinite game of the finite game. And so making those decisions , uh, in your mind, I want my business to be here in 50 years. Well, making decision based off 50 years very different than being a here in five months. And , uh, so that would be my biggest advice there. You know, trying to look at those clients that can become potential clients that you're servicing the need and in their mind they don't think that they're either ready or able to do it. And , uh, going after that group.
Speaker 1:So Jim Arms , I will give you a summary of that in a shortcut . Use affinity Marketing set up , uh, say a six or eight week , uh, specialty program for either kids or for older adults. And then talk to your current members and say, do you have a kid or do you know a kid who could benefit from this program? Do you have an older parent or an older , older adult in your life who could benefit from this? I bet you could fill those programs and use it as a starting point to generate some revenue, front end revenue right on the spot. And then consider could we get these people to continue maybe with a like , um, a renewable program that keeps going or even just with a membership. We actually, at our summit, we've been having people teach you exactly how to start legends programs and work with older adults. So this is a huge market. We already know kids programs. We've had Jeff and Mickey Martin from Brand X Show up last year at the summit. We know kids programs work really well. So if you're looking to add some revenue, try a specialty program and use your current clients and see if you can get some of 'em in there. Chance . Thank you so much for all this, this is hugely insightful. I've been looking forward to talking to you for a couple of years now, and I finally got you on the show. Thanks so much for opening up your books and telling us your secrets.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. No , I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Excited. Uh, hopefully I , uh, with what we talked about today can help some people. It'd be great.
Speaker 1:I think you definitely will. Uh, if you could help me hit some more dingers and slow pitch , I'd appreciate, appreciate that too. <laugh>, too many strikers for this guy. My name is Mike Kin and this is Run a Profitable Gym . That was Chad Beam, one of our revenue leaders for January, 2024. Please hit subscribe on your way out. And now here's Chris Cooper with a final message.
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