In this July episode, I talk with Kathryn Hymes and Hakan Seyalioglu from Thorny Games about the business of making story-based games. Whether it's a game about developing your own sign language or making first contact with extraterrestrials, Kathryn and Hakan have a lot of insight into this up-and-coming genre of games. Join us as we bridge the gap between tabletop and RPG games, and discover more about ourselves in the process.