How I grew my business through in-person events (and VIP days)

Okay so I've hit record mid-thought on this one because I'm so excited

I've conjured up an entire month of in-person. Three events, a trip to Singapore, VIP days in Byron. And it's got me thinking about how much events have quietly shaped my whole business.

I know some of you just went "nope, click away" because hosting an event feels like the cringiest, scariest thing ever.

Trust me, I thought that too. I still get scared. But I do it anyway.

An hour in the room with your people does more than 100 posts ever could. I really believe that

👉 Grab your ticket to the Gold Coast event - last few spots
👉 DM me on Instagram - thinking about hosting something? I'll help you pull it off

Transcript

Hello. In this episode, we are going to be talking all about how you grow your online audience offline, and more specifically, how you deepen that trust and relationships with your online audience through the form of hosting events. So we're gonna talk all about events. I know some of you are like, "Oh, I'm gonna click away from this one 'cause there's no way I would ever." Trust me, I also thought that. It was the cringiest, scariest, most fearful thought that I had, hosting events, 'cause it's like a whole new level. So we're gonna discuss what I did to break through with that and why it still kind of hangs around, but also why I do it anyway. And also just, like, the logistical things of, let's say you would sort of half entertain the idea of doing events for your business, what is actually involved for someone who is running, like, a solopreneur business. You don't have an extra $100,000 to put towards lighting, and you don't really wanna blow your budget on renting all these massive rooms and things. So I wanna talk to you about the tips and the tricks and what I do to make the day really special, what I believe counts in terms of where you do spend your cash and your money, and just what makes for a really, you know, fantastic events day. So we're gonna talk all about this, and this is very hot in my mind right now. You know, I've basically hit record mid-thought, and I'm excited. You know, we're heading into July. I've spoken about it in the last couple of episodes, but I have summoned in and I've conjured up an entire month filled with in-person. And, you know, you would've heard in one of my last episodes I was talking about how you just make it happen for yourself, and events was one of them. You know, even something simple like deciding I am going to host an event, and I'm gonna book a room and see if I can fill it. I know that's scary. Yes, I'm still scared by it because you're putting the money down and you're, you know, like, having faith in your own marketing that people are gonna wanna come and do the in-person thing. But we did the thing. We did that back in April. I rebooked the same place that I hosted in April, and now about to have the July one, which I'm so excited about. Same with Singapore. You know, like, the backstory there was I had a lot of signs to go to Singapore, and I thought- Uh, okay, well, if that's the case, I'm gonna write an email to my entire list, and I'm gonna tell my list I'm going to Singapore, and I'm gonna ask if anyone wants to do a VIP day with me there. And if someone says yes, then that would be enough of a sign for me to go there. And sure enough, ding, ding, ding. So yeah, Singapore, here we come as well. And then off the back of all the event promotion from previous months, I also had one of my long-term clients, Jacinta, say, "Hey, I'm gonna be in Byron Bay. Can we please do a day in Byron Bay?" So I'm gonna go to Byron Bay, and then another, like, half lunch thing. So anyway, lots going on. It's almost Leo season. I'm feeling very in the spotlight type of energy. I am just feeling it. Shout out to my Leos. And I don't know, I just feel like something so exciting is coming in the form of being in person. Like, I... Personally, I'm about to walk straight into the gauntlet of in-person rampage goodness and back-to-back rooms and back-to-back energy, and I can't wait. Okay, so firstly, I need to address two different groups today. The first, the first group, and this is gonna be you if you have honestly never once let yourself consider hosting an event inside of your business, like, for your business. So for example, if you are a bookkeeper and you're just like, "Why would I host an event?" I am just gonna put it out there to be like, your clients would love to meet you in person, even if you talked about maybe something that's really specific and very useful and very tactical for them, something like how to pre- pre prepare for tax season. And it may seem really dry and boring, but then you may say something like, "But in the meetup, we're also gonna talk about this, this, and this. We're also gonna talk about manifesting money. We're also gonna talk about great financial habits. We're also gonna talk about how to clean up your profitability. We're also gonna have a guest expert." You know, just as an example. But if you've never thought about it, I can make every excuse under the sun for you to have an event, no matter what niche and what background, and especially, especially if you've been hiding behind the screen and it feels so damn scary right now. I just... I want this episode to help you see that it won't be. And I know that a lot of you have toyed with the idea, and maybe you've even gone to a few events and you've thought to yourself, "I could do that. Like, I could, I could host something like that." And this is... "I think this could be cool, but I might do it differently, or I might do it better." You know? So if that's sort of just scratching there on the edge and it's... this is the sign that you needed, it's, it's there, you know? And the reason for you not to do it is not that you're scared and that you feel ick or gross. I just want you to let yourself picture it and to close your eyes- And or to see s- see a Pinterest board and almost like, I don't know, get Nano Banana to infuse your face into the photo so you can visualize yourself hosting the damn room, which fun fact I did do because I didn't do an event for about a year Longer than that, a year and a half. So I, I hosted nothing in 2025, and I needed to get back on the bike, and I needed to get excited again, and I actually did do that. I took a photo from Pinterest, and I superimposed my face onto somebody else. S- does this sound freaky? Anyway... And then it was just a really vibey room, and I'm like, "Yes, I can see that." So that was really awesome. I actually don't even know why I did that because when I was looking for event photos to just do social media and stuff, I typed into Google Photos and also Apple Photos, event, and hundreds and hundreds of photos came up of my events. I've done so many, guys . Like, from the beginning days where I did, like, free meetup groups in Melbourne, and four people would show up to a coffee shop. And, you know, my first paid event was actually held inside of the building I lived at in Melbourne, and it was, like, free to book this amazing meeting room. I couldn't believe that as a resident I could just use this boardroom-type room for free. And I charged $65 per ticket, and I put it on LinkedIn, and I filled it out. There was like, you know, to fill it out it was, like, 30 seats. And, oh, it was incredible, right through to having, like, much bigger rooms. Like, I've... I think the biggest room I've ever hosted is, like, 100 myself. And then, um, I've also done, like, one-on-one in-person events. So that's another consideration for this episode if you're just like, "I don't even wanna do a massive group," but you just wanna host an event for somebody else in the form of a bougie VIP day or, like, a red carpet day, as I call it, and you just have a lovely, like, one-on-one session with a client. That's also an event 'cause you're organizing the whole thing. Oh, let this just be an inspiration point for you. But anyway, my point being is that, like, oh my gosh, you wanna be that version of you that in a couple of months or a year or a few years you type into photos events, and you see everything that you've achieved for in-person stuff, and it just elevates your brand. Like, it really does. Like, there's something about it where it takes you out of the norm and out of the haystack of personal brands trying to grow and scream themselves into existence. And when you host an in-person thing, whatever that looks like, with your own community and your own trust circles and your inner group, it just confirms so much for you. It confirms that this is why you do what you do, and just being in a room with others and you see the like for likeness- And you see the amazing minds that are in your business, and you put faces to names, and you actually get to squeeze and hug people. And it's just, oh, it's so nice and all that. But it also confirms a lot of the bullshit that you need to have volumes and volumes and volumes of people to be successful. And it just resets the North Star for you. Like, hey, don't forget, it's always been about this group, or it's always been around helping the one person if you're doing a VIP day, you know? So yeah, I hope this is already just giving you the props and the, just the permission to think about it, you know, if, if you're in that camp. But, um, I don't know. I feel like this is the time, and a lot of coaches will never, ever do this, and they'll never, ever put themselves out there in this way. And personally, I think it would be a shame to not even try, like even just give it a go. And you can choose however you want to do it. You know, like you can have a free thing so you don't feel pressured to pay for it. Not all of us are in the position to pay for a room either. So you can meet at a coffee shop and just see how it goes. You know, like it's just like how you started your business or just like how you decided to start posting online. I bet you, at that very first moment that you decided to be a personal brand and to tell yourself like, "Hey, I could do this," you took a bet on yourself and you decided like, "I can do this." So similar to that. But I honestly think there's gonna be a part where you'll look back... And even like now, I get so emotional looking back at the photos and seeing like the in-person things that I've done because, you know, I look at all of it and I think I wouldn't be where I am today without that, without the in-person connection, and without being in the room with people that are so, so my people. You know, like the gathering of your community. And essentially, I think this is just me making a case that if you're an online coach and you have never thought about even doing something with another human being inside of a room- This is gonna be the thing that gets you really moving. Now, for others of you who are like, "Hell yes, I wanna do more events. This is exactly the reminder I needed. Give me the logistics, girlfriend," um, let's do that because I think the logistics is really where a lot of you may kind of feel overwhelmed. And, uh, I also just like... Okay, so let me take you back because I want you to really see and hear how unglamorous this began. Like, as I mentioned, the first event that I ever hosted was free, and they were terrifying. Because I don't know if you've seen people, you know, talk about meetups and stuff on the internet, and this is going back to 2017 just before I actually quit my job. But I just wanted to meet other side hustlers. That's where it, where it started. And I said, "If there's anyone who is a side hustler who is, you know, in their 20s and/or 30s who's thinking about leaving their corporate job, kind of wanna do, like, a secret society catch-up cafe meeting, and I just wanna talk side hustles. If anyone wants to come and, you know, just have chats about this and support one another, I'd love to see you there." And I had a relatively okay following already on LinkedIn, maybe like 15K, and yeah, that was actually amazing. I had four women show up to a cafe in the CBD in Melbourne, and that was fi- that was great. You know, and actually, like now that I think about it, one of the women who came to that became a private client of mine roughly about two years later. So we stayed in touch all the way through. See? You just nev- I'm pretty sure she paid me over 10K as well. So yeah. It's just so crazy when you think back on where the, like, originals came from. Anyway, so that happened and, you know, there was no risk. The only risk was, like, feeling like a loser feeling like it didn't work, that no one's gonna show up. But the risk is your ego, isn't it? The risk is you announce a thing, and then sitting there refreshing the guest list or refreshing, you know, the RSVP list, or if you're waiting there in person literally going, "Is anyone going to show?" Or if anyone's actually gonna like you enough to give up their afternoon. All the weird stuff comes up, doesn't it? Like, the childhood traumas, they show up, damn it. Ugh. But I just remember that feeling really clearly, and the fear of hosting. was really massive. You know, it was like, "Am I gonna be able to put on a, a good enough show?" almost, or, "Are they gonna like it? Is it great value for money? Is it not?" And that really showed up during the first paid workshop, and this is another thing that I'll actually never forget. I hosted it inside of the building that I lived at, and I can't believe so many people paid and that they came, and I remember the very, like even 10 minutes before, my concierge was calling me 'cause as people arrived at the check-in desk, they would ding my phone, and it was like, "So-and-so's arrived. So-and-so's arrived. So-and-so's arrived." And I actually also had a volunteer assistant that day, someone from LinkedIn who said, "I wanna get a job in events marketing. I've seen that you're hosting an event. I'm also a side hustler. Would you consider having me there as, like, a pro bono? But I will also, in exchange, help you out on the day." So she was already down there greeting everybody. And like getting coffees from the cafe next door and setting everyone up. So it was just like divine intervention. Honestly, I felt very supported. But I just remember even like 10 minutes before I went downstairs, I was just checking and checking and checking the itinerary, and checking that I had my slides, and checking that I had all my notes correct, 'cause in my head I was gonna say things word for word. Um, eh, that definitely wasn't gonna happen 'cause as soon as I was down there, it was so warm and beautiful, and it was just ac- like an actual real conversation. Anyway, from there, those days just kept building, and I got more and more brave. Like, I started to look at, you know, event... like boardroom places outside of my apartment, 'cause also I didn't want everyone to know, like, where I was living. So I remember I rented out a boardroom at WeWork, and in Melbourne CBD, and that was a vibe. So that was a big deal because I had to pay for that for the first time. But basically, the way I set it out most times, and my general financial goal, is if I'm to pay for a room, I want the room to be paid off within three ticket sales. So that way I just feel like that's done, and then anything else I make from the day is profit or reinvesting back into the experience of the day. So that's just like a little tidbit if... I don't know why I've said three tickets. That's just how I've always made up in my head. That's, you know, how I wanna set things out. So if the room is like $1,000, then, you know, generally speaking, my tickets are gonna be 350, 400 bucks each. Or if it's a much smaller room, then, you know, ticket prices will reflect that for sure. So that was a really, like, quick depiction of the journey I've been on, and like I said, it's been since 2017. Inside of this, it's not just the, like, group events. I've also done one-on-one days, and the way that I do this is I will say either to my current private clients, "Hey, do you wanna do an in-person day with me?" Now, this makes a lot of sense. Obviously, you've already built a relationship with your one-to-one clients. So I want you to think about how you could make your one-to-one client experience bougie-er with an in-person meetup. And this sometimes might mean they come to you from wherever they are in the country, or other countries, or alternatively, and this is when the ding, ding, Sagittarius, forever wanderlust-er, traveler side of me went, "Oh my God, I can travel to them." And it would be a tax write-off, and I would spend the day in their city so it's more convenient, and I build a deeper relationship with them, which vibes. Love that. And I get to go to another part of the world. So that's what I have been doing forever and a day. Honestly, I've been to so many cities, and it's just been incredible to have gone there for work. And, you know, let me just try and think of a few, like Dubai, Bali, um, New York City, Austin, Texas, Rome, Bulgaria, uh, Lisbon, Portugal. Uh, um, oh my God, uh, Par- uh, France. Uh, y- you know, so... Oh my gosh, like, it's just there's so many cities. I know I've forgotten. I know I've forgotten to mention a few. But wherever I have gone, basically, and traveled with my family, I've always tacked on a VIP day. Now I'm going to Singapore So I'm going there for a few days. And the general way I would do that is if I'm going there, then the cost of the retreat day covers my flights and my accommodation. If I book two or three, then I'm well and truly in profit, and I've, you know, not only got to go to a new country, but I'm getting paid very, very well to do that. Um, if they're coming to me, I often get asked this question whether or not I, uh, pay for their flights. I do not. But if they're coming to me, the cost of the retreat day is less. So generally speaking, that's what that looks like. But whatever you decide to do, you know, and like I said, think about how you can make your one-on-one client experience so bougie. This is also, by the way, an additional fee to their already set coaching package. So let's say they paid 10 grand to coach with me. I would say to them, "Hey, I'm gonna come to, you know, Belgium. Do you want to do like a VIP day together?" And it would be this additional fee, and it would be a whole day experience. Like, I'm gonna book out a meeting room, we're gonna go to five-star restaurants, we're going to have the best drinks. If you drink, we'll have, you know, lovely time there. We'll do something that you would like. So one of my clients and I... London, that was another one. One of my clients and I, we went to London and had the beautiful, oh my gosh, the most bougie high tea that I could find. It was a very, very bougie experience. It was a big bill. Um, I don't even want to say the number 'cause... But it was just the best experience that I've ever had. But things like that where it's an experience, and we got to talk business and manifestation and abundance and scaling and our dreams and... You know, she was just so happy to... She kept saying to me all day, like, "Rubes, this is so weird, but I just, I'm so happy to be in your energy." And, you know, it's just the best fun. And we'd, we did talk a lot about business, don't get me wrong, but it's kind of like having your mentor beside you all day and just catching those random thoughts and just being like, "What about this? What do you do with this?" And I was able to just, like, pull out my phone, show her the analytics or, you know, grab my journal, show her my journal entry, talk about certain things and, and even just her being around me, she was saying, like, the money mindset stuff or how you pay for things, how you act, how you be. It was just like this big embodiment component to it, you know? So that has been amazing. Had another experience in New York City. I actually hosted many in New York. And yeah, just... Like, she just was so happy to do some boutique shopping with me. We went to, like, Gucci and LV, and she's like, "I've never walked into a Gucci before or any designer shop before." I'm like, "What? No, come on. Let's go. Let's try on some stuff." She's like, "I would have never tried on stuff if you weren't here 'cause I just wouldn't have felt worthy of it." And I'm like, "Girl, it's just like a department store. Just whatever." And she pissed herself laughing. Like, ever since then, she's like, "I don't know why I put that on such a pedestal." I'm like, "Yeah, everything's, you know, everything's... It's just clothing. It's fine. You know? Like, it's, it's not that deep. Let's just go and have a lot of fun, and then go have a champagne afterwards to celebrate." And funnily, like, things like that, that particular example unlocked her next level of abundance. You know, a month later, she sent me a message saying that she'd made $75,000 out of her mastermind launch. So that was just so wild. But logistically, I'm still planning everything, and this is, like, pre, uh, being able to ask AI, "Can you plan out my perfect VIP day?" So, mm, just saying. Like, so much easier now. The cost of the day, I don't really think about too much. Obviously, I'm very aware whether or not I'm in the red for the day, but I am also not, like, a tight ass about it. You know? It's just we're gonna have the best fun. Let's have the best fun. Or if, like, we're gonna go get massages and facials, I'll be like, "Hey." I'll say to the, you know, the spa wherever we're going, I'll be like, "Can you just add this on for her as she's gone in?" And so then they'll get, like, a fun little gift on, on the side of that. You know? So it's just different ways that if you're just sick of the online world right now, and you're just like, "Get me out of this virtual box that I'm in that feels like a prison right now," I really feel if you just start planning, conjuring, wondering what an in-person day would look like with you or what a catch-up in your city, free, would feel like for you to meet others and to have your following, you know, actually be there in person. Or if you wanted to do, like, a small group workshop, like what I'm doing in a couple of weeks. I'm hosting an in-person mastermind on the Gold Coast- Man, these days are so invaluable. And don't get me wrong, I am live coaching inside of these rooms, but we have a private terrace with ever-flowing beverages, a beautiful view of the Gold Coast and its endless oceans, and the best farm-style table food situation where it's just, ugh. Like, I love a good menu, guys. So you will always be treated to nice food with me because I love a good menu. But, you know, like, let's just talk about... I really wanna get real about why this is non-negotiable in my mind if you're building an online business. Like, I know a lot of you right now are just really in the grind with trying to just get visibility. That's what the industry has sold us right now. That's, you know, social media needs you to be online for them to be a viable company worth billions. So they need us to keep pumping into the machine, and it tells us the more you show up, the more successful you'll be. It tells us that if you get this funnel right, and if you post all the time, if you nail the online presence, you never, ever have to, you know, sell again, and you'll, you'll be able to have lots of fame and all the things. And listen, I love that I have a laptop business. I have built one intentionally. I wanted it for freedom. I wanted it to travel. I wanted to be around the family, to be present. But at some point, maybe, you know, you... I hope that you guys aren't here, but at some point I painfully realized that it hasn't given me all those things. You know, when we go through seasons where you kind of put on the blinkers and you have this, like, purpose blindness Where you forget your purpose, or you forget why you started the thing, and you forget that you can actually not be on social media so much and actually be in person with three people and have that be even more impactful. You know? So it's something that I'm just very aware of now. And yeah, I think a, uh, I don't wanna speak for all of you, but some of you have felt the cost of the grind being on socials all the time. And even last week, you know, I was talking about how, like, I've been hard on myself with socials, but even now I'm so looking forward to being in the room with my people. I'm probably gonna meet, like, in July, 50 people that have been in my community over the three events and, and different meetups that I'm gonna be having as well in Singapore. But if you're experiencing that slightly hollow feeling, where you're posting and posting and you've got followers and you've got engagement, but you don't actually really feel satisfied and you don't feel known, you don't feel connected to the people you're supposedly serving, and you keep thinking, "I need more eyeballs. I need more people. I need more visibility. I need more numbers. I need this to get to 10K," something is missing. And what is missing is your connection to your people. And here's what happens at an event that literally can't happen on a grid. You make eye contact. You see in real time how someone receives your knowledge, your teaching, your years and years of experience, your energy. Like, the way they feel energy. I know that- I feel it so much when I'm teaching and I see someone's eyes well up, and then I literally am like, "Whoa, whoa. Hang on." You know, like, "Sarah, what's happening? Why are you welling up?" And she's like, "I'm so sorry, but everything you're saying just makes sense, and I feel like you're just speaking to me." You don't get that experience off a grid. And of course, the whole room feels that, and it's just flood, a flooding of support and love, and then it's an openness, and then we go into a room share. I feel emotional just talking about this, and there's goosebumps, and there's connection, and there's real life healing in that room. There's real life embodiment in that room, and it's guised as like, "I'll help you grow your business." But really, when people come into these rooms, the level of embodiment and healing and new levels of energetic upgrades is unexplainable. You know? And suddenly they go from someone who's just following you to someone who feels like they belong, and that person obviously becomes a repeat buyer, but they also become a lifelong friend. They also become a lifelong learner. And it might not always be lifelong from you, but you've activated something in them, and that compounding over time does lots and lots for not just that individual, not just for you. But think about it and what it does for generational steps and people and components to come. So when people ask me what the highest leverage thing an online coach can do, hosting a room full of your people is right up there. It builds so much trust, confidence, connection, love, vibration, abundance, embodiment. More than 100 posts. An hour in the room with your people. Try it out. I dare you. I dare you I'm, I'm not even being serious. And I know that if you're like, "Hey, that's... I'm scared." And this is where most people freeze, because you can't just announce an event and then disappear. It's a totally different style of marketing. You have to be out there, out there, out there, out there selling the tickets, putting yourself out there. Because guess why else? People wanna be in person, but then they have their own shit to deal with. So you're dealing with your shit as a host, they're dealing with their shit getting out of the room and feeling uncomfortable, and some people just, they want it so much, but the fear is holding them back from buying the ticket. How they go from sitting in their lounge room to coming into the room with you is by you shouting it out like you just fucking believe this room is going to be massively transformational for them, and that is felt through the screen. And it's vulnerable. It's vulnerable. Like, look, honestly, if nobody buys your e-book and nobody signs up to your webinar, no one really sees that. But if you're announcing an event and the room is empty, that feels deep and scary and personal, and I have felt that. I mean, like, there have been some rooms that I've been in, and I've had two people in there, and that... I felt sick about it. Sick. And I didn't wanna do it, and I was... You know, had my whole tantrum to my poor husband. And I got in that room. It was the best day, honestly. And these two women, they had known, not known each other before, and they just became the best of friends. They actually moved in together Not romantically, nothing like that, but they moved in together, and they just became amazing friends. And I just think, like, it's not just that they moved in together, but the, the power in that room with the three of us, ooh. I love these girls. I'm still friends with them, you know. But, I'm just... I just want you to sit with that and get out of your own way. That's what that experience gave me. Sometimes I think the universe is like, "Hey, I know this is scary, but I'm just gonna give you two people so you can actually feel the extent of the fear. And on the other side of that, you're gonna feel the extent of the beauty and the change and the power in hosting a room with two people." And I'll never take that for granted. Even if, let's say, I host an event and five people show up, with my bigger audience now, I'm just being, you know, in relative terms, I'm so happy. How awesome, how cozy, how wonderful. So, I want you to know that you can do it. If you have any questions, please DM me, and know that you've got the permission You've got the permission to do this. You don't need to be at another level to get in a room with people. You don't need to be more qualified. You don't need to have more followers. And you don't need to have all of these achievements that you're making up in your head right now to feel worthy of hosting a room. You can just be. You can just be. You are so worthy of doing this, and it will enrich your business a thousand times over. I promise you. It will feel incredible. And let's say if you host a room and two people buy tickets or two people sign up to the free thing that you don't know, invite your girlfriends and your gay bestie and your crazy aunt who's mega spiritual and your political dad wh- maybe, maybe not. But invite your people. It doesn't matter. Like it just get started, you know. To get it started. I would make Michael sit in a room with me and three girls talking about our feelings in the early days. I'm not even kidding. And he's just the best. He's just the best. He did that. Another friend of mine, Alex, um, he's passed away unfortunately, but he was just one of my best mates. Um, he would come to the events. And I'm like, "Alex..." Like, he was a startup founder. I'm like, "No." He was, like, such a Labrador. I was like, "No." And he goes, "No, I wanna be there. I'm gonna be there. What, what time is it? I'm gonna m- I'm gonna make time in my calendar. I'm gonna be there." And sure enough, he was there. You know, your people will support you if you really ultimately need it, and I really did, I really did in the early days. So that's my little love letter to events. That's what came pouring out when I thought about what I wanna speak to you guys about this week, and I'm gonna share all my July adventures. Uh, the podcast is gonna have a couple of guests on in July because I'll be traveling, but I've just had the best time interviewing some guests, and you'll be able to meet them very soon. So not as many solos this month, but when I'm back doing more solos, I will recall my amazing experiences at these events. And if this did stir something in you, and if you felt that little pull that said, "You know, I'm gonna start hosting something," please listen to it. And start small if you need to. Start free if you need to. Just start where you are. It doesn't matter, okay? Like, you gotta go build the thing. And if you want help actually pulling it all off, like the selling, and the filling of the events, and the whole flow of turning an idea into a room full of people, I've got you. Just send me through a DM, and I will personally, I'm personally gonna help you pull this together. I love you lots, and I've gotta go, and I mean it, and go host something. I'll see you in the next one. Big kisses, and I don't know how to end this for some reason. Okay, bye, bye, bye. You go. No, you go. No, you go. Okay, bye.