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Josh Rutherford & James Stolar share why relationships matter more than followers - Episode #284
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We sit down with Josh Rutherford and James Stolar to talk golf content, golf trips, and the unglamorous work that turns views into real opportunities. We get into mountain golf, viral moments, scoring mindset, and why relationships matter more than follower counts.
• relationship building as the most valuable skill for golf creators
• meeting people in person at events like the PGA Show
• how Josh and James team up on content and Cut the Corner
• finding a niche by leaning into personality, humor, and consistency
• best and worst rounds plus how to stop thinking about score
• “unconscious” golf and mindset tools that build confidence
• favorite mountain courses like Silvertip and Greywolf
• altitude effects on distance and why putts break differently
• long-drive travel logistics, filming fatigue, and sponsor momentum
• handicaps, wagers, and setting up a 2v2 match
• rapid fire picks, pre-round food, and the hot dog thermos story
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Relationships Over Followers
Well, this is actually the best advice I've ever got. And he was just recently a guest on your show. Was relationship building is the most key part to content creating. Like if people want to, as a creator, you can have the best content. I know guys that have 80, 100,000 plus followers that don't make any money because they're not building relationships with people who are behind the brands, getting to know the brands and all that kind of stuff, or people at resorts, basically networking and relationship building, and them get understanding who you are and what all that kind of stuff is the most important thing. And I remember when I got that in that message from Mac when I was talking to him, I asked him, I was like, hey, what's like the key to this and all this? And he said relationship building. And in my head, I'm like, that's the dumbest advice. Like, what am I supposed to do with that? Because I'm like, I'm how are you supposed to build a relationship with someone by messaging them on an email or through Instagram? And it wasn't until I got let go of my job and then took this on full time and went down to the PGA show in January of 2024 when I was like, okay. And you start talking to people and getting your face there, and you're basically a salesman, I guess, in a way. But getting to know people and just basically when you're around them, being one of the boys right away, and it's just them getting to see you as the side of you instead of a person, and they want to be around you, just like how we all honestly, just how like we all clicked when we went on the golf course, and just like that. And if you can build those relationships with people, it goes a mile, and they'll kind of like, I guess, in a way, want to help with what you're doing, as long as you can provide them value. And but if they don't know who you are, they don't know who you are as a person, you can have 100,000 plus followers, and it's just it's just not gonna work.
Show Trailer And Welcome
World's strongest man from childhood passion to professional athlete, eight-time Iron Man champion. So, what was it like making your debut in the NHL? What is your biggest piece of advice for the next generation of athletes? From underdogs to national champions. This is the athletes podcast, where high performance individuals share their triumphs, defeats, and life lessons to educate, entertain, and inspire the next generation of athletes. Here we go. Yo, how'd you guys meet? Uh high school basketball technically, but we knew of each other before then, but yeah. Grade, I would have been in grade 12. James would have been in grade 10. Yeah, somehow he played varsity basketball. He was actually pretty good then. Doesn't if you look at him right now, he probably don't realize it, but he was actually good at basketball. Hey, I'm averaging like 2.3 points a game, about six boards, 15 minutes right now, and in Peg City Lake Division 3, I think. So Draymond Green out there. Hell yeah, brother. Hey, I'm uh I I'm a Tyler Hansborough in CAA days. Maybe Toronto Raptors, Tyler Hansbrough, where you know you're averaging 16 boards, six points, and you know, six assists. So it's you know, we we all gotta know our place on the court, right? Josh, not everyone can be the top YouTube golfer in Canada, okay? Sorry. Like there's only me and Joey Coldcuts on that list, so it's pretty hard to not be worse than him. That's uh what so what what qualifies you for that? How often do you have to submit? Like, is it just anyone who posts on YouTube gets to be eligible? Well, I think this guy started the handicap track, I guess what you want to call it. And now my golf spy actually pays him to be part of their news platform to like do this as a full-time job. So he's basically watching, I don't know if he watches every single from start to end, but he's basically up everyone that's on his list, he's looking at every video that they upload, plus people that want to get on the list, and he's trying to like get their YouTube handicap, and then he just kind of ranks it from there. So to go off what you said, I don't know if there's a criteria to it because after he put me on there as the top Canadian, he said he had a few people reach out saying what they like a couple people like he said, Mac, and yeah, I think Michael Kahn was another one. And I was like, I didn't know I didn't know Michael did even YouTube. And he's like, Well, he hasn't posted for a while, but he's gonna start it back up, so who knows? Maybe if you maybe if you post consistently for two or three months, maybe you can get on it, I guess. I'm not sure. There's probably got to be some sort of criteria going forward, maybe like because YouTube's so hard to grow, especially long form, so maybe like 10 or 5,000 followers, plus you have to be posting maybe twice a month at least. I don't know. I don't know what criteria there is, but yeah, it's just me and Joey Coldcuts on there. I tried to get James on there, and the guy laughed at me. I was gonna ask, where do you think Cal and I would rank right now? You boys saw us in Manitoba. I put a couple over the fence, but no, we we got some work to do, boys. Uh maybe increasing the amount that the Canadians are getting represented on that stage. Man, James, you're hey, next year, right? One more year at Bell Acres and you'll be set. That's the plan, yeah. One more year at Bell, and then I'll be uh well. Actually, I just posted a video. Technically, I'm a plus 10 from what the I did. So Josh is plus 2.1 is just out the door, if I'm gonna be honest. So I guess I get strokes now. Yeah, you guys. Hey, uh, but we played straight up, me and Cal against you, Josh. You loved that match, eh? Yeah, I kind of want to run that back. I you guys honestly probably saw me at one of the worst that I could play, so that's fine. I think I I think after like the whole five or six, I kind of figured it out, but yeah, no, I want to run that back. We could actually do the full one on my channel too. We should. 2v1 James Kincaddy for me. No, it should just be rated now. He'll crush his uh dozen sparkling waters throughout the round. It'll be great. Have you found a sponsor for that yet? No, no. I had a I think that's that's our goal for this episode is to get you a sparkling water sponsor. Please, somebody. I'm spending like almost seven extra dollars around on sparkling waters right now. So bubbly, aha, president's choice, anybody. I like line. Yo, Josh Rutherford, James Stoller. Welcome to the Athletes
Manitoba Golf And First Impressions
Podcast. I think this is like the 284th, 85th episode. We're gonna have some fun here today. For those listening, this episode is brought to you by Fairway Co. Ferdi Juice Original, the official PGA of Canada's shot flavored podcast. And perfect sports supplements. This is a vegan protein. James, you might want to mix one of these in during your round with the sparkling water, it'll taste sensational. But I like to mix in one of these protein brothers, a little ASMR for those folks. That's our ad reads for the day. We got those out of the way. What are we gonna talk about, guys? Because we had a great time in Manitoba during the long drive tour. We got to hang out with Jordan and Cal for a few hours. Had a nice five some on that course. They loved it. We played some pretty piss poor golf, if I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. But I mean, the boys were having fun, right? Yeah, we were buzzing. I I still I was actually gonna this question was gonna come up later, but I'm gonna ask it now, Dave. So so we're talking about like, oh, you know, like Josh is introducing himself, all this, and I'm like, I'm James. I tag along with uh Josh, I'm a mechanic. Like, what was your initial reaction when you're like you're probably like who the fuck is this guy for one? And what the fuck is Josh doing? Yeah, it was something along those lines, I think was basically like Cal and I were kind of looking at each other, like, oh, this wasn't on the script, but we'll roll with it because that's the way the entire fairway long drive tour has been going. No, it was good. Like obviously, we didn't actually know anyone at the course up until you know 10 minutes prior. So to just show up, lights, camera, crew, and be like, yeah, we're bringing five people on the course. It was just, you know, Manitobans are friendly, but you don't want to assume and be expecting that you can just break the rules of golf that have been around for hundreds of years, you know. I didn't slow anybody down. I picked up when I had to quite often. So no, it was I honestly it worked out really well. And I think like, I don't know, I did you boys have fun? I thought we had a good time. I had a great time. I love I love that course, so I love Bridges. It's always in such good shape. And it's a fun, fun little course. Not little course, it's a fun course, you know. You can bang it around. It's a little more target golf, but I enjoy it. Green, it's always in great shape for anything in Manitoba, so it's awesome. Did you guys just watch the players? Do you have any thoughts, feelings, emotions from what just occurred this weekend? The PGA championship? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm 0 for two on Freudian Slips today. That's tough. Holy fit. I did not watch it. I'll golf in this morning. James golf. He's a golf content creator, has a golf podcast, and doesn't watch golf. You can't do it all, man. Can't do it all. Okay, that's four hole. I got the new dog I gotta look after. I had to take her for a long walk because she was cooped up inside all day after I finished my round. So can't be watching golf. I'd rather be playing it than watching it. So I agree. Why don't we uh why don't we
Meet Josh And James
start? I guess we've started, we've been rolling for 10 minutes. Why don't we start by letting each of you give like a little you know 30-second spiel on who you are, your goal in the golf world, because James, you're at a slightly different stage in your golf career than Josh is, for instance. However, I think we can all agree that we're on the content grind and we're all trying to be better golfers, be better athletes, but also better human beings at the same time, like Jordan Ferroni, who we golfed with in Manitoba. Like, I don't know. I think you know, we gotta give you the stage, let you guys share a bit more about who you are. I'll let Josh go first on this one. Piggyback. What happened? This is what happened when we did the fairway long traffic. I got caught off guard by this, and I was like, I don't know, I'm Josh Rutherford. Like, I don't know. Yeah, I'm for anyone who doesn't know, I'm Josh Rutherford. I have been doing golf content for five years, going on through this is my third year doing it full time. Josh Rutherford Golf on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube, and then Slinging At Sports on Facebook, which because they won't let me change my name. So yeah, it's it's a grind. I do just start up a podcast called Cut the Corner with James, and other than that, I also have a media company called Flagstick Media Co. that I help run golf course social media or give consulting to golf courses on what they should do in marketing-wise on social media. So just a busy guy, just not enough time in the day to do everything, and thankfully James decided to jump on board because I think podcasts are huge. If yours is awesome, by the way, Dave, and kind of try to mimic what you do with what we're doing. And James kind of does everything behind the scenes for ours. So yeah, that's kind of me in a nutshell. Oh, got a wife, two kids, three kids, sorry. Got a wife, three kids, little dog. We'll throw that in there. Other than like the stuff I do on a daily basis, that's that's a stuff that other than what I do is important to me. That's so bad. Well, it's not gonna lie, it's gonna be pretty easy to top that one, Josh. So no kidding. Yeah. No, my name is James Stoller. I am not a full-time content creator. I have a full-time job as a uh heavy-duty mechanic. I work at a shop here in Winnipeg, Manitoba. I just started doing content, I think it was October last year I started. It's it's gaining a little bit of traction, and I'm hoping that it can take off. I started doing a whole in one posting every day until I get one. Little spoiler, I was really fucking close today. Like really fucking close. But I'm hoping I can get one, or if I get if I get a million views on the YouTube one of uh Josh and mine videos, then I'll just skybosh it. So let's just get a million views on the next one that we post that way. I can stop filming every part three because it's starting to get repetitive, watching me chunk it, slice it, hook it, like nowhere even near it. So but yeah, no, that's basically me in a nutshell. Yeah, I just work and grinding on my game. I've been golfing for I think this is my third year now. Before that, I'd never finished 18 holes before, actually. A lot of people don't know that, but I never was never able to walk in after eight. I'll leave it at that. For anybody who knows, you know, but for anybody who doesn't, that'll be released at a later date. So if you know you know, if you know you know. I I did have to say that I was quite impressed with your golf game after only two years last summer. For you to be able to stand out there, you know, you were slinging it with the rest of us, maybe not to the same degree as Mac Boucher out there, but you know, we we had some fun, and dude, the way your game's trending, I mean, from not being able to walk at the end of 18 to finishing 18, like that's progress, man. You know, we have baby steps, you gotta walk before you can run, right? Exactly. So we're gonna wonder how long this hole in one thing is gonna go on, James, because it took me 30 years to get one. I was gonna say it's an ambitious goal and something that, hey, you know, you're definitely committing to the bit if you can film every part three possible. Yo, how much storage you got on that iPhone, James? Not enough. I'm gonna I actually have a four-terabyte hard drive, I'm gonna start loading it onto because it's gonna be getting full here right away. I clip them real short. They're about try to keep them to about 10 seconds. That way I can keep storage, but yeah, no, it's uh today was better, but yesterday I was just like, there's no point in filming this. I the first ball I hit it was a 130 yard. I literally hit it like 45 yards, and I needed a range fire for the
How Their Games Really Look
for my approach shot on a par three, so that was interesting. Not a good not a lot of guys with the balls to lay up from there, James. No, no, I do though. Don't worry, I made double from there. So I had one question that I thought both of you might enjoy answering, and that would be if you had to describe the other person's golf game with one sentence or a few words, depending on how you'd prefer to put it. What would it be? You go first on this one, James. Okay. Delusionally confident would be the best way to describe Josh's game. He's a great golfer, don't get me wrong, but his confidence is like different than anybody else I've ever met. Which is great. But that's that's probably the best way to describe his game. That's so funny because I don't feel like that on the golf course. You sound like it. James, I would say, since James is so mean, I would say shockingly good. Because if you see him walk up to the T, you're just he's one of those guys like, I gotta play this guy today. And then he hits it and you're like, oh, he can play golf. It's not bad. Yeah, yeah, it's true. I I that's an accurate, that's an accurate. Okay, follow-up. How would you describe my golf game, each of you? Oh, easy, long, very long. Comfortably swinging at 128? Like that's nuts, man. That's better than I was hoping. I was getting I was I was ready for way worse, put it that way. Maybe Rutherford's got something else to say. John Daly? I don't know. KR. Oh, oh John Daly. You don't look like John Daly. Yeah, but it took John, it took John Daly a little bit to get a short game down. So that's true. That's true. I was struggling around the greens with you for sure. Cal definitely carried the team around there for sure. We will talk about the first hole. We'll just leave that in the past. Yeah, yeah. He'd be pissed if I didn't bring up the fact that he chipped in on that first hole. He would be livid. I wasn't gonna bring it up, but I mean, you guys spend more time on the golf course than the two of us, that's for damn sure. And that came in clutch earlier. That set the tone, that got you off your game. You were in shambles after that, the next few holes. I would couldn't believe it. I was like, well, I guess I guess I lost this hole. I think I actually this first hole, I think I had like 20 feet for birdie, and you guys chipped in. I'm like, oh. Thought this was gonna be like a putt to win the whole easy tie, and now I'm one down, and then put my proceed to put my second t-shot in the water. So that was nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We I think we gave you a little breakfast ball on that one. I don't know, we figured it out. What uh well, I think I was two down after two. I was he remembers it vividly. Yo, same question though. What's the thing that James does that you've been able to copy, or vice versa? Are there are there pieces to your guys' game that you envy or that you think are just absolutely crazy that you wish you could do? I mean, James, obviously, things that Josh can do, you're probably gonna be wishing which is most. But like, you know, Josh, what's one piece of James's game that you wish you had? Maybe let's put it that way. That's the most absurd question I've ever been asking. Like, take something from a 10-handicap. Come on now. Can you can you can you hit it farther than him if James really connects with one? No. Okay. Last year, well, maybe I haven't played with him this year. He was speed training this. We talked about this in our pod a couple episodes ago. He's been he was speed training this winter, and his club ed speed is definitely faster than mine now. But like last year, I we gave I gave him a thousand head yard head start on a course, and the whole joke was I better not outdrive you today. And he was starting like a hundred yards ahead of me on some holes. So, and there was one hole where it was pretty close. It was close, yeah. Into the into the fan. To be honest, that hammered one into the fan like 260, and I think he had like a 70-yard head start, and he beat me by like he was ahead of me by like five or ten yards. I was like, that's close enough
Personality, Virality, And Being Real
for that head start, but like in normal golf, it's not really that close. Who decided you guys should make content together? Me. So like James, like just obviously you've the little you've spent with him, little you've talked to him, he's an absolute character. So probably one of the more funniest guys I've ever come around, just just naturally, just himself. So, and just being around in the content world for so long, I thought he'd be perfect for it. And unless you could get out of his like couple around the camera and just be himself, he'll said this in the other day. Like, once he could figure out how to like get his personality out on social media, he's gonna be way bigger than I am or ever will be. Just he's got the personality for it. Oh is that uh oh, I was waiting for the tears to start flowing there, James. I think like one guy that comes to mind to do YouTube. He's like, Hey, have you ever thought of doing YouTube? And I was like, I don't know, maybe I'd start with an Instagram before I went into YouTube, and he's like, No, do with me, you dummy. I was like, Oh, yeah, for sure I would. Here I'm thinking he wanted me to go start my own YouTube. No, then I joined on with him, and it was last summer's great, this summer's gonna be great, and hopefully we continue it for a long time. I think, like, I mean, obviously, you guys have got some serious momentum built. You've got some trips that I'm would love for you guys to share, some updates on where you're gonna be, where potentially we're gonna link up at some point. But I think like to your point, Josh, on the getting yourself and your personality out there, a guy like Shawn Z69, you know, nine rod out there, he's like does not give a flying F what anyone thinks about anything that he says. And it is allowed him to go absolutely parabolic on social media over the past year. You know, I think he was at 16k a year a bit and ago when he was golfing with my buddy Ole out here, and he's at like 130, and it's like he talks about warlord slot ticking time bombs. What are we doing here, boys? Like how how uh I mean, I actually was just supposed to chat with Sean last week. We were having technical difficulties, so we'll be getting him on. We're we're going golf heavy right now, boys. But how I uh how do you even wrap your head around what he's been able to do? And James, you're a little different, but you're I I feel like you're adjacent to Sean's E69 in some degree. Am I wrong? Uh no, definitely. I like Josh said, it's just trying to find what's working. And so far it's been literally me just being myself, but I need to capture more of those moments because I feel like I don't I'm not filming enough when I'm golfing, but I also want to kind of just enjoy my round with my friends, but I feel like I need to to film more and then they'll see me because nobody's gonna come to watch me golf. Nobody wants to see me shoot, you know, mid eighties, right? Nobody's like, oh Man, another bogey? Oh, look at that. A double. Like, nobody wants to watch that. So if I can just basically show who I am, which I thought the YouTube first year did a really good job of. And if we can build off of that, that'd be awesome. Like we have like James has two viral videos on his account just from his random stuff, like puking on a golf ball and the fake, the fake hole in one run-up, which I think is probably one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Because when he sent it to me, as soon as he sent it to me, I text like, Oh my god, this is this I know where it was going because I know him. But like when you watch on social media, and I'm like, and I think I told you to like send it to me because at that time you didn't have an account. I was like, I'll post that because I knew it was gonna blow up. Because like, yeah, and anyways, so he's got those, and then we had a couple viral videos just with James's personality on our cut the corner pod. Like, we have one on our on our page, we have one that's over a million, and one that's got like a half million views just off cart cams and the thing, and then it's just James being James, which is borderline idiotic at times, but it works and it's awesome and it's funny. But yeah, James, you had some some more you had a rebuttal there. I saw it coming. Two fists and a nose. That's just me being me, right? Like the I think I grossed out about half a million people out with the mashed potatoes in the water bottle. All of my friends, they're like, Oh, they knew exactly what it was. They're like, Oh, yeah, we always do that. You know, you're you're going out like let's say you're going ice fishing for the day, you'll put mashed potatoes in a bottle so you can have something to eat when you're out there to go with your fish that you're gonna catch, right? It's just for me and my friends, it's normal stuff. That is at least. And a lot of the stuff I post too, I think it's funny. I think that some of my friends will find it funny, and I just post that, and like even if I don't get more followers or views or anything, it's just stuff I just do what I think's funny, and I'm just rolling with it because it's dumb, and I I just find dumb stuff so funny, just the most random, stupid stuff, it's hilarious to me. But that's what he's going off of with Shaunzies. Like Shawn's the stuff he says is dumb. It really is zero. Like, it makes sense if you understand and watch his videos to understand what he's talking about. But the first time if he talked to you, like, like if you when he calls random pro shops, they're like, What are you saying? Yeah, I'm gonna plant some you slotted warlock, you coin headed stick. Can I can I come and plant some eggs at your facility today? Like, what do you mean? Like, do you have any eggplanting times available? This is nine rod. Yeah, yeah. I just noticed uh there was an opportunity to plant some eggs at your egg planting facility. Man, but yeah, it's the it's it's the dumb stuff that clearly the internet enjoys. I'm still trying to learn that because you know, I like to think that my goal was to educate, entertain, and inspire the next generation of athletes here on the Athletes Podcast. And we've been pretty successful along the way, but I also need to pull a thing or two from these idiotic ideas, we'll say it, you know, and it's just like, man, what are we doing here? I need to stop thinking about it and start going with it. That's what we learned a lot about that on the fairway long drive tour. Yeah, for for example, look at John Goff this year. I know completely blown up off of drunk eye runs. And now he's just doing he's on probably the longest bender I've ever seen. But like he's just done stupid, idiotic things that are fun. The thing is, is I think the majority of the reason why people go to social media and watch it, it's either for education, two, it's something really good, or three, it's funny. And if you're not either really good at something, you're educating someone, you're not funny, it's just not gonna work. Or if you're a girl, it's pretty easy to do social media. You just have to for guys, it's harder. Fros and cons. Fros and cons. James, what's that? You had something there. It's not not if you were Zoom buzz and are caked up like me. So that'll be the next video. Everyone's got to find their niche, man. And that's honestly, I've I've gone wide, and that's why we're going we're going niche with golf right now on the AP. We're we're fully admitting to it. You know, we got 10, 12 episodes lined up with beauties like yourselves. And you know, selfishly, I want to play more golf. I want to get out to more golf courses like we were doing last year. And you know, if we're talking about golf for the next few months, there could be worse things to be doing while the sun's out, right?
Setting Up The 2v2 Match
Do you think you and Cal could beat me and James in a 2v2? 100%. 100%. No doubt. You don't think so? I don't think so. I don't think a chance. Where are we playing? Where's our match? Where's this two v2 going down? We I think we should play. We should do a sponsored series from Fairway and Brady Juice, and we'll go somewhere for a series on my YouTube and we'll collab with it. Okay. Let's figure out a spot this summer or this fall. I like it. Go find four courses or whatever film a series or three or four three or four courses and 18 whole matches, 2v2. Cal and I are a dirty duo, man. I gotta I gotta say, he complimentates my game really well, and he can like has unlimited confidence, like you guys referenced earlier, and I need more of that on the course at times. So yeah, it's a good match. But I mean, you two are also a very dynamic duo that would be a tough, stiff competition to say the least. I don't think James and James and I have the first time we ever played together was in a scramble in the fall. It's the only time ever always been playing against each other, or James was unfortunately this series won't go because we lost the first two holes of the first episode, but we filmed three episodes for a 2v1 series where James was playing with a guest against me in a 2v1. Oh, and we we had three filmed and we just can't put them out because we lost the last two holes of the first one. We have no idea where they're at. So it's obviously it's gone, got deleted somehow. But yeah, so I think it'd be fun to do it 2v2. Dude, let's let's set it up. We'll we'll make we'll make it happen. The listeners of the athletes podcast will hold us accountable to this. And yeah, I think we should throw a serious wager on the line here. Like, I mean, between the fact that you're homeless, I'm gonna be traveling, James is still trying to get out of the full-time gig. We're all grinding here. Like, I think we could throw at least a couple uh sparkling waters on the table. Let's let's put everyone's mortgage payment on the line, and we're good to go. No, I'm good with it. Win-win for me. I think James is the only one really hurting on that one, but you know, it brings up a good point.
Best Rounds, Worst Rounds
Best or worst round you've ever played? Which one do you want to share with the athletes podcast listeners? And the cut the corner pod. Oh man. My best round, I don't actually even remember much of it. I shot 62 last summer at Bardin Golf Club in Minot, North Dakota. No big deal. I no idea until like whole 17 on the T-Box that I was like, oh. Just I was playing with a buddy who's a member there, and we were just shooting the shit the whole day on the golf course, and it was just like one of those things where I was, I guess it's still like a good score, but for me, my best score going in. I shot 64 twice earlier that summer, and a bunch of 65s and 66. Like I was playing really good golf last year, and so I was like six under going to the last four. And I just it's like, oh yeah, like par 72, like okay, well, like if you make one more, like 66 or whatever. If you par out 66, so for me, it was like still a really good day on the golf course, but wasn't like nothing too special. And then I hit like one on a par three. Remember the last four holes? I can't tell you what happened before, but I remember hitting like a an approach shot to like three feet on a on 15, and then par five, next hole, like laced the drive, hit six iron green side, like two feet off the green on the left-hand side, chipped it to like a foot, tapped that in, almost made an ace on the par three seventeen that was like two inches away, and then tapped that in, and then whole 18's a par five. So it goes par three, par five, par three, par five. Finish, kind of pulled it a little bit in the right. It was I had a swing, but I had to keep it underneath like a tree branch, and then I had a six iron from like 195 that almost got to the green. It was like just on the upslope of this front part of the green, and then I hit this really high flop shot. I think I posted that video. That was the only time I recorded the whole round, too. So I or I recorded a hole one and I recorded recorded hole 18 and dropped it to like an inch, almost went in. And then after that, I was like, damn, that's a 62. So I was like, and I think the pressure for me was off that round because it's like, well, if I par a par five, it's my best score ever. So I was like, there was like no real pressure going in for me to myself on 18. And I was like, there's probably no chance the way I'm swinging the club right now that I'm gonna like par is the absolute worst score I'm gonna make on this hole. And so after it got 62, I walked in the pro shop like first time in my life, like, well, what's the course record? Because I I I just shot 62, and so they have a pro record at that course and an amateur record, and the I think a couple pros have shot 59 there, but the amateur record was 61. So I didn't have either one, but yeah, that's the best one. My worst one to date would have been probably the Manitoba qualifier last year. We'll just leave it at that. James saw every shot, didn't really record every shot well, but he saw every shot. Yeah, I was gonna say I missed a bunch of them. The amount of times I was like, oh shoot, missed that one. My worst round, I have so many worst rounds. But my my best round I've ever shot, it's uh 14 times now at Bell Acres. I've shot 80. I have yet to break the 80 mark. But just last week I was on T box a whole 17, and I'm like, oh, you know, like I got you know, all I have to do is uh 3-3 here, and you know, I shoot 79. So 17 hit a drive down the middle, hit a little flip wedge into about 10 feet, drain the putt, and I'm like, oh, okay. You know, 18's downwind, it's a longer par five from the blues, but hit a really good T-shot downwind, probably about 320. And I had two, I don't know why I'm saying it, like I don't remember. I had 248 in exactly to the pin. Downwind. I pulled two iron out, didn't hit it super well, left myself about 30 feet, right in the heart a foot short, and tapped in for my 80. But that was that was my best round. So that was birdie birdie, and I actually did that again today. I was two under through four and then uh ended up shooting eighty-four, and we'll just leave it at that. So I guess I need to get it this year. Oh yeah, I'm going to, yeah. Actually, no, I can't break. It was a part three quarter, part two, seven, I shot 77. So I have broke age. That doesn't matter. Go, Josh. No, the one thing I wanted to say is like when I like it's funny how we can remember like our great rounds, our good rounds from a T and then I think it like makes especially when you're on a golf trip, kind of makes that you either love that course or you hate that course kind of feeling, or your experience is way better. But like I think with my my best round, like I shot 29 in the back nine. First time ever done that. Jeez, and then it's so funny how like you you like James, like were you nervous at all when you go birdie birdie? Like ever was it in your head, exactly. So it's like so funny that how like when you're not in your own head and you're not thinking about your score, how much easier it is to score. And I never went four birdies in a row either in my life. And going into the lot last par five on that course, I got my first time ever, four birdies, first time ever shooting 29, lowest score ever. But I wasn't thinking about it. I've had so many times in my life to get four birdies in a row, and I'm like, oh, I get four birdies in a row, first time ever, and you completely it just doesn't happen. So I think if you just it's something I take into golf, try to do as much as possible, is stop thinking about a score and stop thinking about what you're trying to achieve, and just hit the ball, and whatever happens, happens. Because some of my best runs and are because I'm not thinking about anything, just you only can only control what that one shot is. So I think they call that being unconscious. Unconscious. First time I screwed it up.
Playing Unconscious And Confident
I actually was really reading a really good book, listening to a really good book, Bob Rotella, How Champions Think. Phenomenal read. Josh, highly recommend James for you too. It's legit. I would anyone listening straight up, probably one of the best books I've listened to, changed some of my mindsets around the golf course, a little bit more confidence. But like you're talking about, it's like, yo, I either miss this shot or I make a really good shot. So I might as well put the best swing on it possible so that I can get the best result. Mark Spitzer golf, I'm working on getting him on too. He's a coach down in the US. I think you guys will probably be familiar with him. He's again, guys who are in the golf world understand that you can get into a bit of a get a rhythm, and it doesn't matter. You swing your swing, you end up with the result that you do. But if you can get to that point where you're not really thinking, my best round ever one was hung over to the worst extent possible. And we'll leave that at that. But Peace Portal, yeah, like yeah, it was unconscious because at the end of the day I wasn't thinking, I was just trying to get through it with my eyes just barely peeled open. Now we stick to like one or two fairways per round, strictly to stay hydrated, a little swing oil. But you brought up golf trips,
Favorite Trips And Dream Courses
Josh. You guys have taken a couple together. What's been your favorite place to play slash travel to? I'm pretty open about this. Silver tip by by a mile. Like for me, it's it's the only thing that was ever really close to like that wow experience was when I went to Northern Ireland. But it was just something about it. First ever mountain golf. It was my first, I would say, like real golf trip and something special about it, something that you go there that the views are just unbelievable, blow you away every single hole. I think other than maybe well, you get a really cool view when you're driving down to the first T-box, but other than maybe like the first t-shot, because I don't know if you can see mountains because you're down in the trees, if I can recall correctly, till you come around the corner. But like even the approach on one other after that, it's just like mind-blowing. You can look around the golf course at any point when you're on any hole and you're gonna see something, whether it's the Three Sisters or the Cascade Mountains or whatever it is. It's just one of the more scenic golf courses ever. Like that it's just I don't know, just to me, that's my favorite place. I love going there. I do stuff with them now, which is probably the best thing ever when you could get to film at the your favorite course in the world multiple times a year. So pretty cool about that. But yeah, just going to the mountains and Rockies can't beat it. James has seen it. I know James's favorites, a different course. I I don't know if where silver tip ranks on his scale, but that's mine. So silver tip's definitely up there, but by far my favorite is Grey Wolf. And if you guys haven't watched the YouTube video when Josh told me we were going to radium, and the surprise, the look on my face when he said we're going to Grey Wolf. Because I remember looking at my phone and he's like, Oh yeah, we missed the turn. I was like, No, fucking radium's back that way. We're going up the hill. And then I was like, what the heck? And then he's like, No, we're going to Grey Wolf. And yeah, there was definitely no tears, I'll put it that way. But there was maybe one. But no, that was I remember being in the parking lot and actually calling Sam because I was like, Oh, I really want to do, I was telling her before this, I really want to do Grey Wolf, really want to do Grey Wolf. We're right in the area, but we're gonna do radium. And yeah, I was like, Oh, we did we're at Grey Wolf, we're at Grey Wolf, and she's like, Oh my god, what is that? You know, because she she didn't really know what I was talking about, and I was like, No, it's like the course I want to play, we're here. She's like, Well, I thought you were doing radium. I was like, No, we're not. He was lying to me, he lied to me. But no, it's Grey Wolf, like silver tip, awesome. We did Eagle Ranch out there, another amazing course, beautiful course. But I think for me, Grey Wolf Cliffhanger. I wanted to play that since Josh posted it like four years ago, and that was even before I was golfing. I was maybe doing one or two rounds a year, and I was like, Oh, that just looks really cool. I'd love to do that. And I was able to fulfill that last year with the travel series, which was awesome. But if you guys haven't seen that video, make sure you head over to Josh's YouTube and watch it because that is actual genuine surprise. I'm not that good of an actor, so make sure you watch it. We might have to do a little clip right here and highlight kind of your reaction there in it. Dude, there is something special about getting out on a track with a buddy that you've been wanting to play for years, and like seeing that there's just something special. I I remember you mentioning Grey Wolf actually when we were out in Manitoba last summer. And dude, I I can't wait to be able to take my dad to some of the courses that he's talked about and do that kind of travel. And I think there's something special about that. That golf, like we've talked about, brings people together in a unique way that not a lot of sports can do, right?
Mountain Golf, Altitude, And Breaks
You guys both play a lot of mountain golf Canadian courses. What does the average American flatland golfer not understand about playing at altitude or on real terrain? The the distance, like the like I'm pretty sure I hit one of my drives like 375. Josh hit his 450, but like still, like to be able to hit it that far. And I can't, I think it was hole 12. I'm pretty sure my ball was in the air for like almost 14 seconds with the elevation change. Like it's just so cool to be able to do that, and then thinking that your putt's gonna break one way and it's the other way because it's towards the river or the mountain or whatever, is is cool, but very frustrating. Like the like you can see break, but it doesn't matter. That's that's probably one of the biggest takeaways from somebody who's playing a lot of flatland is it looks like it breaks that way. No, it breaks towards the river. It doesn't matter. What blows me away is how far people say they do hit their clubs. Like when I see when I hear people are like, oh, I hit my seminar in like 190, 190 yards, like 190. I'm like, that's what I hit it at like 4,500 feet. And like, I don't know. That's it's just how far your clubs would go. Like James says, like, that's probably the biggest thing, is and it takes a second. Like, I think it like I've heard some stats on it, like it's about 1% per thousand, but I think it's more because I would say probably go up to 4,000, 4,500. It's like a club different from like where I play at C level. Like, so if I'm hitting my pitching wedge, like on stock, it's like 135, 137. I go there, I'm in at 150. So it's a little bit more than a percent, right? Because that's four percent, whatever that would be. I'm not quick at math, I'd actually have to think about this. Like five. We don't do public, we don't do public math on the athletes podcast here. Don't worry, you're off the hook. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, no, that was actually because we did 18 straight days of golf, if you
Long Drive Tour Logistics And Burnout
can believe it. Only considered. I actually want to ask you, like, when you did that, how tired were you? And what was like the one time in that trip when you took that trip with Cal. And I know me and James talked about this, and James, you can ask a question if you want, because you're the one who brought this up, but like when the most win, did you go through and you're like, What did you ever have a why are we doing this moment? And you're just like you're you gotta you you know you gotta push through it, but you're just like I'm trained. Yeah, like honestly, once we got out east after Toronto, we picked up John V in the second sprinter van. Like, we uh we definitely had a couple moments there where it was some long days, some long driving, uh, hence the name of it. I'm trying to think if there was one specific moment. Man, having Cabot and like that stay in play for three, four days at the end was so clutch because we we hadn't actually had like a legit bed to sleep in, like we were just bouncing from a hotel, motel, whatever, and like figuring out where we're staying 15 minutes before as we were driving in. Like, there was no actual plan in place. So having that as like the North Star and to not necessarily wrap the entire trip, but like that was you know, 13, 14, 15, 16 day, that was kind of clutch. And then to finish it off day 19, have the Toronto Blue Jays beat the Yankees in that first divisional series round game one, 10 1, or whatever it was, like. That was sick. So we we just had stuff that you know kept the carrot ahead and kept us running. And I'm not gonna lie, we were fueled by fairways for sure along the trip. So defining that you you had a nice cold one at the end of your day waiting for you was definitely a bonus. But man, I mean no, I actually there there were moments that we were definitely low energy, but at no point was I like, why are we doing this? Because it's just such a sick story to be able to tell. And we do have all of the footage to what degree roster is gonna be able to put it together and make some content. Like, I mean, we should have filmed the whole Netflix docuseries. I mean, we told a bunch of people we were, and we still have it, but it's uh yeah, it's it's gonna come over time. It'll be cool to look back on. But honestly, even just maybe that's what we gotta do this fall as we're running this thing back for four like this 14 days, 14 courses. My work together. My my uh my full-time gig will not be thrilled with me if I do this again, but hopefully, you know, they don't listen to this, so we can figure out a way to you know get a couple extra sponsors and I can kick that gig to the curb and yeah, let's make it happen, boys. I I'd go full-time if that's all it takes, you know. Your your logistics, I remember like talking to Cal when we were at when we were in Manitoba, like the logistics you guys had on like going back and forth, because didn't you you went from like Alberta to like Manitoba, but then you went back back back out west, then you skipped Saskatchewan. No, we we we s we snuck in there. We where was uh what was the what's the double L? Lloyd Minster, whatever, like which is in Alberta, and then like Alberta. Cal well, Cal, we were like we were close enough to Sask. We ripped over. I can't even remember the name of the course because it's only a couple hours away. It is like flat. I mean, uh, yeah. And then so we we went Alberta, Manitoba, Alberta, Sask, Alberta, Toronto. Like wild. Yeah, a couple couple kilometers were clocked over the course of those 18 days. But man, like I think every day to answer your question in a very non-succinct way, it was like the story we're gonna be able to tell at the end of this is so cool that that's what's keeping us energized. And man, we met hundreds of people along that trip, right? And just to think about you know how we were able to connect with those individuals and honestly learn about the golf space too. Like, you know, that was the first time we were putting Fairway Co. in anyone's funnels and allowing them to try the beer, try what we were talking about. And you know, golf is such a boom right now that you got to be able to take advantage of it in what some way, shape, or form. You guys are doing it in the content space. You know, I'm trying to take advantage of it here. Obviously, every athlete out there to most degree plays golf, whether they play it well or not, is besides the point because you know, we can go out there same as you two. You can go out there and have a great time. You know, I want to be able to go to the range with you know Ryan Colkin, like I did, who's in the Montreal Canadians organization, or go in and play golf with Luke Gazdick. Like that's so sick because you can talk about hockey stories on the golf course, or you can talk about baseball stories on the golf course. Everyone can relate to golf to some degree. So, yeah, uh, I appreciate you asking that though. It's got me uh bringing back some memories, man. I'm fired up. I miss it. I want to get back out there. So it's a pretty cool something we chatted about last year before you guys even uh brought it up. We thought about doing 12 provinces, 12 or all all of them in 12 days. We're like, how do we do this? Like, because we had a buddy that was doing that was editing and film and filming for us at the time, who got his own featured film, but like he has connects to like potentially he's like, Well, we could film this as like a 12-episode series and sell it for like a TV show. 100% that'd be sick. So 100%. Which but then you just got to get the grants for it, I guess. I don't know. There's a lot more logistics behind it, but just instead of going out and spending all the money for for no reason. So that's an expensive trip. So between the four of us, I feel like we could muster up a couple connections here, and you know, you add Cal into the mix, and yeah, we could cook something up for sure between the four of us. I mean, 2v2 for 12 straight days. Hopefully, your boys' bank accounts can afford it, because mine couldn't, and I owed Cal a lot of money at the end of that 14-15 days. But you know, I'm gonna make it all back this week on you guys, or I guess this this summer, you know, if we'd make that happen. I remember last time I lost a 2v2 match. I do. Or no, 2v1. 2v2, no. I don't remember last time. Um yeah, no, go ahead. It'll come. Now the next L will be when you take on Cal and I. It's all good. Don't worry about it. It
Handicaps, Wagers, And Getting Called Out
won't be a good one. What is your guys' handicaps by chance? Oh man, I mean, I want to say Cal is probably anywhere from an 8, 10, 12, and I'm probably anywhere from uh 10, 12, 14. I really don't like saying that, but I'm saying it publicly. Like, uh, you know, it is what it is. Uh yeah. I'm eight, ten, twelve. James and James and Cal kind of wash. And then it's basically a 12 versus plus two. Yeah, but you guys are. What are you? Are you are you an eight right now, James? Is that what you're playing to? Yeah, well, I just I was an eight, one, two weeks. Like at the start of the season, I bumped up to a nine. But yeah, I'm a nine. He's dropped 10 strokes in a year. We uh we might need a we might need a a cal cameo right now just to come in quickly, you know, and be like make his case. Because I don't know, James. Do you think yeah, wait let's let's see. What do you do actually So here's the thing that I can see. So Dave, you're longer off the T than anybody that we're gonna be talking about. I know that you're if you're if you're long and straight, Cal's good with his wedges, you're good with your wedges. If you guys roll puts in, it could be like as much as Josh wants to say that yeah, we would wax you guys, but like like I said, if you're long and in play, because Cal's always in play, cal hits every fairway when I played. I don't think he missed it. Right? So you guys always have a sniff at it. But like I said, because you're you're so long off the tee that I think it gave you guys a huge advantage. All right, the last time I played a 2v2 was at Craig's last July. And I don't know if you guys know who this guy is, but Raddy Golf. Yeah, no, okay. So I've known Raddy for a couple years now, and so I invited him out for the Kragan's grand opening of their new red nine that they did last year, and we're just going out. Me, him, and his wife, we're just playing, just filming, doing whatever. And these two members like ripped up to ripped up to us. We are on the white nine. I want to say it was whole three, or I think it was three T-Box or four, ten yeah, I don't know, whatever. And rips up to us, and this guy's like, Oh, what are you guys doing? Filming for YouTube, and just you could tell like he's it wasn't a normal hello, like, what are you guys doing? Like, you could already tell, like, this guy had an angle, and we're like, Yeah, yeah, he's like, Wanna play? Like, right away, just like straight out with it. And I'm like, Okay, well, this is the first time I've ever been like actually called out on a golf course. So I'm like, sure, what do you want to play for? He's like hundred bucks each. I'm like, done. And at this time, I literally just came off like a 60, like literally before I went there, I went 64, 67, 66, 70. My last four rounds. I'm like, Yep, I'll play anybody right now. I was like, if that was if that was like Phil Mickelson walking, I'm like, Yeah, let's let's go. Because I was like, at that point, I was like, I'm playing the best golf I'm gonna play in my life. Yeah, first hole, Chip and Birdie for me. Second hole, I made like a I stopped onto like six feet, made a birdie. Third hole, I made like a 15-footer for birdie, and the guy's like, hand me 100 bucks. And we were playing like a six-hole match. He just handed me, he's like, nah, we're we're good. Yeah, yeah. I don't even want to finish this. No, he's like, We're done. Well, I hope for our sake that that doesn't happen. But yeah, I mean, hey, honestly, I'd probably do the same in that position. I'd push. I'd yeah, let's go. Well, I guess you'd have to. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if I'd have the balls to push someone that's doing that, though. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not unless you got money to burn. If you're coming off three straight 60s and then a 70, yeah, I'm all right. He should have asked that first before he challenged. Well, I think he just won money in their Calcutta for like that some sort of two-day tournament, and he was like, Yeah, I won five grand. I'm like, all right, I'll take some of your some of your weeks. Yeah, yeah. Don't feel bad about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But honestly, it was worth it for him to get into that content for a little bit. Come on, you probably gained him a couple followers. I was like, Yeah, I think Raddy's wife was filming from the side for some stuff. He put like he put a few clips of swings, and I think he put the chip in on there and something else or whatever, and then we put like that, he actually put like them handing us the money. I was like, that's hilarious. That's unreal. I was like, Okay, warholes.
Rapid Fire And Hot Dog Strategy
I got a couple rapid fire questions. Usually we try and call this segment uh the 60 second Stark show with two of you. I'm gonna just ask it and then each of you can answer quickly, and we'll see how the answers differ. We might stay on the subject for a little longer, but first question bucket list course neither of you has played. Pine hearse number two. TPC sawgrass PGA Tour Pro, you'd want to play 18 holes with. Brooks Capcom. Can I do a DP tour pro? Aaron Cockrell. Oh. I know, I like it. The most useless club in your bag. I was just actually thinking about this today, my gap wedge. The way I've been rolling in my putter. The one that I would never have assumed someone to say, but I love it, James. This is great. What's your pre-round meal? Depends on uh problem. Six dogs for stoller. This isn't hot either. Hey, I uh I had six dogs today, so the next question would be how many hot dogs have you eaten during a round? Oh, it's a max. The most I 15 and a half, and I was in nine. That was that gray wolf. You had to remember it somehow. Nine holes ran out. How much did you spend on hot dogs, if you don't mind me asking? Oh, okay. So here's the best part. Josh bought them all and I put them in a thermos. And I we pre-boiled them and put them in a thermos. I walked into Greywolf with two thermoses full of hot dogs. They said, Hey, do you guys have hot water? They're like, Oh, for tea. I was like, sure, yeah, we'll finish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they boiled the water and threw it in there for me. Yeah, it's on room 367. Don't worry about it. Okay. Walking or riding, 18 holes. I like walking, like to enjoy it, but I think for just everyone rides now. So if I don't know. Every resort, every course I go to is riding. It's it's definitely comfortable and you're not as tired after it. But when I walk some of those tournaments, I don't know. It's more enjoyable, I think. I prefer to walk, obviously, depending on the course. If we when we go back out west and Josh is like, hey, do you want to watch walk silver tip today? I would say no. 100% no. Yeah, that ain't happening. But for my every I do not remember last time I got a cart in Manitoba. Oh, I just got a great thing for a 2v2. If we did a 2v2 and went to silver tip, we should do a rematch. But the losing team has to walk it. Oh, I don't hate that. You got the quads out. I love it. I love it. Let's make it happen. Yeah, done. Lock it in. You tell me when. I'm there. I'm there. Best time to enjoy a fairway pre-mid or post-round. James, you're not allowed to answer. Definitely a post-round. Okay, there you go. I'm a big post-round beer guy. Uh, you gotta earn and earn your bevy, eh? 100%. Well, or like triple wash away what you just did. One of the two. I was trying to think positive, stay on the positive side there. Perspective there, Rutherford. One golfer, dead or alive, you'd put on this podcast or cut the corner podcast next. I would love to chat with Mike Weir. Nice. Great poll. I gotta go with my DP guy. I'd love to have Cockro on there. Back to back. Aaron, get he wants you on. Aaron, if you're listening, James wants to chat. He wants to share a hot dog with you. Just so everyone knows like we grew up with him. So he's a buddy of us. Yeah. That's unreal. Shout out to Aaron. Hey, we got to support our Canadians. That's our goal here on the podcast, amongst other things. Last one. Both of you finish this sentence. Golf has given me everything. Giving me drive, I guess. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. Maybe a little desire? Outlook. Outlook to to stay to stay good. Just give me drive to stay true to where I am now, I guess. Okay, so here's the thing. You know what I mean? Right? I don't want I don't want all that out there for we can cut that. But I mean, I think that's a like I think that's great. I think you well, you know what? Put it in. A drive to stay sober. Yeah, I think that's
Advice For Aspiring Golf Creators
amazing, man. Normally we wrap up by asking our guests their biggest piece of advice for the next generation of athletes. Now, I think it would be unique for you guys to provide one piece of advice you'd give to an aspiring golf content creator that you wish someone had told you. Ooh. Well, this is actually the best advice I've ever got. And he was just recently a guest on your show. Was relationship building is the most key part to content creating. Like if people want to, as a creator, you can have the best content. I know guys that have 80, 100,000 plus followers that don't make any money because they're not building relationships with people who are behind the brands, getting to know the brands and all that kind of stuff, or people at resorts, basically networking and relationship building, and them get understanding who you are and what all that kind of stuff is the most important thing. And I remember when I got that in that uh message from Mac when I was talking to him, I asked him, like, hey, what's like the key to this and all this? And he said relationship building. And in my head, I'm like, that's the dumbest advice. Like, what am I supposed to do with that? Because I'm like, I'm how are you supposed to build a relationship with someone by messaging them on an email or through Instagram? And it wasn't until I got let go of my job and then took this on full time and went down to the PGA show in January of 2024 when I was like, okay. And you start talking to people and getting your face there, and you're basically a salesman, I guess, in a way. But getting to know people and just basically when you're around them, being one of the boys right away, and it's just them getting to see you as the side of you instead of a person, and they want to be around you, just like how we all honestly, just how like we all clicked when we went on the golf course, and just like that. And if you can build those relationships with people, it goes a mile, and they'll kind of like I guess in a way want to help with what you're doing as long as you can provide them value. And but if they don't know who you are, they don't know who you are as a person, you can have 100,000 plus followers, and it's just it's just not gonna work, dude. Thank you for that. First off, a little shout out to the AP bump, but like also truer words have not been spoken on this show because it does come down to the relationships, and you know, kudos to you, man, because you had that happen and you've made an absolute incredible story out of your past year on the road, you're coming up on a year on the road with your family traveling. Like, dude, that's sensational work. Like, I was sharing this with some of my friends earlier, and like this is special, man. And even if you weren't able to do it full time, just to have been able to do it for a year is something that you can look back on for the rest of your life. You can share that with your family, but to be able to now do this and layer it in and have the like kudos to you, man. Yeah, thanks. We'll be doing it until October. It's wild, absolutely wild. It's crazy, James. The floor is yours, brother. Well, I get so much advice from Josh on everything, it's more like oh your camera angle sucks.
Consistency, Deals, And Community
You know, you need to get a shot tracer. So, in that aspect, if somebody wants to sponsor me for a shot tracer, I will gladly take anything. But no, probably the best advice is is from Josh, and he said, just be yourself. You know, you don't you don't want to be a somebody fake on camera because it's hard to keep that persona up, right? Like if you're trying to be somebody for the camera, it's it's hard to keep that up, and then people can see through that when they meet you in real life. And I I find that that's like that's the best. That's actually helped me get you know, a couple. I don't have deals like Josh does, but I do actually have a couple deals, nothing paid yet, but you know, just like a trade of services, which with 1200 followers, I think is it's awesome for me. So, dude, hey, don't worry, I gave Josh his flowers. I'm gonna give you yours next. You, sir, have a partnership with Bell Acres Golf. You, sir, have some golf balls, a product being sent to you. Bro, not a lot of people can say that with sub 1,200, 1,500 followers. So kudos to you for doing that. You are probably, and I can confidently say this, the most consistent person I have had on social media when it comes to sending me stuff so that I engage with it also. Like, no one has ever had the audacity to just continue sending me week over like every other day. I'm like, dude, this guy's fucking on it. I gotta give him like I gotta interact, I gotta engage with this. He's puking on balls and then hitting them. Like, this is absolutely no, seriously. I I I do like mean that from the bottom of my heart. It's it's impressive because I know the game I've been in this six and a half years, you know, 280 plus episodes. And yo, you guys are both uh doing a phenomenal job at it. And yeah, I really appreciate you guys carving out time to come on this show. I am excited to see what you guys build with Cut the Corner. Uh, that podcast is absolutely parabolic already. You guys have mentioned it a couple of violent videos already. So yeah, man, it's been it's been fun to watch you guys, the two of you, as a unique dynamic, and uh I'm excited to see where it goes. I'm excited to kick your guys' butt at Silvertip whenever that happens in that 2v2 match. Enjoy a nice cold fairway at the end of it. But yeah, you mentioned in-kind brand deals. I have to shout out the fact that Titanium Ford just hooked me up with a brand new Bronco. If you folks are looking for a new vehicle, head on over to Titanium Ford. Let them know. David, Cody sent you. You might be able to get a sweet new ride, some new wheels for this summer. Even maybe one that can store your golf club so you can play more golf, hit the range more, whatever the case may be. I sincerely appreciate Josh and James coming on this show. I appreciate you folks listening. Boys, it's been a slice. We couldn't get Cal on. He's doing a tasting for Birdie Juice right now at Trestle Creek. But maybe we'll do another one of these in a few weeks when we're at Silvertip. Hey, who knows? Who knows? Maybe something happens this summer. Also, let us know down below who you think would actually win this 2v2. You guys have all seen my swing, so I'm pretty sure I know where it's gonna go. But hey, uh, you guys got anything else? Floor is yours before we wrap this thing up.
Fairway Co Goals And Closing
What's uh what's uh Fairway's goal moving forward for you guys? Like what do you guys what's your long-term ambition with that stuff? Because obviously you guys are killing it. Man, the goal for this stuff is to get it to into every single golf course across North America and realistically around the world. You know, every round deserves a round. If you can't hit the fair way, at least you can enjoy a fair way. I mean, it says it basically the way it stated. I personally can't really drink beer other than this because it's got a nice little protease enzyme in it, so it cuts like 90% of the gluten. So selfishly, I just want it in courses so that I can actually consume it myself. But I mean, I the goal with Cal myself, like it's really just to put these two brands into every golf course, make it the celebration shot this summer uh during FIFA World Cup. Obviously, people around the world consume beers and birdie juice when they're on the golf course, so it's synonymous with the sport. And I think you know, the more people that get aware with it, aware of it, you know, obviously sit responsibly. But, you know, like you said at the beginning of this episode, people want to have fun. So we're just trying to have more fun. I'm doing a ton of stuff. I want to have fun with everything that I do in life, whether that's chatting on the podcast, whether that's socializing with some athletes, or whether that's enjoying a post-round beer after a 2v2 win at Silvertip, right? You know, the only thing I was just thinking is if I start drinking those during the round, that might be your only guys' hope to try to beat us. But there could be something with it. James could be my little secret weapon. If we miss a fairway, we should have to drink one so that we do have a fairway on that match. Oh, oh, oh, that's stay sober that whole yeah, that's your way of making sure that I get intoxicated, though. Because you know I don't make many of those. You gotta be careful. There's that sweet slot for me between uh two, four beers. Actually, every golfer, we've referenced this golf digest multiple times, but like that sweet spot, I'm dangerous. But yeah, if I continue to miss fairways, we'd be in trouble. So that's why I've been spending time on the range, listening to guys like yourself, consuming more golf content. Yo, this has been fun, boys. I appreciate it. We got the turf in the back, the new logo up there. Uh I appreciate you guys carbonate time to chat, help educate, entertain, and inspire this next generation of athletes and some degenerate golfers, whoever's listening to this episode. Appreciate you folks for tuning in. That's the pod, boys.
