Not By Chance Podcast

Productivity and Time Management: With Dawnie Williams

February 11, 2021 Dr. Tim Thayne Season 2 Episode 10
Not By Chance Podcast
Productivity and Time Management: With Dawnie Williams
Show Notes Transcript

Dr. Tim Thayne interviews Dawnie William. Dawnie is an expert when it comes to productivity and time management. She shares helpful tips that are simple and easy enough to apply. By the end of this episode, you will be wanting to try these strategies as well as teach your teens how to save time and be more efficient as well. 

Dawnie Williams:

I feel like there's not one thing I'm particularly gifted at, except this quote by Aristotle, which makes me feel pretty good. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then is not an act but a habit.

Talmage Thayne:

Welcome to the not by chance Podcast. I'm Talmage, Dr. Thayne son and podcast manager. Today, Dr. Thayne interview, Donnie Williams, Donnie is an expert in productivity and time management. She shares a lot of great tips today. And it can help you teach some of your teenagers those tips, as well as just help you in your everyday life. So without further ado, let's get into this.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

Welcome to the podcast today, really excited to have a great guest on the show today, Donnie Williams. This is as we get into her background. It starts way, way, way back for us. I've known Dani for almost 20 years, and she moved in next door to us, and we didn't realize how important that would be in our life. But it has been amazing. And we've been able to work together for over 17 years now. And and so we've been closely associated, and she's been my assistant, she's been over finance in our businesses and, and all kinds of things along the way. She did a lot of other things before this. But I've been watching her. She's remarkable in the area of productivity and time management. It's an area I wish I was better at, I have a little bit of a habit of procrastination. And that is the that's the outcome, I think of not doing a great job with time management. And so I'm going to learn a lot from the podcast today. And I hope all of you do as well. Everything we're going to talk about today applies individually, it applies in our families, it applies to to kind of foundational kinds of things that we can teach our children through through small steps to really understand how to make the most of their, their life and their time. And so I guess the older I get, the more important this concept is to me. Because time is running out. There's not, there's really not enough time in the day. And each one of our lives, we realize time is limited. And so we want to do the best we can with the time we have. And so it's has to do with prioritizing has to do with with discipline, and all of those things. So anyway, we have Donnie Williams here again, gonna bring her into the conversation now. And first of all, Donnie, thanks for joining me on the show.

Dawnie Williams:

Thanks for having me,

Dr. Tim Thayne:

I know that you kind of like to be behind the scenes a little bit. That's more your style. But you're so good at this, you have to come out on stage and and teach some of the concepts that you've been working on. I want to go back though, all the way back to when you were a girl in high school. I wish I had a video, is there a video there is a video, we have to pull it out. We have to pull out this video someday. So Donnie was in it? Was it a drill team? Yeah. Okay, a drill team at our high school. And there was a competition that I think was was pretty intense. And I'm going to have her go into all the details of this. Because I think it has a lot to do with our topic today has a lot to do with with some really important principles that we're going to come talk about. So Donnie, tell us about this competition in high school and give us give us enough color that you know that listeners can understand really what was going on and the I guess the the intensity of it, the numbers of people involved all of that.

Dawnie Williams:

Okay, so when you're on a drill team in high school, this still happens today. Every competition whether it's regional or Invitational or state level competitions and even drill team camps they they have some individual competitions. This one is called a drill down and it's kind of a Simon Says type of competition where one person directs and he all the girls get on Get on the floor and she says commands and you have to follow the commands and if you mess up your you sit out and there's judges all around that will come tap you on the shoulder if you messed up and didn't take yourself out and and so anyway, I just happened to be really good at the drill down. And so the number of people like probably the biggest ones is the state competitions. Our high school was in for a and I I don't know you could have anywhere from probably exaggerating, 300 to 500 girls I don't know about on the floor just they don't really count it, it's kind of just a whoever wants to come do it. And anyway, that it's this drill down and, and they, they get to do things by the numbers and make it harder and harder and harder and you're marching and right flank and left flank. It's a little bit like in the military, when you see them marching, those types of commands. And they just whittle it down until you till you get your first place winner. And I happen to win it three years of high school.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

All three years. And now that's a big deal. And when your drill down to the final person, what do you think went into your ability to do that? So well? What are some of the some of the things that went into that?

Dawnie Williams:

Definitely practice. I'm definitely trying every time. I mean, it started when I was in drill team, from the time I was a kid, I was in junior drill team. So for about eight years, I was in drill teams. And that was just something I always enjoyed. And that was fun. So I tried and I didn't get I didn't win when I was 10. But I started winning when I was in high school. Yeah, so practice and perseverance and definitely focus, and being able to zone out, you know, you're on this gym floor, and everybody's families, there's hundreds and hundreds of people and cheering and yelling, and trying to just zone that out, I guess and listen to the commands and stay focused.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

That's, that's awesome. You know, I've known about this for a while. And as we were, I was thinking about this podcast today, I thought that really is kind of an outcome of a lot of time management and productivity in your young life. You know, when you first started, I don't know how many hours you spent doing it, I'm sure a lot to be that good. And, and that took discipline that took, practicing, probably even outside of, of some of the drill that you did with teachers. And I think it really applies to what we're talking about today. Discipline is one of the top things, right. So you had the discipline and the focus to follow the commands, it's almost like a, you know, the discipline that we're going to talk about next is really the discipline to every day, think about the time you have, and then create a plan, and then execute on the plan as best you can. In a way that's kind of and then you do it weekly, and you have other ways that you do that we're going to get into your, your, your kind of daily time management practice, and we're going to try to to connect the dots for parents and listeners as well, that they can use this individually. But how can they also help their teenagers learn this critical skill? Now, when we were going to hop on the podcast this morning, I thought, when did the time management become a thing? You know. And, and it really is I looked into it, did some Googling and, and it really started to become a thing when manufacturing came to be. And that's the early 1900s. And, and there was some other things before that. But they really didn't coin that until like mid, maybe 1900s as when they start talking about time management. But there were a lot of these precursors to productivity and, you know, how do we get more done in less time? And how do we scale back our workforce and have those who are involved more productive? So it was interesting to see that. I feel like to as I think about the family, you know, is it is it went from manufacturing to it went to the office and then eventually into family life. And now, we think about you mentioned Franklin Covey in our conversation before we started, and in in his approach their approach. It is really around making sure that you have you're addressing the most important domains of your life, with the time that you have, that you're accomplishing things in those important areas. And it could be family and it could be work and it could be spiritual and emotional and physical. Right? Yep. So Donnie, can you kind of take us through what your daily planning is like, or your weekly planning. Give us some ideas about what you do, and maybe we can get some ideas and inspiration from that.

Dawnie Williams:

Sure. Okay. You want me to focus more about my work schedule? Or just life?

Dr. Tim Thayne:

I'd say I'd say life but you can get to use to use your word you can drill down if you want. I'm good at that does some of this real details about work as well? Sure. Okay,

Dawnie Williams:

so, um, I think it's important to, and this is perfect to do with your teens too, or your fan as a family to have a have a family meeting and just have everybody sit down with a piece of paper and a calendar and just have them learn about scheduling, scheduling out your week, scheduling out your day. And, and then thinking beyond that, you know, what, what goal, what are your goals. So, I'm a big believer that if, if you don't set goals, and you don't have a direction, you're still going to have no problem staying busy. I just think, especially in our jobs, you know, we come to work and the busy work can keep me busy all day long. And at the end of the day, I've worked eight hours, but have I really got anything done that's going to propel our company forward, or you know that my boss is going to be glad that I did and accomplished that's, that's kind of a focus for me to, as I'm scheduling things out, it's easy to fill in the blanks, and my task lists get crazy long, just because I'm a task. I'm a list maker. But um, so I just think about, you know, looking at your week, and plugging in the things that are obvious calendar items, timeline items, but then,

Dr. Tim Thayne:

so let me mention something here, Donnie, you know, the first. So the first discipline you're talking about is like a weekly sit down with the calendar. And if in families, we can do this, and, and I'm sitting there going, we should be doing this, and we're not really doing this, I think it would be immensely helpful to to our kids, if we would do that. So that's discipline, number one, maybe prompted by the parents, the next one you mentioned, which is really interesting to me, as you can stay busy all day. And I think that we have a tendency to stay busy on the things that we like, or that we're comfortable doing, or we're comfortable with, right? Not necessarily the priorities. And that's what you were mentioning that there, you're trying to align your task list and your your schedule, with with the priorities of the company when it comes to work, and you'd be doing the same thing. And I love the fact that you overlay the kind of the goals and the strategies, or the most important things that are trying to be done by the organization or your family. You overlay your that over the top of your calendar in a sense, and say, Okay, I'm gonna make sure that that I'm not just doing things because it's fun or easy, or, you know, whatever that is. And so it's prioritization, right?

Dawnie Williams:

It is, yeah. And I think it's important to include your family time and your work time. I mean, I really compartmentalize and think, when I'm at work, work gets 100% of me. And when I'm focused on my family, they get 100% of me and I've, I scheduled that in, I'm just a person who some of us gravitate to it, and the certain things can take over our week. And whatever it is, you know, maybe it's our church calling, maybe it's, maybe you you get, it's hard to leave work at the end of the day. But if you schedule it out, and fit in your different areas of your life that are important to you, you'll make it happen.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

So if we could peek into your calendar, and would we be able to see Donnie family time scheduled? And and we'd be able to see like work and kind of what's going on there. And I know you probably have your calendar, and you you have you use Monday, you know monday.com And you have that for your task list. Right? Yeah. And so how would that look to to us? If the viewer or the listener, if they could look at your calendar? What would they see?

Dawnie Williams:

They would see, they would see me go to bed really early at night. They would see me wake up early. Yeah. start my day with exercising, and meal prep. And then I get to work as quick as I can. And I'm focused at work and and then my night my evenings are my family time.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

i So is your work calendar? Is it just blocked out work on your calendar, and then you go to your tasks offline off there? Or do you keep any tasks on your calendar?

Dawnie Williams:

I don't, I don't I work from my task list. So my calendar will have my appointments or maybe scheduled calls just normally there's zoom links associated with those. That's up that would all be on my calendar, okay. But when I organize myself each day, I look at my calendar and I move those calendar items to my task list. So that I'm only looking at one place to work from

Dr. Tim Thayne:

today, see, look efficient efficiency, I already see it right? In that question. I'm like, I've got tasks in my calendar. And, you know, I'm looking different places, I love that idea. You know, get it into one place where you can focus in on what it is you're trying to do. Okay, so what else do you do every day that, that you think helps you be productive.

Dawnie Williams:

So because I, I handle the HR and finance at our work, and because of that, I get a ton of emails, I probably get 30 to 60 emails every day. And that creates about half the work I do for that day. I've just kind of evaluated and critiqued my, my work. And I've learned that so if i Some people feel like if you, if you get stuck on, you can get stuck on emails and be stuck there for three hours, and you shouldn't focus there. But for me in my position, that's where a lot of my work is created. So I start my day, reading all my emails high level, and, you know, I kind of use the two minute rule, if I can handle this and get it finished in two minutes, I'm going to do it now. If I can't, I'm going to move it to a task list item. You know, other other people who don't have their work coming in through emails, I wouldn't suggest you do that. But that works for me. So I hope

Dr. Tim Thayne:

everybody picked that up just now. Because that was another tip. I've never thought about you looking at all your emails, you identifying those you can get in two minutes, you get those done. And if it can't be it goes to your task list. That is cool. Helped me because I can do that. You're not something I can definitely do. Okay, what else? Yeah.

Dawnie Williams:

So um, so then once I get through all of that, then I moved to my task list. And like I say, I'm a really good task list maker. Why don't I know that this means I'm good. I can end up with a long task list. Yeah. But as I've as I've gotten better at working for my task list, I realize how many things I can accomplish in a day. And if I'm looking at a task list that has 25 items, that's unrealistic for me. So I look at I go through my task list, and I prioritize things. Urgent, meaning this absolutely needs to be done today. Or high, meaning this would really be really nice to get this off my task list today. And then medium and low, or pretty much this needs to be done this week, or it's really not that important, but it'd be nice to get to. And, and then it's easy for me to say okay, anything medium or low, I'm going to push to later in the week. So that I'm getting so that I'm not rereading tasks, I know, I'm not going to get to every day, I like to only look at the urgent and high things that I actually planned to do.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

And let me add something for everybody listening, Donnie reports to me, and every single day. Every single day, I get this, this task list. And I get what happened yesterday, at the same time. So you, you include what you did the day before, what was accomplished and what you're working on today. And I just want to say something I wish, I wish you all knew that not only is Dani productive. But she's got high integrity. And I think part of part of the way she she I believe Dani, part of the reason you're motivated to do things like track how long it takes you to do a certain type of task is yes, so you can get more efficient about that. But it's also in the back of your mind, you're trying to be really efficient for your employer. I know that that's really it, because you're trying to accomplish as much as you can during those eight hours. And, and so it's motivated by something really amazing to me, not just not just that I like being, you know, really productive, although I think you do. But it's also I want to be productive, because I want to have integrity in my work I want and that's really kind of another really fundamental reason I think you do what you do.

Dawnie Williams:

Yeah, and let me say something here, I feel like, I feel like the motivation behind that. I mean, so I'm also over payroll. And so I have to be mindful of other people being productive in their jobs and actually working the hours they're submitting. And it's just comes natural with being a payroll person. And just as it does for a parent, evaluating their kids, I feel like leading with integrity, and being the example in all things related to being transparent and showing your boss that you're, you know, that you're productive and worth your time is just goes a long way. And so I think all of us as parents and leaders in our work and home and jobs in all circles of life should really lead with integrity.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

Thank you so much for that comment, Donny because As you do you do that you practice what you preach. And I think when it comes to time management, I have to say, I am leading in not the best way in my home. And so I want to, you know, because I'm frustrated with my kids when they're not productive, you know, and I'm frustrated when they don't track how much time they're on the Xbox, or they don't clean up the room before they do this other thing, you know, so they're not, they're not being disciplined about what they're doing first. Yeah, that's natural. As a parent, I think, yeah. And so I see for

Dawnie Williams:

us too, like, that's one thing too about micromanaging your own schedule, you by example, will teach others to micromanage their own, right, because it's, nothing's more frustrating to anyone than to have somebody else micromanage your time, right.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

And all the nagging that comes, nobody wants that kids don't want that. But so how so that to all the parents out there, you know, that are frustrated with a lack of productivity on the part of their kids, it might be best to start with you. And I'm seeing that maybe that's the case. For me, I stay really busy all the time. But I can't say that I'm planning it out that I'm always prioritizing it, that I've got a routine that works. I'm a little scattered in how I do different things. And so this is really, really good for me, because I'm connecting dots right now that I've never connected, because I I have a bigger motivation to do it better, if it will help my kids. And if I can then kind of go to them and say, This is what I do. And I can help you, you know, with the same thing. So that's awesome, Donnie, is there anything else along kind of your daily routine that,

Dawnie Williams:

you know, probably, we should talk about time blocking just for a sec? Yeah, let's do. So everyone has certain types of work they do. Maybe you're a writer and you need creative time, you know, I do a lot of accounting, I need time when I can focus and my mind is clear. And I'm being accurate with numbers. And maybe you need to be on a you know, in your case, you're on the phone a lot, you have a lot of phone calls. And it's in there certain times of the day, for those that type of work that you're going to be at your best. And, and on the second. On the on the other hand of that there's, there's a certain time of day that that that works like you can maybe your do your best work on phone calls from five to 8am. But that's not realistic, your clients aren't going to be talking to you at that time. Right. But um, or maybe I you know, work from home, and maybe my kids are getting home from school at two o'clock, I can't save all my phone calls for that time where there's gonna be a lot of commotion in the house, and I'm gonna have a hard time focusing. And so for time blocking, and I do this daily and weekly, you know, like just being doing basic bookkeeping, I get a ton of invoices. And if I handled those, with each one that came in, I'd be spending two minutes all day long. That would be my busy work that just keeps me busy. But I try to push all that type of stuff to a certain day of the week, where then I can just that's my time block, I can just work all that get through all that pile of paperwork, or that pile of electronic emails, you know, invoices. So whatever type of bit of work makes sense. I try to time block my day and my week to group those things together, then I'm, then I'm spending less time transitioning from one type of work to another. That's big throughout the day, because that's the that's a time waster.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

Do you know what I mean? Have you read any stats on that? Like, what kind of lack of productivity that is when when we switch back and forth so much? Yeah,

Dawnie Williams:

I've, I've heard that. It's about a 10 minute transition, you know, if you're on a phone call, and then you've got to stop, you're done with a phone call, you need to wrap your brain back around reconciling this account, there's just a 10 minute transition of that naturally happens. Maybe it's just a break between the two, you need to stand up and walk around, you need to wrap your brain around where you were, you need to pull up your computer. Wait, did I have that open? Where was I? So it really cost you about 10 minutes of time, every time you transition from

Dr. Tim Thayne:

Wow. So if you're transitioning, you know, 20 times in

Dawnie Williams:

a day, which which we wear a lot of hats, a lot of us do. Yeah, I think that the more you can minimize that the better.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

That's a really that adds up. That's awesome. What else about time blocking you think will be helpful too? Can you can apply this principle a little bit to a teenager and what a parent might do to teach a teen about team blah, time blocking.

Dawnie Williams:

Yeah, I think with teens, it's really important to realize that they're still learning about themselves more than you are in that there's better times to be sleeping for one. I mean, that's huge for teens, right? They would all love to sleep till 11. Yeah. And, and as adults, we learn our golden hours are between 5am and 11. And so when we see our kids sleeping till 11, it drives us nuts. Yeah, so I think that's just one thing, be a little empathetic and realizing they're learning these things for themselves and help them learn it. Because maybe at certain times of life, they can be more productive at different times, then comes naturally to you. And that's not bad. It's just growing. Anyway, so help them help them realize, you know, and when I also think about time blocking, it's time blocking is for doing work that really matters. That's really going to get you where you want to get to, for example, if you're, if you're exercising, and you want to increase your weight, your capacity to lift weights, you know, set yourself a goal for what, two weeks, two months mean, whatever it takes, and realize you're not just going to be able to do it today, and then try it again in two months, and you'll be there it comes incrementally and, and help help your kids realize that it's really just plugging in small amounts of time to improve yourself physically, spiritually, educationally, you know, that, like, kids are overwhelmed with school, it takes so much of their time. But is it really sitting in school that is going to make the difference for their education? Or is it having an hour when it's best for them of focusing doing their homework? You know, help them answer that question for themselves.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

That's a really interesting, so that that does more to take the load off than maybe anything else. And, yeah, I think that this is a discipline that, again, that you start slow, you start or start small. But if it could be something that they have a real true goal around, like you said, you know, if it's something that they're passionate about or interested in, that'd be a great time to have a conversation about time blocking, and scheduling it out for a period of time and then measuring the progress over time, and teach them the concept of time blocking why you do that? So that's, that's fantastic. You know,

Dawnie Williams:

and for teens, you can equate that to money. Like, yeah, I mean, saving money or saving up for something incrementally, is, is another basic concept that if they can learn that, and be rewarded for doing well at it, is will suit them their whole lives, right? It will definitely,

Dr. Tim Thayne:

yeah, if there was any way you could kind of track or graph out a person's life in terms of money, or, you know, progression in whatever career they have, or anything else, if you could, you know, visually graph that out, here's Person A, that doesn't do any time management, that doesn't just kind of does what they feel like doing in the moment. And when the crisis, they'll do the thing they should have done earlier. But, you know, this is their life trajectory. And here's Person B that learns this young, you know, early in their life, the disciplines of doing maybe the things that matter in a time blocked kind of way, as you mentioned, those the things that matter, so you're trying to protect it, and schedule it, and not let anything is that the idea of not letting anything stop you from doing that.

Dawnie Williams:

Right. You know, and something else I will say about teens is and just, it's the same for us as adults, that the work that we enjoy doing that we like doing, that's going to happen, we actually don't need to focus so much on scheduling that in, you know, the Xbox time for a team is gonna happen. Yeah. And so if you could just help them realize, you know, you're so focused on this, if you just get this done, it will happen. Yeah, you'll have time for it.

Dr. Tim Thayne:

What do you think happens for parents and teens as they start to implement just a few of these things in their life? What? What would you guess happens in the relationship?

Dawnie Williams:

I would imagine it first it, it feels like friction, and, you know, being micromanaged. Excuse me, okay. Talmage

Dr. Tim Thayne:

can take care of that. Okay.

Dawnie Williams:

Yeah, I imagine that at first, and maybe maybe I can can explain our Monday board. Communication around that, because this is probably pretty comparable to a parent child relationship. So. So when our company does all started working from home with COVID, it was around that time, we had been using this this task organizing program called monday.com. And just as a way for us all to be accountable to each other. We started sending these reports you mentioned earlier, where I send you a list of my my copy of my Monday board. That is my task list for today. And then tomorrow, I'll send you what I finished or you know what I did accomplish that yesterday, and what my new list looks like today. Now I send this to my boss I sent and I also send it to my subordinate. And my girl who reports to me, she does the same for me, she sends hers to me. And anyway, we've got this going throughout our whole company, the leadership team shares with each other, basically. And at first, it was really awkward and uncomfortable, I could tell for all of us, you know, it's kind of like, I promise I work all day, but you don't really need the details, right? You know, it's a little uncomfortable sharing what you do, because you don't know if somebody else will see that as important or realize, or even understand what you do based on what your task list name is, right? Anyway, we, we kept it going. And we've we've done it now for almost a year. And and it really did take months of uncomfortableness and then toning in and getting better at it. And so I compare that to, oh, well, let me finish. And then then it became eventually something that is really, I'm the one that benefits from it. I mean, I feel like me reporting to you in the way I do holds me accountable. Because I read my task list as what is Tim going to want to see that I got done yesterday. And I end my day looking at that saying, What haven't I got done? And what will Tim say? Why did you spend time doing this when I really would have liked to do that? Or? And? And with a with a team? Okay, well, along the same lines, I could also evaluate myself and say, Gosh, I got to the end of the week, how did I see that on my list every day, and I didn't get it done. It's kind of it's it's accountability. It's embarrassing. It's yeah, it's vulnerable to put out there that yeah, this obviously sort of task I like to do, it's still on my task list. And it's been a week or a month, I mean, it happens. And so. So the transition of doing this with a team, first of all is going to be uncomfortable. And I would share I would suggest you do it both directions, let them know, let them see your failures, let them see, you know, this morning, this is what I intended to get done today. And it didn't happen. And it's and you're gonna have days like that every day of your life. But how do you compensate and, and make and fit it in tomorrow, if it's important enough,

Dr. Tim Thayne:

you know, again, there's that principle of leading by example, you know, allowing them to see your efforts along those lines and failures. And, and all of that is a great idea. It's, you know, sometimes you hope you wish that somehow your your kids would, would somehow have a peek into your, your good qualities or the things you're trying to do, they might see you, you know, exercising or, you know, praying or whatever it is you want them to kind of notice, because you're trying to teach them values. Same here with time, time management and productivity. You want them to be productive in their life, and, and why not let them see you working on that, too. Yeah, that's a great idea.

Dawnie Williams:

And one other idea I have is, you know, I keep going back to the list, I'm a list maker, not everybody is and, and that may be a concept that is really uncomfortable for you or your kids. And so maybe you have a different way of, of measuring that, you know, and like like maybe they've got a job and you just want to know they're not spending all they're wasting all their money. So maybe your measurement is you show me your savings account monthly. And I just want to see if it's growing? And are you and then then you have the conversation Do you feel good about how much that's growing, you know, how much you've made, you know, I mean, you could do the same with their exercise goals with their grades, you know, is that where you want them to be just think about the way you measure and make work

Dr. Tim Thayne:

in a way I think the younger they are the more this makes sense the the list thing and more you can ask for that. Because it's a job chart, those are your charts right? Those are the check the box and you do all this before you do that. So you're trying to teach them again the prioritization you know work becomes come before play feed the animals before you feed yourself you know a few things like that. And so that's the beginning I think of of this accountability you know, sometimes we can't govern ourselves alone and in our own little space, we really do need to share it with other people. And and I think most kids need that honestly, they most most do need to be able to report to somebody and and have feedback and possibly positive consequences or negative consequences if they don't accomplish that without you know, the nagging really, yep, let the let the list do the talking. And and then you just follow through without emotion on on those expectations. And so we get in some things a little bit like that. When it comes to issues with teens that have really hampered their life, like, let's say drug use, or they're up all night playing Xbox or on their phone, you know, their life really becomes uncontrollable, they're, you know, it's really out of control. And so, you know, real important thing that goes along with this is, is essentially identifying the expectations around that issue. And then letting them see if they can follow through and report on how they're doing. And it might be good to get to bed lights out at, you know, 1030 at night or curfews at midnight. And, you know, and there's some expectations around that. And there's positive and negative consequences about that. So in the sense, we're, we're sort of setting expectations through lists, in a sense. Yep. So this is this is all been amazing, Donnie, I'm really tempted to to see if you might be my coach. I mean, I have not taken full advantage of really just having your expertise. You've helped our whole company we have helped had Donnie actually teach our, these principles to our coaches, to our leadership team, and everything but I'm, at this point, I'm kind of going I think I need it. Life Coach from Donnie, I need her to be my life coach.

Dawnie Williams:

I would love to

Dr. Tim Thayne:

maybe we will. I know what that means is that you're going to drill down, so got to decide if that I'm ready or not. But when you're ready, Yeah, amazing, amazing stuff. Donnie, thanks for coming on the show today. And everyone out there. If you liked this podcast, please share it with other people. Like and share here on the podcast and we look forward to talking to you again very soon.