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#1350 - How You Feel About Yourself Is More Important Than What You Have

Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

Are you tired of chasing external achievements while feeling empty inside? What if the key to true fulfillment and happiness lies in focusing on our internal self?  In this episode, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros emphasize the significance of one's self-perception over material possessions. They stress that the most crucial aspect in life is not the tangible things we possess but rather how we feel about ourselves. They encourage listeners to shift their focus from external factors to internal growth and development. Rather than placing importance on acquiring things, they encourage setting goals centered around personal transformation and highlighting the significance of prioritizing one's well-being and inner fulfillment. True happiness and contentment come from aligning our actions with what is best for us on a deeper level.

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Show notes:
[5:40] The most important thing in the world.
[8:20] It's not about the thing
[10:16] 4 types of goal setters
[15:27] Tim credits Alan's guidance and the Next Level Business Solutions for the transformative impact on his business
[16:22] “What I have is far less important than what I did to get what I have”
[20:40] Set the goal for who you become
[23:07] Do what's b

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Speaker 1:

Set the goal for who you become, not for the result. Fine Love that If you're not at that layer yet. Set the result for yourself, not for what other people will feel about it. Set the result for how you're going to feel, not other people. That is the inner versus the outer.

Speaker 2:

It really comes down to who you become and who you help ultimately, Even though results are still great and you should still do things for results, but it can't be the only reason. That's it's got to be the. It's got to be for who you become inside.

Speaker 1:

Welcome to Next Level University. I am your host, Kevin Paul Mary, And I am your co-host, Alan Lazarus. At Next Level University, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for Dream Chasers.

Speaker 2:

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to Next Level University, Next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we teach you how to level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. We hope you enjoyed our latest episode. It was episode number 1349. What part of your childhood is still running you Today? for episode number 1350, how you feel about yourself is more important than what you have. The other day yesterday, actually, as of recording this, I went on the wonderful Jesse Browns podcast. It's either Inspire to Rewire to Inspire.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, rewire to Inspire. Yeah, great show, shout out to Jesse, great human being.

Speaker 1:

Great human being. I was our first guest. She absolutely crushed it. But one of the things we talked about at the end was, she said you've done all these episodes and you've met so many people. What do you, what do you recognize about, what's holding people back the most? And I said it's either You're either under or over when it comes to self-worth. You're either under or over when it comes to self-belief.

Speaker 1:

Okay, after reflecting on that, i had something that, if I could add, i would like to add. I think some of us spend far too much time trying to fix our external and not enough time trying to fix our internal. And, of course, it can be the opposite. But when we're talking about what we're talking about today, how you feel about yourself is more important than what you have How you feel about yourself in terms of the amount of work you've put in, how you feel about yourself in terms of your confidence. For the longest time, i thought buying nice things would bring me internal feelings. I thought external results would give me internal feelings.

Speaker 1:

But if you And here's the interesting thing If you work on yourself, and by working on yourself you start to get rid of some of your limiting beliefs And you start to build some confidence and you start to build some momentum, you start to get that stuff rolling. When you do start to get the external results, you're going to feel really, really damn good Because it's not going to feel like you're faking it. It's almost like there's two ways to get a tree in your front lawn. You can dig a hole and plant a seed, cover it, water it, or you can go to Home Depot or whatever store and you can get a tree and just have somebody bringing in and dig up a hole and then throw it in there. The second one isn't real. It's not like you really grew the tree. It's not real. There's a lot less connection to the tree, there's a lot less pride when it comes to that tree And I think of I don't know, i think of us like that. I know you love tree analogies.

Speaker 1:

The redwood the roots palm tree, the redwood and the birch tree and the palm tree.

Speaker 2:

I just think of it and the fruit and the fruit.

Speaker 1:

I think of it that way where, if we spent half as much time working on our internal stuff, if and when we did get the external stuff, it would actually probably feel good. It would be supplementary to what we already have, not why we're doing everything. That is the interesting thing about fulfillment. When you work on yourself and you start to understand, you know what I feel like this is something that can really fulfill me And you start working on that thing And on this journey, you have the opportunity to look in these mirrors and say you know what I'm insecure about that. Let me work on that. All right, cool, that's a pretty big weakness of mine. Let me work on that. All right, cool, that's a pretty big strength of mine. All right, cool, let me work on that. Where are these limiting beliefs coming from? going back to our previous episode about what are you hanging on to from child? All right, cool, let me work on that. And you work on all this stuff internally Eventually, when you start to get the external stuff, i think it just means more, because you it's almost like I you can feel more complete because you have the whole equation where, if you go out and get all the external stuff it's.

Speaker 1:

I find it's very, very hard for you to work on yourself internally Because it almost seems like you're taking a step back. That's what I did. You and I kind of had that. We were very successful externally. We had to lose it all to work on the internal stuff. I wish I did it the other way. I wish I worked on my internal stuff long before I ever worked on my external stuff. Now, obviously, same being aligned and fulfilled doesn't pay the bills. So, yes, you have to figure out a way to make money, but now more than ever, i have a firm belief that the way you feel about yourself, the thoughts you have when you put your head on that pillow before you go to bed, the things you say about yourself when you look in the mirror, all of that, that is the most important thing in the world, because no result is going to make you forget those things.

Speaker 2:

Kev you have not seen this, but that's OK. Our listeners, most of our listeners probably have. In the very first Harry Potter movie there's a scene with a mirror, and it's a magic mirror that Harry Potter stumbles upon and Harry Potter's family died when he was a little baby. And so the mirror shows your deepest desires, your heart's deepest desire. And so he finds this mirror and he looks in it and he sees his family and his mom and dad next to him, and Dumbledore, which is the wise character in the series, eventually finds Harry kind of like going to the mirror all the time because he's longing for his family Very beautiful thing.

Speaker 2:

And Dumbledore eventually says I need to move this mirror. Great witches and wizards have wasted away in front of it, because the mirror shows our heart's deepest desires. And he says to Harry he says, harry, the happiest man or woman on earth would look in the mirror and see only themselves. Here's the thing about the mirror, though. This shows us neither knowledge, nor wisdom, nor truth. It doesn't show us what's going to be or any of that. In this case, his parents are already dead, so it's showing him.

Speaker 2:

An impossible thing, and to the point of this episode, is how you feel internally looking in that mirror. Proverbially, it's like can we live a life where, if you looked in that mirror, you would see only yourself as enough? And I think what's interesting about this is that when you're young, you would see. If you had looked in the mirror when you were a little boy, you would have seen probably your dad having a dad. You would have seen a nice car, your dream car. You would have seen in that case you wanted to own a Winnebago with your friends and travel the country and stuff like that. I probably would have seen my dreams of Fortune 50, ceo, tech, company, influence, status, love, significance, impact, and I would have definitely seen a dream physique for sure, like I would have been strong, because I was really weak as a young man and it bothered me And I hit puberty really late, so that whole thing. But and then, by the way, ron, the other character, sees the mirror and he sees Harry's like, look my parents. And Ron's like, oh my God, i'm winning, oh my God, it's me, i look good, i'm winning the house cup, like you know. And so in this conversation here, i think young people, they tend to have these dreams and these desires and they're supposed to. What I find fascinating is that, as you really do become the person who can achieve those things, you realize it was never about the thing You realize. It was about who you became and the meaning to your point and the impact you had.

Speaker 2:

And so there's these four different types of goal setters that my girlfriend Emilia told me about. I've always known this, but she created this framework that I think will be really valuable for all of our listeners. The first one is the feeler. So the question is what's the type of goal setter you are? And again, this is working on the internal stuff. I wish I worked on the internal stuff first too, young men in particular, but for both men and women we tend to have these visions and these dreams and these wants and these desires, but we don't necessarily look inside at personal growth and personal development in order to get them.

Speaker 2:

For me, i was an achiever, so I looked externally Okay, i need to get this degree, i need to go to this school, i need to get these letter grades from these teachers, from these classes, in order to get this job, so that eventually I could work my way up to eventually be a CEO. And when I was 26, i got in a car accident and the listeners have heard about that story. Most likely And for the new listeners, we'll share about it at some point. And then Kev, at 26, same deal, not the same deal, but suicidal ideation, sort of when you're contemplating death, it really can flip the script. And that's when Kevin and I after that were like went all in on personal growth instead of just achievement. So we had both achieved a lot, both six figure earners, all kinds of stuff, achieved a lot of our dreams. And then after that we flipped the script and we focused on internal growth And then we both went broke. But now again that growth pays dividends long term, and now we're far beyond where we were.

Speaker 2:

Okay. So these are the four types of goal setters. The first one is the feeler. I think this is you, kev, the feeler. The feeler tends to set goals based on the feeling they wanna get, and this could be a feeling in the car. You always talk about how I just feel different in this car. I never got it. You know what I mean. Like, i feel the exact same in this car, fair enough, but I did feel a little different in a shirt too, so I kind of get it Okay.

Speaker 2:

The next is the processor. The processor tends to set goals based on the type of process they want to go through. So, like they picked their career based on, like, not the results they can get, but like what they want the day to day to look like. So for me, i wanted to be a math teacher, but they didn't make enough money. From my perspective, based on the life I wanted, a processor would have done it anyway. Screw it, even if they don't make a lot of money, at least I'll get to do what I love. Okay, that's the processor.

Speaker 2:

The performer that's me after 26, tends to set goals based on a personal standard. They wanna set The person they wanna be on a day to day basis. So I set a goal to be, you know, have a great physique. Okay, that's the standard I wanna set for myself. I wanna be that type of person, okay. So that's identity level performer.

Speaker 2:

And then there's the resultor. The resultor is tends to set goals based on the desire to bring a new outcome into existence. So for Kev, he's big time the resultor and feeler. So you're a resultor and a feeler. I'm actually more of a performer and a processor, so, and I do result too, and I think feelings last. But for all of us we can put these in order of most importance.

Speaker 2:

So the feeler, the processor, the performer and the resultor.

Speaker 2:

The feeler wants to feel good about themselves and they wanna feel good having nice things or whatever, achieving whatever dream.

Speaker 2:

The processor wants the day to day process. They love systems. They wanna do the stuff. They wanna do the hard work. They love the hard work, okay. The performer sets goals for the standards inside of themselves they're gonna have to set for themselves, okay. So they do things that are difficult on purpose because of who they'll become. And then the resultor wants great results. They want status, they want to succeed, they want wealth, they want health, they want they actually want outcomes. And we're all all four, but we have one or two that are big. And so, kev, what's your syntax? Same again. Okay, the feeler tends to set goals based on the feeling they want to get. The processor tends to set goals based on the type of process they want to go through. The performer tends to set goals based on a personal standard. They wanna set within themselves, the type of person, that's, the identity level. And then the resultor tends to set goals based on the desire to bring a new outcome into existence.

Speaker 1:

Four, one, two, three.

Speaker 2:

Yep, okay, so you're a and I agree. Yeah, that's what I thought too. It's so interesting I might be the opposite. Jesse asked me last night on the podcast.

Speaker 1:

She said what do you yeah, i'm sure you've heard the quote if you love what you do, you never work a day in your life. And she's like what are your thoughts on that? And I said I don't. I think it's false Because, for I only podcast. Think about this. This is weird. This is weird to think about, and only, but I only really podcast for probably seven hours a week. It's it. It's not that much. All things considered, right, that's not even a day. What do I do for the other 50 hours? There's other style enjoy tracking the finances, right, like I Care farm. I am so hungry. Right, because I'm dieting, but I care more about the result than I do what the day looks like.

Speaker 1:

Yeah you know I always have I. Just That's why I'm okay with suffering for most thing. Yeah, because you really want the result if I believe it would be worth it, yeah, i believe it will be worth it. I'm okay with suffering.

Speaker 2:

This is gonna be really good self-awareness for All of our listeners. And again, i want to bring this back to the internal, because why did I bring this up? If you're doing it just for the result and you don't love who you're becoming, that's gonna be hard Versus. If you focus on becoming the type of person you really want to become, you might end up with more results. Yeah, okay, so for me.

Speaker 2:

So Kevin was the result, or first the feeler second, the processor third and then the performer fourth. And the performer is again the, the Identity, the mastery, the, the standard. Okay, for me, i think it's performer first, i do think it's Result second, i think it's processor third, and then I think it's feeler last. And so, kevin, you wanting to go get dinner to celebrate, you know, out in California, and I was. I just was like I don't know if We should do that. I don't think I care that much about Like the feeling, because you're like it'll feel good to be like looking over the ocean and don't get me wrong, that would be enjoyable. I just that's just not why I'm playing. The reason I'm playing is for the men were becoming, and You know, getting dinner isn't gonna necessarily make us a better man.

Speaker 3:

At least from my perspective, and it might be like, yeah, yeah, it's full belly Yeah.

Speaker 3:

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Speaker 1:

So I did the post of the new car and I I waited, i wanted to really sit with it before I did the post because I didn't just want it to be a here's a car in What I I don't remember the exact part, but I basically in it said What I have is far less important than what I did to get what I have that if I think what you have is far less important than who you became To achieve it there, fair, and I think that that's fair.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, almost you had to, and then who you had to serve. Think about how many people you've helped. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I can't think that's one of the think you've touched their life in a positive way, if you were really to think about it.

Speaker 1:

I Don't know. It's a great question, it's.

Speaker 2:

Thousands.

Speaker 1:

No, yeah, yeah of course I just think of. I mean obviously you know we have 800 and somewhat thousand. Listen, It doesn't mean that's 800,000 people, because people Listen listen to the show seven times a week.

Speaker 1:

I don't know lots. Lot more than I ever expected, for sure. Yeah, more than I ever expected for sure, but I do think that is The. The car did something different for me this time that it did when I was 23. What why? because I didn't need it to. It's not why I did it. I didn't do it because I had a void that I wanted filled where I did when you were 23, 100%.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, i thought it would, I thought it was gonna. They thought it was a shortcut, kind of I thought it was a shortcut to self-worth and self-belief and all that. Can we?

Speaker 2:

talk about that because it's so weird. It's such a weird duality. Having achieving your goals like does feel awesome And I don't think anyone should ever take that from you. Like, no matter what your goal is, it's the best thing ever when you achieve it. So don't get me wrong, but that can't be the only reason.

Speaker 2:

I Used to say this all the time back in the hyper conscious days I used to say it's not about the trophy. Like winning first place at that fitness show was amazing because I Said I wanted to do it and I went through adversity to do it and then I proved to myself I could do it and who I became and what I learned and who I impacted and who I inspired That's what has meaning. Now. Winning the trophy also is awesome, but like, really, when you think about it, it's just a piece of plastic. It's behind me. It doesn't really like the trophy itself isn't worth anything. What it's worth to me Because that's a part of my life, that I invested, that and I learned so much and I and I grew so much through suffering That's what I think matters. And so it's like don't set the goal to achieve the goal. You still need to achieve the goal, but it's way more than that. It's who you become to achieve it, it's who you help Along the way, it's who you inspire along the way, it's It's what you learn along the way, and I think that it's weird because when we're kids We don't really know that.

Speaker 2:

I remember I used to look at guys that look like me. Now, when I was a young teenage, pre-pubescent boy, i used to look at guys like me and I used to think they had everything. I used to think, oh, my god, they have the hottest girlfriend and they have the nicest body and they're so good looking and They're so jacked and they and they, they have money. And I used to look at that and I used to be so jealous And it's like now that I'm that guy. It's interesting because it's not about that, even though it's also nice to be. You know, emilia's beautiful and I'm jacked, kind of depending on who you're asking Kevin doesn't think so But like compared to me back then, right, and it's just fascinating. I think that it really comes down to who you become and who you help ultimately, even though results are still great and you should still do things for results, but it can't be the only reason. That's it's gotta be for who you become inside.

Speaker 1:

I think The simplest form, simplest thing that I can throw out there is when people talk about purpose. I think we forget that purpose is reason. Yeah, yeah, like, what is the purpose of a fire extinguisher? The reason it was created is so you can put out fires. That's the purpose of it. That's what it's for. It can't be see.

Speaker 1:

This is the interesting thing. This is full circle for me, and this is the last thing I'll say. I used to think buying nice things would make other people value me, so I would value myself. Now, that's not why I do it. I value myself. I don't. It's not about that. It's not about somebody seeing me in the car and valuing me. Does it feel good when people do? Sure, but I don't need it. It's not, it's not. It's extra. Now, it's not. It doesn't go into the fund of Kevin needs this. That's not where it goes anymore. That's the big difference. I do agree. Set the goal for who you become, not for the result. Fine, love that If you're not at that layer yet. Set the result for yourself, not for what other people will feel about it. Set the result for how you're gonna feel, not other people. That is the inner versus the outer.

Speaker 2:

Do you think it's because we're very, we're very fortunate to be so significant in so many people's?

Speaker 3:

lives now.

Speaker 2:

And I remember being insignificant I do. I remember what that felt like, and what's ironic about this is You got that car and whatever, and it's just the car we're using as an example, but like the dreams that we're achieving now, you're doing it for a different reason now, but isn't it also because you actually have significance, whereas if you didn't, you would? you would be doing it for significance. So I think, in some ways, we're all doing these things to meet our needs and if you, if you, if you don't feel significant, is it bad that you do something to try to be significant? It is. If it makes you a worse What, worse off. So okay, last piece, i know we got a jump. If you're doing something only for external significance, most likely it's not gonna be what's best for you, whereas if you actually focused on what was best for you, you probably would get significance. That's the thing that's fascinating.

Speaker 3:

I.

Speaker 2:

Used to get significance from being the party guy who drank a ton and who could drink more than other people and I and it's like, why was I doing that? and now I know obviously conditioning in my past and I grew up around it, but I think it was significance. I think I I felt significant and I wanted the, the acceptance of my peers, and I wanted to be cool and I wanted to be, you know, a badass or whatever. And none of that was real. It was all a fugazi, it was all in a hindsight, it was all kind of It was fun sometimes and whatnot, but it was just kind of like a losing game in a way.

Speaker 2:

It's almost like you're playing a losing game. You can't really win that game because alcohol is bad for you. And if you, if you tie your identity up in something that's bad for you, whereas if you actually just focused on what was best for you, you end up, you would end up with significance. You'd end up with more significance and that's a. That's the conclusion I would like to drop for myself and for the listeners. Is What if you just started doing what was best for you internally, you might be pleasantly surprised with the results externally.

Speaker 1:

And if you Convince yourself that your external stuff is gonna fix your internal stuff. You're gonna spend most of your life doing stuff for the external stuff and you'll get it maybe Right. This this is, and I said I know, i said we'll go. This is very hyper conscious episode, what I talk about all the time on podcast. People say like, why did you hit rock bottom? Why was it so hard? Why did all that happen the way it happened? and I said my internal state and my external state were drastically different. My internal state was a House that was rotting from the inside out. My external state was a mansion. You'd never know the inside was rotting from the from the inside.

Speaker 2:

I you'd never know, you never know that and then you went to the opposite, then I went to the opposite. But Can you explain that real quick?

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

When you were broke, but you loved yourself. Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1:

You went to the opposite.

Speaker 1:

I was explained that real quick went from having more than enough of everything to an And and not valuing myself. No confidence, no fulfillment, no certainty. Yeah, not, i just I didn't like myself at all. I didn't. There was not a lot of self-love going on. Okay, leave the job. Very broke, very single, very lonely. No external results, nobody's listening to the podcast, nobody cares. But I remember I was walking around the kitchen one day saying like I'm just super proud of what you're doing, but you're doing some really good stuff and you're a really good man. You've worked so hard in your character like good for you, good for you. That's a winnable game. Now I just have to go get the external stuff. I'm good, i have the ones. You have the internal stuff. You just got to go get the extra stuff, that's it.

Speaker 3:

No, again, easier said than done.

Speaker 1:

But it's almost like it's it's supplementary, it doesn't, you don't need it, but when you get it it's actually real. It's real. That's the best way to explain it. for me, it's just The car is a car. I do feel more confident driving the car, but when I get out I don't not feel confident have It's supplement.

Speaker 2:

That's what you meant by real.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah got you.

Speaker 1:

I'm not faking it. When you see me driving down the street and I'm smiling or I look happy, i look fulfilled, it's cuz I actually am, it's not just cuz the car. I Looked the exact same in the car before, in the old car, whatever. Again, i know we're using that a lot because it's there's a lot of breakthroughs that have come with that, but it's that, it's it's it's that. I think that's probably the best way to to put it. This is a very thing, a very challenging thing to explain, but I'm glad we tried. I think we did a. I got one more Last thing please.

Speaker 2:

Alright. So Kevin went through The external was amazing mansion, for lack of just in this analogy. Okay, so amazing on the outside, not amazing on the inside. Then he flipped it amazing on the inside, not so good on the outside, getting rejected for muffins. And then now it's amazing on the outside and on the inside. There, and that is, is the journey we're all on. How can you get the inside and the outside to Be comparable, to be integrated, to be the same, so that who you believe you are and who you want others to believe you are and who you really are are the same? that, i think, is what life's about, and I think you and I personally are closer to that than we've ever been, which is why we're so fulfilled, because it's not ego And it's not faking it, and it's not. It's it's less ego and less faking it than ever, you know, and I think that that's the journey we're all on. I think that's what what maturing is. I think that's what growth is.

Speaker 1:

Yeah it's interesting. It's an interesting conversation. We went hyper conscious today. We did, we did, we did Alan and I I know we said this recently we said we were recording a course I Jeffed and I didn't order something. I needed a certain piece of equipment I didn't have. So I have ordered it. We are actually recording it next week. So we're gonna have another free course coming out in the next month or so how to Level up your self-belief and self-worth, i believe, will be the title. We've just realized, i mean, and kind of talked about it in this episode. That is one of the biggest things. The self-worth of I don't deserve or the self-belief of I cannot create. Those are really the big things holding everybody back, myself and Alan included in many parts of our life. So keep a lookout for that. It'll end up on the website, obviously. We will tell you, but it's gonna be another free course because, again, not everybody is able to afford or ready to pay for a coach or attend an event or a retreat or whatever it is.

Speaker 2:

So we will have it free on the website when it is done this episode Right here that we just recorded, is launching on Sunday, assuming that you listen to this within the first couple days of it launching. This Thursday, we have a monthly meetup, june 1st, 6 pm, eastern Standard Time. How to stick with something for the long run for rules in peak performance coaching rule 1 set up the train tracks. Rule 2 Stay on the train tracks. Rule 3 improve the train tracks. And rule 4, my favorite, never, ever, ever, lose momentum. Kevin and I have achieved many of our dreams and there's still many more to come, and it has not been easy, but one of the reasons we've been able to do that is because we could stick with this podcast for the long run. And Here we are, 1350 episodes later, still doing it, still trying to get better, still trying to get better, still trying to get better, and That's how we've gotten here, is sticking with it for the long run.

Speaker 2:

So if you want help in that, that is one thing we definitely know how to do And we will help you for sure tomorrow for episode number 1351, is your life based on intention or Accident?

Speaker 1:

hyper conscious, acutely aware, very intentional. As always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you and an L you. We did our fans, we have family.

Speaker 2:

We will talk to you all tomorrow keep aligning your internal and external next-level nation.

Speaker 1:

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