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#1395 - How To Use Commitment To Your Advantage

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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In today's episode, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros talk about how harnessing the power of commitment could propel you to your goals. They discuss the magic of commitment devices and how to harness our fears to strengthen our resolve. They provide examples of using fears and transforming them into motivations, pushing us toward our goals.

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Show notes:
[3:59] Struggle bus habit
[6:42] Create a commitment device
[12:56] Make sure the necessity is high enough
[14:19] Nicole shares her experience and how Kevin and the Next Level Podcast Solutions team seamlessly help her with her podcast 
[15:42] Visualization
[17:45] Fear will push you
[24:22] Replace your small fear with something bigger for leverage
[27:06] Outro

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Speaker 1:

I'm just gonna say this is one of the most. I mean quite literally, this is one of the most valuable things, yeah, that I've ever.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's the thing ever I'm a big fan. I don't have it.

Speaker 1:

In right now.

Speaker 2:

I wish you had Odin perfect.

Speaker 1:

Well, I could I could just say you know, I'm going to Commit right now that if I don't lose I Think that's I don't get to 170, but there's also a part of me now. It's like I don't know if I have to actually get to 170, because I'm starting to see so many like yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 2:

I See you.

Speaker 1:

I'm trying to think of, like Everything that wants. Okay, are we recording? we are recording.

Speaker 2:

How do I sound? am I close enough to the mic?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, everything's. I listen to the levels really good, everything's good. Okay, all right, ready. What are?

Speaker 2:

you plugging? Yeah, it's a great question. I Want to do the book club. book club What should I? do I want to do the book.

Speaker 1:

I want to do the book club. What else we have?

Speaker 2:

Hold on, got you.

Speaker 1:

Not a lot here to work from you know you should do.

Speaker 2:

We just finished group closing. Group 11 It's launching tomorrow. If you didn't get a chance to get into group 11, send us an email. Okay, reach out. We'll put you on the waiting list for 12.

Speaker 1:

All right, Yeah let's do it, here we go.

Speaker 2:

Just want to make sure. Is that where's audacity?

Speaker 1:

That's, i don't want to have audacity up for the intro. Well, that's, he's good.

Speaker 2:

Are you?

Speaker 1:

certain Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just No I don't testing, testing it's not going.

Speaker 2:

Yes, it is going, it's just zoomed out. Oh, i see.

Speaker 1:

I've never done this before. I don't even know what I'm doing. Next level nation. Welcome back to another episode of next level university, where we teach you how to level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. We hope you enjoyed our latest episode. It was episode number 1394 a simple way to break your goals down. Today, for episode number 1395, how to use commitment to your advantage.

Speaker 1:

Yes, we have talked about this in the past, but I do believe this might be the most valuable thing I have learned, practiced and taught Genuinely. I really yeah, i've learned a lot of amazing things. Alan's taught me a lot. I've learned a lot from books, mentors, coaches, guests, all of that, but this is something that has helped me out tremendously. Well said, appreciate that very much.

Speaker 1:

I was on a podcast That's how most of my stories start nowadays and This person was amazing, an amazing entrepreneur, great business owner and just a very, very humble human being. And he said What have you done to stay coach so consistent? Obviously, 1400 episodes and being on a bunch of other shows and having a large team and building is all this stuff right? What have you done to stay consistent? and I said necessity. I have a lot of necessity in my life. So I talked about the fact that when I was jeffing in fitness, i Went to Taren. I don't have my crisp hundred dollar bill I usually have when I tell the story, but I went to my wonderful wife and I said hey, babe, i need you to do me a favor. And she said absolutely, babe, what is it? I pulled out a hundred dollar bill and I said I need you to hold this for me and if I do not work out For the next seven days consecutively, if I miss a workout, i need you to rip it up in front of me. And she said absolutely not, i'm not gonna do that. And I said babe, i promise I'm not gonna let you down. It's already done in my mind. Because I needed, i just needed an extra layer of necessity. I needed some skin in the game. I needed some Potential fear or pain for me not accomplishing this. I haven't had enough necessity. That's why I haven't been keeping up.

Speaker 1:

So I talked to her and talked to her, and talked to her and I eventually convinced her to do it. And then I hit the next seven days. I crushed the gym and it went really, really well. And the reason I told that story on that podcast and I tell that story here is oftentimes We don't want to do the things that would actually get us to do the things that we know we should do. So Alan's the one who taught me about this commitment device thing. I used money because that is something that really, really Influences me, but what was the? where did you originally hear of this? So it's called a commitment device. That's why we said how to use commitment to your advantage.

Speaker 2:

So I have a client shout out to you, bradley, if you're listening. Bradley is super consistent, super disciplined, crushing. It been tracking habits for, i want to say, years now. I've been coaching him for at least a year, if not year and a half plus, and he's got two different spreadsheets that he's tracking on. One is peak performance tracking, one is something I call MIMS most important metrics and And he's crushing, crushing, crushing.

Speaker 2:

But he could not study. He wants these two licenses. So he's look, he's going for a series 65 and a series 7 is he's a financial advisor and He wanted to study for a half an hour every morning. And all of us I don't care who you are, i've coached people all over the world There's always a struggle bus habit. Always for me It's rating consistently. It's so damn hard for me to write first thing in the morning, it's so hard. For him, it's studying for the series 65 and So he's super consistent, super disciplined. He hasn't missed a workout. He's crushing it, crushing it, crushing. It Always tracks his habits peak performer, peak performer, big time right. But he cannot study. He could not study consistently, he could not. And I said, bradley, i have something that I'm certain will work. He's like what do you mean? And I said I've never had this not work before And I've done this with several clients.

Speaker 2:

Here's what we're going to do. I'm going to charge you double for this session And if you study every day from now until when we talk in two more weeks and you have all ones on your tracker, meaning check, check, check, that will pay for your next session. If not, if you miss, i'm taking your money. And I said the old me would have been bashful and not want to take your money. Blah, blah, blah. This always works. It always works Whether it's $100 with Kevin giving it to Teran saying rip this up in front of me if I do not go to the gym, or me with Bradley. If you don't study And Bradley's an honest, integrist guy He's not going to lie, he's not going to check the box when he didn't actually do it, because he's only breaking a promise to himself. And so if you don't have high integrity with self, this will not work, because you can just lie or distort or whatever. But if you have high integrity with self, which our community definitely does, this will work.

Speaker 2:

And I always use the analogy of two people want to run every day for their good health. One of them books of marathon, half marathon in three months, invites their friends and family and says please can you be there to support me, regardless of how well I do. Please just take the day, put it in your calendar. Please be there. I would really appreciate your support. The other person just wants to run every day for their good health. But doesn't tell anyone That first person is going to run consistently, not just because they want to run every day That's the aspiration, that's great But because of the fear of letting their family down, letting the people that they've committed to down. It needs to be bigger than you.

Speaker 2:

I'm so convinced of this. The NLU team is more consistent. Because of the NLU team. I'm more consistent. Kevin's more consistent. We are more consistent because we have a community of people around us. That's why group coaching works so well as well. No one wants to let the team down And so make it bigger than you. Create a commitment device And I promise you you will be blown away by what you do, because every excuse is going to come up when you don't want to go to the gym, or when you don't want to write, or you don't want to study Bradley, the excuses are always going to be there And you're going to take the easier road, because that's human nature, unless you have something Kevin referred to as necessity. Against that And honestly I was actually thinking about this Kev, when you were talking I would rather her burn it in front of you, like burning the $100 bill. Be careful in the apartment. Yeah, i was going to say I feel like that Light one of our cats on fire, i don't know. Yeah, no, it's too dangerous.

Speaker 1:

I mean, you'd have to rip it up many times more than just once, because I could just tape it back together. You just tape it back together, Exactly.

Speaker 2:

But it has to be human nature will do more not to lose than it will to win. That's just the way it works. Perfect example Imagine someone breaks into your house and steals $200 from your house That you're going to immediately call the police. You're going to do whatever you can, you're going to tackle them, you're going to whatever, but yet there's probably $200 raised at whatever work. Or maybe you could do Uber or whatever. There's a million ways to make $200. And for that same amount of effort you could go make $200.

Speaker 2:

But our brains are designed to fear loss way more than to focus on gain. And that actually goes back to the last episode where we talked about quarterly goals. That's why that's so powerful, because you're benchmarking up against something smaller And you're like, ok, if I can show up daily, i'm not going to lose at the end of this quarter. And I know that in Kevin and I's case, we're going to look at each other's goals at the end of the quarter. Nlu, we look at each other's reports. We have progress reports. That's why coaching is so valuable.

Speaker 2:

So if you've never had a coach or you've never done group coaching like this, isn't me trying to sell you my coaching. It's unbelievable what you're capable of when you have someone that's holding you accountable, when you have something to lose. I have my clients Sometimes. They're relieved. When I have to cancel a call if I ever do And I know that I get why I'm the one who's. It's my job to make sure you do it. I was on with a client recently and I said Rebecca, i said you're going to track or I'm not going to coach you If this isn't, if your habits aren't tracked. I don't like coaching when I can't see that you're on track. And it's not because I don't want to coach you. I want to see you win. I want to see you win so bad that I'm not going to coach you unless you track. And she's crushing. So, at the end of the day, put some skin in the game.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's almost like you have to risk something you love for something you don't. That's it in the simplest form. One of my clients was struggling with posting on social media And I said, brother, if you don't start posting on social, we're just going to be having the same conversation every single week. Your show is not going to grow. You're going to be very upset and you're going to regret it. Next level social media. Next level social media. This was even before Next Level Social Media existed. And I said what are the things that are most important to you? And we went through the list And one of them was training martial arts. He loves martial arts, so him and I get along on that. That's right. Make me a deal and make yourself a deal.

Speaker 1:

If you do not post on social media every single day, for the next seven days, you do not get to go to martial arts. For the next week You can't go. You do not get to go. You post it every single day. But it's the interesting thing And this is kind of an interesting thing too I was reviewing our episode Today. I say interesting so much, so I'm trying to make a conscious effort to not say it so much.

Speaker 2:

You do use that word a lot. I love that word.

Speaker 1:

I do too, but I can tell it's a crutch, It's very interesting That I'm leaning on it. Yes, thank you.

Speaker 2:

It is very interesting.

Speaker 1:

You can tell at how fast somebody says no, Because it's almost like all right, cool, What's the thing you value the most? I value fitness the most Cool. You either post on social media you don't get to go to the gym And they'll say, no, I'm not going to do that. That's because, number one, you know what's going to work And number two, maybe there's something else under the reason yes that you're not doing in the first place.

Speaker 1:

And we talked about that last week. on that specific example for social media, can we go there for a second?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, where were you going to go first? I didn't want to interrupt you. Oh, who knows man.

Speaker 1:

Ok, i just go where the wind takes me. Very interesting, it's very interesting, i'm just kidding Very interesting episode, very, of course. It's interesting.

Speaker 2:

Of course it definitely is. So when Kevin said there's underneath, so we did. We did an episode about what's underneath that.

Speaker 1:

What's underneath that? It was. What was the title? I do not remember the title off top of my head.

Speaker 2:

OK, essentially, what we did is we talked about when you are not taking action, you're procrastinating something. there's always something underneath it. That's a fear There's a fear that you just haven't faced. Same with this Whenever someone doesn't want to do a commitment device, they're either afraid to lose the money because they know they're not going to do it, or they're afraid that they're going to do it, which is going to make them face a different fear.

Speaker 1:

Well, maybe a good play. And again I think this is becoming the theme of the week, even though this is only the second episode of her recording. Maybe $100 or not going to martial arts for a week, or not exercising for a week, or donating $100 to a cause you don't believe in? Maybe that's too big, maybe that's too much of a commitment, too soon. So for me there's a reason. I said $100 or not $20. Yeah, $100. And again, it's not really about the money, it's more about the act of seeing a failure in real time.

Speaker 1:

And the act of wasting money. Yeah, but for me it wasn't really about that. I mean, i have that $100 bill on my desk still I don't know if I'm ever going to use it. So for me it's almost like a prop that just lives in my office.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I'm glad we have that as backup.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, just in case anything But there's a reason I went with that And there's also a reason you don't hear me saying OK, i'm going to set $10,000 aside And if I don't work out every single day for the rest of the year, i'm going to burn $10,000.

Speaker 2:

There's a reason Because that ain't going to happen.

Speaker 1:

So that would work. It would definitely work, But it also would put me maybe. That's what it is. It puts you under a level of pressure that you don't necessarily want to be under And if you don't have belief in yourself that you're actually going to be able to do it. So this is an early next level nugget. I think we're probably about halfway through this episode. I would say make sure the necessity is high enough, but not too high to where it prevents you from taking action in the first place.

Speaker 2:

I had one client who did the commitment device And I said, ok, i'm going to charge you double. And Kevin knows because he's the CFO, so he sees it's like commitment device. I put it in the notes.

Speaker 1:

I'm actually the one who's taking your money. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2:

He sends the invoices, so I'm going to charge you double. I said okay, i'm gonna charge you for twice and that's gonna go towards the next session, assuming that you do the thing She tracked. It was tracking Like, if you don't track XYZ, she tracked every single day And then she's like I don't wanna do it again. I was like okay, let's do that again.

Speaker 2:

She's like no, no, i don't wanna track, i'm not doing it. And I was like, okay, fair, and she's the only client that I have And if she's listening it's okay, no worries, but she's the only client I have that doesn't track and it doesn't drive me crazy at all, i promise No, but it's more of a master mining. She said the value of your coaching is not just tracking And it's like I know, but I also love when you track? But I digress.

Speaker 1:

You have anything kind of anything to add to that, or is that just kind of it? I think that's it. You're like really trailed off there towards the end.

Speaker 2:

I did yeah yeah, yeah, i just wanna make sure. I just want her to track, you know it's like I appreciate the master mining but like Public service and that's it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's all. Well, it's been instrumental for me, it's been instrumental for clients, and if you're out there, i would ask yourself what is one way you can put skin in the game. The other interesting thing about it interesting, get out of my mouth interesting. The other powerful thing about it I need better adjectives is that Here to get you at the source?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I need at the source Someone look up. Interesting for us It's almost Give a couple options.

Speaker 1:

Oh man, what would it? it would probably be no powerful, wouldn't? I don't know? I'm literally gonna look up some synonyms. It's interesting. It also is a real time, in real life visualization, of saying I actually didn't wanna do what I said I wanted. There's something about that where Yeah?

Speaker 1:

tangibilizes it. We've. that's a word. Tangibilizes is now a word Interesting There. we've mentioned this in the past. I do the 10 second rule, not the five second rule that Mel Robbins created. but I will count backwards down from 10 when I'm struggling to get out of bed in the morning or when I am just being a terrible person taking too long of a shower. And I've never not done it ever. Because if I don't do it one time, i never get to say that I did it forever. I know There's something to that.

Speaker 2:

I don't know.

Speaker 1:

I don't know what that is, but I always think about that.

Speaker 2:

Jim Rohn used to say if the promise is great enough, the price is easy to pay. I think that I've told this story before this. a long time ago, in hyper-conscious days, i told you about running around the block at night. It was reckless.

Speaker 1:

I do a few reckless things.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, i don't like it, i know. So I'm running around the block at night. It was like this two mile loop. You've, if you heard about the episode about me with the deer, you'll know what I'm talking about for the new listeners. I apologize, but anyways. So it's like dusk and it got dark way quicker than I thought, and so I had this moment. And it's deep in the woods. I lived pretty heavily in the woods And I was like I don't know what I'm talking about. I was halfway through the run and I had this moment of like. It is like alarmingly dark out. This is night time now. How did this get night time so quickly? and I guess I just wasn't thinking and I had this moment of like. Okay, my neighbor Texted a picture of a black bear, like in this area Three days ago and I I'm telling you yeah.

Speaker 2:

I wanted to run fast. I Do. I want to run fast, like just for my own good health. I want to run fast for Life and I want to time myself, and I was, i'm telling you. The thought of the bear made me run way faster, i'm telling you. So here's my point goals can pull you, you're absolutely right, but fear will push you. Don't overdo it, because if you overdo it you're gonna have anxiety and it's gonna be detrimental. But if you do it right, you can pull and push with commitment devices and inject some fear. Excuse me, just burp, excuse me. I've done this with clients before. Usually I have my Stone that I show on YouTube.

Speaker 1:

I can. I can I say something real quick. Of course, that's orange drink. Yeah, yeah, i could smell it. For those of you listening now you have a play-by-play and we're in the same. If you sense any weirdness, we should probably say this at the beginning of every episode that we record this week. If you sense any weirdness, alan and I are in Alan's home studio again because, yes, The audio setup is quite different.

Speaker 2:

I hate it. Yeah, no, I don't like it at all. It's not great.

Speaker 1:

I like that I can hear myself. But it's interesting that you and I are knee-to-knee and I cannot hear myself Yeah, so, but here's what I normally do.

Speaker 2:

I want you to take Your fear of not taking action and I want you to replace it with a bigger fear. That's all a commitment device is. Kevin is afraid for lack of better phrasing to go to the gym every day. He doesn't want to do it, he just takes the hundred dollars and says, babe, please burn this if I don't do it. He's more afraid to lose the hundred bucks and to let himself down than he is of going to the gym. That's all it is.

Speaker 2:

The pain is great enough, and so what I do with a lot of my clients is I help them understand what their deepest fear is, and then I try to say you, is there a way you could be more afraid of not maximizing your potential, or more afraid of Letting yourself down, or more afraid of regret, or more afraid of letting your partner down? Here's another one if you love and adore your intimate partner and you say I'm making you a promise right now, i'm gonna make you a promise that I'm gonna work out every day this week, you will do it. You'll do it for them more than you'll do it for yourself. I'm telling you that's a thing and You don't want to disappoint people. Our community especially is very others focused, very others driven, very hard driven. And if you tell your intimate partner, listen, hold me accountable to this. Like I'm telling you, i'm promising you, i'm gonna promise you that I'm gonna do this, you will find yourself way more motivated. You'll find a way. Excuses will go at the window. This is a very powerful concept.

Speaker 1:

Well, and for the newer listeners, we did a 10 pound and 10 week challenge. This is the worst. This was, oh my goodness, you know how long ago this was. We were just talking about how, how fast time is going by. This was almost a year ago, if you can imagine that. Yeah, yeah, cuz it was last summer. It was last summer before I went to Colorado. So we said publicly Alan and I will both lose 10 pounds in 10 weeks. If We both accomplish it, we're good. If Alan doesn't accomplish it, alan doesn't get to be on the first episode after we weigh in. If I don't accomplish it, i don't get to be on the first episode after we weigh in, and if neither of us accomplish it, we will miss an episode, and we've never missed an episode since we partnered up. That's talk about necessity now, here's the interesting thing.

Speaker 1:

Right now I am on a I don't know should I call it a diet. I'm I'm cutting weight. I'm cutting weight for a specific date when I, when Tara and I go to Belgium. There's a reason. I didn't say it publicly on here because it might get to the point where you decide not to do it. I decide not to do it because I don't know if it's what I want based on the amount of work. Or I might say you know what this is becoming detrimental to my life. I don't know, we'll see, but there's a reason I didn't say it publicly. And the other reason behind it is I don't think I need to create that level of commitment device to get the result. That's the other interesting Damn it. The other thing, too, is I do believe I am perfectly capable of accomplishing it without that tied in.

Speaker 2:

I am so in love with the fact that you're that hard on yourself with the speaking of the interesting.

Speaker 1:

I appreciate that wedding proof. That is the the standards kev has very close to you in here.

Speaker 2:

I also want you to be kind to yourself too. But I also understand and I also do the same thing. Whenever I say, um, and I review this episode, it's like oh, my god, uh, last thing. I promise, yeah, sure, Okay, for that 10 pound in 10 week challenge. I was so afraid, so Kevin weighed in.

Speaker 1:

And he was two weeks early, two weeks early.

Speaker 2:

That's how afraid I was. and I, yeah, i was. I was in trouble. I was four pounds over two weeks out and I was like in trouble, that's right up here.

Speaker 2:

I was in serious trouble so I decided to cut weight by Dehydrating myself and I actually tried. This was a little reckless, but, and I tried to do a marathon on a 90 degree day on a track, a very, very hot track, you know level set on the field. Yeah, it was reckless a little bit, but I ended up weighing in at 179. I could not believe that worked.

Speaker 1:

I was so scared. Which was 11 pounds, right, or was it 10 pounds? I was 11 pounds, you lost 11 pounds.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I lost 11 pounds, but not really.

Speaker 1:

Well it's It's a water weight.

Speaker 2:

I understand it wasn't real weight, it was water weight, but I weighed in.

Speaker 2:

But that's what we agreed to, yeah we weighed in I said the scale has to say, you know, below 170. Ah, I'm sorry, 180. But here's the thing If it wasn't for the commitment device and the commitment to the listeners and the commitment to Kevin and the commitment, there's no, the commitment, especially to never missing an episode. definitely, Kevin and I, when we first partnered up, we said, for better or for worse, we might not be the best business owners, We may not be the best, you know, at other things, but we will not miss.

Speaker 2:

And we never have broken that promise and we never intend to, and so that commitment device literally got me to do something that was the hardest thing I've ever done in my entire life, and so don't go to that extreme, seriously, but look at what you're capable of when you leverage this tool. So use it wisely and reach out. Let us know how it went.

Speaker 1:

I would agree with you, Last thing, that you gotta make sure you don't you don't wanna set something too wild, because then you put yourself between. That's why I didn't wanna do it for the diet. We are way busier now than we were at this time last year And that was detrimental to the business It definitely it was detrimental Because we overly focused on 100% fitness at the expense of others 100%. And I know I can't do it this time, it's just not sustainable.

Speaker 2:

It's not optimal.

Speaker 1:

Next level, nugget, figure out what is something that you value, what is something that you really, really want to accomplish. How can you pair the two to have a higher likelihood of accomplishing that?

Speaker 2:

goal Next level nugget, is replace your small fear with something bigger, so that you can get leverage on yourself to take the actions you really want.

Speaker 1:

We just finished filling group 11. So if you're listening to this, it's wild to say that, isn't it? It is wild. Yeah, i remember when we were doing the first one As of today. Our first call with group 11 was yesterday. So if you wanted to get into group 11 and you didn't make it, please reach out to Alan and or myself. The website is not changed yet. Nothing on the back end is set up, but we can get the conversation going and we can hold your spot and then make sure you're the first to know when things do get set up. They usually happen pretty quickly. So, kevin at nextleveluniversecom, alan at nextleveluniversecom, group 12 will be here before you know it, and we don't want you to regret not doing it. It's a great opportunity for growth and we can help you create a commitment device during the calls.

Speaker 2:

By the way, our emails are always in the show notes, True? Yes, is that true? Okay, so if you ever need our email addresses, they're in the show notes. We check our emails every single day, so please reach out, please. Okay, what was I plugging? Oh, i was gonna talk about book club, book club.

Speaker 1:

How could you forget book club? How could I forget?

Speaker 2:

So book club this week was actually in Sunday, but it's every Saturday 12, 30 pm, eastern Standard Time. We get together This is our 13th or 14th book People all over the world getting together, reading next level books with next level people And what we do is we pick three big ideas from each chapter and we just talk about them and everybody shares. You don't have to share Some people do, some people don't but it's a really really great discussion and at the end of every book club we set an intention for the week. So it's the point of the book club is not just to contemplate, it's to create new intentions, to create transformation. It really is a very transformational space and I'm sure you've seen some testimonials come through from book club and I love it. I hope you join. And the email If you email us, i will register you.

Speaker 1:

If you ever name book club, if you ever have a group, you think of naming it Contemplation nation would be a really good name, so Interesting. That's the. You know. If I can add anything to group club book club, that would be it To group club.

Speaker 2:

We are in trouble. I've never been invited to book club.

Speaker 1:

Nor have I attended. Maybe one day. Well, you're not as big of a book guy. I like listening to books.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

I listen to you speak enough. That's a fair assessment. On the week Tomorrow for episode number 1396,. Sometimes staying away is harder than leaving in the first place. Tell them. I did a post about this on Instagram and Facebook and I got a lot of love, so I thought maybe this would resonate with our audience and I'm excited to do it. Perfect, as always. We love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU, we run out of fans. We have family. We'll talk to you all tomorrow Stay committed.

Speaker 2:

Next level nation Nice.

Speaker 1:

Interesting.

Speaker 2:

Hey, can't.

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Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

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