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#1404 - 1 Of The Reasons Vulnerability Is SO Hard!

Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

Vulnerability, even to ourselves, can be daunting. In this episode, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros dissect vulnerability and what it takes to change for the better. They talk about what vulnerability means and the change it can bring about in yourself and the people around you. They discuss the nitty gritty of feedback, The Triad of Transformation, and the many ways you can be vulnerable and what it means.

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Show notes:
[2:48] Vulnerability is challenging
[6:52] Ineffective communication breaches trust
[15:42] John talks about his phenomenal experience working with Kevin and the Next Level Podcast Solutions team
[16:51] Constructive, neutral, and destructive
[18:36] True transformation requires vulnerability
[19:46] The Triad of Transformation
[24:24] It's vulnerable to say you're good at something
[30:39] Outro

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Speaker 1:

I had a Whopper a couple of weeks ago, dude, I don't know why it's different. Is it the mayonnaise Like? Why does it taste so much different? Oh, so good.

Speaker 2:

Burger King has great food. I've never seen a worse establishment with better food.

Speaker 1:

The one that I go to is terrible. It takes. I order online, I wait 10 minutes and I still sit in the drive-thru for 10 minutes Every single time. It's brutal.

Speaker 2:

It's worth it every time.

Speaker 1:

It is always worth it. I might get it. No, I can't get it tonight.

Speaker 2:

I maybe I'll get it tonight. No, no, no chicken or rice.

Speaker 1:

I got chicken. I cooked a bunch of turkey yesterday.

Speaker 2:

All right, we ready.

Speaker 1:

I think so man All right.

Speaker 2:

Hello, hello hello.

Speaker 1:

So you have 12, 30. Really, only get one done, okay, and then we'll schedule the next ones. All right, so this one is Friday's episode. One of the reasons vulnerability is so hard because you have to be vulnerable with yourself first. I'm gonna use the story of, if you don't mind, of today us. You're good with that. What are you plugging? I'm coming back. I'm coming back. I gotta get my. I gotta get together here.

Speaker 2:

Good for you.

Speaker 1:

You're gonna get together.

Speaker 2:

I'm gonna do book club. No, I already did book club. I'm gonna do the month of year, which is. I see what's happening over there. You increase your standards. I'm impressed. I gotta do it, man. You do gotta do it. Rest on our laurels over there.

Speaker 1:

We can't get entitled, we can't tell you how this whole thing goes down.

Speaker 2:

Definitely, that's a fact. Plug nugget intention.

Speaker 1:

We don't really have to worry about nugget, because it usually comes to us. But plug in intention, I'll do an ex-lovination, as always. Or do you want me to do free call?

Speaker 2:

Which is is your mental health hindering your growth?

Speaker 1:

Do you want me to do free call with you?

Speaker 2:

I do Okay.

Speaker 1:

Intention.

Speaker 2:

Communicate as effectively as possible the one big idea and share with people what I believe in and not.

Speaker 1:

Longest intention ever.

Speaker 2:

I know. Try to communicate with emotion and authentic vulnerability.

Speaker 1:

Nice. All right, ready, here we go. Next level nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we teach you how to level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. We hope you enjoyed our latest episode, episode number 1,403,. One piece of advice we wish we knew earlier. Dot dot dot Today for episode number 1,404, one of the reasons vulnerability is so hard. Happy frayay, if you're listening to this, on the day it launches. Also, alan and I are back virtual. Alan has his new laptop sort of kind of set up and that will be the basis for my story today, but we're virtual. Hopefully the audio quality will be improved. There shouldn't be any popping. We went to extreme lengths to make sure the quality was what we wanted it to be.

Speaker 1:

Alan and I had a fight today, not really a fight, but it was a gentle disagreement. Thank you so much. A gentle disagreement with some feelings shared after. So we were supposed to meet today at 10. And I texted Alan at 10.01. I said in StreamYard, that's our system. I text him in StreamYard, usually double taps it likes it, and then he shows up and he said, brt, be right there. And 10.05 comes, and 10.10 comes and I think 10.15. He's like, yeah, we're setting up this machine man, green check mark. Any time I get a green check mark or any emoji, I know he's trying to sell me on something. So I knew I was already a little triggered. And then so Alan shows up and we're figuring out the laptop and we're setting it up and we're figuring out how do we do this. It's going to be a little bit different today. Maybe we need to order some new stuff, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1:

And eventually this usually is what happens. Alan said hey, man, are you good, you mad at me? And I said I'm not mad at you. I'm having a little resentment because I feel like my expectation was that this was already going to be done and now I know we're behind and blah, blah, blah, blah and we vulnerably shared.

Speaker 1:

Now at times it's challenging to share that with you, not because of you, just vulnerability is challenging. That's the basis of this episode. But one of the reasons it's so hard is because I had to first go through those emotions on my own. There's a reason that when you said, hey, are you mad at me? I had an answer. There's a reason because for the 40 minutes prior to that I was thinking. It's like I'm a little upset, I'm a little annoyed. What does that mean? And I had to admit that to myself and I had to be vulnerable with myself.

Speaker 1:

One of the reasons vulnerability is so hard because you can't really be vulnerable with somebody else until you've been vulnerable with yourself. And that is a challenge, especially if you're already thinking if I admit this to myself, I'm going to have to admit this to my partner. If I admit this to myself, I'm going to have to admit this to Alan. If I admit this to myself, I'm going to have to admit this to my boss or my coworkers or my family or whatever it is. I think there's a reason we don't want to tell other people things because we don't want to admit it to ourselves first, especially if we don't know what to do with it. When we think of vulnerability, we think Sharing something scary with someone. We are also someone and I think some of the things that we share with ourselves are the hardest truths humanly possible. Because that's where it starts.

Speaker 1:

I can't expect you, if you're out there, to have a very vulnerable conversation with somebody without first going through it and almost creating an expectation of where it could go Right. So in my mind, my fear was Alan's gonna get mad at me and he's gonna say, kev, you know, you know how much I'm doing, and blah, blah, blah, like that that. Or he's gonna say you show up all the time unprepared while you're jumping on me. I had a fear of that. It's like, well, that's not really true. I'm usually prepared. But okay, in my mind I already had gone through what are the things that could happen here. That's internal vulnerability. It's me figuring out how this could possibly go, hopefully creating more certainty around having a conversation. But the point of today's episode is that how many challenging conversations are you having with yourself? Because I I would not expect you, if you're watching or listening, to be comfortable having a vulnerable conversation with somebody else that you haven't worked through on your own.

Speaker 2:

Well, how are you supposed to share a hard truth with me when you haven't first explored what? Truth is Right now I do think you can, with the right with certain people, actually explore those hard truths in real time. So, for example, when Kevin brought that to me so different with you and I back online, I love it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it was honestly, it was hard for me to podcast with you in person just because I was out of my element and my mic sounded different.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I was uncomfortable as hell. I didn't turn to the right to you, but now I'm looking straight at you in the camera.

Speaker 1:

I like this.

Speaker 2:

This is way better. This is way better. But back to what I was saying is first of all and think about in order to have a six. No wonder why we struggle with vulnerability in order to have a successful, vulnerable moment with someone else, this is what has to happen. Number one you have to understand what you're feeling in advance and you have to express that difficult truth to yourself first and work through it in real time. Number two you have to communicate how you're feeling to the other person effectively, to where they also understand how you're feeling. And then, number three, you have to pitch and catch a bit to get back to five or back to even or back to on the same page. The chances of all three of those things going well when you haven't practiced this are zero.

Speaker 2:

And I often say this, and Kevin and I, we have a rolling theme for every relationship episode we've ever done, where he thinks relationships are about communication and I think relationships are about trust, and we will disagree and agree simultaneously for the rest of our life probably. I say this the reason people think communication is the most important thing in a relationship, whether it's an intimate relationship or a friendship or a business partner, is because ineffective communication bridges trust. If you ineffectively communicate what you feel to yourself and then to me, now I'm not going to have certainty. What is trust? Trust is certainty that you and I are going to be good, that you and I can figure it out, that you and I are going to be there for each other. I think that if you can't communicate to yourself vulnerability, first figure out what that means. Then communicate to someone else vulnerability.

Speaker 2:

I struggle with the second part. I don't think I'm as reluctant to share hard truth with myself and I want to be vulnerable even in sharing this. And there's two sides of vulnerability on what I'm about to share. One, I'm going to share something vulnerability that is very uncomfortable for me, which is I'm really good at expressing hard truth to myself. I've always been I don't want to say I've always been After 26,.

Speaker 2:

That's when I started really looking inward. That's when I started focusing on a growth mindset and self reflection, and I think that when it comes to admitting hard truths to self, I think that that's been something I'm very, very good at Me. Even sharing that I'm good at something is vulnerable for me what I really am not good at. I'm getting better, definitely getting better. Working on it proactively is sharing hard truths with other people. So, for example, I am constantly looking at hard truths about my family, about my upbringing, about my friends, about other people in my life, and I'm admitting those hard truths to myself. I'm looking in the mirror every single day, metaphorically and physically, to look at all my weaknesses, to look at where I'm lacking, to look at. I mean, even in that conversation with Kev earlier, I was literally like well, what do you think I should?

Speaker 2:

do differently and you're like I don't think you should do anything differently. I think I need to change my perception, my expectations, and I was like, well, there's got to be something that I should change Everything.

Speaker 1:

And you're like change everything about yourself. Change everything.

Speaker 2:

It's all or nothing right, but that's the thing. Some of it is him and his stuff that he can work on. And then there's got to be something that I can change. I'm good at the give me the feedback, I'll try to change it and, you know, move the trend line in the right direction, because it has been slipping, quite frankly. But I think every single person out there struggles with one of those two. Are you good at giving feedback to other people vulnerability but not to yourself? I know some people like that. I had an ex like that.

Speaker 2:

It's like, oh, so good at giving hard truths to me, so good, but never looked in the mirror. It's like, wait, you're telling me that you think I should change that, but like, what about you? Like, why aren't you pointing the finger back at you? And then I have other people who can give every hard truth Emilia's like this, every hard truth imaginable to herself. Behind the scenes it's like unbelievable. But she does struggle to deliver hard truths to others. And so all of us, I think, are. And then maybe there's a third category of just avoiding truth altogether, and I think we've all been in phases where we were just letting everything go and we didn't want to face any truth. We wanted to just pretend we weren't out of shape, pretend we weren't eating wrong. Pretend we weren't in the wrong direction, pretend we weren't, you know, drinking too much, smoking too much.

Speaker 2:

Whatever it is, I've been there, oh, and it's fun in the moment, but it's it's ego, and eventually the chickens come home to roost.

Speaker 1:

I just never knew, what that meant.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, me neither.

Speaker 1:

Roost like a rooster. Are they even the same thing?

Speaker 2:

I don't know, I have no idea. Remember I, a rooster is a male chicken.

Speaker 1:

Okay, I have no idea.

Speaker 2:

Not a clue. So annoying they wake up. Oh yeah, man Definitely.

Speaker 1:

Maybe one day. I think we're going to have farm animals at some point.

Speaker 2:

If you have a rooster, I will not be staying the night.

Speaker 1:

We have a beaver who had a rooster. You're never I can't, I don't anticipate you ever visiting any of my homes. That's not something I I don't. I doubt it Very, very high. I'm okay with it either way, I'm okay with it we.

Speaker 1:

I used to talk about this meme that I saw that it was something along the lines of I don't remember it, I'll have to track it down. It was something along the lines of when you're so broke that you're afraid to check your bank account. I know there's some. I mean, if you've ever been that broke and now you've made it and you're comfortable and or successful, yeah, you can look back and kind of laugh at that. It's like, yeah, no, I remember those days. I definitely remember those days Absolutely, but it quite. It's very much what we're talking about today. That vulnerability is you opening up your bank account to figure out what your balance is. That's a vulnerable thing for you to do. Nobody else can do that for you. It's very vulnerable. I did a. So I went down to Allen's twice over the last two weeks and I was waiting for the dates over the last two weeks and Allen one time said zero resentment for yes, I am not upset about it at all.

Speaker 1:

Allen said to me one day when I was down there. He said this is the first time I've been somewhat. I think it was something like this is the first time I've been somewhat impressed with your physique in a long time. It was a kind it was no, no, no, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't negative. I just don't remember the exact words. You came out of the bathroom and you said that's the first time I've really been impressed with your physique. You look good, something like that. No, that's exactly how it happened. No, no. I know that I need to provide a little context.

Speaker 2:

Kevin and I. If you go back to the episodes in the beginning of this journey, kevin and I were on top of fitness.

Speaker 1:

Definitely.

Speaker 2:

I mean, god damn, you look, you know.

Speaker 1:

I appreciate that so.

Speaker 2:

I'm comparing to the highest version of Kevin that I personally witnessed. We used to have a studio together and we we were on top of it before COVID and then we drastically fell 100%. So I was trying to say it with love.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you know it was with love it was and it was received with love. I was. I was very, very grateful for that. Two thoughts One one of the reasons I'm working so hard on the gym is because I was vulnerable with being disappointed with the way I looked. That's those who don't always have safety tests on their hands. They're having such trouble trying to work their way to the gym in their weilries I'm I'm much in denial. In order not to allow Alan's feedback to get to my head, I recorded a video of myself last night, just going through some poses to see how I looked. My god, don't do that.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I did last night. It was the worst, don't do that.

Speaker 1:

It was the worst.

Speaker 2:

I wanted to get mad at Emilia for the photography. It's not the photography. You think this iPhone 14.

Speaker 1:

I put it on the kitchen, the kitchen counter. So there was no. Oh, the cat got in the way. It must have been the cat the cat's tail, but that was me trying. The lighting was actually good, believe it or not.

Speaker 1:

The practice that I was trying to accomplish there was I was trying to get more vulnerability. I wanted I knew that would be a vulnerable thing for me to look at Because in the gym I'm looking really good, I'm lifting heavy weight and when I take my sweatshirt off and I have my tank top on, I look really good. I look the best I've looked in a minute, but that doesn't mean I'm where I want to get to. That is a really good and maybe that's a different episode. I don't know.

Speaker 1:

The way that you give yourself feedback, I think has to be based on the level of self-belief you have. That's really what I think needs to be accurate, because when I looked at that, okay, if you have a level 2 out of 10 self-belief when it comes to fitness, you should be very proud of yourself that you're crushing it in the gym and you look the best you have in the gym in a long period of time. You probably shouldn't go home and rip selfies of yourself shirtless to get more vulnerable, to say I'm not nearly, I'm not even a quarrel of where I need to be. That's probably not productive for you. That's probably not productive for you.

Speaker 1:

The level of vulnerability to seek within yourself is probably connected to the level of self-belief you have, because vulnerability that you know you can work on is constructive. Vulnerability from a place of feeling stuck and I can't do anything about this is deconstructive. That is probably not a good place to be. So that is my next level nugget for this episode. Anytime you're anticipating giving yourself self-vulnerability I guess auto-vulnerability, I don't know, I don't know what the term for it is Anytime you're thinking about that, I would say is this going to be constructive, dependent on where my self-belief is, or is it going to be deconstructive? That's my next level nugget.

Speaker 2:

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Speaker 1:

Please.

Speaker 2:

Our team, oh my goodness. And all the graphics that you see come through Website, the ones that we put in the show notes, all done by the NLGD team. So shout out to the NLGD team. Okay, there's an asset that they created of constructive, neutral and destructive At all times the. If you are purposely seeking feedback when you're already in a negative emotional place where you feel terrible and have low self-esteem, it's going to be destructive. But if you're constantly avoiding feedback and so I'll give a tangible example I talked about in one of my blogs recently how I was watching a Superman movie back in 2012, 2013, and I was in corporate not taking care of myself, drinking too much and too often.

Speaker 2:

I was on the road all the time, so I was eating like crap, and I talked about how, when the actor in that movie took his shirt off, he didn't take his shirt off, he came out of a lake in one of the scenes and he was jacked and just just, it just was so much feedback that I had to leave the theater and I went into the bathroom and looked at myself in the mirror and just had that vulnerable moment of like look at what you've done. You let it go Because there was a period in college where I quit drinking for three and a half months. I was supplements, I was working out every day, I felt so good about me, right, and I just let it go over time. And so I would argue, and Kevin asked me my intention before this episode my intention is to have one big idea that blends in a way that is emotional and vulnerable. I am going to say this I do not believe anymore, after coaching hundreds of people, if not thousands, hundreds, for sure, people all over the world, thousands of hours, I do not believe anymore that true transformation can happen without vulnerability, because feedback is always going to create a moment of humble pie. It's going to create a moment of vulnerability and if all you're doing is taking hard, vulnerable feedback, you're going to feel terrible and it's going to be destructive.

Speaker 2:

But if you're avoiding feedback constantly and I, all of us know people who do that All of us know people who don't wear that certain thing or or don't look in the mirror or don't go to the beach because they don't want to put on a bathing suit or whatever and I, I have empathy for all of that, because I've been at the top of fitness model and I've also been at the bottom of you, wouldn't? You wouldn't look twice at me. This person's never worked out a day in their life. I've been on both ends of that spectrum. I'm telling you, the one where you feel good about yourself is the one that's better. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2:

But there's this asset that we have at NLU of a triad of transformation, and it's interesting that Kevin mentioned self-belief. If you have a self-belief of two, you should only take vulnerable feedback at a level two. This triad is humility, courage, vulnerability, self-belief. Humility is I am humble enough to know that I don't know everything and I'm humble enough to look in the mirror. Okay. Courage is I'm gonna stand in front of this mirror, metaphorically, and I'm gonna ask for feedback, either alone or from others. Number three vulnerability. Sitting there in the discomfort of the truth. That's what vulnerability is. Even before we recorded this episode, it's like I was just sitting there in the discomfort of. What does that mean about me? Do I have to change the way I do things? What does that mean about Kev? What does that mean about our business partnership? What is that? What do I do differently? Do I even believe that I can change that, especially with how busy we are?

Speaker 2:

That's a big one that's a big one. And then the fourth one is self-belief. So you have to have humility, courage, vulnerability and self-belief and if you can combine those four things you can transform your entire life. And it can be a small moment of the humility to look in the mirror at your physique, the courage to actually look at some of the things that are unpleasant, the vulnerability to sit there in the emotions, the uncomfortable emotions of wow, those love handles weren't there before. I had a picture taken of me at the lake and it was like, oh my god are you?

Speaker 2:

kidding me Like oh my god.

Speaker 1:

I know the feels. I know the feels, I'm leading to the right to kiss Emilia.

Speaker 2:

My mom took a photo of us fishing and it's like you know how, when you lean to your right and the love handle just kind of yeah for sure. And then the fourth one is self-belief. And if you have the self-belief you can transform. A lot of people struggle with that last one, so they don't want to be vulnerable, because if you don't believe you can change it, what if I didn't believe I could change my love handles? What if I didn't believe I could change my physique? What if I didn't? Luckily, the feedback is useful, because I know I can go work harder, I know I can eat differently, I know I can track my calories, I know I can weigh myself. And again we're talking about fitness here. But this is true for everything.

Speaker 1:

I would add one more thing, maybe a second, next level nugget Stop running from the things that you don't think you can change, because, number one, you can't outrun them and number two, you'll never actually create the opportunity and skills to change them if you keep running from them. It's imagine if you did and again, I have a ton of empathy for this because, transparently, the weight loss fitness thing is the hardest it's ever been, just based on the fact that I'm getting older, I have less time than I have. You know, there's a lot of things. There's a lot of things, but if you didn't believe you could change, you'd run from it forever. Or you find ways to mask it, or you find short-term solutions that aren't going to help you in the long term, and that just instead of looking and not looking at your bank account, vulnerably looking at your bank account and saying, wow, there's not a lot in there, what can I do? Maybe that is the thing that needs to happen in order for you to actually facilitate the change. Right, that's what I would say.

Speaker 1:

Again, a heart driven, but no BS. That's the heart driven, but no BS thing. It's it. Sometimes it sucks, sometimes the feedback sucks, but there are a lot of people out there that went the majority of their life without getting feedback and they never had a reason to improve things. And I bet you, if you asked them and they were willing to share with you vulnerably, they would say you know what I really wish. I looked in the proverbial mirror more. I really wish I did, because now I'm starting to own it. But I could have owned it a lot sooner and if I owned it sooner I could have worked on it sooner.

Speaker 2:

I'm willing to bet. There's a lot of people out there.

Speaker 1:

Sorry brother. No, you're, good.

Speaker 2:

Your pauses are very powerful.

Speaker 1:

Well, you know, can I add real quick, Since you interrupted me, I'm just going to double no take backs. I'm going to interrupt you real quick. Maybe this won't resonate with the large majority of the audience, but vulnerability is also admitting to yourself what you're really good at.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

So I want to throw that out there as well. There's a guy I follow. I could be with others, even if it's with yourself first.

Speaker 2:

Why is that vulnerable?

Speaker 1:

I had a coaching call with somebody the other day and I said what are you really good at, what are you better than me at? And this client struggled a little bit with answering. He always smiles. When I ask him questions like that, he always cracks a smile and he said yeah, no, I know, I need to figure that out and I think a lot of it's just internal. It's vulnerable to say you're really good at something, even to yourself, even to yourself. Maybe not for you. I think you're probably for you. It's with other people for sure.

Speaker 2:

but definitely with other people.

Speaker 1:

I think for a lot of people it's.

Speaker 2:

You're so afraid to come off arrogant that?

Speaker 1:

lands for me totally. What does it mean about me if I admit that I'm better than Alan at something? Does that mean I have an ego? Is that that? I think that's kind of how the cycle might work for you if you're watching or listening. So I want to add that.

Speaker 2:

Well said, thank you. Well said, yeah, living in the truth is the hardest thing, heaven. It is the hard truth, the good truth, the.

Speaker 1:

But living in the lies is the hardest thing too, eventually.

Speaker 2:

Long term yeah, it's short term. Short term deceit is comfortable in the moment, but long term pain, short term truth, hard truth, feedback is painful in the moment, but it's good long term. That's why you and I changed our life after our quarter life crisis. Yeah, you know, after the suicidal ideation that you talk about, where do you go from there? You have to face all the truth. For me, my car accident, that was it. That was our moment of truth. That's why we call it a moment of truth. It's like that in every film, every story, there's that moment of truth. We all know that's what inspires human beings. It's unbelievable. Think of your favorite movie Everyone out there listening watching what's your favorite movie. Think of that moment of truth, of vulnerability where the hero finally takes their power back and does something about it. I was watching Black Panther amazing. They did such a good job with those movies, man.

Speaker 1:

I haven't seen them.

Speaker 2:

There's a scene spoiler alert for those of you who haven't seen it there's a scene where he stands up to his father and it was like it gave me chills, man, unbelievable. And after that he went back and did what was right, because he finally owned the truth that his father did the wrong thing, that his father wasn't the hero he thought he was, and of course, that resonated with me because of some stuff. But these moments of truth are super, super powerful. I think that is all I have. Next level nugget would be you cannot transform without vulnerability. If you can't be vulnerable, proactive, life is gonna throw bricks at you, and I don't think you can really change without vulnerability either. I never used to think that. I don't think there's a lot you can change. Like, let's say, I was just like oh no, screw Kevin, what am I gonna change? You don't even need to think about it, you can get your ass beat.

Speaker 2:

You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna come down.

Speaker 1:

I know where you live. I was just there. I'm gonna come down, but seriously real talk.

Speaker 2:

What would I change if I wasn't vulnerable? I wouldn't. I would just change nothing and say it's all Kev and Kev's just being Kev. There's no transformation in that. I'm 34 years old, I'm more than I used to be because of these things. If you wanna become more, you're gonna have to be vulnerable. There's no way around that, for sure.

Speaker 1:

Unfortunately.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, if there was. If there was, let me know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been searching. I searched for a long time to find a way. I couldn't find it.

Speaker 2:

So if you have the answer. What was it? You thought a new sports car. Of course, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

I thought many things Sports, car, bodybuilding, trophies, whatever all those things but none of those did it. So unfortunately I won't say unfortunately, because I don't really think that You'll be more fulfilled when you do start doing it, and that is. There's many benefits of self-improvement, getting to the next level, becoming more hyper-conscious, working on yourself. There are many, many, many benefits of it, and many of them come later, but one of them is gonna be fulfillment. You're gonna feel like you're in control of your life. When you feel like you're in control of your life, more things are gonna seem possible, more boundaries are gonna be set. You're gonna get more rid of the wrong people, places, things and ideas. That is my belief.

Speaker 1:

Next Level Nation we have been mentioning this over the last few calls and many people have reached out to book a free call with one Alan Lazarus. It is a next level breakthrough session. Maybe you wanna ask Alan a question. Maybe you're trying to do a career change. Maybe you just wanna get to know Alan at a deeper level. Maybe you wanna tell him he's not as jacked as Kevin. I don't know. That's totally up to you. You can take the time to do whatever you want. The link will be in the. The link will be in the show notes below and you can book a time on Alan's calendar and I know he will be very, very excited to see you.

Speaker 2:

For those of you who are not on YouTube, Kevin flexed in the middle of that.

Speaker 1:

You flexed, first. No, no, I flexed. So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

I didn't want people to think you randomly just grunted in the middle.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, no, I appreciate that Modelog.

Speaker 2:

yeah, so I flexed and then he responded with a flex. So you're determined for yourself. No, I'm kidding. All right, the next level meetup, monthly meetup number 20, number 20 is on. Is your mental health hindering your growth? The answer is yeah, and physical, mental, emotional, spiritual growth is what NLU is all about health, wealth, life and love. This one's gonna be about self-esteem, about how you feel about yourself, about self-concept, about are you building self-esteem, are you building self-worth, are you building self-belief? Are you do you feel good about yourself? Do you take time alone for yourself? Are you doing self-care? So it's all gonna be about mental health and we are super excited about that. It is on August 10th 2023 at 6 pm Eastern Standard Time. I do not know why I had to say 2023. It is this year. The linked register will be in the show now.

Speaker 1:

Tomorrow for episode number 1405, a little Saturday podcast. Can you be too loyal? I had a very powerful conversation with somebody recently and based on that conversation and the things that happened, I thought that would be a very valuable episode to do, because I think many of us assume loyalty is good and I would agree with you, but I think you can also take it way too far and it can hold you back in many different ways. So we will talk about that tomorrow. As always, we love you, we appreciate you, we are grateful for each and every one of you and NLU. We do not have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Speaker 2:

Stay vulnerable. Next up on Nation.

Speaker 1:

Boom.

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