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#1440 - The Pain That Comes With New Awareness
In this episode, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros talk about painfully realizing your lesser-aware past self when you look back in the past, which is frequently accompanied by embarrassment or regret. They discuss embracing that discomfort and utilizing it to fuel your journey to self-awareness and growth. They delve into the heart of personal development and its life-altering power. They also unveil the responsibility that comes with awareness, especially regarding how we treat our partners, and they highlight striving for success rather than waiting for it to appear magically.
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Show notes:
[4:25] Pain with new awareness
[11:15] Two pains when looking back
[18:51] Austin shares his top-notch experience working with Kevin under Next Level Podcast Solutions
[19:42] Why people say "ignorance is bliss"
[25:42] What Kevin would say to his past self
[31:28] Growing pains are required to grow
[34:39] Outro
Next level nation. Welcome back to another episode of next level university, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. We hope you enjoyed our latest episode, episode number 1439. Adding one word to this question changes everything. That word is how, today, for episode number one thousand four hundred and forty, the pain that comes with new awareness. Alan told me I should tell this story and I said I will do it for the cause, because if it helps the audience, if it helps the NLU family, it is all worth it.
Speaker 1:Believe it or not, I Wasn't always as charming as I am today and good with the ladies, aka one lady, my wife. When I was younger I had no idea, and when I say younger I mean, I don't know, 18 to 22. I I really had no idea what I was doing with the ladies and I got ghosted and I got next it and I got stood up many, many, many, many times, many times, more often than I would care to admit publicly or even privately. But One day I was going through my old DMs on Facebook, so Facebook Messenger. I don't know what I was doing. I think I was. I Don't know if I was looking at people I used to coach or whatever I was doing, I don't know, but I ended up getting into some old DMs that I had sent to people and it's very abundantly clear that I have no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 1:I I wasn't disrespectful, but I just wasn't very aware of how to have an effective communication with another human being and it was Embarrassing. Some of the things I said I don't have any off the top of my head. I'd have to go through and I don't even know if they're there anymore because it was so long ago. But it was just bad. It was the awareness that I have today as a speaker and as a man and as an individual. It's painful for me to look back on those old conversations with this new awareness, with regret, with embarrassment. Luckily there's not a ton of shame because I, like I said I didn't, I wasn't bad or negative or toxic, but there's definitely some shame for the way that I, the ignorance that I had, I would, I at that point my life, assumed if you poke fun at someone, they're gonna like you.
Speaker 1:The old playground thing where if you pick on somebody, they that's what they want. They want you to pick on them a little bit and then they're gonna like you. I don't think that's really the case. I Think it works in the movies and in cartoons and TV shows. I think that works in real life. Now, upon Retro Spect, in retrospect, that is the lesson I had learned. So Alan challenged me to tell that because I think we probably all have Some of that in our lives.
Speaker 2:I'm sure if Alan went back, not off the top of my head.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm gonna try to find one God that would be awesome. That would be awesome. I'm sure you Probably have a similar experience, Definitely. I mean I know we're poking fun at my lack of communication skills in the past.
Speaker 2:I think Low awareness. You, you don't know what you don't know until you know.
Speaker 2:And then Then you know and then you know, and then you know, this is the cycle that I have for this episode. So, kev, when he looks back at his old messages, his old massages, he is embarrassed I and the reason why is because he didn't know what the hell he was doing. But he also didn't know that he didn't know. And the point of this episode is the pain that comes with new awareness. So when we look back at old content, when we look back at old messages that we sent, when we look back at old photographs, if we are growing, if we are improving, if we are getting better every single day like NLU talks about holistic self-improvement in your pocket, from anywhere, completely free so if we are getting better every single day incremental improvement, holistic improvement then when we look back, it should be, it should be painful, and that doesn't mean I want you to live in pain. That doesn't mean I want you to live in shame. That doesn't mean I want you to beat yourself up, but I do think there's a cycle that we can all run, and here it is. New awareness brings pain. So Kevin has a new awareness of, let's say, he says more filler words when he speaks than he originally thought. I'm in that same boat. So new awareness. Kevin and I use filler words. We say like, we say um, we say you know he uses the word interesting. Every other word I'm kidding, but you used to Okay. So that's a new awareness. New awareness brings the mirror, brings pain.
Speaker 2:All of us have had that situation where a picture of us got posted on Facebook and we got tagged and it was like there's no way, that is actually what I look like. Oh my God, please take that photo down. Maybe you were wasted, like me. Maybe you were shirtless like me, maybe just maybe it looks like you peed yourself, like me. I don't think I did. I think I was at a lake and I don't think it was that. But I remember a picture getting posted and me having so much pain because not only was I unaware of some of my behavior that night because I drank too much, but I also now that was public for everyone to see. So new awareness brings pain. That is a fact of life, kevin, and I don't want to sugarcoat things. We can only help you with the truth, and that's the truth. But pain also brings an opportunity for growth. So now that Kevin reflects back and real God it's brutal, I'm so grateful that you're willing to share this.
Speaker 1:I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2:This is the vulnerable stuff right here. So this is an opportunity for growth. Kevin's going to reflect on this with all of us, and all of us can look at our mistakes of our past, and then we can learn and invest that learning, that lesson, into the future. And so this is it Step one new awareness. Step two pain. Step three opportunity for growth. Step four try something new, learn something new. And then, when you learn something new, it brings new awareness. So then you get pain again. This is a cycle. This is why Kevin and I talk so often about failing forward. This is why we talk about growing pains. This is why we've done at least 10 episodes on some form of growing pains, because you don't know what you don't know. And then, when you do learn it, you look back and you go rough. And so I want to read this. Someone posted this online. I want to read this quickly, and then we're going to.
Speaker 1:You maybe want to pull one up too, maybe meet some more in the middle.
Speaker 2:No, mostly just you on this one. So this was posted by Tom Billu. He said when I think about what I was capable of 10 years ago, I am embarrassed. If you aren't embarrassed by who you were even a year ago, you're just not learning enough Now. I think that's extreme, I think that's intense.
Speaker 2:I don't necessarily agree with it 10 out of 10. But I do know that if a decade goes by and you don't see photos of you 10 years ago, you should, you should, you should go. Ah, wow, I really didn't know what I was doing, because that is proof of how much you've grown. So I would much rather you have the pain of looking back and realizing you didn't know what you were doing than the pain of looking back and realizing that you've let yourself slip and that you've gotten worse, not better. So at the end of the day, there is no new awareness, no difficult truth, no, no mirror that you can look in. That isn't going to bring some form of pain. But there's a big difference between pain and suffering, and there's a big difference between someone who avoids pain and doesn't change and doesn't grow and doesn't contribute, versus someone who takes pain and transforms it. I said transform your pain into empowerment.
Speaker 1:You want me to go now?
Speaker 2:I think that would be great.
Speaker 1:You don't have anything else to say, or you could say some more if you want. Yeah, anything else you want to say, Okay this is January 30th 2008 at 7.25 pm 2008. So we graduated high school in 2007.
Speaker 2:This is a long time ago. This means you were 17 or 18 years old, probably 18 years old. Oh, this is gonna be brutal.
Speaker 1:This was my first Facebook message to this young lady who I don't even know how I knew. What up man. One day we'll have to see who knows how to work out better. Give me. I don't even know what I was saying. Huh, give me an. Oh, give me an. I am some time or something. I know you're busy, why? Oh, you are. Ha ha, bye, bye. Exclamation, all caps by bye. She actually answered me. Believe it or not? Ha ha. Well, I do that. If I had your screen name and I got money on myself, then she gave me your screen name and then I Mean it's honestly, all things consider. The conversation went pretty well, but looking back on the way that what up man and I spelled your wrong while you are, that's like a cardinal sin when you're talking to anybody. It's not that this is particularly embarrassing, but it's very, it's very easy to see the lack of awareness I had at that time.
Speaker 2:What can we learn from this? One of my favorite questions in the whole world. How many times have I asked you that?
Speaker 1:Oh, so, so often what can we learn from this?
Speaker 2:Besides that, you were a dingo.
Speaker 1:I was a bit of a ding-a-bong. Just I was kind, I was, I was very kind, I just thought I have, I'm literally Joe, I know, I know, I know you're an 18 year old kid.
Speaker 2:What do you do?
Speaker 1:But I would like to think I still had high, high standards for the way I treated others, that's. That's always been a goal not as, probably not as much of a goal as it is today, but it always has been a goal. There's two pains the pain of Looking back and saying, damn, I am exactly the same as I was when I graduated high school. Or or looking at and say, damn, I was just. I had no idea what I was doing. I was so unaware. I'm sure I was arrogant, but I've grown a lot and I'm a different version, and that's probably the reason it's so painful. Imagine trying to fit into Old shoes or old shorts, or imagine trying to fit into an old version of yourself that you're not anymore. It's gonna be painful and you're gonna look back and and recognize the the difference between who you are today and who you used to be. So I think that's a really good Frame for this. But here's the other thing too the awareness of how well I want to treat Taryn is a responsibility. The awareness of how I know I'm capable of treating her incredibly well, that's a responsibility. Now, awareness is a an opportunity and a responsibility, and that's another potential downside of it.
Speaker 1:I had a moment when we were in Vermont where, when we went up, her Uncle and two of her aunts were there and they ended up leaving the the day after we get up there and we're out in the middle of the woods, very out in the middle of the woods Really. And I had a moment where it was very humbling to have the level of awareness that if something happened we'd be in trouble, like we're on the middle of nowhere and I want to make sure I stay on my toes here and we're in a safe place. And again there's nobody around, we don't really have neighbors but just that, the awareness of if something went wrong, I would really want to figure out how to make it as safe as possible, as quickly as humanly possible. That's all. That's a heavy responsibility. I'm not saying Taryn can't take care of herself, but that's just my, my mindset in that.
Speaker 1:So that was my other thought with this episode is, when you know the answer to something, it's very, very challenging not to do it. I have that question what would the best version of Kevin do? And it's a blessing of a question, but it's a curse of a question too, because I don't want to not do it, the awareness of, yeah, you could just not do it and nobody else would know, but you would. You know that's what matters most anyway. So Awareness is an opportunity, which is amazing, but it is also in it's a responsibility that I don't know if people talk about Very often, and I don't ever want to paint the picture of growth, as it's always amazing sunshine and rainbows because, transparently, there are obviously many challenges that come with it.
Speaker 2:This is an opportunity that I Want to try to make something land in a new way that I don't know if I've ever gotten to land this powerfully, because you've heard me say things, kev, like yeah, people growing up wanted to support me, but they weren't capable of it. Think about the version of you that sent that message. That version of you wasn't capable of being the husband to Taryn. Do you know what I mean? I wonder sometimes if people, if, if and I don't mean this in any sort of negative way but People say things like well, I was supportive, I Believed in you, all this stuff no, you didn't, because you weren't capable of it, you weren't aware enough to actually support me. And I want that to really land, because and let me make it land in a way that's useful for everyone, including me you can want a great relationship and not be capable of it. Kev, you wanted a great relationship back then.
Speaker 2:Real talk you weren't capable of it. So what did you have to do? You had to go become better. I think that I do believe that a lot of people want things that they are not yet capable of, and I'm guilty of that too. But I think it takes real humility to say I don't deserve a great relationship yet because I haven't become a great man yet. I don't deserve a great business yet because I haven't become a great business owner yet. I don't deserve a great team yet because I haven't become a great leader yet. I think that that's something that you and I the humility piece from that frame has always been there, but you and I don't feel like we deserve things until we earn them.
Speaker 2:The very first video you've ever done on personal development. I will never forget it. It was BEFD Better Every Fucking Day, and it was 2012, I believe on Facebook, and it was on Facebook Live and you talked about how you don't deserve to be happy. You only deserve what you earn, and that has been a behind-the-scenes mantra that you and I have we want to earn success, we don't want to be given it. You hadn't earned it yet. You and Taryn met and you weren't capable of sustaining a relationship with her yet because she was more growth-oriented than you and I just I think there's so much power in that. I think that that taking responsibility is hard, new awareness is hard, growth is hard, but the alternative is just never getting what you really want. Dude, I posted on Facebook. You shared one. Let me share one as well. I remember I talked about this early in the hyper-conscious days with you. I don't know if it was my late teens or my early 20s.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm talking about. I actually posted this Now. Mind you, this is on Facebook back before parents were on it. This is Facebook for the older of us. Facebook in its original was only college students, so you needed a college email in order to get on Facebook in the beginning and it was not parents and stuff yet. So I posted this. I posted so I read of the dangers of drinking, so I quit drinking.
Speaker 2:Or no, no, no I'm sorry, no, that's what it would be. Now I read about the dangers of drinking so I quit reading and, yeah, while that's funny, the fact that I posted that was just yeah, funny but also really ignorant, Because I didn't read a lot of personal development books back then. I didn't read any personal development books back then. Yeah, I was an achiever. Yeah, I tried to be a good person. Yeah, I was focused on getting better in computer engineering and my career, but I wasn't as focused on being a better man, on being a better person, on personal development. Personal development is personal and so this is an awesome episode because this is where it all started hyper-conscious Awareness and the pain that comes with it. Yeah, it's painful, but when you look at it and you use that pain to transform yourself, you will start to earn magnificent things.
Speaker 1:It's almost like you become. You face the pain sooner because you know what it is. That's we were talking about ignorance is bliss in one of the previous episodes, and one of the reasons I think a lot of people say ignorance is bliss is because you don't know the downside so yet Yet. Well, you may never Kev. You might say Kev, what if you never started the podcast? Like how can you imagine what your life would be like? Yeah, but I can't imagine what it would be like if I started the podcast, because I wouldn't have that experience. If ignorance is really, it makes sense. You can't have both sides. You can't have one side without the other and you can't have both sides without the other one. So I had very similar experiences where I remember I had some two places. I want to go with this quickly before we go.
Speaker 1:I had a lot of people who said hey, if you ever need me, I'm here. I'll always. I'll always be here to support you, and I remember having the same moment of there's not to sound arrogant or egotistical there's not much you can help me with. You don't know what my life is like anymore. I know you're a shoulder to lean on, but I have plenty of shoulders. I don't need shoulders. I'm planning shoulders, any strategy, and you just can't offer that. That's okay, that's why you come to me when you're struggling, and there's nothing wrong with that. But I don't know if that's going to last forever. I don't know if that's going to last forever. That's part one. So I very much understand that, and that's the other thing too. One of the hardest pieces of growth is knowing awareness that most of the people you grew with are not going to be there in the end. I've known that since the beginning. That's not a new thing for me and that's been very challenging. I've told you that many times and I've told other people that.
Speaker 2:How did you know that?
Speaker 1:Because you just look at the lifestyle we have versus the lifestyle that a lot of people we grew up with.
Speaker 2:I was so controversial about that. I didn't understand. I think I lived in a world where I thought everyone wanted to.
Speaker 2:I don't know why anyone, would I always said you have to know better to do better. I always thought that knowledge, the awareness of personal development, would make everyone want to do it, because in my world, personal development is the answer. I mean, if you want a better relationship, you want a better business, you want a better body, you just develop yourself, you work on yourself. If you work really hard at your job, you'll do well at your job. But if you work really hard on yourself, everything gets better, and you and I have proven that over just six years. This is still the beginning of the journey. To me it's the obvious answer, because everything is on the other side of you getting better.
Speaker 1:But that's awareness, Just like it's an obvious answer now that you shouldn't quit reading. You should quit drinking.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, and that's the thing it's. How did I not? But the difference is I don't feel like I was ever exposed to personal development before. Dude, I'm gonna be brief about this, but Kevin and I will go into high schools and Kevin and I will be alarmed at how few people resonate with personal development. I'm more alarmed than you are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was gonna say I know it's good. I'm aware that's. One of the reasons I struggle with talking to certain age groups is because I know it's not gonna land For me, I never.
Speaker 2:I mean in our high school we never had a personal development speaker.
Speaker 2:I probably didn't know If I had had someone in my life that was into personal development. I'm not even kidding that, I'm not trying to be unkind to anyone from my past. There wasn't like a really holistically well-developed man who was super into personal development books in my life, so that wasn't common. But if there was, I am convinced that I would have been like holy crap, this is awesome. And again, maybe that's still something that drives me today. I hope that our listeners can see us as at least an opportunity to have other people who are into this stuff.
Speaker 2:I didn't have other people that were into personal development. I was looking for answers. I was that's one thing that Dude. I was always looking. I was trying to find every little answer I could find. I had mentors on mentors. I was emailing my friend's dad to see if I could figure out. I was asking questions my whole life to mentors. I just in hindsight they weren't really holistically well-developed For me. I needed the opportunity. Not and again, maybe this is resonating, maybe it's not and we'll get back to the original point here but lack of awareness was my deepest pain. I was looking for answers. I didn't have a lot of resources.
Speaker 2:I was looking for people, places, things and ideas that could help me achieve my dreams and my goals. That's why I read Steve Jobs biography. That's why I was always looking for answers. I just I didn't have a lot of good role models in hindsight, and hopefully we can be role models for some people. But that's fascinating. Somehow you knew that not everyone was gonna go on this growth journey with us. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:I know how much I had to change. I don't know anybody else that would want to change as much as I have.
Speaker 2:It's been hard In some ways, isn't it like? Why wouldn't you Look at?
Speaker 1:how awesome.
Speaker 2:Your life is now.
Speaker 1:No, I still. This is kind of the empathy episode we had a while ago where, no, I understand, I understand, but you were more unhappy back then.
Speaker 1:But my life was easier, just in different ways, and that's kind of the ignorance is bliss thing of my life was easier. There wasn't a lot of responsibility, there wasn't a lot of pressure. Yeah, the stress I had seemed like it was a lot of stress and I was. I was dealing with some mental health stuff for sure, but all things considered, life was simple compared to what it is now and I would never know the difference. I'm grateful I chose this for sure. Of course I would never. I would. You couldn't pay me to go back to that.
Speaker 2:What if you could teach you the difference? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I do. I just wonder here. This is the thing. Yeah, I could teach him the difference, but I could also teach him how challenging it was going to be. And he could decide hey man, six years from today let's just say hypothetically your life could look drastically different. You could be married, you could have a business, you could have a new car, you could have a top 100 podcast, you could have the best NLU family NLU is the name of your podcast. Six years from today, you can have all these things. Sure, it'd be awesome. It's awesome, it is, it's awesome. But you're also going to have to look in the mirror and see parts of yourself that you didn't know existed and you're ashamed of. You're going to have to have conversations with people that you wish you could take back. You're going to lose a lot of people that I don't know. I'm sure I probably would still do it, but I would understand why somebody else wouldn't.
Speaker 2:It's a fair. It's a very fair. At some point we should do an episode on if your future self could talk to you. What would they say? Because, it's like that's really powerful right there. It's 10 years from now, kev. That was a hypothetical of you talking to six years ago, kev, at the beginning of the Hyper Conscious podcast. But now let's go in six years in the future and have a conversation with current Kev of hey, you're going to lose all your friends. You're going to be less jacked than your business partner.
Speaker 1:I mean it's whatever.
Speaker 2:No, but there's pros and cons, of course. Thinking otherwise is naive. The last thing I promise, and we'll go. I've been talking a little bit behind the scenes with clients, team members, emilia, you, I feel like I'm at the 34-year-old version of Santa Claus.
Speaker 1:Isn't real, it's the same Also spoiler alert if you're 11 years old, or however old, you are listening. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're sorry about that. It's the same. It's a different layer of the same onion. That's what I've been saying. Santa Claus isn't real. I'll be brief about this, but I remember I was in the backseat of my mom and stepdad's car. It was Thanksgiving. I'll never forget it. I'm a man who's very committed to truth. I've always been seeking truth my whole life. I remember I turned to my mom and I said mom, is Santa Claus real? She looked at my stepdad and they looked at each other and she's like no. Then I just was so sad. I was so sad I was looking out the window. Then I like, a couple minutes later, after contemplating, what about the Easter Bunny?
Speaker 2:The whole crew Right, the whole crew. Then the tooth fairy was after that Dude. That was a really depressing day for me. I understand that was a really hard day for the kid.
Speaker 1:I don't know how old I was.
Speaker 2:I was going to say how old Probably eight, maybe seven. It was a really hard day for the kid. Seriously, as far as seven-year-olds are concerned, that was a tough one for me because I couldn't believe how much they lied to me. I couldn't believe it. I feel like I'm in the 34-year-old version of that, for whatever that value is for the listeners, you just got to understand that the growth journey requires another layer of honestly. Santa Claus isn't real, Honestly. The tooth fairy isn't either, Honestly. Neither is the Easter Bunny A lot of what you thought.
Speaker 2:You used to think you were great with the ladies and that was going to totally work and that flirting in that way was useful. No, you were an idiot. You didn't know. It's okay, you were 18. Again, 18-year-olds just statistically don't know much. It is what it is. I don't mean idiot in a negative way, I'm being playful. I'm being playful, I was an idiot too. So for sure, again, at the end of the day, I think that pain is par for the course. You either get the pain up front and do something positive with it, or you get it all at the end in the form of regret. I've always believed that to be true, because in my car accident I got all the regret at once and it was nothing short of wildly traumatic. I flipped the script and I started facing the pain in advance. I hope that other people do too.
Speaker 1:I became somewhat questioning when I realized that we didn't have a chimney. How's this guy getting in? We don't have a chimney. We do. We have a fake one, but it doesn't go to anything. I think it goes to the boiler or something. You go in that as a death trap. Well he's magic, though.
Speaker 2:Why couldn't you just say that? Did you have the carrots get eaten and the cookies get eaten? Carrots, you think we're feeding horses? We'll let them cook. You're gonna feed the reindeer son.
Speaker 1:Maybe they're not gonna come in the house. Okay, live in an apartment, son. There's no room for the reindeer in here.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying, man, I had questions.
Speaker 1:First of all, we don't have a chimney, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:How's he getting in?
Speaker 1:here Magic.
Speaker 2:Magic. Well, hey. Well, you were a very contemplative little man.
Speaker 1:I believe so, I believe so. I learned pretty early that Santa Claus wasn't real and it was also devastating for me.
Speaker 2:But I went and told some of my friends and my mom got calls. Yeah, no, I'm just telling you Because I convinced them. I was very persuasive.
Speaker 1:Why didn't you just let them live? I can't yeah to cheer the bird.
Speaker 2:This is a one-through line for me I have to tell the truth. When I find out a truth I share with everybody liar, liar not, not, not. I don't share other people's truths. That's why I always say I'm gonna keep this anonymous and I want that to be clear. Kev's like you don't have to say that.
Speaker 1:It's like I kind of do not every time is what I said. You don't have to say it every time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've gotten from any truth that I've shared on this show. I've gotten permission in advance to share. But at the end of the day, I'm committed to Every truth I can possibly find. Maybe it's the scientist in me, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, the truth is, I need your next level nugget so we can get out of here, okay my next level, nugget, is growing.
Speaker 2:Pains are the only way you can grow, just like you can't build strong muscles without painful workouts, and the pain of new awareness is going to come one way or another. I just hope it comes up front in a way that you can be proactive versus all at once in the form of regret.
Speaker 1:Mine would be something we've talked about in the past. There will be a pain that comes from contrast. It's either going to be, wow, I was way better back then or, wow, I've come a long way. Hopefully it can be the second one. Wow, I've really come a long way since then physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. There's going to be some secondhand embarrassment with some things that we've done or said or thought in the past. The goal is to Close the gap on those. Now my next level nugget. It's a great episode. I mean, I enjoy this one very much.
Speaker 1:I enjoy this one very much I didn't enjoy sharing that, but that wasn't really, all things considered, wasn't the most embarrassing message I'm sure I've sent. I'm sure it's not. It's a fine line. It's a fine line so. But yeah, I appreciate. I appreciate the challenge For the next episode.
Speaker 2:Thank you for sharing things.
Speaker 1:Of course, for the next episode, instead of Alan's Camera, we're gonna have a picture of him in his underwear up the whole time. Next level nation. If you want to see not pictures of us in our underwear, because Alan doesn't post those anymore. He used to and I did too back in the day. Please follow us on social media. My handle on Instagram is at never quit kid. Alan's is at a Lazarus 88, ala Z A R O S 88 and Kevin Paul Mary Alan Lazarus. On Facebook, we're always there. We post Random content. We're very active on social media, so if you ever have any questions or anything, you want to let us know what you enjoyed about an episode, you want to let us know what you didn't enjoy. Hopefully it's more the first one. Send us a message.
Speaker 2:So we have failed forward for 1440 episodes of what was the hyper conscious podcast and now has become next level University, and We've gained so many new awarenesses through so many painful moments. If you don't want to fail forward as long or as much as we have, podcast growth University is a podcast for podcasters and I can't promise you that you're gonna skip every step. There's no such thing. But I can promise you you're gonna learn a lot faster than we did. You're gonna learn so much faster than we did, in fact. So if you want to start a podcast, grow a podcast, monetize a podcast. Kevin has very high awareness in podcasting because he's basically Screwed up more than everyone else.
Speaker 1:It's fair. That is truth. Next level nation tomorrow for episode number 1441. Here's why you don't want to get lucky. I've heard many people say they're unlucky or they want to be luckier, and I have some thoughts from a story with one of my clients and I thought it would be a very powerful episode to you to do so. We'll do that tomorrow, as always. We love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you and at NLU, either enough fans, we have family.
Speaker 2:We will talk to you all tomorrow, keep going through the growing pains. Next level nation. Oh, lord lord.
