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#1474 - How Much Do You Understand Your Ego?

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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Do you ever question the role your ego plays in your life? In this episode, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros talk about the intricacies of ego and its role in our personal and relational development. They discuss the power of accepting and facing the harsh truth to overcome insecurities. When we outgrow our insecurities, we eliminate the need to defend our ego, allowing us to see the world and ourselves in a new light. Understanding our ego is a journey, not a destination. It is understanding how our ego operates and influences our thoughts, feelings, and actions.

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Show notes: 
[5:05] Your ego is protecting you
[8:20] Protecting you from unpleasant truths
[11:08] Vulnerable moments birth transformation
[13:55] Understanding your ego and connecting the dots
[18:04] Chad shares how Next Level Podcast Solutions transformed his podcast and provided invaluable assistance along the way
[19:25] Outgrowing your problems
[22:58] The vulnerable problem solver
[35:00] Outro

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Speaker 1:

Next level nation. Welcome back to another episode of next level university, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. We hope you enjoyed our latest episode. It was episode number 1473. We talked all about the fear of change versus the fear of staying the same. Today. For episode number 1474, happy Friday. How much do you understand your ego? The story I'm going to tell I have told maybe 1 million times. I'm gonna make it 1 million and 1 times, but I don't have a better story in terms of self-awareness, understanding your ego and how powerful that can be. So I want you to picture younger Alan and younger Kevin. This was in 2019, I believe, and At that time, we had had the amazing Eddie Panero on our podcast a few different times.

Speaker 1:

For those who don't know, he has a very successful YouTube channel called your world, within a very successful podcast as well, and we were talking about co-hosting an event. We said, eddie, you live in Florida. You probably have a lot of people in Florida who would love to come to an event we should host an event, and we ended up getting one of our mentors aboard and a couple local people that lived in Florida and we were planning on putting on this event. Well before we did the event, alan and I went down to Florida to see the venue hang out with Eddie, get the lay of the land mastermind, figure out what was gonna happen. And, as Is normal for Alan and I when we travel, we like to work out. So we said to Eddie hey, what are your thoughts About working out? Can we schedule our meetings around our workout today? How do we want to do this? And he said well, I actually have a gym in the basement of my apartment so we can. It's a big apartment, it's got a big gym. We can just work out there. It's open 24-7. We're all good. So I'll never forget, we worked a very, very long day I think you and I Did a bunch at our Airbnb and then we went and saw Eddie and we worked a Long, long day and then we walked along the beach back to Eddie's place and we walk into the gym and we get this workout started.

Speaker 1:

And when it comes to fitness, I have a very high level of belief and confidence. I've been working out since I was 16. I feel very confident in the gym. I'm usually one of the stronger people I know, so I have a lot of positive emotions around fitness. So we're all split up, we're crushing our workouts headphones in, awesome and then we get to the end of the workout and we sit down in this gym and there's nobody else there. It's pretty much a private gym.

Speaker 1:

And then we start talking about business and we start talking about the event and we're talking about the future and I remember Feeling an energetic shift and I went from 10 out of 10 confident to very, very, very insecure, to the point where I remember internally villainizing Alan and Eddie. I remember thinking to myself these guys are arrogant. What do what? How are they talking the way? They're talking about business right now, like they know everything and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I asked myself a very important question in that moment.

Speaker 1:

So this is where self-awareness came in for me. Hyper conscious, I said is this a me thing or is this a them thing? And we talked a little bit about that Last week in a few episodes. But I sat with it and then I got to the point where I said look, my ego is trying to protect me from the fact that I don't feel Good enough, I don't feel smart enough, I don't feel aware enough. I don't feel like I know enough about what they're talking about and rather than Owning that and saying, well, I'll just go get better and I'll learn more, it would be easier, it would be less resistance for me to villainize them. I had a similar experience when we were at Brandt Pivotix mansion in California and Alan and Brandt were talking about business. It was less of that, though. There wasn't as much of me villainizing. It was more Feeling in way over my head and trying to figure out what all of that meant.

Speaker 1:

So the goal, the reason, the intention behind today's episode is when you understand your ego, you understand that sometimes it does things to protect you that aren't necessarily good for your relationships. They're not necessarily good for your own personal growth, for your awareness, whatever it may be. If I let my ego run that situation with Alan and Eddie I, that might have been it. I might have said all these guys are e, they're arrogant, I don't want to be around them, I don't like who I am around, that whatever, whatever my ego decided for me that day. Luckily, when you inject self-awareness, hyper-consciousness, you can kind of break down the walls and figure out what's real. That is the importance of understanding your ego. I think a lot of us have determined that ego is bad. Ego serves a purpose. It tries to keep you safe from the things that you're not ready for yet. But until you start to understand your ego, you don't really know what you're ready for yet, and that is my ultimate goal in this episode to jam on that.

Speaker 1:

My goodness that's about a perfect story it is. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2:

It is. It's a perfect story for this.

Speaker 1:

I don't have a better one. I don't have a better one and I think that's. I know I've told it a million times and, alan, I joke about it, but I think I Don't. I don't have a better story that explains how it, how it connects. So I appreciate that.

Speaker 2:

Thank you. Of course, I have one that I I remember Jesse on the NLU team and Amy on the NLU team, amy L. They were gonna try to help me make group coaching better, and this is a while ago. This is probably five rounds ago or four rounds ago, three rounds ago, something like that so many, many months ago. And I remember the beginning of that call. My ego was trying to protect me too. It was like, oh, am I gonna? Oh, here comes all the feedback and the armor comes up, the walls come up, the drawbridge comes up and you're like nope, how many group coachings have you done?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah. How many podcast episodes have you done?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, I know that feels and that is fortunately not the way I reacted, but that's definitely the way my ego wanted to react. Instead, I went into vulnerability, which was just emotional, and it was uncertain and it was uncomfortable, and I don't know if I cried I think I probably did, but there was definitely deep emotions. I was probably on the verge of crying. I was definitely embarrassed, but that was also one of the most transforming calls I've ever had, probably top 10 biggest moments of improvement, because the group coaching program now has gotten significantly better, and the reason why is because the old one was just really overwhelming. They said Alan, you've been doing peak performance for track and habits for eight years. These people can't track 12 habits right out of the gate. It's not, it's overwhelming, it's too much. And while my ego didn't want to hear that, it was true, it was true. The ego will protect you from unpleasant truths, but the truth will also give you an opportunity to grow. Now you got to be careful because some people are just actually trying to beat you up. They probably don't really know. It's very hard to know when to bring the drawbridge down and when to let it come back up. You know we've had a lot of people try to tear us down and a lot of their advice wasn't good. But with Amy and Jesse I knew they weren't trying to tear me down. It felt different. It felt more nurturing, it felt more, it felt more like I don't really want to tell you this, but I know that this will benefit you. Versus other people who are kind of just attacking to try to tear you down, there's a very different feel. One of them is to help you, and you can feel it, you can tell. And the other one is just to tear you down because they don't feel good. And so the framework that I have for this is picture a target with three, just like the target, simple, the store target.

Speaker 2:

There's three layers. In the farthest, outside layer, it's what you want other people to believe about you. So in this case, I want them to believe I'm a professional. I want them to believe that I know what I'm talking about. I want to. I want them to believe that the group coaching program is good and that it's what's best for other people. Okay, the next layer is what you want to believe about you. I want to believe I'm a great speaker. I want to believe I'm a great coach, I want to believe that I'm really good at designing the group coaching program. And then the center is the truth, which is what's true, what's real. So the very outer layer is what you want others to believe about you. The next inner layer is what you want to believe about you. The inner layer is the truth.

Speaker 2:

And so when you feel deflated sometimes, it's because you're in the truth. You're actually sitting in the humility, the courage, the vulnerability. You're sitting in the raw truth. Kev puffed up screw these guys, they're arrogant. He wanted to believe, he wanted us to believe, that he knew a lot about business and was going to avoid that whole conversation. He wanted to believe about himself that we were arrogant and that he wasn't and that he's awesome and we're not. Again, this isn't his exact words, but and then the truth is, you just weren't really that aware about business and you probably should have been vulnerable and just asked questions and listened and been a student, and that's actually what he did do with Brent and I remember you felt super defeated, you didn't feel guarded, you felt super vulnerable and defeated and helpless. And I am convinced that those helpless moments, those those vulnerable moments of, oh my heart. Oh, this sucks. I'm convinced that's where transformation is born.

Speaker 2:

I don't like coaching people who are super guarded. I don't like giving unpleasant truths to people who have huge egos. I always say the difference between who you want to believe you are and who you really are is the size of your ego. And some of the people that have come on coaching calls you know why should I work with you? And you know, prove to me blah, blah, blah. And it's it's like listen, you're not vulnerable, you're not that humble, you're obviously not courageous enough to have a real conversation with me. And you want to know why you should work with me. And this is what I don't do.

Speaker 2:

But I could if I was going to ego up. I'm significantly ahead of you in every important area in life, but that's my ego. So I'd rather not do that. I'd rather not say I'm ahead of you in everything. I'd rather just not have the call, just move on with my life and wait for someone who's open. So be careful who you open up to, but make sure that you're open. Let life touch you, let these experiences touch you Back in with. Is this a me thing or is this a them thing? Because there is a possibility that other people are being arrogant. There is a possibility they are inaccurate. There is a possibility they're bullies. But if they're not and you know they're not intuitively try to be vulnerable and learn.

Speaker 1:

It's been very weird for me lately coaching, because we have several clients. One is a clinical psychologist with a PhD and then the other one is also a therapist, a board certified therapist, and they're both just super humble, just unreasonably humble, with very little ego, to the point where I got on a call recently and one of them just said, hey, can I just vent to you for a little bit? I'm like, yeah, of course, and that happened the previous call too, and this person was crying. At one point I was like I'm just very grateful that this person understands that they can let the ego down. I think that's huge. So if you have people in your life where you feel like you can let your ego down and live in the truth, that is amazing because you probably feel safe to do it.

Speaker 1:

And that's the other thing too is every time I've ever villainized Alan internally, I've always told him after at some point, maybe not right away, but when I figure it out I always tell you like, hey, I was dealing with this thing, I don't know, it was weird, I'm sorry if I was off or my energy was off, or whatever it may be.

Speaker 1:

I think the other thing too is when you start to understand your ego, you can start to connect dots in the past that maybe you couldn't have connected before. So I've told this story before again, but again, I just think it's a really good example. Excuse me, I've been losing my voice lately. I was at a party that you were at not Summer Fest, yeah, summer Fest, summer Fest, we talked about that earlier and I stayed up very late, very late, playing volleyball, drank a lot, there was a lot of alcohol consumed that night and there were these two young ladies who I was having a conversation with, who I was hitting on at the time, and one of them said something about oh, we never get with you, you're shorter than us, and that was like my biggest insecurity and my ego flared and I said something along the lines of I make more money than anybody you're ever going to be with, so I don't even care.

Speaker 1:

And, realistically, I didn't make that much money, so that probably wasn't true. I made a good living, but there's a lot of people who make a lot more money than I did. That was my ego. Why did my ego fight back? Because I was not ready for that level of truth. That was the truth that I was so afraid of getting, and I got it from two people at the same time and I was like I can't handle this.

Speaker 2:

You know what's so interesting about this. You always knew that was true.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's different, logically, versus hearing and emotion. I know I'm not making that wrong.

Speaker 2:

I remember when I was a very, very short prepubescent. I didn't hit puberty till very late. So all my bullying, being bullied and stuff. I was very small and insignificant and it's not fun Feeling small and insignificant, particularly as a man. It's not fun when you're around athletes that could eat you. But anyways, kev, what is interesting about this is I empathize all day with you being a short man because a lot of women have short king, please Short king.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, short king, Thank you. I think you've articulated to me thank you so much that you're tall. Thank goodness you're tall. It's like a thing it is. It's a big time thing.

Speaker 2:

We all kind of know these things right. Accepting that and facing that reality and working hard to overcome that is always going to be better than pretending it's not real, Even though it hurts. It does. It hurts to admit, you know, it hurts to admit that, being a blonde haired, blue-eyed, Ken doll looking man, most men do not respect me a lot, unconsciously. They just don't.

Speaker 2:

I've always known it intuitively. It's always very obvious, it's very clear, you know, and that's changing a little bit as I get older and actually look my age more. But whatever it is, whatever the truth is, the unpleasant truth, the difficult truth, you can either accept it and learn to love yourself anyway, or you can avoid the truth, the rest of your life and ego up anytime anyone ever gives you the hard truth. And I think that these insecurities that we carry, these burdens that we carry, we end up really hurting other people when we ego up like that. For sure, because a man who was truly well-developed and how dare you, no, no, but I'm serious. But you now? You would never react that way. You wouldn't have to. You would just be like, okay, fair and ironically, you would never be hitting on women like them, which is, isn't that fascinating.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but I don't want to make it about that. I mean, I understand everybody was hammered, so it's like everybody was living in a little bit of ego and I don't want to make it about them. But yes, yes, I do, I do understand.

Speaker 2:

It's just one of those things where the valuable version of Kevin now is so far beyond even wanting to be at a party and hit on girls. You know what I mean. It's almost like you the moment that you overcome the version of Kevin that is insecure, that he goes up, in that moment you've outgrown that version of you.

Speaker 2:

I would say, to where that moment wouldn't even occur. Isn't that just interesting? That's all I'm saying is there's this quote from Wayne Dyer. Wayne Dyer is a personal development speaker and he's passed away. I'm talking a lot about him and Jim Rohn lately because their work was powerful for me a long time ago. And Wayne Dyer said you don't solve your problems, you outgrow them. In all honesty, kev, that is a problem you have outgrown. You're not really that insecure about being short anymore. I mean, you still are a little bit, but I would say less than ever. I think that's what life is. I think we're supposed to be identifying and overcoming our insecurities and I think that the more you do that, the less that you're gonna feel the need to constantly defend yourself, you know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. Well, when you admit something again, it's the old. For those who have seen Eight Mile with Eminem, it's if I just give you everything I'm insecure about, you can't use it against me. If I say it about myself, that's one of the reasons I'm self-deprecating. For sure it show my back, because if I say it, you can't say it to me. I already said it. I'm the one who put it out there, but I do.

Speaker 1:

I think you can outgrow it, but it does start with now. Do I wish I handled it that way? No, I wish I would have handled it better in that situation. I don't know if I had the competence to all things considered, but it is a good representation of where you are on the timeline of understanding your ego. Back then I didn't really know. I didn't really know that. Well, now, yeah, I can't imagine that would. I mean it would hurt me. But just because it hurts me doesn't mean I have to try to hurt someone back. I think that's the natural reaction of the ego is oh, you hurt me, okay, cool, I'm gonna get you back when now it might be. Yeah, that does suck. Oh, yep, that does suck, but it's not. I don't have to shoot back at you, because that just perpetuates ego.

Speaker 1:

I saw a video online recently and it said this is how and again, it's the internet, I don't know, it seemed real, but it said something along the lines of this is how two adults handle a mistake or something. There was like a fender bender on the highway and there were two very large men and they started arguing at first and then they calmed down and they were just like talking to each other as humans and they just got rid of their ego and it was fine. It was fine. They're like this is how we should handle it. We should just be men about this and we should just be open. And I know we made a mistake, blah, blah, blah. It was really inspirational, because that's not usually the type of wholesome content you see on social media. So I respected that very much.

Speaker 1:

But I think that's a really powerful question to ask yourself is where is your ego currently running? Is your ego running in a relationship that can happen right when your partner says something of hey, you said you were gonna do blank, but you didn't do it? That this would be a good question for you, because I know I wanna make this more, you and I having a real conversation Right now. I think my biggest and it's the best it's ever been the biggest ego flare I get is when I feel misunderstood by someone and it's like I wanna tell them you don't know what it's like to be me, or you don't know what it's like to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I haven't done that in a long, long, long long time because I understand it's not your job to know what it's like to be me. This is what I signed up for. Where is your current bucket of ego flare?

Speaker 2:

Probably that yeah, yeah, that one's a big one, because a lot of people have a really hard time understanding why I'm not available, and sometimes they'll take digs at me, and it's very difficult to articulate in a meaningful way why I'm not available. And so there's a part of me that wants to say, well, you have a ton of time because you don't have any goals, but that's just gonna hurt them, not necessarily constructively. I think vulnerability would be powerful of and this is the vulnerable problem solvers, what we call this. Listen, I understand that you're upset that I'm not available, but can you please try to understand what it might be like to have a company with a team of 18 people and 22 clients and a podcast episode every day? I'm not making an excuse.

Speaker 2:

I do wanna be honest with you that next level university means the world to me and my work means the world to me. But that doesn't mean you don't mean a lot to me. It just means what's most aligned for me is this Please just try to contemplate what it might be like to be me and then check in with whether or not you'd be available for this barbecue or whatever. Now again, that's a very, very vulnerable, mature way to handle something, and I cannot tell you that I've always done that definitely not. Usually it's like are you kidding me? Why are you attacking me? What is the big deal? And you know what's weird about this? The reason they're attacking you is cause they're hurt, and the reason they're hurt is cause they care about you.

Speaker 1:

It's this weird thing and they're not vulnerable, yet that's, their ego is running. So your ego is running and it perpetuates, and I think that's why the vulnerable problem solver works so well. It's because you're leading with vulnerability and it's I don't know. I'm guessing this is why it works. You have to have an extra, extra, extra level of ego to crap on someone when they're being vulnerable.

Speaker 2:

That's why the person.

Speaker 1:

If you're in a really aligned relationship, the person who apologizes for whatever is usually. I mean, that's usually the end of it, because if somebody comes to you and says, hey, I know, I should've, I'm my bad, my apologies, I should do better, the last thing you're gonna say is, yeah, you should do better. You're terrible. You're gonna say, no, I understand, I had an ego flare too. It's not just you. And then you're back together, you're moving closer, but it relies on somebody telling the truth. And that's the hard thing, one of the reasons we had a very, very deep podcast the other day.

Speaker 1:

I had a very, very deep podcast the other day where we were talking about my dad. It was one of those like I'm gonna ask you some really hard questions, is there anything off limits? And I said, no, of course not. Give me the best you got, I'll go wherever. And I said one of the reasons I don't talk to my dad anymore is because I wasn't. I wasn't willing to give him the level of truth of I'm always gonna pick the podcast over you, always. That's my job, this is my life, this is my passion, this is my purpose. And there was ego from his side at times and I wasn't willing to put up with it. I wasn't willing to be the vulnerable one because I didn't think I had. I should have to be, I shouldn't have to be the vulnerable one. I came and met you and I was vulnerable, letting you back in my life. The last thing I'm going to do is be the vulnerable problem solver of. Well, if you understood how busy I am, you know and you got to know too.

Speaker 2:

He can't understand how busy you are.

Speaker 2:

Well, that was one of the reasons I didn't think that's one of the hardest things about our lives, and just life in general, is I don't think people, I don't know what it's like to give birth and I don't know. There's just certain things I'll never fully understand, and sometimes it is empathy to say I can't empathize. I don't really know what that's like. I don't, and I say that because I don't want you to think that I know what you're going through, because I don't. But, kev, to your last point here, how could he possibly understand what it's like to be us? He couldn't, and so, even if you explain it that's what feels so defeating to me is sometimes there isn't really a solution.

Speaker 2:

Like my past friends, I hope they know I care about them, but they're never really going to understand why I can't be there unless they try to do what we're doing. And then they'd be like, holy crap, this is okay, yeah, yeah, makes perfect sense, but they're not going to do that and that's that's something that's I've never been good at in the past. This is not something I was really good at. I didn't. I would always try, I would try to explain it and I would try to make it work and I would try to align it. Dude, there's no way in hindsight, it's so obvious, kev, there's no way it was ever going to work Well.

Speaker 1:

I think you have to be vulnerable. I think that's it. I think that's the answer. Is you be vulnerable and see what happens. I've done that in the past with relationships and most of them have actually most of them have improved after that. I just wasn't willing to do that with my dad because it's like I know this isn't going to work. I'm not. I'm not willing to put in the amount of effort it would take for this to work. I'm just not going to be that. I can't be that invested. This is, this whole thing is just it's not. There's no way it's going to work. And there was ego in his end. I'm not going to I don't. I'm not going to jump through hoops to keep someone with an ego in my life. That's just not what I aspire to.

Speaker 2:

I'm intelligent, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1:

It's also very logical and, I know, seems cold and calculated, but that is. That is the choice I I made and I want you, whether you're watching or listening, to be able to make your own version of whatever that choice is. So when somebody does I hope they don't, but when somebody does tease you about something, you have two reactions. That's why they say be the bigger person. The bigger person doesn't react with ego. Now it also feels really good to be the bigger person. Be the, not the bigger person. So I understand I did it in that moment.

Speaker 1:

If I could go back, would I have liked to be, have been more centered? Yeah, because I think it would have allowed me to feel the feelings more. I'm like, wow, that really one of two things. One that hurt more than I thought it was going to, or two all things considered, it wasn't that bad. I don't know how I felt, because I fired right back. I didn't get it. Give it a chance to sit. So that would be my next level nugget. Whatever I just said there at the end, that's my next level nugget.

Speaker 2:

Nice. My next level nugget is something Kev said, which is I'm not going to go too far out of my way to keep someone with ego in my life. I would say that that is the biggest mistake I've ever made. I went so far out of my way for so long to keep so many people that in hindsight have massive egos and I get it, I do pain, suffering, insecurity. Ego protects us. I get it, I do. But in hindsight, the biggest mistake I've ever made was going way, way, way out of my way to try to make a relationship with someone who has a huge ego work when my growth journey is only going to increase the amount of triggering that ego. So I wish for our listeners what I also wish for me, which is to give yourself the permission to sail away. Sail away from ego. Your life will be better Now. You can't protect yourself from it forever. You can't huddle in a corner and take no risks. No matter what you do, if you're going to make an impact, you're going to get attacked by people who are deeply insecure, but you don't have to keep them close and you certainly don't have to go out of your way to keep getting their approval. Please, please, please, please, just do yourself a favor and stop.

Speaker 2:

There is a book by Lucius Seneca. It's an old philosopher and I don't necessarily like Seneca. I don't dislike Seneca. He's a philosopher and his book is great. It's called on the shortness of life and he warns us about the eight things that he believes are life suckers for lack of a better phrasing things that take away our life. The one that hit home for me was self imposed servitude to thankless people, in other words, going out of your way to try to help people who are just disrespectful, unappreciative and unkind. Your intentions might be pure. You might be trying to save them or help them, or maybe you see potential in them that they don't see in themselves. I'm sure you do. Sail away, and what's ironic is they'll actually come to you eventually. It's interesting how that works. But sail away, give yourself permission to put yourself first, because what's best for you is what's best for the world.

Speaker 1:

Heavy one today, definitely Heavy one. Good topic, though. Good topic Alright. Next, sublimation. As you know, the first Thursday of every single month except for last month because I was supposed to be traveling we do our next level monthly meetup. This is an opportunity to be completely behind the scenes with us, and every month we choose a different topic. So one might be health, the next might be wealth, the next might be love. You don't have to have your camera on, you don't have to participate. It's not recorded. It's kind of like a live podcast that nobody else ever gets to see.

Speaker 1:

For our next one on October 5th, are you making these three relationship mistakes? I wrote it down and my handwriting is atrocious. So most of us are going to end up in relationships and not a lot of us have studied them. If we go back to Wednesday's episode, how long has your biggest problem been a problem? If it's relationship based, maybe you haven't studied the right things yet and there are some common mistakes. There are some common issues. There are some common problems that relationships have. So we are going to ask ourselves are we making any of these three problems? We will have the link on our website, so if you go to, we're going to have it in the show notes. I know I ask this every time.

Speaker 2:

It'll be in the show notes. The link to the landing page will be in the show notes.

Speaker 1:

If you want to join us, please do. We'd love to have you. It's not recorded. You can show up on camera, you don't have to. You can type in the chat, you don't have to. You can ask a question live, you don't have to. Whatever is best for you, and we'd love to see you. Strong work. I appreciate that I can't read my own handwriting, which is a huge concern.

Speaker 2:

If you've never Nope, that's not where I'm going.

Speaker 1:

It's not where I'm going If you've never.

Speaker 2:

No, no, no. Okay, I'm going to start starting a podcast. Kevin and I have something called Next Level Podcast Solutions 50 clients now.

Speaker 1:

I believe 52.

Speaker 2:

52 podcasts that we produce. If you've ever considered wanting to start a show and you want to grow and monetize it, Next Level Podcast Solutions is the place to do that. And again, we have 1,474 episodes of failing forward, making mistakes, learning from other people, learning from guests, learning from each other, learning from ourselves. We produce this show as well. So if you want a show that is well produced, like the 52 others or 51 others, I should say, because this is one of them then reach out to Kevin. Kevin at NextLevelUniversecom. He is the podcaster for podcasters.

Speaker 1:

Mr Podcast man is what we call him.

Speaker 2:

About podcasting yeah, podcast solutions.

Speaker 1:

Nice and shout out to the amazing NLPS team. I do not do it alone. I could not do it alone. We have an amazing team behind the scenes, so shout out to each and every one of them. Did I say what we're talking about tomorrow? No, tomorrow for episode number 1,475, how to set your money goal. We talk about goals often, but we don't talk about money goals often, and Alan brought that to my attention and we're going to do it tomorrow. As always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you and NLU. We do not have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Speaker 2:

Keep overcoming that ego. Next level nation Okay, all the best to you and to Brits Personally in the community. All the best.

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