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#1498 - An Important Lesson For Perfectionists

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

Have you ever felt paralyzed by the pursuit of perfection? We've been there, too, especially when it seemed like every video, blog post, or social media update had to be flawless. In this episode, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros talk about how personal narratives of obsession with perfection, delayed actions and missed opportunities. They discuss the power of 'good enough' and the profound impact of messy action. We all want to put our best foot forward, but it's essential to understand when our quest for perfection hinders progress. Embracing 'good enough,' taking messy action, and failing forward are the keys to momentum and ultimate success.

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Show notes:
[1:54] Seeing perfectionism holding you back
[2:55] The sweet spot of 'Good enough.'
[4:35] The trap of perfectionism
[6:59] John talks about his phenomenal experience working with Kevin and the Next
Level Podcast Solutions team
[8:48] Incremental messy action improvement
[10:10] You can't improve without implementation
[11:33] Clarity conundrum
[12:18] Outro

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Speaker 1:

Next level nation. Welcome back to another episode of next level university, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. We hope you enjoyed the latest episode, sunday's episode, episode number one thousand four hundred and ninety seven the difference between growing around it and growing through it. Today, for episode number one thousand four hundred ninety eight happy Monday. An important lesson for perfectionists.

Speaker 1:

I have been in a very, very Every quote-unquote refocus, simplify phase with my clients and I think one of the reasons why is because we're doing that at NLU. We're trying to really refocus and keep things simple, because we do tend to Make things complicated and then we make them super simple and then we make them a little bit more complicated and we're always trying to find the sweet spot. And I've had many clients in the past who are perfectionists and my my goal was always to get them to see how Perfectionism was holding them back and it isn't even real. So my story for this I had a client one time who it was almost like They'd get really, really excited about something. So let's just say they wanted to create an online course. They get really excited about this online course. They spend a week on it, that week would turn into three weeks, that three weeks would turn into another month, and then it would get to the point where they would say so think of it, think of it this way they did the first video Three weeks later, they did the second video, one month later, they did the third video and then another month later they did the fourth. By the time they finished the fourth video, that first video is already three or four months old. And they look back and say, man, that ain't it, that ain't I, can't do that. And then the process starts again. So then they redo it and it's the same thing.

Speaker 1:

That is a really good example of how perfectionism holds us back. If we just said you know what and I know this is a fine line that's good enough for now, that's good enough for what it is. There there's differences, right? I don't really want the next plane that I get on to have good enough Safety. I don't really want that.

Speaker 1:

But when it comes to a social media post, better Out there than not. It's better to be out there. I know I've you said this many times before. The social media post that doesn't go out can't help anyone. An imperfect post is better than a perfect post sitting in your phone somewhere, because there's no such thing is perfect, and I Realize that there's a lot of. Some of it's the fear of judgment, some of it's the fear of disappointment, some of it's the fear of being wrong, but You're missing so many reps If you're waiting on something to be perfect.

Speaker 1:

So in two days, wednesday, we will be recording our 1500th episode and I'm also doing for podcast growth. You the top five lessons I've learned from 1500, from hosting 1500 episodes, and one of the big lessons is gonna be it's better to do it, take the lesson and move on and then do it again, because you can multiply your awareness that way. I would rather you Do something incorrectly 99 times and then do it correctly the hundredth, because when you do do it the hundredth time and you do it correctly the next time, you kind of know all the mistakes, you kind of know all the things to avoid. But if you are falling into the trap of perfectionism, by the time you get around to doing something, you're already so much different than you were when you started that you almost can't move forward Because it seems below quality. So that's what I wanted to jam on in this episode.

Speaker 2:

There's ready aim fire, and I think a lot of people are stuck in Ready aim, aim, mm-hmm. And then there's other people that are just ready fire. And so this is the proverbial sweet spot, the Goldilocks, the, the too hot, too cold, the too big, too small, optimal stopping problem, which is, some people are on the very high end of perfectionism. I was so. Kevin and I were a good team, because he was messy action, just get it done, get it done, get it done. I don't care what's perfect, just get it done. And I was much more perfectionist.

Speaker 2:

I told you about that YouTube video in an episode earlier this week that I never even released Because I was so embarrassed by it and I waited to lose all that weight before I released it. In hindsight, I shouldn't have done that. I should have Faced my fear, released the one where I looked overweight or not optimal, and then just failed forward, failed forward, failed forward. How much potential did I leave on the table by not publishing it? And so, at the end of the day and here's the thing that's fascinating, right. And so, at the end of the day, and here's the thing that's fascinating, right, when you record a podcast or a record a YouTube video or you record a social media post or you whatever, insert this, write a book, write a blog post Publishing it actually creates pain and I want to share this with everybody vulnerably. There is no version of you publishing something without some fear.

Speaker 2:

I publish my blog and I'm not certain, 10 out of 10, that every word is right. I'm not certain everywhere to spell right. I'm not certain every comma is perfect. I have an editor showed it to jerryann, who's editing my stuff. We call her the hashtag grammar goddess. At the end of the day, I'm not certain it's perfect. As a matter of fact, it never is. So I publish the blog the next day. I read it From my phone, which I think is where most people are reading it, and I screenshot and I and I, I read pennant and there's always tons of errors, and then I go and I fix those errors and then jerryann reads it and she fixes. She does even more errors, she finds even more errors and then fixes it. So eventually it ends up really good, but in it's it's messy action, messy action, messy action.

Speaker 2:

So I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was told you can only take one photo, but make sure it's absolutely perfect. And what was fascinating about the study is they found that every single time the quantity group quantity group always came out with a better photograph because they had a hundred shots taken. You get to take a hundred shots, you're bound to hit one of them and you iteratively improve along the way. So I'm a firm believer in incremental, messy action improvement. So some people are fail forward, some people are don't fail, avoid putting things out because I'm a perfectionist. And then some people are just fail, fail, fail, fail, fail. There's no forward. And I have joked about that at I don't you, I really have. I said. I said this to the team like listen, we're fail forward, but it's fail forward, not fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail forward. In other words, yeah, put it out, but don't keep making the same mistake over and over and over again. Right, and at the end of the day, that's, that's the sweet spot. So I momentum over everything.

Speaker 2:

The last piece I'll share because I know we get a jump soon. I said this to the team yesterday I said I would rather everyone err on the side of action. I would rather everyone ask for forgiveness than permission. Go mess it all up, go break some eggs. It's all good, be respectful, represent our brand properly, obviously. But at the end of the day, I don't want you waiting for an answer from me. Just go do stuff. It's awesome. That's how you're going to iteratively improve. And so I'm I say err on the side of momentum and everything. Just take messy action and go break some eggs and you're going to be better off in the long run, even though in the short run you're probably going to be very fearful.

Speaker 1:

One of my clients said that yesterday. They said it's it's so wild how much the podcast they're 20, I think they're 18 episodes in and they said it's wild how much the podcast has changed. I feel like we do things drastically different. It's just evolved a lot. And I said what the interesting thing is? You cannot improve without implementation. So I couldn't tell you it was going to go in the direction it went until you started and you would never know. You can't. You can imagine what it would be like, but it's very hard to actually imagine what it would actually be like, and that I always, I always do this. When I'm going to a new place, I try to imagine what it's going to look like inside. It's never the same ever never, ever, sometimes better, sometimes it's worse.

Speaker 1:

Tara and I are going to a wedding on Saturday. I'm imagining what this place is going to look like. I don't know no clue. We'll find out, I might be right, I might be wrong. But when I said that the client, they had a big smile. His name was Jack. He had a big smile on his face and he's like oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It's just, I have a lot of people who get stuck in launch Like, ah, is this artwork perfect? Is this is the intro right? Is this the right music? And I always say, just, we need to launch. I don't care, it doesn't matter as much as you think, because if we wait another month, you might decide. You know what. I don't really want to do this anymore, and then you're not going to have a podcast. I care more about where you are in a year than where you launch it from Always, always, always and underneath all of that is just fear of judgment, fear of rejection, fear of failure or fear of success.

Speaker 2:

It's all just fear. Underneath that Perfectionism is fear. It wanting to be thorough is great, but underneath it it really is this deep feeling of unlovable or inadequacy. Very last thing I know we got to jump. So it's the clarity conundrum.

Speaker 2:

Do you know how many people come to me and say I don't have enough clarity yet? It's like you're not going to get clarity. The coaching is going to give you clarity. You're not going to get clarity until you do stuff. It's like, well, I think I want to be a coach. It's like, well, what kind of coach? I don't know, I don't have clarity yet. The only way you're going to get clarity is by coaching. So pick one, start coaching. I was a fitness coach, right? Fitness coach, mindset coach, peak performance coach, life coach, business coach, business consultant. Now I'm landing on business coach, but that was a hell of a journey versus me just wondering I wonder what kind of coach I want to be. It doesn't work that way. Contemplation is great, but at the end of the day, contemplation plus action is the only way you actually get clarity.

Speaker 1:

Next levination. I do not know what tomorrow's episode is. Do I Hold on? No, I don't. I'm out here. Jeffen, that's the one I forgot to do. I have Wednesdays. Wednesdays is going to be the top five lessons from 1500 episodes. I can't do that tomorrow because tomorrow's 14.99. So technically we would be cheating. But yeah, tomorrow's going to be a good episode, as always. That's the goal. Hopefully it'll be good. Hopefully it'll be. I feel like this has been a strong week of episodes. I've enjoyed these very much. They've kind of been all over the place, but they've all been NLU, heart driven, but no BS. So I don't know what we're going to talk about tomorrow. But, as always, we love you, we appreciate you, we're grateful for each and every one of you Shout out to 1500 episodes in a couple of days. We could not do it without you and, as always at NLU, we do not have fans, we have family. We'll talk to you all tomorrow.

Speaker 2:

Keep taking messy action, next time on Nation.

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