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#1614 - Can You Be Motivated Without This?
Have you ever been stuck in a cycle of setting goals you never seem to achieve? Uncover the secret to breaking this cycle and sparking true motivation. In today’s episode, Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros delve into the symbiotic relationship between specific goal setting and motivation. Learn why your broad dreams aren’t cutting it and how to craft objectives to ignite your drive, whether saving for that dream vacation or striving for personal growth. Plus, they’ll tackle the mental game of balancing your inner critic with self-compassion, ensuring your journey toward improvement doesn’t leave you perpetually discontent.
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Show notes:
(2:23) Motivation doesn’t work without goals
(3:47) Momentum and motivation
(5:48) Underneath every goal: State, Prove, and Self-assign
(8:16) Alan’s thesis
(12:07) Level of motivation and inner turmoil
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(16:19) Kevin’s choice
(17:22) Progress, change of standards, grace, and self-feedback
(20:24) Constant expansion and contraction of standards and goals
(22:00) Stay motivated and give grace to yourself
(24:42) Right amount
(30:37) Outro
Next level nation. Welcome back to another episode of next level university, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. We hope you enjoyed yesterday's episode, episode number 1613. Do you reset your goals or reset your damn self? Today, for episode number one thousand six hundred and fourteen, can you be motivated without this? I Was watching, I saw a clip I believe I can never remember I never cite things because I can never really remember them because I move on so quickly from one thing to another thing but I saw something somewhere on the interwebs and they were talking about One of the reasons fitness can be so hard, one of the reasons getting results in fitness can be so hard, one of the reasons showing up to the gym or showing up to your Own version of exercise may walking, yoga, hot yoga, whatever it is One of the reasons all that is so hard is because if you don't have a specific goal Excuse me, a specific goal there is no motivation. There's no way to be motivated. If you don't have a goal, go ahead.
Speaker 2:No, no, it's just, it's our first. Is this your first meeting today?
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is my first meeting same.
Speaker 2:Same, we got this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course. So I wanted to do an episode on that because I think a lot of us assume okay, when I, when I'm motivated, I'll start. But how can you? You really can't connect with a goal until you start doing something towards the goal. And here's the other thing and we've been. This has been a huge thing we've been talking about for a while now.
Speaker 1:When you set a goal, an appropriate goal, the right size, the right distance, it feels like the right distance, it feels like the right probability You'll actually be able to accomplish it. That is more, more than likely going to motivate you anyway. If you set a small goal, it's too small, might not motivate you. If you set a goal that's too large, it might not motivate you. It might end up one of two things. One, it's not even worth me doing this because even if I get the result I want, nothing's gonna change. Or there's no point me even doing this because there's no way I ever accomplished that. There's no way I ever accomplished that.
Speaker 1:I think momentum and motivation are more connected than we give credit for. When you set a goal, let's say, for you out there, your goal is a Specific goal. There's a big difference between setting a goal of saving more money and and setting a goal of having $5,000 in your bank six months from today so you can do blank. If you just want to save money when you're driving by the drive-through or your app target or wherever you are on Amazon, there's not as much motivation for you not to buy something you don't need. It's just not specific enough. The goal isn't specific enough to keep you on track.
Speaker 1:But if you have a number in your mind, I want to. I want $6,000 six months from today so my family and I can go on vacation. That's a really good motivator because there's a lot of necessity there. There's a lot of necessity there and you can quite literally think okay, I have $3,000 in the bank. Do I really need to spend $40 in the drive-through right now? That's $40 that could go Towards this fund. So, yeah, that's. That's the episode that I wanted to do today, because I think we fall victim to this. I will be motivated when I start something, and I think you have to have a goal before you're gonna have motivation. Unfortunately, I think it's just set up that way.
Speaker 2:There's so many things that need to be in place to actually win.
Speaker 2:It's so I've started to understand why a lot of people struggle with motivation, because motivation is a byproduct, it's not a. So, for example, kevin and I, a lot of people would consider us very motivated when in reality we don't wake up super motivated. It's more like the train tracks that we must stay on to achieve our goals. Keep us on the rails the things that need to be in place to actually be motivated. So, for example, you go online and you say, oh, that person's so ignited, that person's so motivated, that person's so on point, they're so dialed in. That person has certain things set up that maybe you don't. The first one is self-belief. Underneath every goal is self-belief. If you don't have self-belief, you're not gonna set a goal. And even if you do, it'll be a goal that doesn't really pull you or push you or motivate you, because you don't really think it's gonna happen anyway. So number one is self-belief. And if you build someone's self-belief and this is the irony unfortunately self-belief doesn't get built unless you set a goal and then achieve it. We have this formula for self-belief and group coaching that we teach where we talk about. You have to state, prove, self-assign. So you have to state I'm going to lose five pounds. Then you have to prove to yourself that you can do that and then you have to self-assign I did that. I said I was gonna do it and I did it, and this is usually an unconscious process.
Speaker 2:Early on in Kevin and I's learning how to communicate effectively, we realized that there's two types of ways to communicate. He communicates more inform and lead. I communicate more state and prove. In other words, I say a bold statement, like what I did right there. I said so many things need to be in place prior to being motivated. That's state. Now I'm gonna prove that to everybody. And that's actually the worst way to communicate. By the way, kevin usually starts with a story which is in form about something and then bring the lesson later. But one of the reasons why I think I've built so much self-belief is because I state and prove with myself. I'm constantly setting and stating things in my own mind and then proving I can do it constantly and so.
Speaker 2:But here's the problem, and this is what we do in group coaching If you have level two belief and set a level 10 goal, you're gonna actually destroy your self-belief Because you're gonna say, oh, I'm gonna do X, y, z, and then you're not gonna do it and that's gonna actually destroy your self-belief. It's gonna dwindle and decay your self-belief. Whereas if you have level two self-belief and you set a level two goal, you'll actually do it, and when you do it, you'll self-assign it. And when you self-assign it, you're gonna go to level three self-belief and then you'll set a level three goal and then you'll do it, you'll achieve it and then you'll self-assign it and then you'll go to level four self-belief. This is my thesis.
Speaker 2:If you have high self-belief, you will not be okay with not being motivated. That is my new thesis. There's a client right now that is going through a really tough time and she had huge, huge, huge goals for many, many, many years that she was aiming for, shooting for, climbing for, and she's come to learn about herself and grow about herself and realize that you know what. Those goals aren't as aligned as I once thought. We've all been through that process and I was a fitness coach at one point and then eventually it was like well.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I'm gonna be able to sink five hours a day into this, especially when I'm more passionate about business leadership communication. So now she, you can't go all the way back though. You can't go from I had level 10 goals and I was level 10 motivated all the way back to you know, I think I'm just gonna hang out. She has too much self-belief now. She knows that she's capable of more and she can't just sit there, and so this is the thing that I really wanted to share with everybody, and I hope that everyone knows that I wanna help you flourish as much as humanly possible. So please don't take this the wrong way. If I was coaching you listener preferably a listener out there I would say if you really want to achieve something or be motivated, you actually have to dislike your current circumstance. I'll give you a perfect example. So last night, I had this moment with myself where I looked down and I was not thrilled about my body fat right now? Now am I fat, or anything like that? No, and again, here's my point, though. I had a real moment with myself. I was like, ah, come on, man, you know what I mean. Like, come on, you're coming to the two years of consistent exercise and that's what you've got for me. That's my honest dialogue.
Speaker 2:Now some would say, oh well, don't shame yourself and all that stuff. I'm with you, I'm not shaming myself, but I did have that honest moment of I'm not okay with this. Here's the truth. This is the thing. No one tells you, if I'm okay with it, it won't change. It won't change until I'm not okay with it. And that puts us all in this weird spot. Well, do you spend your whole life not okay with yourself? And that can get very toxic if you're never okay with self. But you know what else is toxic? Being okay with any standard, anytime, anything, no big deal, let it ride Right, I had a client and this will be the last piece. I had a client who I genuinely confronted and I said brother, you're trying to consistently exercise, you're trying, I appreciate it, you admire what I'm doing. You want to exercise every day, like me. You want to get fit, you want to get ripped. How do I get a six pack? Right? You ever had someone ask you that you don't trust me? And if you do, Nobody asked me that.
Speaker 1:Nobody's asked me that recently. I'm not sure why, I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's when you know you're winning in fitness right. But people will ask literally, how do I get a six pack? And it's a genuine question. I appreciate it you do if I could explain how hard it is to get a six pack to everybody. It's it's like it will take you three or four years from where you are right now, most likely of like pretty consistent effort even myself in, or just be hungry, yeah, forever.
Speaker 2:You can be, you can be satiated or have a six pack. Never both, right. So anyways, I'm being playful with this. But this client of mine, I had to really confront him and I said all right, you know I'm trying to help you flourish. You've actually told me I'm too soft on you. So here we go, he did. He said, dude, I'm you're too soft, tell me what's up. I'm paying you as a coach. Okay, cool, Awesome.
Speaker 2:I Said how much does it bother you how, how out of shape you are? And he's like what do you mean? And I said from my perspective, it doesn't seem to bother you that much. And he said, yeah, no, I mean. I said okay, imagine you. You're out and around around other people. It's summer, you're at a barbecue or whatever. You're with your kids. How much does it bother you how bad you look? You said, honestly, not really. I said that's how I know you're not gonna do it. It's okay, I said. I Said insert name. I'll keep it anonymous. But I said I'm so unhappy with the way I look right now I don't mean that from like a shaming way I'm proud of myself. On one side it's a duality. I'm proud of myself, I've done a good job, awesome. But if I'm sitting at a barbecue, if you and I are by a lake Kev and we're in our bathing suits, how unhappy.
Speaker 1:Are you gonna be be honest with me? Right 8 out of 10 same okay.
Speaker 2:That is your level of motivation. That is my thesis and I know it's not fluffy and I know it doesn't feel good, but the truth of the matter is, until you have that honest moment with yourself and you go you know what you are living outside of alignment with your standards, you will not be motivated. Now the dangerous part of that is if you have low self-belief, you don't think you can change it and you're dissatisfied. That's called being dangerously stuck and that will crush yourself a steam and your self-worth and that's actually detrimental and destructive. So I don't want anyone to get stuck in shame or stuck in that pit, but what I do want you to do is be honest to yourself.
Speaker 2:Okay, what is my level of self-belief? 0 to 10. Okay, what is the standard that I've set in fitness or in health or in my relationship or in my career, whatever it is? And is there a misalignment? Is there a misalignment? Meaning if you have higher self-belief than you are actually demonstrating, it's good. It's gonna cause inner turmoil and inner turmoil is how we change. That's how we change as human beings. That's why, when people get into NLU and they start building self-belief and self-worth, all of a sudden their old friends that they realize they're toxic now aren't okay anymore. They raised their standards.
Speaker 2:And when you raise your standards, you also raise the dissatisfaction level. And when you raise the dissatisfaction level, that's where real motivation comes from. And people don't talk about this because it's not, it's not fun. I am being dissatisfied with my current physique. I say this because I want to be vulnerable and honest with everybody I'm. I had a moment with myself last night that was very painful. It was like come on, man, but guess what? I'm gonna crush it in the gym tonight. And I know that that's where real motivation comes from. But but and this is the last thing if I had low self-belief and didn't believe I could change it, that could be a very dark place.
Speaker 1:The other thing, too, is and this is I'll speak for myself, this is for me I have financial goals for the year. I don't have fitness goals for the year Really my fitness goals. If you said you can either make money in the business or go to the gym, I'm more motivated to make money in the business than I am to go to the gym, for sure. So I'm gonna do that nine times out of 10.
Speaker 2:And guess what's gonna improve and what's not. And then by the end of the year, you'll probably be happy in finance and unhappy in fitness.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm hoping it doesn't go the full year.
Speaker 2:I'm hoping things will switch at some point, but to your point.
Speaker 1:I'm dissatisfied, but I'm not dissatisfied enough. It's winter in New England. It's snowing right now. I'm not going to be anywhere without my shirt anytime in the near future. I'm not, yeah, I'm just not motivated enough to do it and I don't have super specific goals right now. I did, and then, going back to our previous episode, I just kind of reset him. I said I'm not I. This is a very fine line and also maybe a potential trigger warning when I get overwhelmed, I wanna eat. I don't wanna have any limitations on well, yeah, kev, you can't have that because that has too many calories, or you can't have that because it's not salad. I honestly don't care. I just don't care enough right now. That is my honest truth. If I wanna get Taco Bell because I'm overwhelmed and that makes me, that helps my short-term mental health, I'd rather do that than say, oh, I feel really good because I can see my abs, but I am just miserable. I don't wanna do that right.
Speaker 2:I don't wanna do that. It's all a choice.
Speaker 1:It is a choice, but I also. It would also be very, very negative for me to then say, well, I'm not happy with where I am physically. That's my own choice. I'm the one who is getting myself here, I'm the one who's gonna have to figure it out when I'm ready. I think that's a very important piece of this.
Speaker 1:The other thing I wanted to say is, when you so when you get progress in something and then your standards change, that can be a very weird time, because when your standards change in one thing, sometimes it's harder to change your standards in other things.
Speaker 1:So maybe you're let's just say you're fitness, because we're talking a lot about fitness Maybe your fitness standard changes. Then it requires more prioritization of that thing, which then makes it harder to do the other things Then you have to reprioritize those things. Then, when those standards raise this is why it's really hard to have high standards in health, wealth and love, because they all require so much focus, so much, so much. So, with that being said, make sure you're balancing out the grace with the feedback you're giving yourself, because if you're growing, if you're making the most money you've ever had and you're in the best shape you've ever been, and your relationship is suffering a bit. It's understandable. Yeah, if any segment of those three, any pairing of those three, I'm convinced that, at all times, one of them's being neglect 100%, pretty much at all times, yeah, yeah 100%.
Speaker 1:Now, it might not always be totally, totally recognizable.
Speaker 2:Right, it might be, especially not at first. Yeah, yeah, until you have that moment I had last night of hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And same. I had that I put a shirt on the other day and I said did you?
Speaker 2:Did you A little bit tight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shirts a little bit tight yeah.
Speaker 2:And then I said it's brutal, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Oh, that kind of sucks.
Speaker 2:And it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1:It kind of makes sense. Yeah, yeah, it kind of makes sense, but I don't have any goals. I don't have any fitness goals Tight around the stomach area.
Speaker 2:A little tight around the stomach. Yeah, lower stomach slightly.
Speaker 1:But I don't have any fitness goals right now. I have financial goals, I have relationship goals with Terran. I don't really have fitness goals. And here's the thing too I don't know. I might not have set goals because I don't want to do what it's willing. I'm not willing to do what it'll take to get there because I think it'll take away from other things. Definitely will. Alan and I have had this conversation. I said I think I could work out every day if I wanted to, but I don't want to. I don't want to sign up for that because I think it'll be detrimental. I really do. I don't think it would be good for the business. I don't think it would be because when we did the 10 pound and 10 week challenge, I was going to the gym in the middle of the day.
Speaker 2:You had to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I had to, and I don't necessarily want that level of pressure right now. There's enough pressure, so hopefully something from that will land for you.
Speaker 2:Someone with a quote unquote super growth mindset, who has very low pragmatism, would consider these all limiting beliefs.
Speaker 1:Someone who has a fixed mind. Pragmatism, what is?
Speaker 2:pragmatism. Yeah, that means practical Practicality. Same idea, but yeah. So anyone who I say sell a lot when I don't know what I'm going to say, just realize that. And I do want to make this clear Life is the constant expansion and contraction of standards and goals You're not going to. There are times in my life where I was 10 out of 10 fitness but my relationship was taking a hit. There were times when I was 10 out of 10 relationship but the business was suffering.
Speaker 2:I remember one time I canceled four paid coaching sessions to go on a date day with Emilia. It was one of the best days we've ever had, but I remember being like that's a $600 hit. That was a big mistake and I just want to make it clear. Now here's the thing. Was that a mistake from our relationship? Definitely not. That was a core memory Going to the Biltmore, and I recommend it for anyone who's ever.
Speaker 2:You can look it up the Biltmore. It was beautiful and it's a bucket list item for Emilia. As soon as I found that out, I said, okay, we're here. She found it. It was only a half hour away and I had to cancel and I told my clients. I said listen, I never do this. I'm so sorry I gotta do this. It's bucket list, but I'm not gonna lie. There's a part of me that told her. I literally said I said that was a big hit. That was a big hit. That's a lot of momentum, that's a lot of business, that's a lot of impact that my clients, all of that.
Speaker 2:So you can't win 10 out of 10 in everything you can't, but you also can't neglect everything. You don't want to get wealthy and then realize that you are too unhealthy to enjoy it. I told Emilia this. I said I do not want to end up at the top of this mountain not in love. I don't want to climb a mountain with you and then be not in love at the top. I want to be in love along the way. And this episode's about motivation. It's almost like everything is two sides of every coin. On one side, if you're not motivated in something, you're just you haven't tapped into what you really want, or maybe you have low standards, or maybe you've just been ignoring it or neglecting it.
Speaker 2:Like I have with certain things okay Cause I've been super 10 out of 10 with exercise but my diet I'm with Kev. I haven't been caring at all. I mean, I've just been like, whatever I exercise every day, let me eat what I want, and it's awesome. That's the truth. You want to know why it's so hard to stay in shape. Eating is awesome. It's so good, kev. It's so good Not having to dial in a calorie. Emilia is tracking, she's doing the app and she's tracking macros and I'm actually helping her with that, which is really cute, but I'm like I don't care at all.
Speaker 1:Let's roll, you know Now.
Speaker 2:I fast every day. Blah, blah, blah. But here's my point. I just want to make this very clear. Think about the intensity of my voice.
Speaker 2:This is a hardcore episode, and that's good. It's about motivation. I don't want anyone to not know the truth. If Kevin and I appear motivated to you, or anyone online who appears motivated, I promise you behind the scenes they are more dissatisfied than they're portraying.
Speaker 2:Okay, there's this thing where people do this and we do this too. You need to show up front, facing in abundant energy, but the moment these cameras and mics go off, we're back into grind time, we're back in a necessity, we're back into a little bit of scarcity. We're back into hey, you know what, alan? You may have exercised 713 days in a row, but you haven't dialed in your diet in years to the point where you used to when you were a fitness model, and you will never get back to that level when you were on stage if you do not do something about this.
Speaker 2:And that is the honest conversation that you have to have with yourself. So, on one side, I want you to give yourself grace, I want you to give yourself compassion, I want you to give yourself love. I want you to love and accept who you are On the other side. You have to balance that out with wow, I am seriously not living up to my own potential and I'm gonna do something about that. And if I don't feel the pain of not living up to my own potential, I'm not gonna be fulfilled. I do believe we are not fulfilled because we know we're capable of more. Deep down inside you, you know you can do more and I'm just not satisfied with that and so I'm going to make some changes and that's life. So if you wanna know what motivation is, motivation is being dissatisfied the right amount.
Speaker 1:I think it's fair. I think it's fair. Your standards should. Let me see. If your standards are way too high compared to where you are, it's a recipe for a lot of pain for a lot of time. But if they're just a little bit higher, if you raise your standards and you raise your results and you raise your standards and you raise your results, that's a really good place to be. Don't create standards that create feedback you can't handle yet. Yeah, I think, that's a really good way to put it.
Speaker 2:Can you give an example of that before we go? Have you seen someone do that?
Speaker 1:Hmm, it would probably just be in fitness. That's probably the best one, because that's one of the hardest pieces of feedback to get Anything in fitness where I don't know. Maybe you say I'm going to sign up and I'm going to do, I'm going to run a half marathon in 30 days or something Too much. Yeah, you're 15 days in talking to your coach and they're like there's no way you're going to be able to do this. You're not following the program, you're not doing your exercises, you're not running, you're not doing your mobility, your nutrition isn't where it needs to be, and imagine if that's the first time you've ever gotten that level of feedback. That's going to suck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to be really hard. It could be destructive. Yes, it could be destructive. There's constructive motivation and constructive standards, and constructive For me, and I want to make this clear how hard I was on myself even in this episode in fitness.
Speaker 2:Keep in mind I was a fitness model, fitness coach, fitness competitor. I'm not asking everyone to be that hard on themselves. Even with that client, I was basically saying you don't really care as much as me, and that's fine, so stop trying to. It's almost like you want to be as motivated as me, but you aren't as dissatisfied, right? And he's like, yeah, no, I don't really care. And then we talked about finance and he's like, oh my, and you could see it just come out of him, dude. I was like there, you go, focus on that. That's okay. You don't have to be some fitness model. What are you going to do? You don't care, he's in decent shape. I just want him to be honest with himself and so, hopefully, all the listeners, just be honest with yourself, are you? If you're not motivated, it's one of two things. Number one maybe you're actually okay with where you're at. That's okay.
Speaker 1:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:As a matter of fact, I would love that.
Speaker 2:I'm not but I would love that. I've been there before, I've been in fitness at times where it's like, yeah, oh, yeah, definitely Real good, yeah, and then it goes quick, because then you start eating. But that's my point is one of two things. You either are satisfied because you're like, yeah, I'm hitting my own standards, great, awesome. Or you're dissatisfied because you're lying to yourself, pretending that you're hitting your standards, when in reality, deep down, you do know you're capable of more. And I want to pour into that if that's the case, because I think that's how we all improve. I think that's how the world becomes better. I think that's leadership, because maybe you have children or maybe you have friends that need your inspiration, your motivation. They need you to ignite and do that thing. And so, very last thing, kev, I have a client who is getting her PhD and I said, to be completely transparent, if you shoot for a 4.0, like you did with your masters, I think that's going to be destructive for your mental health.
Speaker 2:I want you to climb this mountain, but please don't try to climb it perfectly. And so I said what are you going for? She said 3.0. I said you know what's awesome about that? You'll probably end up with a 3.5. But if you shoot for 4.0 again, it's going to destroy your mental health. I know it is, I've witnessed it. So climb them out, and I'm with you. Let's do this, but please don't try to climb it perfectly, because if you do, it's just going to be destructive.
Speaker 1:Little motivation on a Friday.
Speaker 2:Need it. Oh yeah, Friday.
Speaker 1:I only just had a moment where it was like it's not Friday today.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Next level nation. If you are local to the Massachusetts area, March 23rd 2024, Groton mass, at the Groton Inn, we are having our next level live 2024. Alan, myself, Amy will be there. Several members of the team will be there. Amy is going to be the MC. She did it so beautifully at our previous next level live. Crushed it, Crushed it.
Speaker 1:If you come in person, you will get a free next level dreamliner as well as a catered lunch. If you watch virtually, you will get a virtual experience. Unfortunately, we can't give you a meal. The logistics of that would be damn near impossible. Maybe we'll send you a bagged lunch.
Speaker 2:Throw a picture on the screen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, imagine this. It's good, it's nice. We're also going to have the virtual is going to be great because you're going to be able to break into groups. So in person, we're going to have three different groups. You're also going to be broken into three different breakout rooms, so it's not just sit there and take in content for however many hours. We have breakout sessions in between each session. So it's hands on and you'll leave with something more than you came with, for sure.
Speaker 2:And there's going to be six assistant coaches, so Kevin myself and Amy Leneas, and then Riley Lizzie and Jerry Ann will all be assistant coaches facilitating the breakout groups.
Speaker 1:Goodness, it's going to be a party. Link will be in the show notes. We'd love to see you there. If you're in person or if you're local and you want to come in person, it's awesome. We would love to see you. We'd love meeting the community. You'll meet other members of the community If you're virtual. This is a great opportunity to take a deeper dive into what NLU does. It's going to be similar to podcast episodes, but it'll definitely be deeper in terms of the content.
Speaker 2:At very least. Please check out the landing page. The venue is gorgeous. The link will be in the show notes.
Speaker 1:So for episode number 1,615, are you pushing yourself too much? It's not what you think it is we're not talking about. Most likely we're not talking about what you think we're talking about. It's going to be a little bit different than maybe you expect. So that is tomorrow's episode. As always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Stay motivated, next time on Nation.
