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#1621 - Does Fulfillment Require Struggle?

Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

Embark on a journey with us as we uncover the relationship between life's challenges and the deep sense of fulfillment that often follows. In this episode, Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros discuss true fulfillment that extends beyond the transient pleasures we usually chase. It delves into the concept that overcoming adversities and struggles creates the most profound satisfaction. The conversation parallels the fleeting happiness derived from temporary joys and the deep contentment one achieves after enduring challenges.

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Show notes:
(3:25) Happiness Vs. Fulfillment
(6:03) Joy, pleasure and fulfillment
(9:22) Pleasure Centered Paradigm
(14:04) The result of being honest with yourself
(16:22) Meet like-minded people and jumpstart your journey to achieving your dreams while optimizing your life. Join Next Level Group Coaching. https://www.nextleveluniverse.com/group-coaching/
(17:33) Fulfillment in health, wealth and love
(21:28) The tricky thing about fulfillment
(24:13) Fulfillment center analogy and the concept of self-actualization pyramid
(32:21) Outro

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Speaker 1:

Next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. We hope you enjoyed our latest episode. It was episode number 1620, dealing with trust issues a very deep, hyper-conscious, vulnerable episode. I had a lot of these, or a lot of those, this week. Today, for episode number 1621, does fulfillment require struggle? Yes, and that's all. We hope you enjoyed today's episode and we will talk to you later.

Speaker 1:

You have a framework that I don't think I had any part in. Unfortunately, my name is not attached to it, which sucks for me, but it's the Joy, happiness, fulfillment Framework, and when we think about happiness, usually happiness is kind of a result-based thing. So I will have this donut and I will be happy. I used to. Alan and I were walking out of the studio one time and we were in very giggly, jokey moods and I said, of course, of course, smoking weed and watching porn are hard to quit. They make me super happy, not fulfilled, not joyous Well, maybe joyous in the moment, but I get the dopamine hit. It makes me happy. It's a good feeling for a very, very, very, very short period of time Very short. Yeah, happiness is a very quick-burning fuel. If you want to get to your goals and your dreams and you're a dream chaser and you want to get to whatever that is for you, happiness is stuff that it gives you a little burst of energy. But usually you feel I don't want to say you feel worse after, because I'm sure there are things going on a walk with your partner or seeing a movie you love might make you happy. So I'm not saying happiness is bad, but what I wanted to talk about today was the fact that some of the things that are the most challenging are also the most fulfilling. I mentioned this in yesterday's episode or the episode before. I didn't want to go to Jiu Jitsu. I just didn't want to do it. I was nervous. I've been out for a couple of months, I don't know Let me insert an excuse here why I'm not going to go but I was super fulfilled after.

Speaker 1:

I think for a lot of us, fulfillment comes in reflection. Joy, I think, is in the moment, joy, I'm enjoying this. I think happiness is usually kind of in the moment and then for a very short period of reflection and it usually goes away. I think fulfillment is almost always a long burn in reflection, but at least for me, most of the time that I am the most fulfilled, it's usually when I've overcome something a hard day, a hard workout, a tough interview, something. I've overcome something.

Speaker 1:

But I said to Alan before this when I said this to Taren recently Taren's family has a house in Vermont I said I'm so excited to go back to Vermont. I always feel so fulfilled there. We wake up. I usually get up early, I walk down to the dock and I'll just look at the sunrise and it's beautiful, it's amazing, and it's in nature and it's awesome. It's just like a different world. That brings me a super appreciation and a deep level of fulfillment. So I don't want it just to be. You can only be fulfilled if you're doing hard things and you can only be happy if you're doing bad things. I don't want that to be this episode, because I don't think that's true. But what if you would have a more fulfilled life but that fulfillment is on the other side of things that are disguised as resistance? Is my question to pose?

Speaker 2:

So I want to break this down for everyone. We do this in group coaching much more in depth, but on the last group coaching session where we did fulfillment one of the six sessions is fulfillment Kevin had a breakthrough that I'm going to eventually get to, but first I got to kind of re-explain a little bit of what you shared.

Speaker 1:

That's how I knew I did a crappy job. The second I stopped. Alan said all right, let me explain this, but that's what I expected, because again, it's not my framework.

Speaker 2:

I didn't create it.

Speaker 1:

So the last thing I'm going to do is I'd rather just not say anything about it than butcher it.

Speaker 2:

I'd butcher your framework. A couple of episodes ago. I think it was last week or the week before and you had to correct it like six times in one episode, it's all good.

Speaker 2:

So the three main parts of it's called the happiness framework is joy is the first part, which is enjoying the present moment, and that's fully short term, that's right now, in this moment. Are you enjoying this moment? Are you enjoying listening to me right now? Are you enjoying listening to this episode right now, kevin is saying no, all right. So joy is the first one, when you are enjoying the present moment. The second one is pleasure.

Speaker 2:

The second one is pleasure. Pleasure is the dopamine hit that Kevin was referring to. Pleasure is I eat this donut. It is delicious, I have pleasure. You mentioned porn and weed. Alcohol falls in that category. There's a lot of things that are pleasurable that are not fulfilling, and I think that was your ultimate point.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I messed it up, it's okay, it's all good. Here's the thing. It depends on what your. It depends right. Again, I still partake in marijuana, not like I used to, not in the escapism way I used to, but mm-hmm, I've had a newfound appreciation for it. But I don't. I Don't expect it to fix things. I Think that's the important thing about if you're using pleasure to escape something with the hope that it's gonna fix things, that's a dangerous game. Yeah, I would say in anything agreed.

Speaker 2:

I Like to explain this in this way. So Sex is a pleasurable thing. Every human who's an adult knows that Having sex with the love of your life is pleasurable and fulfilling, right versus some short-term, meaningless relationship. That's. Sex is pleasurable but it's not fulfilling, and I think that's a really good example, because one of them is pleasurable, enjoyable and fulfilling. It has all three. It has joy, pleasure and fulfillment, which is why making love with your partner is the best thing in the entire World if you have the right partner because, it's all of it, it's the whole thing.

Speaker 2:

Versus, if you've ever had more shallow sexual relationships I have in the past, so of you. They weren't. It was enjoyable, it was pleasurable, but it wasn't meaningful. It's empty. It's empty.

Speaker 1:

It feels empty. Yeah, if you think of the opposite of fulfilled is empty is empty, exactly.

Speaker 2:

And so picture a cup. Fulfillment is a full cup and, yes, you need joy and pleasure as well in that cup, but fulfillment is the one that drains the slowest, so to speak. And so if you've ever, if you've ever felt like an empty cup, yeah, Threw up in my mouth there a little bit If you've ever felt like an empty cup.

Speaker 2:

That is the feeling of emptiness. Burnout is another good example. So when I'm really burnt out, it's just Same old, same old completely burnt out, exhausted, no energy. Just I can't keep doing this, that feeling of just nihilism and emptiness and hopelessness and helplessness. It's just, it just sucks. So I think everyone's kind of been there. And then the opposite is fulfilled, which is a deeply meaningful, sustainable, aligned life towards your goals and dreams. And so you've got joy, part one, part two is pleasure and part three is fulfillment.

Speaker 2:

And I'm not saying any one of them you shouldn't, you should neglect. I don't think you should neglect any of them, but if you fall for what I fell for, which is called a pleasure centered paradigm, some people have an unconscious belief that life is about having fun. They think life is about fun and I grew up in an environment where it was a pleasure centered paradigm. Life is about having fun. So it was parties. My mom and stepdad never missed an opportunity to go party. There was a lot of drinking and, yeah, it was a blast. It was very pleasurable, we had a lot of good times.

Speaker 2:

But the problem is is that pendulum swings the whole far other way and it isn't fulfilling. And you know what at one point felt Really fun and enjoyable. Later that night they didn't get along. They were fighting that it swings the other way, and so I think most things that are pleasurable Ends up swinging the other way and being unfulfilling if you overdo it. Doughnuts, for example, love them Always, have always, will big fan, super pleasurable, but if I overdo it, I'm gonna be unfulfilled with my physique and my fitness goals, and so I think that that's really what you want to do is find the right balance of these, the right harmonization. I think balance is not the best word. Harmonize joy, harmonize pleasure and harmonize fulfillment Unique to you, and that's the sort of chicken soup for the soul type of Situation that you're gonna want to.

Speaker 1:

Can I ask you a question? Of course, but first a story. When, how you ever had Krispy Kreme donuts before? Oh, yeah, yeah, when I worked in your same, when I worked in Virginia, I never had Krispy Kreme because they they weren't up here and Virginia down south, I don't know. Beyond a certain point they have Just different stuff and they had Krispy Kreme donuts. My, my buddy, I was working with Ray Ray. We went, we each got 13 donuts and we try to eat them all before work.

Speaker 2:

Each, each, yeah, I eat 13 and then then I, then I had to lay down and we had to go.

Speaker 1:

We had to go to work. After that was brutal sick, oh, so don't do that question. This is my question for you. Recently, I would say within, let's say, within 2024 when were you the most fulfilled and when were you the least fulfilled? So in the in the past two months, in 22 days as of this recording.

Speaker 2:

One was either most fulfilled and one was either least fulfilled. I was the least fulfilled probably a week or two ago, when I really took a good look in the mirror at my physique. I was in the gym and don't do this if you're struggling with self-esteem, by the way but I went to I lift at a gym that I used to lift at while I was a fitness model and I took a really close look at the abdominal region and as a 35 year old man, it was very it's not. It's not terrible, it's not like I. You know, I think it's hard for me to explain, because let's just say it's. It ain't what it once was, that's the best way to describe it. It was very much okay. I wonder if I'll ever experience what I had in the past.

Speaker 1:

I think the past is in the past. Why did that affect your fulfillment?

Speaker 2:

Because I am capable of more and I've really been outside of alignment with my physique goals. Now, I'm not like 10 out of 10 outside of alignment, but I'm not 10 out of 10 in alignment.

Speaker 2:

Enough to where it was like okay, you know you, and that's. That's a great example, because at night I fast every day. I do intermittent fasting. I really don't like to skimp in the evening, so I work all day, pretty much every day. I used to kind of not say that stuff, but all day, every day for the most part, and Sundays are less of that, but still, and in the, and I fast all day, so I don't eat. I haven't eaten since 10 o'clock at night yesterday. It's 12 30 PM right now, and I fast almost every single day. When I get to the evening, not only am I cooked and I put it all on the court, so to speak. I don't want to track a calorie, I just want to enjoy my evening Same.

Speaker 1:

And so, last, Last night's a problem.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that is the problem. Last night, for example, for dessert I had three, four, four Reese's, these Reese's Reese's eggs for Easter, oh my God, so good About a buck 30 each.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, at least probably one, 50 each. And then like a full cup of milk, like a four year old just loving it, and there's some protein in there. You know it is what it is, but, and the milk is skim right, so it is what. I'm not completely off the rails and I don't want to make this about me, but it is important for everyone to understand that when you're outside of alignment with your goals that are meaningful to you, you will be unfulfilled. But I also am unfulfilled when I'm tracking every calorie and stepping on the scale twice a day and dialing everything in. So you've got to figure out how to harmonize joy, pleasure and fulfillment.

Speaker 2:

And for me, food is definitely something that I enjoyed deeply, and it's unfulfilling when I'm overly scarce and overly concerned about it. But it's also unfulfilling when I know that I'm leaving my physique potential on the table and so I have to constantly re swing the pendulum, sort of back and forth on that. And I say that not to shame myself, but to really be honest with myself, because for the listeners, when you're honest with yourself, underneath that is pain, and then, underneath the pain, is positive change and the positive change will fulfill you, and I do believe fulfillment is a byproduct, ultimately, of alignment with your highest self, your best self. So when people say I want to be the best version of myself, what they're really saying is I want to work on me, to grow in ways that are meaningful, so that I can look in the mirror and honestly say I'm proud of you. And that's really what I couldn't say at the gym when I was unfulfilled.

Speaker 1:

Okay, All right. When was the most?

Speaker 2:

fulfilled. When you asked me that originally, which I really appreciate, I actually thought of this morning. So this morning I was. I did 20 minutes of mobility. I've been writing every single day for all of 2024, which I couldn't achieve in 2023 for whatever reason. I'm coming up on two years of exercise, 30 minutes a day, and I've just been really consistent at pretty much all of the things that I struggled with last year and I just had a lot of pride and fulfillment this morning with how on point I've been with things that I've struggled with so much in the past WhatsApp and email, these things that just pile up.

Speaker 1:

So I would say this morning, the reason I wanted to ask is because I wanted to show how fast it can change. Right now I'm not super fulfilled. When I say not super, I'm probably like a seven out of 10. But it's just because I'm stressed and I'm doing stuff every day in a piece of the business that I just don't really want to be doing. But that's what it takes right now. That's necessary. It's not going.

Speaker 2:

Well, let's do this zero to 10,. How fulfilled are you in health?

Speaker 1:

I've been. I told Alan Monday when we met. I said I intentionally went so far off the rails this weekend with food that I knew it would make me get back on the rails. So I am tracking Excuse me, I'm tracking every calorie. I'm back in jujitsu, I'm lifting, so Cream of wheat.

Speaker 1:

I got three big packs today. I got Cinnabon banana and there's another one, oh, brown sugar. I would say probably Probably eight out of 10. I'm very, very happy with the process. I'm very, very fulfilled with the process, but I'm not super happy with the current result.

Speaker 2:

Makes sense. The results lag the process Of course. Okay, zero to 10,. How fulfilled are you in wealth?

Speaker 1:

We've been a little reckless with money, so probably like a six.

Speaker 2:

I do really well when we have extra money in the bank because it just helps me Not have to be hyper focused on that, and when Kevin says reckless, I just want to make this clear We've invested a ton in team and a ton in the future.

Speaker 1:

I like saying reckless sounds better.

Speaker 2:

We've over invested a little bit, but we're still in good shape.

Speaker 1:

And again.

Speaker 2:

I just want to make that clear.

Speaker 1:

I think we all have very unique set points when it comes to that. I'm somebody who is very, very attached to money. So again, trigger warning you might not have that same relationship with money or you might even villainize me when I say something like that. So always just understand what it means to you. What it means to you. I think that's always important For me. When I don't exercise, I'm not as fulfilled, but it's not the end of the world for me. But when we are financially scarce, that's a bigger weight on my shoulders. I would say so yeah, probably like six and a half, and then love, say nine, love's the good one.

Speaker 2:

Right now, love's the good one. The way you are with money is the way I am when Emilia and I aren't 10 out of 10. It feels impossible to be fulfilled when I'm not certain that her and I are rock solid, which, again, that's a strength. But it also comes with this huge weakness of how do you stay self-reliant? And so health, wealth and love I think all of us have one that is attached to our deepest wound. And if you go back two episodes ago, we talked about the deep wounds and I talked about unlovable.

Speaker 2:

Kevin talked about not capable enough, or I think I talked about Kevin being or feeling not capable enough deep down, if you think of money for him, that's more success oriented.

Speaker 2:

So all this comes down to what you feel the most in control of. So I never felt in control of success in relationships, intimate relationships in particular, and now I understand why I didn't understand what I was doing. But the more and more that you learn about intimate relationships, communication, trust, emotional maturity, all these things, the more you feel in control of it and the less scarce you get when things, when challenges, arise. And for you you're way less scarce with money now than you were years and years and years ago, when you had no idea how to make money in business, and it's night and day. So this is also a sliding scale. This is a trend line that it's a mountain that we climb. So, even though he's a nine out of 10, in his intimate relationship, that nine is different than the nine that it used to be, because your standards are way different. So it's a sliding scale which is impossible to explain.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I could never explain it. It's a scale that slides. It changes depending on the things that are on the scale. That's it, that's the best I could say. And time.

Speaker 1:

The hard thing about fulfillment is when you know what fulfills you and you choose not to do it anyway. That's when it really sucks. The reason I went off the rails and just ate like garbage is because I'm mostly upset with myself that I haven't been doing. I know what to do, I just haven't been doing it. I've been too lazy or I've been overwhelmed or stressed or my priorities have been all over, whatever the label is. But the truth is I know what to do, I just haven't done it. I haven't done it. So when I don't do that, it really hurts the fulfillment because I know better. When you know better, you can do better, and I know better and I know I can do better.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes we've had this dialogue behind the scenes. Ignorance is bliss. When I didn't know how to succeed in business and make more money and all that stuff, I felt out of control and I felt kind of hopeless. Now it's more of a pressure and a weight and responsibility. The fitness thing is too. Now I'm not saying whether you're watching or listening. You're in the same boat yet. That's okay, but hopefully you're more aware than you used to be. So now you understand. I think it just helps you not go off the rails as far the alarm goes off quicker. Ding, ding, ding. Something's happening here. Something's happening when my I use a different app. I don't use my fitness pal my fitness pal Is that what it's called To track calories, I use a different app. I knew I was jeffing when you know how, when you don't use an app for a long period of time, it goes to iCloud and you have to re-download it. That's how I knew I was Jeffing, Because I haven't used it in three months and it just went away, Just went up to the cloud. They assumed I was done with it, so I had to re-download the app to use it. That's how I knew. So that's just a good measure for me. But this would be my next love and nugget for this episode.

Speaker 1:

I believe deeply that fulfillment does not always come from doing something that you want to do, but doing something that you know your future self will thank you for, Because fulfillment is, to Alan's point you getting to the place that you have decided that you can get to in health, wealth and love. Why is it called a fulfillment center, Amazon fulfillment center, where they fulfill your orders to make whole. They take your order, they put it in the box, they put the label on it, they put the tape on it and that order is now fulfilled and then they ship it to make whole, to bring together, to make complete. And I think that's what we're all trying to do is we're trying to figure out what would the most complete version of me be. That's going to be the most fulfilled version of you. But there will be days that you have to do things that you don't necessarily want to do. But you also will have the chance to celebrate those days and I think that can also be fulfilled.

Speaker 2:

I'm doing the Dreamliner every single day. I've been talking a lot about that on the show. The Dreamliner, for those of you who might not know, is a journal that NLU created that helps you stay in alignment, essentially, with your dreams Dreamliner in alignment with your dreams, and I've been taking notes every day, because every day has gratitudes and it has MIT's most important win, most important improvement. It has your next level, nuggets and it's got, whether or not you checked off your habits.

Speaker 2:

And MIT is most important tasks for those who might not know yeah, most important tasks. And then on the right there's just a blank page and on the right is where the notes section is. And a couple days ago, just first thing in the morning, I do my Dreamlining and this came to me and I don't know, maybe we'll do an episode on this at some point, but we're going to create a digital asset. I do know that. I don't know what I'm going to call it yet. I think it's going to be the self-actualization pyramid, but we'll see. The bottom of it is self-belief. How much do you believe in yourself? And to Kevin's point about the Fulfillment Center if you have level two self-belief but you're operating at level one, you're going to be unfulfilled because you know you're capable of more. You know what else is true. If you have level two self-belief and you're shooting for level eight goals and constantly losing toward those goals, you're going to also be unfulfilled. I think fulfillment is consistently and incrementally growing your self-belief and self-worth, which I'm going to get to. So the bottom of the pyramid is self-belief and I think that's where everything starts.

Speaker 2:

The second part of the pyramid is self-worth. The third is self-discipline, which is doing what you know you should do, even when you don't feel like it. The next one is self-trust. When you have self-belief, self-worth and self-discipline, then you start to trust yourself. You keep the promises you make to yourself. You start to say, okay, I'm going to go to the gym and then you actually do it. One of the reasons I'm fulfilled is because I actually am keeping the promises of writing every day. I'm keeping the promises of mobility every day, okay.

Speaker 2:

Self-respect comes after that. When you start to trust yourself and you have self-discipline, self-worth and self-belief, all of a sudden you start to have self-respect. Then you have to maintain that by standing up to bullies, honoring boundaries, not going out when you know you should go to bed early, that kind of thing. Then eventually you lead into self-love. Self-love from a genuine place, non-ego place, I think, is actually being able to look in the mirror and go. I am so proud of who you've become and I love who you've become, especially through all the shit you had to crawl through.

Speaker 2:

The last one is self-actualization, which means achieving your actual dream. You actually prove to yourself that you could aim high and achieve it. Whatever high means for you and the front of the Dreamliner is a mountain for a reason because we're all climbing our own mountain. Some people want to climb Mount Everest, some people want to climb Mount Wachewsit. The only thing that matters is that you're climbing a mountain that is the right size for you right now so that you can actually build the self, because that whole pyramid, all of it, started with self, self-trust, self-love, self-respect, self-actualization, self-belief, self-worth.

Speaker 2:

When you focus on building the self which is what NLU is about holistic self-improvement then you don't want to hurt anyone else, then you are fulfilled, then you want other people to win. You want to see other people win. You love other people climbing. That's the world that I want to live in, and I hope everyone else does as well. I'm going to create a digital asset for that. If anyone wants it, please email me, alan at nextleveluniversecom. Ultimately, I think that's what we're all looking for is we want to look in the mirror and be proud of who we've become. We want to be able to say I've done all I can with all I have, not from an ego place, but from a genuine, sincere appreciation place.

Speaker 1:

Every time I hear self-actualization, I imagine a tornado of stardust bringing me to the top of a mountain. Why, it just sounds stardust-y. It just sounds out there in a good way, not a bad way. Yeah, it sounds out there. It's like stardust tornado to the top. Self-actualization yeah, it's heavy. It is To actualize oneself heavy.

Speaker 2:

Well, you have the quote of the imagination thing.

Speaker 1:

You want to go for it? Give it a shot. Okay, keep up the good work. The no wrong, you are wrong.

Speaker 2:

Your life becomes the parts of your imagination that you hold onto and pour into the longest.

Speaker 1:

Wow, your reality I say your reality becomes, because there's a nice opposite between reality and imagination.

Speaker 2:

You have to know, need both.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 1:

Alan and I were talking behind the scenes before this and we were talking about how, every time we have a new round of group coaching opening up, we'll talk to a lot of people and we'll get messages and we'll have conversations going and people say when does it start? We'll say next week and or two weeks, three weeks, whatever, and they say all right, cool, I'll let you know that week. And usually the people that say I'll let you know that week unfortunately do not get a seat because it ends up filling up. A lot of people wait to the last minute before they do something, but that also means if you're waiting to the last minute, you might not have an opportunity and we do not want you to miss that. So get your ticket early, whether it be virtual or in person, to make sure you can lock your spot. Link will be in the show notes, as I'll wait.

Speaker 2:

And if you do come in person, you get one of these Dreamliners. We actually ordered those yesterday. Author copies of the next level Dreamliner 30 of them are shipping to my house, currently Nice. We will be bringing those to the event with us Also. I wanted to talk a little bit about Book Club. So Book Club is free every Saturday 12, 30 PM, eastern Standard Time. It's a group of like-minded individuals, next level books with next level people. We are reading the Courage to Be Disliked by Achiro Kashimi and Kuma Takikoga. It is a philosopher talking to a young youth and they are having a philosophical debate about the meaning of life and how to have more courage and lean into who you really are. And that's why it's called the Courage to Be Disliked, because many of us fear judgment, myself included, and I think that we all are going to have to overcome that in order to achieve our dreams. And Book Club will definitely help you do that, because it's a safe space that's private, not recorded, where you can really be who you really are.

Speaker 1:

I love when you say it's a philosopher talking to a young youth. I like that. I enjoy that. Stardust, stardust tornado To the mount pop Tomorrow for episode number 1622, an important lesson in comparison. We've talked many times about comparison, we have episodes on it, but I'm trying to figure out a really good analogy or example of how to break free of it. If there was a way where you could catch yourself in comparison and say, oh interesting, it's actually different for me than it is for that other person. So even if I am comparing, I'm comparing the wrong parts of the journey. That's what I want to accomplish in tomorrow's episode. So please tune in for that. As always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU we do not have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Speaker 2:

Stay fulfilled. Thanks for watching.

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