#1657 - Sometimes You Need To Cross The Line To Find It…

We all grapple with finding balance—life swings between moments of taking on too much and feeling like we’re falling short. Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros dive into this common struggle in this episode. They share personal stories practical tips, and introduce the ‘drive to five’—a clever way to find that sweet spot between two ends of the spectrum. Tune in and discover how to navigate life’s ups and downs gracefully and purposefully.

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Show notes:
(2:38) Swing and miss
(5:05) To the center
(6:55) Life is a constant experiment
(11:34) The feeling of survival mode
(14:38) Overwhelm, growth through experience, and the pain of failure
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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:00

Next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. We hope you enjoyed yesterday's episode, episode number 1,656, freestyle Friday. I forgot what we talked about because I put it in another spreadsheet, but we talked about something.

Speaker 2 0:22

Our listeners. You're going to need to get it together for the listeners.

Speaker 1 0:26

We talked about something and it was Freestyle Friday Strong work. Thank you so much Today for episode number 1,657, sometimes you need to cross the line to find it. You have heard us talk about the drive to five many, many, many times, and what the drive to five is in any example we use, is there's usually one polarity, there's another polarity and then there's somewhere in the middle that we're aspiring to get to, and that's what five is. So one polarity is zero, one polarity is 10, five we're trying to drive to because it's confident yet humble. It's understanding your worth, but not overvaluing yourself, but also not undervaluing yourself. You invest money. You're not super scarce with money, but you're not overly abundant with money. Five is centered is the way we like to put it, also known as optimal. Optimal, some would say, but the only real way to find what's optimal is to swing and miss on both ends. Now, we all tend to have a home on one of these two ends. But my example for this we had our event last week or last weekend is today's Saturday. Yeah, so seven days ago we had our event and there is a post-hangover a post-event hangover that happens. I know the team that traveled and traveled back home is dealing with it. I'm definitely dealing with it. I know you're dealing with it in your own unique way.

Speaker 1 1:55

I thought I was going to be fine and then Monday came, alan was under the weather and I was like all right, you know what? I'm going to catch up on R&R and I'm going to kind of relax and get what I have to get done and just kind of hang out. Tuesday was a slower day for me. This week has been slow and I've had a ton of guilt about the fact that I'm not back at it a hundred percent, because before the event I was so burnt out, I was so overwhelmed, I was so anxious. I don't know if I even realized it. It was the pot of boiling water. I don't know why I can't talk today. The pot of boiling water where if it goes up one degree, you don't notice. If it goes up another degree, you don't notice, and then eventually you're sitting in boiling water and you didn't even know it got that hot. I think that's what I was dealing with, because there was no one thing that happened that overwhelmed me, but it was right now.

Speaker 1 2:50

At the time I was doing nine social media accounts and we're doing eight episodes a week. I'm doing seven here. I'm doing one with Podcast Growth U. I'm coaching a bunch of people, and it just got to the point where I was just not doing super well. Once the event ended, it was like there was a weight lifted off my shoulders, but I didn't feel that way yet. I didn't understand that. It didn't feel like it. I didn't have enough time to understand what that meant, and I think that's what this week was for me of.

Speaker 1 3:25

Okay, kev, we're getting back into waking up and going and looking at our habits for the day. We have enough time to meditate now we can really focus on what do we want to do for fitness goals? What do we want to do for business goals? What do we want to do for relationship goals? So sometimes you need to cross the line in order to find it. I went way past it in terms of productivity. Then I swung way back and now I wasn't super productive this week. The ultimate goal is to figure out okay, how do I get back to the center? So a very early next level nugget for this episode is you're probably learning a ton of valuable lessons, as long as you're looking for them. If you're either guilty that you don't feel like you're doing enough or you're burning to the ground because you feel like you're doing too much. Just make sure you find the lesson and then hopefully that lesson helps you land more in the middle. Next, time.

Speaker 2 4:18

Picture an upside down horseshoe on a graph. Oh boy, the max point is the five, center point point. So a graph with zero to ten, five is the. It's an upside down horseshoe and the maximum is five the old upside down horseshoe yeah, yeah, that old chestnut, yep very familiar with it. You throw nachos in the microwave, kev right yeah, you a big horseshoe guy.

Speaker 1 4:41

You play horseshoes back in the day.

Speaker 2 4:43

I did. I'm not a big horseshoe guy, never understood the game.

Speaker 1 4:47

I didn't get it.

Speaker 2 4:48

You just throw this thing at this stick.

Speaker 1 4:50

That's it. Yeah, that's what we're doing. We're just throwing it at the stick.

Speaker 2 4:53

Leaner is two, ring around is three. Within one horseshoe length is one.

Speaker 1 5:01

See, I didn't even know that was a rule, yeah is one.

Speaker 2 5:03

See, I didn't even know that was a rule yeah.

Speaker 1 5:05

They say close, but no cigar. Close but no cigar. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Yeah, because you get it close. That's why they say that Wow, that's a breakthrough, sorry go ahead.

Speaker 2 5:16

That's a huge. You've learned so much today. Yes, I have. Okay, so upside down horseshoe zero to ten Five is the maximum point, the optimal amount. Nachos, Kev, you put them in the microwave. Yeah, you with me.

Speaker 1 5:28

I'm there.

Speaker 2 5:29

Okay, cheesy nachos, put them in the microwave for three minutes is optimal. Three minutes is five. Three minutes it's the perfect amount of cheese melted. Four minutes burnt the cheese Not good, gets all kind of nasty. Two minutes it doesn't taste good because it's not melted, cheese is not melted. I always say optimal is three minutes and I think everyone can relate to that, because nachos are awesome. That's what we're talking about here. When it comes to, sometimes you have to overdo it to find five. So you had to try four minutes and then eat crappy nachos that are burnt or throw them out in order to figure out okay, four is too long, and then you have to try two and oh, cheese isn't melted. Okay, I gotta put it in for another minute. You have to experiment.

Speaker 2 6:22

Life is a constant experiment toward finding what's optimal and optimal changes. It slides, it changes based on the goal, based on the person, based on the circumstance, and so what is the optimal amount of people to invite to an event? What is the optimal amount of podcasts to do Self-improvement in your pocket, every day, from anywhere on the planet, completely free. For us it's once per day, because we believe in daily habits. There are certain people out there. Many of my clients included, listen to this podcast once every single day. One of my clients told me every single morning no matter what, bar none, whether my husband's in the car or not, nlu I'm listening.

Speaker 2 6:58

She says I'm listening to the boys. She calls us the boys, and right, and he was at the event too. He came with her to the event, which is awesome because I remember she said he was there, he loved it. I was like, oh no, was that his first exposure to us? Because that's a lot. And she's like, no, no, he's been listening for for a long time now, which was good. That gave me more certainty because if that was your first exposure to me, rut, row, we, we, we hammered it, but anyway.

Speaker 2 7:28

So back to the point of this episode. Everything in life, you're trying to find the sweet spot. And so Kev went over, over, over, over, over over anxiety zone, anxiety zone, anxiety zone burnout, struggle, struggle, bus. And now you over, swung back because your center point changed what you are capable of, you and I both. Okay, pre-event, event season. So, pre-event a lot more than we can typically handle, in addition to everything else we're already doing. Okay, during event typically. A lot more than we can handle in addition to everything we're already doing. Post-event hangover huge, high at the event. Right after the event huge, high. Connect with the team, awesome, wonderful, meet all the people, see all the people love it. Photos post event hangover the pre-event we learned a lot from previous five other events, so it was a little better this time. The during event we learned a lot from the five other events, so it was a little better this time. The during event we learned a lot from the five other events, so it was a little better this time.

Speaker 2 8:35

Post-event the hangover wasn't as bad. You and I talk about when we went to Arizona. We went to an event a Brendan Burchard event and you needed like a week to recover.

Speaker 1 8:47

Granted, that was a four-day event. And it was anxiety. I was recovering from what I thought was a sickness, but it was anxiety.

Speaker 2 8:54

Yes, I don't know if this is your experience, I would ask my experience was this hangover? Was it was a quicker recovery? I had one day that I was really exhausted and then I had the intestine thing going on. I felt like my lower intestine was being pulled. I had a bad stomach going on. I felt like my lower intestine was being pulled. I had a bad stomach Something. No idea if it was something I ate or what's going on. It's even got me questioning my love for sushi. It's like oh no, but anyways. So I know Devastating news. I got asked on a podcast earlier today what's your favorite food? And I said sushi. He's like what do you Sushi? He's like what do you what? With that hesitation, I'm like, honestly, I don't know if I can stomach it anymore after what just happened. I'm scared. We'll see and I don't think it was. I don't think it was the sushi, but we'll see. But anyways, was the, was the post event hangover better or worse than the past Worse?

Speaker 1 9:51

It was worse?

Speaker 2 9:51

Yeah, because I'm doing.

Speaker 1 9:52

I'm doing way more than I ever have.

Speaker 2 9:56

But in the past it would take a week to recover. Though I think you get up better, and I think you get up quicker and better each time.

Speaker 1 10:06

Well, I was already. I was already 10 out of 10. I was already so far into the anxiety zone that the I'm telling you the event didn't affect me as much in terms of overwhelm because I was already maxed out. There was not really much further for me to go. Yeah, so I just think I was counting down.

Speaker 1 10:27

There's this moment when the event finishes and we take pictures with every all the amazing humans who want to take pictures with us, and everybody's gone and we're packing up. There's this moment when the event finishes and we take pictures with every all the amazing humans who want to take pictures with us, and everybody's gone and we're packing up. There's this moment for me where it's like I can breathe. Now. This is like the first moment where I can actually take real breaths of okay, this is done. Now I can go back and I can focus on longer term stuff.

Speaker 1 10:51

Like I haven't tracked habits in two months. You know I went and updated my stuff yesterday. It's just copy and paste, let's see. And I think I got. I think I averaged like 63%, but I wasn't going in and tracking my habits every day. I've just been in survival mode, right, we went next level social media. We went from having three clients to 15 clients in a matter of a month. Yeah, that's nice. And since it grew so fast, I was doing nine of those clients, and that was. I didn't realize how much that was going to take out of me. That was a three hour block every single morning. I had to get up at five o'clock if I wanted to go to the gym and I wanted to get everything done. It just. It was a lot of pressure.

Speaker 2 11:33

I think pressure is the best way to put it. It's so interesting to me. A three-hour block intellectually sounds totally doable. Yeah, yeah, Like at 30 minutes of exercise a day. It sounds so intellectually easy. Sometimes it's like how are we going to?

Speaker 1 11:44

do this. Well then it's even okay. Cool that 30-minute block of exercise has to be the first thing in the morning. Can't do it at nine o'clock at night. Has to be first thing because these posts have to go out at a reasonable time. So that's one thing. Is it has to be early? Yeah, that's one thing. That was. It was so hard for me.

Speaker 1 12:10

You know how I'm wired I like to do something and then I like to finish something before I move on to the next thing and it's really hard to have open loops of okay half the social media is done. Where do I have another hour spot? I don't have it until four. All right hopefully I can get everything done in that hour before my next two calls. It's just been that Now, right now, I'm doing seven social media still Right now as we speak, not including my own. I'm doing seven social medias still Right now as we speak, not including my own, but no live event stuff. No live event stuff.

Speaker 2 12:38

And two less than what you used to do, so it feels easier.

Speaker 1 12:42

And the two less were two of the harder ones.

Speaker 2 12:44

Yeah.

Speaker 1 12:45

Now it feels like child's play. Yep, that's growth. So again, right now and this is kind of the lesson for this episode what I'm doing right now three years ago would have been 10 out of 10 anxieties.

Speaker 2 13:02

Oh, it wouldn't even have been possible.

Speaker 1 13:04

Yeah, but now it is.

Speaker 2 13:07

I never know if I get this to land Kev, but most likely not.

Speaker 2 13:10

One of the things. I get this to land Kev, but is there, most likely not One of the things. Okay, so Emilia, pre-event was I felt bad because she had to take on all the household responsibility. So Kevin and I had a conversation two months out from the event. My word for the year is proactive and there's a lesson in this. I don't want to just talk about us, but I said Kev, I got 80% of it this year. Keep doing what you're doing. You focus on next level social media, growing that. I'll focus on the event. Okay, yes, you still helped, but I would say 80% of the responsibility was me, 20% was you.

Speaker 1 13:43

Fair.

Speaker 2 13:44

And then AIM took responsibility, as well as the live event coordinator. So you're taking 80% of the brunt. So you're taking 80% of the brunt. You're taking 100% of the brunt of NLSM because I'm not really doing it. I'm taking 80% of the live event. I talked to Emilia and I said I'm going to need support because I'm going to be responsible for making sure this event season goes well.

Speaker 2 14:06

She ended up taking more and more and more responsibilities around the house to make up for the fact that I'm trying to do my big five to thrive writing, whatsapp slash email, sales, mobility and exercising every day. So my big five to thrive I haven't missed in 2024. That has been. I mean, if you think about it, it's 20 minutes, so it's writing is 20 minutes. Whatsapp slash email's 20 minutes. Sales is 20 minutes, so that's an hour right there. Then you've got mobility for 10 minutes and then you've got exercise for 30 minutes. That's an hour and 40 minutes a day. An hour and 40 minutes a day and that's if they're back to back to back with no breaks and none of that, and there's transition time. So let's call it two hours a day. I need, I need two hours a day and I keep siphoning time out of R&R in the evening because I can't get it done before 7 or 7.30 or whatever Something comes up. So she took up event season plus Big Five to Thrive, which she's been very supportive. She had to take on a lot of the household stuff Kitty litter watering hole is what we call it uh, the kitchen, kitchen dishes, food, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 15:21

There were times in event season where I I felt so guilty and I was in shame and I I was insecure and I felt bad. I felt bad for how much she had to shoulder and what. What I said is one I'll never let it happen like this again. But in a way I said that last year, yeah, but things are different this year and it's not the same. I mean, we've had events that went worse than that and not worse, but like we're brutal. The thing that's so hard about growth is that you need to go beyond the line to find it and when you live beyond the line long enough, when you go back to neutral, you are bigger. Now, you are capable.

Speaker 2 16:10

Now the amount of innovation that came from my frustrations and her frustrations trying to get it all done. First of all, there's no such thing as getting it all done, but there is such thing as getting more important stuff done by living in the pressure cooker. There's certain techniques, certain things, certain tools, certain lists, certain systems that we created during event season to make that work because it wasn't working. It's this weird duality between Kev, emilia, amy. We're in trouble, this isn't working. We can't do this. I don't have the time to make this work. Okay, so what do we do about it?

Speaker 2 16:53

One of the things that bothers me so much in life and my frustration is not with any listeners or you, kev, it's just with this effing concept. How in the hell are you supposed to improve without facing the pain of failure? I'm so convinced that, facing the pain of failure, I'm so convinced that, okay, I got injured. Now I do better mobility. Now I learned new mobility techniques. I injured my lower back. Now I have a perfect way system to make sure that doesn't happen. Now I'm foam rolling my lower back every single day without fail. And what are the other benefits that come from that? My workouts are better, I'm more pliable, I hydrate better, all these different things.

Speaker 2 17:37

I think most growth, unfortunately, comes from pain, it comes from failure, it comes from. Let me give this thing a try and realize I am inadequate. I saw I had to face every inadequacy during event season. Okay, now I'm doing 20 minutes a day of relationships, building relationships with amazing people. Dude, the reason why that was born is because I realized us not doing that is a huge jeffing For sure. And would I have ever realized that if we didn't face the pain of neglecting that since COVID and again, not fully? Obviously, we don't fully neglect that, but it's not something we focused on a ton. Some of the new social media stuff we're doing, all of that was born out of this. So I just. The question is how do you go past the line, but not so far past it that you nearly die and you don't live there?

Speaker 1 18:31

You can't live there forever. No, nearly die and you don't live there. You can't live there forever. No, I think that's the. I think that's one of the reasons people are hesitant to do something that's overwhelming is because they're afraid to live there forever. And I, I think, as human beings, it's easier to undershoot your entire life than it is to overshoot. It is, and it makes sense. I have nothing but empathy for that. It makes me sad because I understand what that's going to lead to.

Speaker 2 18:57

But everyone is either overshooting or undershooting.

Speaker 1 18:59

But I think most people are under, I think most people are undershooting what would be your advice, then I'm over.

Speaker 2 19:05

I know that. I'm grateful we did a smaller event this time. I thought that showed humility.

Speaker 1 19:11

Experiment with the other side. Just because you experience something doesn't mean you have to adopt it completely. You don't. There's ways to get out of overwhelm. You can dial it back. I would say this don't marry the thing that creates the overwhelm. So for us, if we were doing an event every month, our lives would. It's just not sustainable.

Speaker 2 19:32

There's no way we could do it, it would be awful. Yeah, it wouldn't be optimal.

Speaker 1 19:35

That would be so far over.

Speaker 2 19:36

we would burn the nachos or, in this case, burn us.

Speaker 1 19:39

But if we never did an episode, never did an event again ever. That's under, that's under Agreed. We have leveled up to the point where if we were to do one event every year forever, it would be easier than it ever has. Still challenging, but it's easier because we've become more and we know more and we have more lessons and all that stuff and the reason we have more lessons is we made all those mistakes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 20:05

And we make some of them again. But there are certain mistakes we'll never make again.

Speaker 1 20:09

Yeah, but the mistakes are based, it's just based on the goal. And if, like, we were going to do a retreat and we decided, eh, we're not going to do it, not this year, so we yeah, so we said that would be too overwhelming and it wouldn't be optimal, so let's just not do that, let's do that next year, let's push that to next year. We understood how overwhelming it was going to be based on what we just experienced and then we made changes. So I think it's that Don't sell yourself short by saying I don't want to experience any chosen overwhelm, because this is all chosen. We're choosing to be overwhelmed and I hope, whether you're watching or listening, you have the opportunity to do that, because I know sometimes your job probably overwhelms you and family, and bills and finances and stuff you're going through with sickness and all that stuff is super overwhelming. So this I'm talking about is chosen overwhelm, because some of the other stuff you can't really control, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 21:12

I asked one of the team members recently where are you at zero to ten, if ten is max capacity? And she said seven. And when she said seven I knew we still had three, three wiggle room. But if she said nine I wouldn't have added anything, because what if she gets sick? Yeah, yeah see a nine becomes 12. When you get sick, or when you burn out, or when you have a death of a loved one. Circumstances matter, oh they so do, brother.

Speaker 1 21:39

This is not that motivational time where it says no matter what do it, try to do what you can with what you have and don't sell yourself short. But circumstances matter more than I think.

Speaker 2 21:51

A lot of people want to admit this whole industry says, oh no excuses, regardless of the circumstance. Not the whole industry, but I would say half of it, everyone in the industry, by the way, I want to share that, like personal growth, personal development, self-improvement, there's either the people on the end of it, doesn't matter what the circumstance is, get it effing done, and then on the other end it's sometimes like, ah, you know, if it's meant to be, it'll be, I guess it's not aligned.

Speaker 2 22:16

It's like sometimes you got to do stuff you don't want to do. You do, but also circumstances matter, and there was days when I was sick for the first time in a long time where I was like it's not even optimal for me to do what needs to get done today, quote unquote. And so that's why I always talk about minimums. Minimums are so important. What are your minimums? What are your non-negotiable minimums? Maybe it's five minutes a day of something. Checking the box is so good for your self-esteem. And I don't mean checking the box meaning don't put in effort. I don't mean checking the box like lackadaisical whatever. But some days you don't have to do a 10 out of 10 yoga session every day. If you jump on the yoga mat and you get it done, even though it's not perfect, that's better than no yoga. And what's underneath that, more than anything too, is the compound effect and self-esteem. I don't believe, kev, that the compound effect and self-esteem. I don't believe, kev, that you can have high self-esteem without keeping promises to yourself. I don't. I've tried. I tried for years, dude, back when I was not into fitness and I wasn't going to the gym and I wasn't exercising.

Speaker 2 23:24

This is a bold statement, so please don't villainize me, listeners. I want to see you win. I told one of my clients this yesterday. I said my job really, underneath it all, is helping you be the most successful and fulfilled you can be Both I've been successful and deeply unfulfilled. I've also been deeply fulfilled and broke. Both of them suck, I promise. My job is to make you as successful and fulfilled as possible, and that means your unique version of that. So here's what I'm going to say. I didn't exercise for years Kev. I was never going to be fulfilled without exercising. I think that's a pipe dream. The neuroscience shows that when you exercise, the biochemistry that it releases, it reduces stress hormone, it increases all the amazing brain chemicals dopamine and oxytocin and you're never going to be. Please don't villainize me for this, but you're never going to be fully fulfilled without exercise. You just won't, and neither will I.

Speaker 2 24:21

I tried. So that's just one of those boxes you have to find a way to check. It doesn't mean it has to be every day, like me, right? You have to find a way to consistently check that box, though.

Speaker 2 24:33

I had someone reach out yesterday a community member, I'll keep it anonymous. He said hey, I've been really killing it. My credit score went up by 72 points. I've lost 10 pounds. I started working with a personal trainer. It's like awesome.

Speaker 2 24:44

If you have stories like that, please reach out. I love it. And I think there's a part of him that thinks he's bothering me. I could get messages like that all day, every day. I love it. I don't really care that much about the weather or what Patriots did or the football. Like, don't reach out to me about any of that. But if you want to reach out to me about success, I love it. I want to hear every success story and every struggle you've ever had. I love it. Success and struggle I need them both and that you can't have one without the other. But the point is he's been grinding paying off this bill, doing this credit card, working the extra hours, new job's been tough. But losing weight, personal trainer, the gym, 10 pounds I love it. I live for that. I want to hear every listener reach out saying, hey, I'm struggling here and I'm crushing it here and maybe I'll help you, but I might not even have to help you. I just love to hear about it.

Speaker 1 25:39

Progress is this thing that creates an aura around you. It creates this energy, it creates this yeah, it's really hard to explain. It's like it creates a light around you, like people can see it. When you meet someone who has a ton of progress and a ton of momentum, you can feel it. Everything is different. The way they stand, the way they sit, the way they have their chin up, their chest up, it's completely different. So I definitely second that. But sometimes you're probably going to burn yourself out trying to make progress and then you'll have to figure out what optimal is, and other times you'll undershoot and you'll get less progress because of it, and then you just have to figure out what's optimal and it's that forever.

Speaker 2 26:19

It's that forever, forever and ever. It's your next level, nugget brother.

Speaker 1 26:23

My next level nugget is. I think you can only accurately fear something to the degree that you've experienced it. In this case, right, you don't have to experience fire to understand and fear fire. That's a natural thing. Fire is scary, heights are scary.

Speaker 2 26:48

You'll fear it. The right amount when you've experienced it, though yeah, but you also might you might fear it more.

Speaker 1 26:54

Yeah, right, it's like yeah or you might fear it under that's. Yeah, it depends. I I've sat in in fire training. I sat in a fire. I like sat down in one because that was part of the training. Is you just kind of experience fire? It wasn't like a suit yeah yeah, with a, with the gear on and it was like interesting. Fire is like a very interesting thing. You know, I've been, yeah, I put out fire, so it's different. I wouldn't say I'm more afraid than the average person.

Speaker 2 27:22

I don't know less because you feel like you're more in control of the situation? Maybe so there's where humility comes in High humility.

Speaker 1 27:31

I love high humility. I'm a huge fan of high humility, high humility.

Speaker 2 27:36

You feel like you are competent around fire more than me. Although obviously less than some of the other people in the department. It's done. Some of your past 3 am car fire.

Speaker 1 27:48

I wouldn't consider myself.

Speaker 2 27:50

Hey, Kev, hook the X up to the Y up to the Z.

Speaker 1 27:53

Can't do it. I have no idea. I don't understand what you're saying. You say what? Just like we talked about the rapping, the martial arts and the comedy, it's like in certain rooms yes, I might be the only person who has ever had experience with that, if you, with a bunch of other people who do it professionally, I don't want to be there because I'm not going to be very good.

Speaker 2 28:08

Yeah, professional everything is hard. It's always more than you think, yeah. The point of that, though, is you are more confident with a fire than the standard citizen, yes, but you have to stay humble with it too. 100%. It's almost like the more confident you get, the more you need humility. The less confident you are, the more you're naturally letting fear drive, and you don't need humility as much. That's a whole other discussion, though. My next little nugget, I had it earlier when I asked you what was it? Hold on, please come back to me.

Speaker 1 28:44

Next little nugget. I found it Nice. I found it Nice.

Speaker 2 28:49

I found it.

Speaker 1 28:50

Nice.

Speaker 2 28:51

Go on. Sometimes, almost all the time, you have to let the old Phoenix burn down to rise anew, and that's what the emotional hangover was after the event. I'm connecting with Amy later today, live event coordinator Amy L shout out to you and we're going to talk about all the amazing things, but we're also going to talk about all the things that are not optimal, and I'm going to ask for feedback too. I've already done this with the rest of the team. I said is there anything that you noticed about my leadership that was constructive versus destructive? I got the 360 degree review and there's a lot I learned from that. There's also a lot of things we did really well. So the old me did burn down, literally and metaphorically, and the new us is rising from that, and I think that that's just par for the course. And burning down hurts, of course. You're not going to do great stuff where it doesn't hurt, that's. There's no such thing.

Speaker 1 29:48

So I have a new next level nugget. What's the old adage about the person who flew too close to the sun and their wings melted?

Speaker 2 29:55

Oh, isn't that Icarus?

Speaker 1 29:57

Icarus, I believe that is burning out, but many people don't know this and I don't even know if this is true, but somewhere and it's it is wisdom, so I'm gonna drop it the reason, the reason the reason he flew too close to the sun is because he couldn't fly too close to the water, because if his wings got wet he'd die too. So he chose to fly higher and he ended up getting too close to the sun. The truth is, if he went too low he'd be dead too, son and I think that's take it easy.

Speaker 1 30:25

Let Let me do this. Let me tell the tale. Okay, no, I'm kidding, but yeah, it makes sense. One's overwhelmed on one side, one's potentially overwhelmed on the other side. Now again, don't quote me. I don't know if that's even real, I don't know if anybody has ever said that, but I heard it somewhere and I said oh interesting, that makes a lot of sense, just like the jack of all trades, master of none. That's like only the first part of that. There's like a whole rest of the part that also has wisdom in it.

Speaker 2 30:54

Okay.

Speaker 1 30:55

Last thing on this episode yeah, what's happening? Yeah, quickly.

Speaker 2 30:59

If you stay underwhelmed for too long, eventually life will overwhelm you A hundred percent. If you stay overwhelmed for too long, you're going to burn down. Yes, there's a way to stay in your challenge skill, sweet spot that we've talked about so many times Snowboarding bunny hill at the beginning, eventually, black diamond. Do not start at the black diamond.

Speaker 1 31:21

No.

Speaker 2 31:21

That's how you break your tailbone, like I did. You broke your tailbone, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 31:26

In the wise words of Johnny Knoxville from Jackass we don't even have tails, so what do you need a tailbone for? So there you go. If you have not yet gotten your next level dreamliner for Q2, let's say you've already gone through your first 90 days. We have them. We'll have the link in the show notes to get them on Amazon. And if you have not yet joined Next Level Nation, please do so. A group of like-minded individuals who want to see you get to the next level and I think that's the best part of any positive community is people want to see you do really, really good things.

Speaker 2 32:03

Achieve your dreams 90 days at a time. I've got the. It's actually not focused. Achieve your dreams 90 days at a time is the've got the. It's actually not focused. Nope, achieve your Dreams 90 Days at a Time is the dreamliner. But that's also group coaching. Group coaching April 9th. Tuesday, april 9th is the first session of group 14. Group 13, congratulations again, team Breakthrough. I used to know all the names and it's become too overwhelming.

Speaker 1 32:26

There's a lot of them.

Speaker 2 32:29

I don't remember all 13 of them. Yeah, there's a lot of them. We have iterated on and improved this group coaching program 13 times, 13 quarters. How long is that, kev? So you're looking at three years and a quarter.

Speaker 2 32:44

Yeah strong word yeah. So three years 3.25 years we have spent and invested making this program as valuable as humanly possible. Click the link in the show notes, check out the landing page, watch the video. Look at what you get. It's a whole thing. Six weeks Most people are afraid of it because they're afraid to let themselves down again.

Speaker 2 33:06

Have the courage to give it a shot. We're going to be with you every step of the way. Amy's going to be with you every step of the way. Six bi-weekly coaching sessions, a team of 10 like-minded people. A lot of people have told me I was afraid that I wouldn't fit in. I was afraid that these would be next level people and that I wouldn't be next level enough. None of that. This is a place and a safe space to be who you are and to start at whatever level you're starting at. I don't care if you start at level nine, I don't care if you start at level two. There's no bullies allowed. Okay, so the most supportive group of people possible. Check out the link in the show notes. Reach out to me or Kevin via email that will also be in the show notes and just ask hey, what's this program about? Reach out, we would love to have you in group 14.

Speaker 1 33:46

Out, reach out we would love to have you in group 14. Tomorrow, for episode number 1658, going backwards might actually be going forward. I got a really a really vulnerable message from someone that gave me the thought to do this episode, so I think that'll be a really powerful one. As always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU, we do not have fans. We appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU, we do not have fans. We have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Speaker 2 34:14

Keep it in the sweet spot. Next level nation.