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• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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Growth mindset is a term that has become a buzzword in the self-improvement space. But beyond the jargon, what does it mean to embody a growth mindset, particularly in our daily actions and relationships? In this episode, Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros dive deep into the often neglected nuances between professing a growth mindset and living by one. They share real-life examples of individuals who have successfully applied a growth mindset in their careers, relationships, and personal development.

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Show notes:
(3:01) Problem with growth mindsets
(7:08) Words VS actions
(10:16) External over internal
(13:14) It’s a spectrum
(16:41) Next Level Dreamliner: the planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy: https://a.co/d/f1FWAQA
(19:03) Belief in growth mindset progression
(21:58) Where’s the pain?
(23:57) Keep dialing up that growth mindset
(31:53) Outro

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Speaker 1

Next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you get to level up. I forgot the intro. Hold on, let me do it again. No, no, we're going to run it, though Keep it live, don't edit it out. Where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your will, you've well done. Yeah, you'd think, after doing it, for I don't know how long we've been next level university at least a thousand, at least a thousand episodes.

Speaker 1

Right, four years, I don't know, I know when we had when we had episode 500 in the studio, we were next level you. At that point it was like relatively new. That's true regardless. This is how it happens. Sometimes it happens. We hope you enjoyed yesterday's episode, episode number 1668. One way we over complicate things today for episode number 1,668,. One Way we Overcomplicate Things Today for episode number 1,669, the Problem with Growth Mindsets.

Speaker 1

I just want to touch quickly on a little bit of how we can connect me for getting the intro to our last episode. In a question that you asked me, maybe in the previous episode, the last one, I don't know but Alan asked how do you get over the fear of doing things for the first time? And I said well, one of the things is when you do something, more and more and more, you realize each time you do it matters less and less and less in a way, and you know how many times I've messed up an intro at this point Many, many, many times. That's why something like that is not a big deal, because I know I have another however many episodes this week to do Four or five episodes this week, so it's not that big of a deal. So I just want to attach that to what we talked about in the previous episode.

Speaker 1

Alright, have you ever met someone? And you meet this person? Maybe you hit it off, maybe this is a person you're thinking about dating potentially, and you start talking to them and you say, yeah, I'm into self-improvement. I listened to a self-improvement podcast. I read self-improvement books. I'd say I have a pretty, a pretty growth mindset. And they say, oh, same, same, same, all about it, I love growth, I'm all about growth. And you say this is awesome, cool, this is a match made in heaven. And then, over time, you start spending more time with this person and the truth kind of starts to reveal itself and you can tell that this person is not into self-improvement and they don't really have a growth mindset. And then things kind of potentially start to get ugly and it doesn't work out in the long run. Why does that happen From your perspective, alan? Why does that happen? Well, I wanted to actually. Yeah, he wasn't ready.

Speaker 2

I wasn't ready. I wanted to turn this on you because there's you and I have both been in that situation, yeah, in the past.

Speaker 1

We'll keep it anonymous, of course, but in the, and I've been on the other end too, just FYI. I was the one who said he had a girl. So I like to throw that out there because I've been on both sides.

Speaker 2

Okay, so I will also. I just want to share my truth in this as well, which is I used to be into improvement. So pre-26, pre-car accident, I was into achievement and improvement, but not self-improvement. I was always into getting better and I definitely had a growth mindset when it comes to achievement, but I didn't have a growth mindset when it comes to me and my own abilities. So I was much more focused on external achievement, often at the expense of internal fulfillment. I've talked a lot about that. Okay, Then 26 happens Boom, car accident, Massive regret, Re-evaluate my life. Phoenix burns down, rises from the ashes. Then I'm focused entirely on self-improvement at the expense of achievement. And then I went all the way past broke and that's how I found out. Okay, success without fulfillment not great. Fulfillment without success also not great, although it is better than success without fulfillment. I always say you got to be ambidextrous. You need success and fulfillment. That's my belief, I think, but that's unique to each of us.

Speaker 1

Okay, and we did an episode on that last week on professional and personal development.

Speaker 2

Yeah, so last week we did an episode about professional development, personal development, ambidextrous that's the same concept. Now, when it comes to growth mindset, I did have a growth mindset. If you had talked to me pre-26, I would have said I have a growth mindset, I believe I can improve, but I didn't know that I wasn't focusing that improvement on self. I was focusing that on skill development, professional development, getting better at calculus, getting better at computer engineering, getting better at lab, whatever, getting better at basketball. So I always had growth mindset, but I didn't have the growth mindset that focuses on the inner work. And so what Kevin and I want to contemplate in this episode with all of our listeners is the problem with people who think they have a growth mindset when they don't, is that I don't think anyone sits there like if they were listening to this episode. Anyone out there, you're not sitting there going. I don't have a growth mindset.

Speaker 2

If you're listening to this, you don't have a growth mindset. If you're listening to this, you probably do have a growth mindset, but is that channeled on the inner work? Is that channeled on the outer work? And, by the way, do you have a growth mindset that that is level 10? Do you have a level 2 growth mindset? And so I wanted to ask you, kev, because one of your past partners, I think, claimed to have a growth mindset and really in hindsight kind of didn't. I would love your take on that. But it's not a zero or a one, it's not a yes or a no, it's a spectrum, and so there's two things here Zero to 10, how much do you have a growth mindset? And then the next question is is that focused outward, external, or is that focused inward, self-improvement?

Speaker 1

I. You know how it is In the beginning you're always putting on your best foot. And I have the running joke. I said this I don't know if I said it on the podcast or I said it somewhere but, and again, I haven't been on dating apps in many years because I'm happily married and was dating Taryn before that. But everybody, and their mother, claims to love hiking, everybody's avid hikers on dating apps Everyone, everyone, everyone. I don't know it doesn't really make any sense. Everybody loves hiking. But a lot of those people probably put that on there because it's like well, you know, I like to go for a hike every once in a while and it's attractive and it'll help me find someone. I a while and it's it's attractive and it'll help me find someone.

Speaker 1

I had connected with someone and ended up dating this person. And in the beginning they said what do you do? What do you do for work, all that? And I said, oh, I'm a, I'm an entrepreneur and I'm a podcaster. And they said what do you podcast about? And at the time we were the hyper-conscious podcast. And I said, oh, it's all about self-improvement, getting better mental health awareness, all that. And they said, oh, my goodness, I love that I'm all about that. I said awesome, cool. This is, if you want to give it a listen here it is Go ahead.

Speaker 2

No, no, that's beautiful, well said. What is your truth now?

Speaker 1

Well, I'm not going to get there, I want to get there. Okay, you know, you got to tell the beginning.

Speaker 2

Yeah, no, I appreciate it. I'm super excited, seriously. Well, in the beginning it was.

Speaker 1

I was like, oh, this is perfect, this is, this is exactly what I'm looking for, this is, this is going to be perfect. So end up going on a second date and then from there it was like all right, I'm sure over time our interests will start to kind of combine and very, it was very clear very quickly that, like I, was going to be the self-improvement in the relationship how did you know um?

Speaker 2

This is the goods right here.

Speaker 1

That's a good question. I don't know. It was just very clear that we weren't on the same page with that. This was the person I shared recently who, I could tell, kind of didn't believe in what I was doing. They weren't negative, they weren't down on it, but it was clear. It was like oh, that's cute. It was kind of that. It's like oh, that's cute that you're doing that, that type of energy. But I would say it was more in the actions, or lack thereof actions than anything else. That's it right there.

Speaker 2

Words versus actions. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1

And then over time, it was like okay, this isn't Because. That was. The challenging thing for me is I? I don't know. In the beginning I intended, I fully intended on dating that person and this is the thing that ended up as situationship, because it was like I don't, this isn't for me, this isn't something that I can see long term, and that person wanted to stay together even though there was no relationship.

Speaker 2

So that person would have said I have a growth mindset. I would say so yeah, what do you? What is your truth in hindsight?

Speaker 1

I think they are probably misdefining. Uh, let me rephrase I think they had more of a growth mindset when it comes to the professional side than the personal side, because this person was 26 at the time, I think, doing very well in their career, making really good money, excelling, growing in their career. So I think they were. They had a growth mindset when it came to that, but not necessarily their own. Self-improvement is what.

Speaker 2

I would say so. She was focused on improvement and achievement, but not self-improvement.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I would say or and, and maybe it was just less than I expected and my expectations were off and I didn't recognize what was there. That's. The other thing, too is, again, it's a fine line, right, because you and I grow for a living. That that's fair to say. The second we stop growing, we don't have anything to talk about and everything kind of burns down. I think at the time I assumed that person was going to grow at the same rate I was, and it wasn't. That wasn't going to happen and it was very hard for me to recognize growth. So I don't want to say that they didn't have any growth mindset in terms of personal, but it definitely was less than I had expected, based on the fact that you and I were doing so much work on ourselves at that point.

Speaker 2

Do you think that's because you were more than you expected? In hindsight, Like were you off about?

Speaker 1

how growth-oriented you were, probably because most of the people I was surrounding myself with were super into growth. At the time I lived with Matt. Matt and I were doing self-improvement every day. I was seeing you. I don't know I wasn't seeing you every day, but you and I were talking every day. We were working together. We were interviewing all sorts of people.

Speaker 2

Yeah yeah, this is also why growth mindset everything's so relative.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

You might think you have a growth mindset, but that's like me thinking I'm a great CrossFitter when I'm not at the CrossFit Olympics. That's what you came with I don't know what they call it.

Speaker 1

That's what you came with Out of all the analogies.

Speaker 2

Well, the CrossFit stuff is really challenging. Yeah, it's the worst. Yeah, it's brutal on your cardio.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's very challenging.

Speaker 2

It's insane and it's like when I did the triathlon, I didn't train for it and I just did it on a whim and I did a good job, I think. But I wasn't expecting to do that well, because I don't train. Some of those people do this all the time, like every other weekend, right, and so that's like me thinking I'm really athletic when I am really athletic, compared to, like I don't know, people who don't train at all yeah yeah, that's, that's growth mindset thing.

Speaker 2

It's not one or zero. The book by Carol Dweck, I love it. What is it? Is it called Mindset?

Speaker 1

It's called.

Speaker 2

Mindset. Okay, so there's a book by Carol Dweck called Mindset and it talks about fixed mindset versus growth mindset, but it's not two buckets, it's a spectrum. It's overly simplified, which we just talked about in the last episode. You've got to simplify things in order to implement them. This is the conundrum we're all in. You have to simplify it to implement. But if you overly simplify, you're not going to have a deeper understanding. And so your growth mindset now, compared to you at the beginning 0 to 10,. What do you think your growth mindset is now?

Speaker 2

personal development general all around, holistically probably self-improvement, improvement and self-improvement like holistic probably seven, external and internal. You think that you think it's seven?

Speaker 1

I think no, no, no, no. I know it's the way it's pretty high, just the way you said it you want fish, you want fish, you want fish that means that to me this is what I hear.

Speaker 2

I just want to share this with you that means that three out of every 10 random people have a higher growth mindset than you well, you didn't say like that's what I hear, yeah, but you didn't say I was comparing other people.

Speaker 1

You said I'll scale one to ten tens the most.

Speaker 2

That's what that means. It means like a random sample set of that.

Speaker 1

I didn't know you, I didn't know that have you been told me?

Speaker 2

have you been doing that?

Speaker 1

forever. Is that always what you? Yeah, oh yeah, I've been wrong every time. You've ever asked me anything. Zero to ten.

Speaker 2

My answer has been inaccurate emilia, and I had that conversation last night, I think, where I asked her zero to 10 and she'll say like six, and I'm like so you think that four people out of every random sample of 10 humans on the globe are like ahead of you in this? She's like oh, no, I'm like that's the question. She's like no, no, no, that's your yeah, I believe that's your fault. Well, that's a mathematical, statistical thing.

Speaker 1

Is that the way it usually is? Oh yeah, man, always that's like me saying how nice do you?

Speaker 2

think your apartment is Zero to 10, how nice is it Based?

Speaker 1

on all the apartments on the globe. Yeah, so you know, I would think of what I've had and what I'm going to have.

Speaker 2

That's the experience-driven versus the math. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, that's a big Jeffing for me. That's all gravy I've been ruining, I've been making some mistakes.

Speaker 1

It's all good.

Speaker 2

No, no, that's okay, so okay.

Speaker 1

Well, it's good. It's good that we came to it in real time Out of 10 people.

Speaker 2

Random sample globally globally 10 humans randomly picked from a hat. What's your growth mindset in comparison to that random yeah, yeah, that's what.

Speaker 1

I'm thinking, yeah, but if I'm thinking of where I was back then, when were you back then?

Speaker 2

Same question, but statistical sampling.

Speaker 1

I was probably still a five at that point. I quit my job. I put a lot of stock into this. I quit my job. I had a lot of you know.

Speaker 2

Yeah, probably five. That's a huge mistake, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1

Some days we wonder yeah, what about her Zero to ten? Same question.

Speaker 2

Same statistical sample size. Some days we wonder, yeah, what about her zero to ten? Same question. Same statistical sample set maybe a three. Okay, but I knew my number was changing fast yeah, so it's not just where you at, it's where it's headed and at what rate. It's just for the listeners. I was just gonna say it's just one of those things where it's where it's headed and at what rate, it's just For the listeners.

Speaker 1

I was just going to say it's just one of those things where we all know somebody who posts positive quotes all the time, but that's the extent of it and again, I'm not making that wrong. But I'm just saying if your expectation is that person has a different growth mindset than they do, you might end up in a weird place.

Speaker 2

How do you determine how much of a growth mindset other people have?

Speaker 1

Like when you meet people.

Speaker 2

How do you size that up? For lack of a better phrasing, I don't think.

Speaker 1

I've ever been accurate about this. I don't know if I have either. I tend to look at current results, right, wrong or indifferent. I tend to look at current results, right, wrong or indifferent. I tend to look at current results and I tend to listen to words that are chosen. So when somebody says I don't know, sometimes you can just tell. You can just tell with the words that people choose If they're empowered and they're growing and they're evolving and they're excited, versus if they feel stuck, if they feel like they're a victim, if they're struggling, if they're empowered and they're growing and they're evolving and they're excited, versus if they feel stuck, if they feel like they're a victim, if they're struggling, if they're suffering, I look at that more than anything. But I don't know if I'd have a good answer.

Speaker 2

But when you were stuck and struggling, you weren't saying that you were stuck and struggling.

Speaker 1

Yeah, but if you spent enough time around me, you'd be able to tell I don't think that's true.

Speaker 2

Not for me. I think you'd be able to tell.

Speaker 1

You don't think you personally could tell.

Speaker 2

I think I'm getting better at it. One of the easiest ways for me is actions versus words, but the words for me I always believe. I think I believe people's words so much I really, and I need to be careful of that, because actions do speak louder than words.

Speaker 1

I don't know. I don't think I have a good answer because it's not something that was really on my radar for the vast majority of my life. Now I'll go on a podcast and I can tell when I talk to someone based on kind of their reaction and their actions. I don't know if I have a good example. If I had a super fixed mindset when I screwed up the intro, I wouldn't have kept going. I would have said, hey, we got to redo this, this can live. I can't, I can't let this go. So I've been on podcasts where they'll mess up and then they'll redo it. That's so. And what does that tell you? One? They're probably nervous again. I've messed up intros live with guests. It's a, it is a whole thing. I mispronounce people's names. It's terrible. I don't know. I don't know if it tells me anything. I don't know. That's a challenging question to answer because I haven't. Really. The best answer I can give you is it's energetic and you can just kind of tell. Sometimes that's the best answer I could give you. But if you said, give me a three step process to figure it out, I'd have to think and I don't know if I'd be able to give you a good one, so it's intuitive. I would say so. Yeah, I would say so.

Speaker 1

Actions If you spend time around someone long enough, then you kind of learn Because the other thing too is some people don't value. You kind of learn Because the other thing too is some people don't value. I know someone who I had a conversation with recently and they said I'm never going to value self-improvement at the level you do. We started on a journey similar and that's what it was in the beginning, but that's not what this person is going to spend most of their time studying. It's going to be something else. So their growth mindset when it comes to personal might be drastically different than professional. I don't know. I think my personal is probably higher than my professional.

Speaker 2

Agreed, I would say that I think my professional is higher than my person.

Speaker 1

I don't know. I think both of yours are very high.

Speaker 2

I appreciate it, but which one do you think is higher?

Speaker 1

You ever talk about something so much you like forget Not what you're talking about, but like the the point of it. Has that ever happened to you? Oh, yeah, that's happened to me just now. Yeah, just, we've been talking about growth mindset so much it's like I forget what the point of growth mindset versus fixed mindset was the point was how to help.

Speaker 1

No, no, I know some people, you know no I I'm there, but it's like you ever say if you said, uh, truck, go, say truck 50 times, by the time you say it for the 51st, you're like is truck even the right word? Is that even, or am I mispronouncing it, or is it weird? That's where I am in the day, for some reason. I would say your professionalism.

Speaker 2

It's my tendency, I think we all have, and that goes back to the episode we did last week Righty or lefty, and that goes back to the episode we did last week, righty or lefty. Yeah, I tend to want to focus more on achievement.

Speaker 1

Well, where's the pain? I tend to want to focus more on system. Where's the pain? For me, the pain is success. For you, the pain is personal Right, so it's like it's your weaker one and you have more ground to make up, and it's more painful.

Speaker 2

And it's more painful, and it's more painful, and it's scary, and it's uncertain, and it's, yeah, it's uncertain. And then what do you? Do you avoid it, which makes it what, yeah, more uncertain.

Speaker 1

Well, it's righty and lefty. That's why I can throw with my right hand, but I can't throw with my left. If I practice throwing my left, I could throw my left, for sure anybody I think anybody could.

Speaker 2

But you have to get over the fact that you're gonna suck for a little while and you're gonna going to look really bad. You're going to look like you don't know at all what you're doing.

Speaker 1

Jiu-jitsu again. I haven't talked about jiu-jitsu in a minute here. Let me bring it in. When I was younger, I would learn all of the techniques on one side of the body because I didn't want to look bad Like. I know how to do this choke from the right side. I know how to do this choke from the right side. I know how to do this arm bar from the left side. I know how to do this from the right, You're screwed though. Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2

Yeah, you think someone's not going to find that out and just hit you every time, hopefully not I'm doing.

Speaker 1

Did I tell you? Yeah, I think I told you I'm doing a grappling competition on August 10th.

Speaker 2

I believe that's awesome day?

Speaker 1

no, it's not. Yeah, yeah, not the ring, not the ring, grappling, grappling, competition.

Speaker 2

No ring on mats I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I'm gonna try it. Okay, you're on the mat. On the mats no ring.

Speaker 1

It's a competition, though it's competition no punches, no kicks.

Speaker 2

No, I know okay, okay, because you didn't want to hurt your squash yeah, I know my squat I get in my brain.

Speaker 1

My brain is something I actually value. Never valued that growing up weird. But derrick, shout out to Derek. I believe Derek and I are going to do it together. Shout out to Derek. He mentioned he might do one and I said if you want to do one together, give me some time to get my stuff together. I'd be traveling a little bit but I'd love to do it. Nice, what's your next level lesson?

Speaker 2

The next level lesson is everything's relative. Try your best to look from the floor and the ceiling and try to figure out where your growth mindset really is and where it's headed.

Speaker 1

Mine would be very similar. Mine would be if you don't feel like you have a growth mindset, you can, even though that's kind of the definition of fixed mindset is you don't think you can, you 100% can.

Speaker 2

And if you don't think you do, you probably% can, and if you don't think you do, you probably do. That's the weird thing If you think, you don't, if you. I've never talked to someone with a fixed mindset who doesn't think they have a growth mindset. That's the paradox.

Speaker 1

Have you ever talked to somebody with a growth mindset, who doesn't, who thinks they opposite of what you just said? Yeah, what is it, though?

Speaker 2

Because I but it doesn't. They don't come out and say I have a fixed mindset. They say I don't feel like I believe in myself, and it's like you wouldn't have a coach if you didn't.

Speaker 1

No, I had coaches. I didn't believe in myself at all.

Speaker 2

But you obviously have a growth mindset, otherwise you wouldn't hire a coach. You know what I mean. I, otherwise you wouldn't hire a coach. You know what I mean? I think it's different, a little bit Like hiring a coach implies that you're investing in your success.

Speaker 1

Yeah, but what if it's a last ditch effort, which means you think?

Speaker 2

you can improve if you have the right support, which is in itself a growth mindset?

Speaker 1

I don't know, I think we'd have to flesh this out, because some people might hire coaches thinking it's the last they're going to get them the result. You ever had somebody come to you and say I need you and like really mean it, like I need you, my business is going to fail without you, like that? That's not a growth mindset. That's, if anything, that's a fixed mindset. I'm stuck. Everything's Jeff Potentially, I don't know, I wouldn't put that in.

Speaker 2

Not a lot of people come to me and say that that's a very vulnerable thing to say why Do people say that to you?

Speaker 1

No, I'm not a business coach, but I understand what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2

It's a very neat. That's a very scary place to be.

Speaker 1

I think I don't. Is that, is that gross.

Speaker 2

I've said that to Emilia, or is that fixed? But I've said that to Emilia, yeah, but you're in a unique case. What's that we?

Speaker 1

can't use her meaning, like we can't use data and it's not like need it's more like I'm my heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's different. My heart, that's different. I need to snuggle Different. Okay, but I don't know. We'll do another. We'll revisit it, because I haven't listened to it in a minute. But is it that simple of you? Either believe in yourself or you don't.

Speaker 2

I think it's you believe you can improve or you don't.

Speaker 1

You believe in the ability to.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that's the problem with this. Consciously, you might say I have a growth mindset, but unconsciously you might not believe in your ability to change. And that's what I run up against a lot is your words are saying that you believe in yourself, but your unconscious doesn't. You ever have someone like say I'm gonna do a 80-day challenge and then they never, ever, ever do it? Yeah, it's words over action. It's the conscious mind saying something but the unconscious not believing it, and that's a whole nother episode. Okay, like you said, I was better at writing than I think. What you're saying is my unconscious still believes I suck at writing from when I was a kid and I went to special reading class. Yeah, but I've I've overcome a lot of that, but my unconscious still hasn't caught up. That's fair. So I think that it can be that, but the opposite.

Speaker 1

One of the other reasons I. Well, it doesn't matter because it's not at all applicable to the episode. Did you give your next level lesson? I think so. I don't know what's in the air today?

Speaker 1

You know what I mean I did, man, but it's been an interesting day, all right. My next level nugget I already gave also, I think, and then you can't, I'm really not sure. Then you took it back, then you took the mic back. Just what do you want from the kid? I would say, just focus on moving at one notch if you can. What do you want from the kids? I would say, just focus on moving it one notch if you can. If you feel like you have a fixed mindset, super fixed, try to just move it one notch away. Maybe you don't go from I have a fixed mindset to I have a growth mindset. Maybe you go from I have a fixed mindset to I have less of a fixed mindset than I did before. I think that's where it started for me. I didn't go from having a fixed mindset to having a growth mindset. No, I went from having a fixed mindset to a less fixed mindset.

Speaker 2

Well, you used to believe you're born with what you're born with, and that's it right.

Speaker 1

I thought as smart as I was was as smart as I could be For a long long, like most of my life. I didn't understand. I remember Alan would send me books and I would say like, dude, why, what are we doing? Genuinely, I was questioning why I should read the book. Why, and again, maybe maybe you're in the same boat. I doubt it. You're listening to a self-improvement podcast. But even if if you are, I'm not making that wrong. I just it didn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 2

I had a very, very. You think you're very smart and I do think that's a big deal.

Speaker 1

Yeah, see, it's weird New identity.

Speaker 2

It's weird. New life yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1

It's weird. It's weird and I would say I have a very growth mindset, now, way more than ever, which feels really good. How many books have you read at this point? I don't even know. I don't know. I couldn't even tell you. Hundreds at least. At least, right Gotta be.

Speaker 1

I'd be slacking if I didn't Been lying to you all this time I just pick one and it's like oh yeah, hey, man, have you ever heard of this book? It's awesome. I just text you randomly out of the blue Read 16 books this week. Oh great, all great books. All right If you In Next Level Group Coaching round 14 starts this coming Tuesday.

Speaker 1

So this episode is dropping on Thursday as of Tuesday, the what did we say? 16th we will be starting 10 humble, heart-driven humans who want to get to the next level of their life. Maybe you identify as someone who is struggling with a fixed mindset. We got you, it's all good, we can take it slow, it's at your own pace, you don't have to worry about it. You don't have to keep up. You don't have to worry about any of that. Some people don't even attend live, they watch the replays. So wherever you are in life, wherever you feel like you are in your season of growth, we can 1000% help and support and make you feel safe in the vulnerability of growth. We'll have the link in the show notes. With the listener promo code, it ends up being 30% off. I'm absolutely butchering this right now. Nlu listener is the promo code. It takes 30% off and it ends up being $96.60 per month. You want to say anything about?

Speaker 2

it Nice work Thank you Everyone who's interested. Grab a humble, grateful and growth-minded friend and do it together. You'll hold each other accountable. You'll be sort of peak performance partners along the journey and it'll make it more meaningful and you're more likely to stick to your goals and dreams when you have someone else who's counting on you. So I hope that you do. The link will be in the show notes.

Speaker 1

Tomorrow for episode number 1,670. Coming up on 1700. Freestyle Friday. Don't know what we're going to talk about, but you will see in the title what we do talk about, because after we record it we'll change the title Freestyle Friday. We've gotten a lot of really, really good feedback on Freestyle Friday, so shout out to all of you who have given us that feedback. I love Freestyle Friday, Probably my favorite episode of the week honestly.

Speaker 1

I got to keep it real Takes me back to the old days, so that's what we'll do tomorrow. As always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU we don't have fans, we have family.

Speaker 2

We will talk to you all tomorrow. Keep dialing up that growth mindset Next civilization.

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Kevin Palmieri

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