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#1689 - You Can’t Learn How To Swim On YouTube

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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Just like learning to snowboard or how to use new gadgets at home, life throws us curveballs that need us to jump in and learn on the go. Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros discuss diving into hands-on experiences in this episode. They discuss learning the technical parts of a skill and dealing with the emotional and mental challenges that come with it. For example, to overcome the fear of being judged, we need to take action - it’s about trying that snowboard, falling, and standing up again, even when people are watching. It’s about understanding that it’s okay to make mistakes and that every mistake brings us one step closer to becoming an expert.

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Show notes:
(3:30) Like oil and water
(6:32) The process of learning by doing
(9:04) Thinking, seeing, knowing, teaching
(11:53) Level of awareness: Simple ye

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Intro

Speaker 1

Next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. We hope you enjoyed yesterday's episode, episode number 1,688,. What Are you Not Willing To Do To Succeed Today? For episode number 1,689,? You Can't Learn how To Swim On YouTube. I remember when I was I don't know 26, maybe 20, 25, 26, I was going to go snowboarding for the first time ever and I remember I was on the road. This was during my travel days for my, for my job. I remember I was sitting in a hotel either before work or after work and I YouTubed how to snowboard how to snowboard work and I YouTubed how to snowboard, how to snowboard Nice, and I remember thinking this is cool, this is good.

Speaker 1

Okay, put your pressure on your toes, put your pressure on your heels. Okay, let me stand up. And yeah, yeah, I can feel that. All right, cool, I can feel that that makes sense. Uh, what was the other one? There was a bunch, right, there's a. There's a bunch of getting off the chairlift. That is a whole experience. Let me, how does that? How do I do that? Well, you have your. What do you have your front foot? Is your front foot clipped in the whole time I haven't been in?

Speaker 2

yeah, so your front foot's clipped in and you throw your if you're goofy, your right foot goofy is is opposite, right the opposite yeah so if you're regular, if you snowboard regular, your left foot is forward. If you snowboard goofy, like I do, then your right foot is forward.

Speaker 1

So you have one foot that stays in the bindings at all times and then the other one is just kind of hanging loose. That's how you kind of maneuver around the chairlift and when you get off the chairlift you got to hopefully ride off into the sunset. But a lot of people they eat crap.

Speaker 2

Not great for your ankle on that chairlift. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1

But getting off the chairlift was. I was like there's no way. How am I going to do this? This looks. Why do they have videos on that? This must mean something. It must mean something that they have a dedicated video on how to get off the chairlift. That must mean this is harder than I think it's going to be. So I watched a bunch of videos. I played with my feet and said, all right, heels, toe, heel, toe, heel, toe, awesome.

Speaker 1

And then I went snowboarding for the first time and I don't think it helped me at all. I don't think those YouTube videos helped me at all when it came to the physical realm. I think it helped me understand things, to the physical realm. I think it helped me understand things. I think it helped prepare me in some way, shape or form. But I pointed my board down the mountain and I started moving and then I figured it out as I went and by the end of the first day I was just as good as my partner at the time. So I learned how to snowboard pretty quickly. And then you kind of have to relearn every year, because you take a year off and you go twice. So that is a whole thing.

Like oil and water

Speaker 1

But the reason I wanted to do this episode is I was very afraid of judgment. When I went to the mountain I was super nervous that I was going to fall a million times or I was going to have to walk down the mountain. And I believe that messy action is one of the kryptonites to someone like me who deals with fear of judgment. Because here's the interesting thing If you're doing something for the first time and you're not doing it with a bunch of people who are also doing it for the first time, you most likely are going to be afraid of judgment. But imagine if you went and learned how to swim or snowboard or ride a bike or whatever sew paint whatever with 15 of your friends who had never done it. It would probably be a really good time because you all would not know what you're doing and you would connect and you would bond on that.

Speaker 1

So I think messy action and fear of judgment are like oil and water and I think that's why it's one of the that's one of the big reasons it's so hard to build momentum or to get to a new level, to the next level, because if we're afraid of judgment, we're going to wait for the perfect action and there's never going to be a perfect action and the beautiful side of things is messy action is going to give you lessons that you could never get from a YouTube video. You just you kind of got to experience it At least that's me. I do really well with experiences. I like to physically do something. That's the best way I learn, so I thought it would be a unique, interesting place to start an episode.

Speaker 2

I was thinking while you were talking about what I wanted to share. And the experiential learning is where most of the learning takes place, the point of studying when you go to school. So I remember you had theory, you had class, then you had lab, and in class you'd learn about computer engineering, and then in lab you'd actually code a real program and it was always in lab. That was harder, at least for me, and you'd learn a lot more. And then it would be like oh, that's why they taught us that in the book. And so I think it needs to be both I do. You can't just study books. You won't get anywhere.

Speaker 2

I know people who so, kev, I'll use you as an example. I have some people in my life that I've coached in the past that they've read a hundred books a year, every year for three or four years. But I would consider you more successful than them in pretty much every regard. They're smarter than you quote unquote when it comes to like knowledge. But knowledge is only a small part of the equation, and so I think we're all on one end of this spectrum, this spectrum, this spectrum or the other. I think some people, you tend to be all experiential learning, so you would. Just it's interesting that you were watching YouTube videos on how to snowboard. I think that was probably more anxiety-based than it was desire to learn.

Speaker 1

I would say so.

The process of learning by doing

Speaker 2

But Kev jokes about how now he's read, we actually calculated yesterday 83 plus 51. So you've read like 100 and 140. 130. 100., 144.

Speaker 1

134. 134.

Speaker 2

No, no, 144. I don't know, yeah, 144. 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 134. 134. No 134. So you've read 144 books at this stage.

Speaker 1

No 34.

Speaker 2

It's 134.

Speaker 1

134 books at this stage 83 and 51?.

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, 20,. Yeah, 134,. Correct, strong work. Okay, so 134 books, and so you're 134 books more intelligent, but that doesn't mean you're 134 books better at anything. That's the thing that I really hope lands for everybody.

Speaker 2

You have to understand how you work, how other people work, how the world works, why it all works that way, in order to make good choices. But you still have to make the choices, and so you can't learn how to snowboard by watching YouTube videos, unless you're already snowboarding. It's it's imagine you watch a YouTube video, then you go snowboarding. Then that night you watch another YouTube video, then you go snowboarding the next day, then you watch another YouTube video and then you read a book on snowboarding, and then you also read a biography of a snowboarder. So you get inspired and motivated. It's supposed to be a learning loop that is both experiential and theory. It's theory versus practice. That's what this is. It's clouds and dirt, so you can live all day in the clouds and you end up delusional, but you know a lot. Or you can live all day in the dirt and get your hands dirty, and so you know how to do a lot, but you don't necessarily know the bigger picture it's the forest and the trees thing.

Speaker 1

You've got to feel it. There are certain things you've got to feel. You have to feel it and again, maybe that's probably, I think I'm on the high end of that where I really really need to experience something. I have changed a little bit of my strategy at jujitsu because I was doing two classes a week that was sparring, and I was doing two classes a week that are like you learn it's just a slower pace you learn and then you practice it and then you learn an evolution of that and then you practice it and you learn evolution of that and you practice it, and by the end of the class you kind of have a whole sequence and I realized that me going and sparring is really good.

Thinking, seeing, knowing, teaching

Speaker 1

But I don't. I learned some stuff but I could never explain to you what I learned. I can just do it and I think there's a. There's a very big difference between knowing something. There's a very big difference between thinking something, seeing something, knowing something and then teaching something. And if you can teach something, that means you really know it, and that's. I realize that I do some stuff and I don't know why or how I do some of the stuff and I couldn't explain it, but that's not necessarily good when it comes to fundamentals. I don't know enough fundamentals where, if you said, sit down and teach me these three things, like I don't know if I could teach you some things, but I don't know if I could teach you those three you'll always ask me things behind the scenes like well, how did you calculate that?

Speaker 2

and the truth is I don't actually know. I don't have like. You're like, well, what's the equation that you're running? Emilia does this all the time because she really wants to learn. She doesn't like when I solve problems without her learning how I did it or why I did it the way that I did it.

Speaker 2

So, for example, we've been having Alexa issues lately and so I bought one of the new Echo Pops. Today's episode sponsored by Echo Pop. No, it was 50% off. It was only 2020. Thing's awesome, so seriously. I'm not getting any money for that, obviously, but I just love it. It's really good.

Speaker 2

So we got a new Echo Pop because our Lexus kept. So we have a sleep playlist that we play every night during bed and it would keep turning off, no matter. We've tried a thousand things. I think it's software. I think we have to update the software on all of our Echo Dots. Plus, we've got automations. We've got a smart home, so we've got four, now five Alexas in our house, so they are watching me, but anyways. So this morning she got a 90 sleep score, I got an 87, which is the best we've had in a long time because of this issue. It's been like a week and a half Feels like a lot longer than that, probably because we're not getting great sleep, but anyway. So this morning I could tell she's so pumped that it got solved, but she's irritated that she doesn't know how or why. We have no idea why it's still her Spotify account. I think the new Echo Pop has the latest software and it isn't messing up.

Speaker 2

But my point is is that every single time I'll try to teach something or I'll do something that I'm really competent in like spreadsheets or formulas or finance or metrics or business she'll always say, well, how did you do that? You say the same thing, well, how did you calculate that? Or how do you know? And the truth is on the surface. I don't actually know, and this is what I do with my clients, and I'll make sure this comes full circle. I don't know why I'm out of breath this morning, but anyway. So I'll have my client, I'll close my eyes and I'll say I have to close my eyes when I do this. I don't know why, but I need to know where you're at in terms of mathematical competence. And so I was on with one client. I just I did this because I need to know where their awareness is.

Level of awareness: Simple yet complex

Speaker 2

Otherwise I'm teach, I'm redundant, like if you're a, if you're a semi pro snowboarder and I'm teaching you heel toe. This is a waste of your time and you shouldn't be paying me Right. But if you're at the beginner, I can't teach you how to do a five 40, you know that kind of thing. So that's what I'm trying to do in coaching at all times, I need to know where someone's at, I need to know where you've been, I need to know where you are, I need to know where you're headed, I need to know what you know and what you don't know. Otherwise I don't know what to teach you. So, anyways, I close my eyes and I say stop me when you don't understand.

Speaker 2

And Trigonometry, pre-calc, calc 1, calc 2, calc 3, calc 4, differential Equations, linear Algebra, statistics, boolean Algebra, discrete Mathematics, and I'll say which of those don't you understand. And the reason why I say that is I need to know what you don't know so that I can teach you how to succeed. And that's only one modality. I mean there's, there's like that's the math frame, but there's a bunch of others, depending on what your business is. Obviously, everyone knows their industry really well, man, everyone knows their thing really well, but they don't know why. They know it because of experiential learning, if you've been doing something for a decade. So I've been teaching Emilia fitness bodybuilding. It's like a combination between bodybuilding, hiit training and cardio, and she's using this app that I've been talking about. I forget what fit bod, I think, is what it's called, and the app uses AI to create workouts based on her goals and I think it's great, but it also sucks compared to what I would create. But I've also been doing this for 13 years now and so off and on, off and on for 13 years Nine, not off and on.

Speaker 2

And she'll always ask well, why that workout? And I can't really answer because my first answer is that's optimal. Well, what do you mean? Based on your goals, based on your body comp, based on where you were, where you're headed. That's what my brain has calculated is optimal for this. But I can't explain it.

Speaker 2

And then, when I unpack the formula, it's weight, it's total volume. So it's weight times, reps, times, exercises, times. Weight times, reps, times, exercises. It's weight times, reps, times, sets, times, exercises in frequency, intensity, density, duration, in a short amount of time. How do you maximize total volume, total output, in the shortest amount of time possible in the muscle groups that actually activate most? So she'll ask things like well, why do we do this workout? And at first I can't answer and then eventually I unpack it, it's like okay, and then I finally get there. That's really the reason. But the truth is there's 50 reasons, there's 50 000 reasons there's and that's why I think life is so complex and I'm complexifying even this. The the universe is based on simple fundamentals but they're complex to understand, like that youtube video, for YouTube probably made it sound really easy.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

Heel, toe, it's all good. The simple fundamentals of snowboarding are easy, but you can spend a lifetime trying to master snowboarding and I think that's the duality we all need to hold. And to go back to the beginning of messy action you can't master anything without messy action. You have to actually be in the ring, you have to be in the arena. You can learn about relationships all day, but if you're not in an intimate relationship, you're not getting all of the compound effect.

Speaker 1

Well, there's a big difference between everything you need to know and everything you need to do. Everything you need to know is it's an understanding, and then I think everything you need to do is a skill. It's a skill and it's an experience, and then there's yeah, then it compounds off of that, but it just yeah, it just takes time. The messy action is everything Messy action is. I tell my clients that all the time I don't care, I don't care about perfect launch, I don't care about any of that. It doesn't really matter. None of that really matters. If we're not here in six months, agreed, let's just take messy action and let's just get it out there. And this is the interesting thing the amount of messy action I try to inject is directly connected to the amount of perfectionism the person has, because if they're a perfectionist, I want more messy action Because I know we're never going to. I had a client recently. I want more messy action because I know we're never going to.

Understanding and experience

Speaker 1

I had a client recently. We've been compiling episodes for months and months and months and months and I messaged them, I emailed them and said, hey, when do we want to launch this thing? And they made a joke. They said what do you think about April 1st, april Fool's Day, ha ha. And I was like that's where we're going to launch. We're going to launch April 1st, that's it. Nice Done, we're going to launch. And I thought they were serious. So I ended up messaging them after we launched and I needed a couple of things. I said, hey, can you give me access to this and this? And they said when do you think and launch? And I said, oh, we already got three episodes. We already got three episodes out there.

Speaker 1

And I said based on the conversation we had, I thought that was the best course of action. And she said well, I was kind of kidding, but she said about stuff that you've already done is not going to make the stuff you've already done better. It's still the same thing. You just are more comfortable with knowing that you don't know. And I know you know more than you think you do. So that's the messy action. Messy action is a superpower. If you have it, it's amazing. If you're struggling with it, it's definitely something that will be very beneficial if you can lean into more. And here's the other thing I know some people who are really good. They are so good at messy action they're not good at cleaning it up as they go.

Speaker 2

Improvement, yeah, so that's another.

Speaker 1

I'm really good at getting things started. I'm not nearly as good as Alan at improving things.

Speaker 2

as I go, I'm trying to get better and I'm trying to focus on to start, but I was always good at staying consistent and improving along the way, so we're a good team with that. One thing I wanted to say while you were talking what was it? I guess the first thing I would ask, while I also think of the next thing, is why do you think you're such a strong starter, especially as someone who fears judgment? It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1

I get excited to start things. I get excited. I get excited when I can take action and see progress. I like that. I really. I enjoy that very much, I enjoy that?

Speaker 2

Were you scared to launch the first episode of the podcast, or were you excited?

Speaker 1

I think I was excited From when I, from when I went on your podcast, your YouTube channel I can't say podcast, I can't. I got to say YouTube channel, it's okay. When I went on your YouTube channel to when I launched the podcast was probably two weeks. Maybe I ordered the stuff. I think I ordered the stuff the day after we talked and then I paid someone to make the artwork. There was no intro, outro or anything at that point and then I think I released the first episode a couple weeks later.

Speaker 2

Welcome to the mother effing hyperconscious podcast.

Speaker 1

Who knew? I didn't know what I was doing.

Speaker 2

I don't understand, though, if you're afraid of embarrassment, if you're afraid of judgment. Rather, why are you not, I guess, why doesn't that hold you back like?

Speaker 1

were you embarrassed to snowboard. Yeah, for sure at the beginning.

Speaker 2

Yeah, because I didn't think I was gonna be able to do it I knew I podcasting you. Yeah, I knew I could podcast I knew I could.

Speaker 1

I knew I could. I wouldn't say I knew I could do it well, but I knew I could speak into a microphone and have deep conversations. That's something I knew I could do it well, but I knew I could speak into a microphone and have deep conversations. That's something I knew I could do Because you'd already been doing that for so long yeah yeah.

Speaker 2

Not into a microphone, but you've been having deep conversations your whole life, so there's something to that too.

Speaker 1

And I don't think I really cared about listening like anybody listening in the beginning. I wasn't tracking the numbers. In the beginning I didn't really care, I just wanted to do it. And then it became-.

Speaker 2

I think that's the best way to start. I think so too. Just start out and it's all gravy. Oh, I figured out what I was going to say. I was in book club and I don't know if this is going to land, but I want to try. I want to see if I can flip the script, because I know a lot of people don't think this way. And think differently has always been kind of my mantra, ever since I was a kid. That was Apple's marketing back in the 90s think differently and I always, like thought about that. So I actually I tried to reframe something and I'll do this for our listeners. I was in book club and I said the truth of the matter is is that in some ways, the podcast still sucks. We just suck less than we used to. That, I think, helps me.

Speaker 1

I don't know if that's useful for anyone else, but it sets the expectation right.

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, we're not finished it's like, yeah, yeah, we're not done we're not in final form like when we look back at episode one, it wasn't good.

Think differently

Speaker 2

It might have been good relative to other episode ones. I don't. I don't know, but I don't live from the frame of I hope this episode is world class. I live from the frame of I'm gonna do my best on this episode and it's probably gonna kind of suck, but it's definitely gonna suck less than it used to. So my frame is twofold. It it's a duality. One is I want this episode to be better than the last episode and better than previous episodes in general. But I think a new frame for this might be when you start something.

Speaker 2

This was helpful for me and I don't know if this is normal or what, but I didn't expect to be good at snowboarding right away I expect it to suck. I think everything you do when you're a beginner, even if you're the best beginner, you're still a beginner. You can be the best beginner basketball player of all time and you're still going to suck so bad compared to someone who's been playing for 10 years, and so I really like to think about that. It's like, yeah, this podcast is really valuable. I think it's actually as far as holistic self-improvement goes. I think it's the most valuable podcast you can possibly listen to.

Speaker 2

I genuinely believe that wholeheartedly and I've listened to many, many, many, many, many, many, many many podcasts in this space. But I like the frame of we still kind of suck. We just suck less than we used to and next episode we're going to suck even less and the episode after that we're going to suck even less. So to me it lowers this fear of failure, because there is no failure when you already think you kind of suck yeah, and that's a good perspective, but it's also a duality, because I don't actually think we're bad.

Speaker 2

So it's like that weird mind game kind of that, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1

I think somebody asked me on a podcast the other day and I said why do you expect to be good at anything in the beginning? I think we want to be good, but there's a difference between desire and expectation. The desire is I want this to happen. The expectation is I have no proof that I'm going to be good at this Because I've never done it before. I think if you're going to learn something new, go learn it with a bunch of people who haven't done it. I think that's a really good way to learn Because you'll probably, as long as they're safe and they're people you trust you can be vulnerable with, you'll probably fear judgment a little bit less because you know everybody's going to kind of suck because nobody's done it before.

Speaker 1

And to speak to the first part of that, somebody asked me the other day. They said you guys have accomplished a lot in the podcast and the business and listens and all that happy jazz. What's left? And I said everything is left. We've pretty much accomplished nothing In the grand scheme of things. I know it looks like a lot, but it's just a very unique point in time where some numbers line up and they look better than they did at this point last year. We have a lot to accomplish, almost everything still. In the grand scheme of things we've accomplished very little, but it looks really good where we are today.

Speaker 2

But it's hard to explain that.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

What would you have thought back then, asking us that let's say you interviewed you.

Speaker 1

I do think we have accomplished a lot. That is my truth. I never expected to be a million dollar business and a million listens and all that. I never expected that, genuinely, I never expected that. But now that I believe in what we're capable of, of course, I believe that we're more capable than I ever thought we were. So I think it is, I think it's that juggling act of those two things. I'm very grateful and I'm very happy with what we've done and I feel I'm very proud of what we've done and I'm very surprised with what we've done. But I'm less surprised now than I was at the beginning. Yeah, it's not. That's the hard thing, alan. You don't go from zero to a million, you go from $990,000 to a million. It's only one dollar more or one listen more than $999,999, but it's a new milestone. That doesn't. Yeah, it's not that big of a difference from $999,999.

Speaker 2

What would I know? We got to jump. What would the? We got some time. What would the version of Kevin imagine? At the very beginning, you had you on, so the Hyperconscious podcast. You had me as your first guest. Imagine instead of me, you had you. Now the hyper conscious podcast. You had me as your first guest. Imagine instead of me, you had you now, what would you ask him?

Speaker 1

I don't know, because I don't.

Speaker 2

I don't think I had enough awareness of wouldn't you have thought that he was like living the dream? And, yeah, I probably would have said what I probably would have said.

Speaker 1

What's it like to be successful? What is that like? And I'd say what would your? Answer be I'm not nearly as successful as you think. I am Not nearly. This is the coolest thing ever. Not nearly as successful as you think I am.

Speaker 2

What else?

Speaker 1

What else we should do?

Speaker 2

the freestyle Friday on this, uh, uh have your past self, interview your future self. That'll be the episode That'll be fire.

Speaker 1

What else I don't know. I probably would have asked what have the biggest lessons been? I always like to ask people who everybody else thought had it all figured out, what they didn't have figured out. I always enjoyed those questions.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

The power of messy action

Speaker 1

And certain guests would really go and other guests just wouldn't. And it made me sad because I was like ah, damn, that was a really good question and you're just, you're stonewalling me, you're not gonna go there. Probably that what's the what's something that you're surprised that you feel comfortable in, that you never thought you would. What's something that you're surprised that you still don't feel comfortable in that you thought you'd overcome by now.

Speaker 2

Oh man.

Speaker 1

Answer younger Kevin's questions, please. Sales I feel very comfortable in sales. Quick story I paid $1,000 to get out of a personal training job because I hated sales so much in my mid-20s and I forgot this too. Now you're the chief sales officer.

Speaker 2

I'm the chief sales officer.

Speaker 1

Successful company yes, I they actually cut my pay. They cut my pay because I was so bad at sales kevin's the chief sales officer of a million dollar business.

Speaker 2

Wild younger kevin would be like whoa for sure, you hate sales you know it's funny, that would be that's the.

Speaker 1

That's the surprising one, I think the the one that I haven't overcome that I thought I would is probably imposter syndrome. I don't know. We were talking about that yesterday. I don't think I'll ever overcome that Because I'm really always living outside of what I'm capable of. I'm not. I'm always kind of everything is kind of evolving faster than I am, which I don't think is a bad thing, but I do think I will be in a perpetual state of imposter syndrome for most of yeah, for most of my life. But I feel very used to that and I feel like I know how to deal with it, so I guess that's a unique strength now, how much messy action have you taken over the last seven years?

Speaker 1

Oh man.

Speaker 2

Everything.

Speaker 1

I would say yeah, probably every day, probably every day, yeah.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I think it's the unsung hero man. We don't talk about it anymore. We used to talk about fail forward all the time, I know, way back in the day we talked about failing forward all the time and you used to say how you Never understood that, or like fully understood or embraced. Fail forward until you and I met.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

And you used to talk about just fail forward, put in the reps. Remember, we used to always say that Just put in the reps, just put in the reps.

Speaker 1

We were talking yesterday, we were preparing for group coaching, which is it's yesterday if you're listening to this, on Wednesday, it was last night. It's yesterday. If you're listening to this, on Wednesday, it was last night. And I said, isn't it? It's interesting how every single group coaching session is a game, but it's also practice. It's a game because we're trying to give it everything we got and we're trying to make it as valuable as possible, but it's practice because by the time we do this again next time, we're going to change so much so almost every time we're doing, some of the material is similar. We're going to change so much so almost every time we're doing, Some of the material is similar, but we try to change the stories and then the frameworks change and the graphics change and the order changes and everything. The questions change, the fonts.

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole layout.

Game and practice

Speaker 1

It's always a game, but it's always a practice. At the same time and I think that's really what messy action is is the social media post I do today matters today, and then it doesn't really matter that much tomorrow, unless I'm trying to go viral, but I'm not. That's not our intentions, so it's that old chestnut of today matters, but it really only matters as much as what you do tomorrow and what you did yesterday. And everything matters when it's connected more.

Speaker 1

That's why I think what'd you say I was going to say? That would be my, my final thought on that.

Speaker 2

The last thing I'll share is I'm always trying to share the unsung heroes that we used to say this back in the hyperconscious days. I'm always trying to share the unsung heroes that we used to say this back in the hyperconscious days let's pull back the curtain on what it really took to succeed and instead of that same verbiage, you have the tip of the iceberg and you have the results that you see on the outside, and then beneath that you have all of the beliefs, values, beliefs, values, understandings, awareness, actions, habits, mastery all these things underneath it, and I'm always trying to unpack and bring to the surface the things that are way underneath the iceberg. And when it comes to you and I's trajectory and what we're trying to impart with all the listeners is messy action is one of the things that just is never not going on. We're never not doing that. And, to be completely transparent and I'm not just saying this I think we've actually sucked at quite a few things, but we've done messy action so well and if we didn't messy action, action plus improvement If you just messy action, you won't get any better. So you need the second piece and, trust me, we've done a lot of messy action without improvement too.

Speaker 2

Our YouTube channel for a hot minute there was not good at all, and so you got to reallocate your efforts and stuff, but at the end of the day, put in the reps, you're never going to have a perfect training program. You're never going to have a perfect training program. You're never going to have a perfect coaching program. You're never going to have a perfect relationship. You're never going to have a perfect home. You're never going to have a perfect anything. It's the perfection is not real. It's so useless, it's a useless idea even. And so, if you can, just, we don't want to look bad, we want to look good. I was thinking about this earlier. People don't want to take status hits, but because of that they end up less than they could be.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

And so, unfortunately, if you're going to embark on any new journey to the next level, you're going to take a status hit at this level. You know how many L's I've taken, giving speeches that were beyond my capabilities, I mean, and if I didn't do that, we just wouldn't have gotten here, and I just don't know any other way other than just bite the bullet and have the courage to look. If you don't have the courage to look like a failure, you will be one. That's the hard truth.

Speaker 1

Yeah, one of my favorite quotes on this is for every public success, you see, there are a thousand failures behind the scenes that nobody ever does, and it depends. It depends on the number. It might be a hundred, it might be a thousand, it might be a million, who knows? I don't know what the exact ratio between failures to success is, but it's always a good lesson. It's always a good lesson and even some days we get off these mics and we say, ah, that was not that great, that episode was not that great. We still have those moments Speeches. We have those moments Group coaching. We have those moments where we get off and say, what do we think? Ah, seven out of 10. Here's what went well, here's what we need to improve. Very cool and that'll happen forever. Very rarely is there a 9, a 10 out of 10. We don't even, I don't even think we give 10s out of 10. 9s out of 10 happen, but it's not a 9, it was perfect, it's a 9, and here's what we could do to make it a 9.1. Forever and ever. Next Love Nation. Ever. Next Level Nation.

Speaker 1

Tomorrow, 6 pm, eastern Standard Time, we have our. What month is it 34. 34, month 34 of our Next Level Monthly Meetup. We're talking about how to level up your wealth. It is totally private. We don't record it, we don't put it anywhere. It is a Zoom meeting behind the scenes where we go deep on a topic with the ultimate goal of adding as much value as possible. Will we make mistakes? Absolutely, but you will be there to make those mistakes together with us. So we'll have the link in the show notes. That's tomorrow at 6 pm, eastern Standard Time. And if you're looking for a group of people who are like you, they're into growth, they're working on themselves, they're trying to figure out their ego, they're trying to be more confident. Whatever it is, set boundaries.

Speaker 2

I screwed up. What do you got? That was relationship talks.

Speaker 1

Oh my goodness 34.

Speaker 2

So this meetup will be number 29.

Speaker 1

29. 29. 29. Out here, Jeffen.

Speaker 2

I had to check because I knew something was off.

Speaker 1

You're good. You're good If you're free Facebook group where you can get to the next level in that way too. So we'll have that link in the show notes tomorrow for episode number 1,690. We're creeping up on 1,700. One relationship red flag to avoid. I'm going in on tomorrow's episode. I'm very, very excited to do that episode. As always yes, as always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU, we don't have fans.

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