#1762 - Detach From The Outcome???

Have you done your best with the resources you have? In this insightful episode, Kevin and Alan explore the concept of detaching from outcomes and how it impacts personal and professional growth. They share personal stories and practical advice on focusing on what you can control and staying grounded regardless of external results. You’ll learn about the importance of setting clear goals, managing your emotions, and maintaining consistent effort without getting overly attached to immediate outcomes. This episode is perfect for anyone looking to build resilience and stay inspired on their journey to success.

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Show notes:
(1:56) Detached from outcome
(3:22) The GPS analogy for goals
(5:16) Managing emotions in business
(9:16) Personal stories of success and failure
(15:16) Consistency and persistence
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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:00

Next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. Today, for episode number 1,762, we're going to pose a question to you and the question is detached from the outcome, and I got to do the high pitch towards the end there, so you know it's a question and I got to do the high pitch towards the end there, so you know it's a question. But Alan and I were having a conversation and I said, yeah, there's been a lot of momentum and I've been having a lot of conversations with podcasters and there's a lot of opportunity out there. And Alan said, well, have you done all you can with all you have? And I said, yeah, I feel really good about it.

Speaker 1 0:45

And Alan said, well, then that, done all you can with all you have. And I said, yeah, I feel I feel really good about it. And Alan said, well, then, that's really all you can control. Have you done all you can with all you have? And can you say that? Can you say you've done all you can with all you have? And I said, yeah, I feel like I really have. And he said, cool, that's it. We were having a conversation last last week or two weeks before and you said I really feel like I'm starting to understand what detached from outcome means to you. I won't say that it's what everybody else means it to mean, but I thought it would be unique to do an episode on that, because anytime we are again going through something, growing through something, learning through something, it's always valuable to have a dialogue about it. So that's my thought for this episode learning through something, it's always valuable to have a dialogue about it.

Detached from outcome

The GPS analogy for goals

Speaker 2 1:26

So that's my thought for this episode. The way that I used to view detached from outcome was that is not good advice, because you cannot reverse engineer a finish line that you do not have Right. If you don't know what result you're shooting for, what goal you're shooting for, what mountain you're climbing, you cannot reverse engineer a path to get there. A GPS needs three things. It needs number one an accurate current location. Number two it needs an accurate destination location, destination address. Number three it needs accurate data of the roads and the lakes and the mountains and the stuff. Otherwise it'll drive you off a cliff, essentially Right, right, right. So you can't detach from outcome as a starting point. As a starting point, you have to say here's where I am, here's where I want to go, starting point. As a starting point, you have to say here's where I am, here's where I want to go and I'm going to chart a path, reverse engineer the path toward that outcome. But once you chart that path, then things are going to happen like detours that you didn't expect, and then you're going to have to take roads that you didn't expect. Things are going to come up, there's going to be storms, whatever metaphor and that's when you have to not beat yourself up unnecessarily If you're doing all you can with all you have. Now, here's the thing rather than some fortune cookie, do all you can with all you have, quote. What it needs to be is what does that actually mean? What is all you have? And I told this to kev earlier because he we have a potentially awesome new client coming that's gonna be really good and potentially business and life-changing and that's great several and kev's like. And I said well, dude, have you done all you can with all you have? And he said yes. I said have you done the best you could with the time, effort and money that we have? And you said yes. I said okay, well then, we're good, move on. There's no point in getting overly excited or overly down if they at this point, if they don't come, there's nothing else in your control that we can do about. That is. Is that correct? He said yes. I said okay, well then, we're good, just move on, move on, move on.

Speaker 2 3:48

What most people do is they get super pumped about a new potential client that they start celebrating in advance yeah, and then when they lose a client, they get really, really down, and all of us are guilty of this to some extent, myself included to some extent. What I've tried really hard to get really good at over the last nine years since my car accident is I try not to allow temporary emotions to affect long-term decision making. And so, for example, let's say there's two versions of Kev. One of them is the old Kev and he's like dude. Oh my God, we've got two potential new clients that are awesome. I'm so excited. This is going to be life changing. And he calls me up and he interrupts me this is not what you did. Okay, this is hypothetical, but you get pumped. You're like hell, yeah, what a great day. And then you go off and you celebrate right now and you step off the gas and we don't end up doing these episodes, we have to do them tomorrow. You end up celebrating and spending money we don't have yet All this different stuff. That's what a newbie entrepreneur does. And what Kevin this Kevin does is much more stoic, and not stoic in the sense of never let them see you sweat, never be vulnerable, never cry.

Managing emotions in business

Speaker 2 5:03

That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is dude. They may or may not actually follow through. No money has been exchanged yet. They haven't fully signed up or onboarded yet, so don't get too excited. But that doesn't mean don't get too excited as in crush your hopes and dreams, they probably will sign up. It's not. It's not like a because I know a lot of people here don't get too excited and that's like dream killer type stuff when you're a kid and people say don't get your hopes up. It's like well, I want to be a firefighter and I want to be a singer and I, well, don't get your hopes up.

Speaker 2 5:35

One of my clients earlier I he has five things that he's super passionate about and I said which one's the one that you'd go all in on if it was just about fulfillment and not about money or family, like taking care of your family? He said musician and I said oh, interesting. He said yeah, but my dad told me early on he's probably listening right now, by the way what's up man? My dad told me early on, mathematically that that's dangerous, go for an education. And mathematically that's smart and I think there's some practicality in that. I'm not making that wrong. But what I will say is who knows what might have happened if he had gone all in on musician right.

Speaker 2 6:11

My point of this is that as you get older and wiser, I think that you stop allowing the waves of the storm to take you off course as much. That's really it. That's a good analogy, I think, is if it's a storm or it's a bright, sunny day, we still stay the course. And so the new kevin, instead of going and celebrating too early and then getting devastated when the client doesn't come, the new kevin is like okay, what's the next most important use of my time? And then you keep, and then the person who's like that ends up with way more results. That's the, that's the mature thing that I think we're trying to kind of grow into.

Speaker 1 6:55

I think of it as throwing a ball and then understanding that the ball has now left your hands and there's nothing you can do. If, if you have been practicing throwing the ball and you know how to throw the ball and you know what the wind is and you know how far you're throwing the ball, and you really look at it and say, okay, yeah, all right, I'm ready, I feel like I've studied enough, let me throw the ball. After you throw the ball, there's nothing you can do. What you can do is let that ball fly through the air and then pick up another ball and do the same thing, and if you do that, you're probably going to hit what? If you're throwing it at something, or you're throwing in a bucket or whatever, you're probably going to get more balls in if you do it that way. I'm very guilty of the first one, for sure can we?

Speaker 1 7:37

talk about that.

Speaker 2 7:38

Can you articulate what it used to be like? I remember the story about you being in the elevator calling taryn saying we made it yeah, yeah, can we?

Speaker 1 7:46

tell that that's yeah, we awesome. Before there was any level of business success at all, I had a. I was getting a massage one day, don't know why I had no money. I have no idea. My body was probably beaten up, you were manifesting and I was manifesting.

Speaker 1 8:03

I walked out of the, the massage place, and I had a text message from a previous mentor and he said hey, one of my buddies wants to start a podcast. You should talk to him. And I remember saying what do you mean? What are you talking about? He's like well, he wants help with production. I know you guys know how to do that, so you should. This could be a potential opportunity. I was like all right, whatever, I'll see what I can do. So I called this guy and put on my best business voice and business face and said what, hey, that's a pleasure to meet you. So-and-so told me to reach out. I'd love to know what you're looking for. What are you, what are you interested in, kind of. And he said well, I want to start a podcast and this is the space and this is my experience. And I was told that you can help. And I was like, yeah, of course, definitely.

Speaker 2 8:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can help you.

Speaker 1 8:53

For sure, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 8:54

What do you need? I'll figure that out as we go.

Speaker 1 9:04

Third team all state I'll was the CEO of a financial institution. Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah, mass Mutual.

Personal stories of success and failure

Speaker 1 9:12

Yeah, mass Mutual, I don't remember what it was, yeah, but he was the CEO. So I go to this really nice office building and this gentleman, a very awesome, awesome human being, comes down from his office in his suit and we have a conversation. He's like what do you guys do? How much is it? What can I expect?

Speaker 2 9:33

what do we have a conversation? This is fun for me. What were you dressed like? Oh, khakis, and a button-up.

Speaker 1 9:37

Nice, yeah, khakis and a button-up, that's it. That's what I had. I still don't have very nice clothes. I'm wearing a hurley t-shirt. If I get sponsored by by Hurley, that would be my. That's my second life's mission. So we shake and he's.

Speaker 1 9:50

All right, let me think about it and I'll I'll kind of text you Shit. I missed, I missed. I thought this was going to be the thing. See, I was already excited. I was already excited because I, in my mind, this was going to happen.

Speaker 1 10:06

This, when I tell you this was life changing money, the, the package that this client wanted was fifteen hundred dollars a month. That was life. I mean, think about right now whether you're watching or listening. Fifteen hundred dollars extra a month for you is probably really good. I probably most likely, with 99 accuracy, had less money than you have right now. I had zero money and I was thirty thousand dollars in debt. So it was bad. It was really bad. So I kind of tuck my tail and I leave and it's like shit. All right, I thought that was going to go different.

Speaker 1 10:41

Drive home and I lived with matt at the time and we were talking about it. I was like I don't know, man, I don't. I feel like it went well. He just didn't he, he didn't want to do it call or text from him a couple days later or a week later. He's like all right, come back and let's discuss it more. I have some questions. It's like I don't know why we couldn't just talk over the phone at this point. It's like why am I driving out to this place so often? But again, again, I'm zero entitlement. Let me know what I can do to make this work. So I drive out. Another conversation Seems really good.

Speaker 1 11:10

You know how was your Halloween? You enjoy Halloween. Oh yeah, the kids love this. Nice, nice. Nothing happened. I had a notebook. This time too, I brought a freaking notebook. I still couldn't close the deal, so nothing happened. Same thing, very sad of. I thought this was the one. I thought this was the time Go home, debrief with Matt, probably debrief with you. And then somehow it came up again, probably just Matt, because you're ashamed to tell me, probably.

Speaker 2 11:35

Yeah, probably so.

Speaker 1 11:37

I go back out one last time. I go back out one last time and this time I get invited up to his office. So I go in, I park in the parking garage, go into this nice building, get in the elevator, go up to the third or fourth floor and I go into his office. And this time I was like all right, this might be something, this has got to be something. I'm behind enemy lines here. This has got to be something. And I think it was. Just he asked like one more time. He's like how much does it cost? And I said it's $1,500 to launch and our prices are much cheaper now because we realize this isn't super sustainable. It's $1,500 to launch the podcast and it's $1,500 a month. And we've gotten way better at doing it.

Speaker 2 12:20

Yeah, we've gotten way better at doing it.

Speaker 1 12:21

This is the process, this is figuring it out in real time, yeah. And so I was like it's $3,000 to start. And he's like cash check, venmo, what do you take? And I was like, dude, whatever man, I'll take a freaking IOU. If you want to put it on or not, I'll take anything. And he's like, all right. I started crying, I started tearing up and I texted Taryn. I texted Taryn and I said, baby, we did it. We did it Because for me it was like dude, nobody's ever going to pay me to produce their podcast.

Speaker 1 12:52

Are you kidding me? Nobody's going to pay me to do that. No way, especially life-changing money. $3,000. That was like everything to me at the time.

Speaker 1 13:03

So, but the whole process of that was here's the thing it's really hard to detach from the outcome when you're scarce. I'm very abundant right now. I got a lot. There's it's mayhem right now. There's so much positive stuff going on. It's easy to say, yep, proposal sent. I do the best I can with what I have. I put everything I had into it. I added a ton of value. If they say yes, awesome. If they say no, that's okay. I'm still going to wish them nothing but love and anything I can do to add value. I'll be a message away, but it's really easy to be that when you have opportunity, when you're scarce, that's where it's really important to practice this. When you're scarce because you're just going to ruminate over stuff that you can't control, you just can't control it.

Speaker 1 13:52

I had a conversation with someone today it was a podcast breakthrough session and he said Kev, be real with me, what are the chances I make it and really turn this into something? And I was like jeez. I said I know you can do it. I just don't know if it's going to be worth it to you, because you're looking at years, man. You're looking at years before you see anything years. He's not really at the stage where he can detach from the outcome. He's got to make stuff happen. You got to make stuff happen.

Consistency and persistence

Speaker 1 14:35

One of the reasons I was able to get as many clients as I was before is because I didn't detach from the outcome. I know I followed up and I added value and I followed up and I did unsustainable shit and I followed up and I added value. And eventually people are like, yeah, man, I want to work with you. So I think there's a time and a place. I do. I think there's a time and a place. Even in this episode it's's like I don't know if I'm fully bought in. It depends on where you are. But last thing, and then I'll kick it to you the detached from outcome thing is I need to be okay with it either way. I need to be okay with it if they say yes or if they say no.

Speaker 1 15:20

It can't break my spirit and it can't break my momentum and it can't get me to celebrate too early and lose my 100, 100 yeah, but if it breaks my spirit and it breaks my momentum, I'm gonna stop doing the thing that actually got me here in the first place detach from outcome, what the outcome that you never detached from was.

Speaker 2 15:39

What can I do to make this happen? That's an outcome macro and the macro outcome.

Speaker 1 15:47

I think you detach from micro outcomes. You stay connected to macro outcome. So macro outcome is you have the most positively impactful self-improvement podcast on the planet ever of all time.

Speaker 2 15:57

That can't ever forget that you can't ever detach from that outcome. Everything is in alignment with that. Yes, that's a really hard concept to explain, but even when everything else is, it's the day-to-day, it's the, the.

Speaker 1 16:15

the goal is the thing on the horizon and you can see it. It's miles and miles and infinite miles away, but you can see it. Today you might get 50 miles closer, tomorrow you might get one mile closer, but that one mile can't stop you from aiming for 50 the next day, and then the next day, and then the next day. That's how I think of it now is I'm going to do the best I can today and some results will happen. But if I allow the lack of some results today to stop some results tomorrow, I am really losing.

Speaker 2 16:49

And in the process you have to improve. It's like I'll use basketball as a metaphor when you're playing basketball, even if you're wide open, you might miss it.

Speaker 1 17:05

That's fair, yeah.

Speaker 2 17:07

The more shots you take, the more you'll get in, the more points you'll score, the more games you'll win. But you still have to improve your shot percentage. That's really what it comes down to, ultimately. Your shot percentage has gotten so much. It comes down to, ultimately it's your shot percentage has gotten so much better. Yeah, yeah, it's beef balance. Elbow eyes follow through. So you have to.

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Speaker 2 17:29

But the point that I'm trying to make here is kev, you, you never detached from. What can I do to get the client? Even with this client the three thousand, that one you never detached from all that you could do. That's kind of my point. That's why detached from outcome was so negative in our minds back then, because it was like good, what do you mean? I can't, I need to get this done and I need to tie. And I'll go down this rabbit hole very briefly.

Speaker 2 17:58

But people say, well, don't tie your self-worth to your home and don't tie your self-worth to your physique and don't tie your self-worth to your business or your income. I mean, don't tie your self-worth to what car you drive. Well, what do I tie it to? I think you tie your self-worth to intentions, effort and getting better effort and getting better and if you tie your self-worth to pure intentions, growing as much as you can, contributing as much as you can, doing all you can with all you have, with your time, effort and money, I think results will eventually come. If you continue to fail, learn, iterate, fail, learn, iterate, fail, learn, iterate. The reason why detached from outcome we're talking about it again, even though it's a concept that we struggled with early on is because I think socially, it's actually really valuable.

Speaker 2 18:50

When I did my 5k this past weekend, I didn't detach from outcome. I didn't go oh, whatever happens happens. No, I said I'm going to get the best time that I can. And I even had the moment of I really should have been upfront. We were like meeting some people and I should have started upfront because I had to pass a lot of people. There was a little kid in front of me. He was cute, he was really inspired by me and I eventually had to say little man, I got to go. It was actually really adorable, to be honest.

Speaker 2 19:16

But I didn't detach from the outcome to the point where it's like, ah, whatever, I guess I'll just walk up this hill. I had to stay attached to the outcome of you're not walking. Alan, no matter how bad this hurts, you do not walk. Because there was a few moments during that race that were uphill where I was like this is the worst thing ever. This is so bad. And I said whatever you do, do not walk. That's not who you are. This is identity level. Do do not walk. That's not who you are. This is identity level stuff. You do not walk. You've got this, you can do this. You do not walk.

Results will eventually come if...

Speaker 2 19:47

I didn't detach from outcome, so in self, you don't detach from outcome. In self. You don't detach from outcome in effort. You don't detach from outcome in things that move the needle. You know what you do detach from outcome on move the needle. You know what you do detach from outcome on.

Speaker 2 20:03

I don't really care if my mom likes what place I got. I don't really care if my ex-friends don't like my business. You know where else you detach from outcome. I'm going to bring up a challenging truth to a friend and if they want to leave me, abandon me, lash out at me, I'm going to detach from outcome. I have to say this anyway.

Speaker 2 20:29

I think that's why I think detached from outcome is powerful is because socially it's powerful, whereas if you're attached to a social outcome. You have to contort yourself and hide your true self in order to get an outcome outcome. You have to contort yourself and hide your true self in order to get an outcome. Yeah, and that's why sales and business are so challenging, because sales is relationships and business is competence and incompetence. I don't think anyone should detach from any outcomes. I think you should be as competent as humanly possible and do all you can with all you have, with the time, effort and money that you have. When it comes to social, you need to detach from outcome, otherwise people will control you and our clients will say, oh well, can you also do my mailing list and can you also, and can you also, and can you also, but also, I want it for this price point. See how you kind of, when you have goals that you're attached to, other people have leverage on you.

Speaker 1 21:19

This is why I like Go ahead. Let me ask you a question Do you believe the level that you detach from the outcome should be connected to the level of belief you have in your ability to control the outcome? And let me just preface. I saw a post recently of somebody who was so Alan and I are both former bodybuilders. Alan has done physique shows, I've done bodybuilding shows. I guess we're still bodybuilders, but not.

Speaker 2 21:48

Yeah, yeah, I identify as that for sure I don't compete.

Speaker 1 21:52

Yeah, my thought has always been it's been very inspiring to see someone who is on stage that you know is not on stage because they think they're going to win. They're on stage because they have gone on a massive journey to get to where they are. There was a post about that and somebody commented something negative about, like that this person's wasting somebody Somebody else could be on stage and this person's holding their spot for lack of a better phrasing and somebody big in the industry commented you should never have that attitude. That is a terrible attitude. To have this person grinded their face off to get there. And just because they're not necessarily in the hunt for the trophy does not mean they didn't accomplish something amazing to get to where they are. Agreed. I think it's positive for them to detach from the outcome of winning the show. Agreed. I think it's positive for them to detach from the outcome of winning the show Agreed.

Speaker 2 22:41

I think detach from the wrong outcome that's what this is, that's what this whole conversation has been is detach from the wrong outcomes. You don't want to know what the wrong outcome is. Here's a wrong outcome to be attached to, and this is my past, so I'll speak from experience. I'm going to say only the amount of truth that this other person can handle without them leaving me. I don't want to tell them how I really feel because I'm scared that they will leave me.

Speaker 2 23:13

So I had one past partner who I thought was very arrogant in the fitness arena and she was trying to coach me on certain things that I very clearly knew way better than her. It was very inappropriate in hindsight and I wish I had the courage. I just didn't. I should have said the truth, which is, with all due respect, I'm, you're like not in shape, and I'm not trying to be unkind. I just why are you coaching me right now? I what this is like. All I do, this is my whole life Fitness coaching, fitness competitions, fitness modeling and what are we doing here? I don't understand.

Speaker 2 23:50

Now in hindsight, I just was afraid to be left and I knew she'd leave if I told her the truth. I mean she, she avoids all truth. That's the truth and she did right and we ended up working it out and then I decided to end up. You know, we ended up going our separate ways, but the point and I'm grateful for that but the point is is when you're attached to outcomes socially, it's very dangerous because you'll chameleon your way to get the outcome, like, if I need these people to like me, you'll contort yourself.

Speaker 1 24:20

I think that's all this comes down to and if you don't, you'll be super sad. If you don't get their approval, you'll be super sad If that's the outcome that you are attached to.

Speaker 2 24:28

Yes, it's fear based. Yeah, I think attached to the outcome. That makes the most sense. Here's the problem, kev, that's a whole episode in and of itself, more than an episode. I could probably do a freaking three hour long training on how to attach to the right outcome. I had a coaching call earlier with my a new client and I I told him I love this dream statement but, brother, it's the wrong target. It's awesome, but this is all experiences. You need to aim at a target that that the byproduct of the target is those things Like to live, love and laugh. Often Stuff like that. That's a byproduct. You and Taryn are having a magnificent relationship and you guys are laughing and you said that it's really fulfilling. That's a byproduct of something way bigger.

Speaker 1 25:14

Or both growing.

Speaker 2 25:15

That's why, because of X, y, z, you know all of it's a byproduct of build a most positively impactful self-improvement company in history. I mean that's even this episode in this moment is a byproduct of that thing. No one else can see. That's gotta be the most detrimental.

Speaker 1 25:33

It's so hard to explain yeah.

Speaker 2 25:34

Because, that's.

Speaker 1 25:35

The thing is like I've detached from the outcome of this episode. I'm not obsessing over. Somebody asked me that. They sent me a message.

Speaker 1 25:43

Shout out to Carl podcaster, men's group facilitator. Good human, he's like hey, I noticed you guys have been doing like 20 to 30 minute episodes and like 45 is what a lot of people suggest. Why are you not doing that amount? And I said, honestly, man, I'm just doing what we're enjoying. I'm just kind of jumping on and having a cool conversation. I said I'm not suggesting you do that necessarily. Yeah, but I don't. I. What are you gonna tell me it has to be 45 minutes? No, I want to do what I enjoy. I do this. So often alan and I have had boats where it's like I don't know man, I don't know if I'm super fulfilled doing this right now, the way we're doing it, and then we pivot, and then we pivot, and then we pivot. But I've had to detach from the outcome of how each episode goes Same. But it doesn't mean I want to do any less quality. That's why it's so hard. Yep, and then where do?

Speaker 2 26:38

standards fall into all this. I know we got to jump soon but, dude, I do another podcast, conscious couples podcast. I can't detach from outcome in the moment. As well as I can here, you and I have more reps.

Speaker 1 26:50

Welcome to all the times I used to tell you, brother, I can't get into flow because if we do I'm gonna go over time. And you used to say no man, you gotta trust. No man, trust, no man, trust me. I know you are lost in time. You have no idea how long it's been. Somebody has to stay focused on that. That was me.

Speaker 2 27:07

Well, I have the timer right now. We're at 2757, son.

Speaker 1 27:11

No, it's true, yeah, but you'd run right by it.

Speaker 2 27:13

You'd run right. I know that is now I'm you.

An equation to figure it out

Speaker 1 27:19

I know Well hey, welcome, yeah, welcome to that. So I never really attached, I never detached from outcome. I never, really ever detached from outcome.

Speaker 2 27:27

in certain situations it's almost like you, at each stage of the journey, you have to be attached to the right outcome, based on what stage of the journey you're at, based on your unique goals, your unique core values and your unique competence level, and it changes over time. Dude, yeah, dude, that's dude. That's why it's so funny. My coaching it's this is as simple as it gets. This is the most simple I can make it. People say what do you do in coaching it's? I get you to track the right things so that you focus on the right things. And when you focus on the right things, you invest your time, effort and money into the proper person's places, things and ideas, and the byproduct of that is the results you want. And no one knows what the hell I'm talking about. And the truth is dude, it's impossible to explain, because it's that's the simplest way I can explain it, but it's it's unique to each individual. Dude, I did that earlier.

Speaker 1 28:35

Dude, I don't know what I'm saying why are you calling me dude so much? I don't know. Man brother, one out.

Speaker 2 28:38

Yeah, a little bit I was on a call earlier and I've gotten a lot of new clients lately. I'm so grateful, but new clients are the hardest because they don't know my. We haven't designed their true north yet. And designing a new true north where all of what I just said is in alignment with what they tell me they want. Half of the first call is just what exactly do you care about? What do you even value? And then I have to go into my brain and he's like I've never heard it said like that before and he's listening.

Speaker 2 29:15

Right now it makes perfect sense to do this, this and this for the rest of your life and redesign your entire life and reorient your entire existence around this and you'll be super fulfilled and successful. He's like oh yeah, but I've been doing this for seven years trying to figure it out and, honestly, my entire life I've been trying to figure that out. So it's, it really is an equation. I mean you're very fulfilled and successful, kev, but that's an equation that been trying to figure that out. So it really is an equation. I mean you're very fulfilled and successful, kev, but that's an equation that we had to figure out for you specifically.

Speaker 1 29:45

Well, even I told you the other day I was like dude, I got to start rapping again. Man, I miss it. I'm fulfilled Right now. I'm probably the most fulfilled I've ever been, but I know there's something missing. I can tell Like I feel great in the gym. I'm a bodybuilder again, Tracking macros Awesome, feel great. Business is great, everything's great, relationship's great, awesome. But I just feel like that's missing, like there's a creative piece of me that's not being fed, that I miss. Spit one, son, I'll spit one, not now. I don't have any stuff off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 30:20

You want me to beatbox.

Speaker 1 30:22

No, it doesn't matter, I can't anyway. I'm kidding. Matt was a really good beatboxer. I don't doubt that. Yeah, he was a really good beatboxer.

Speaker 2 30:39

Would it be a valuable episode to do one on mission statement, or is?

Speaker 1 30:43

it too specific. If you feel called, think we should do it, I'm down to do it, I again. This is gonna be one of those times where kevin probably sits quietly with his thumb in his mouth I don't know what. I'll add something like you know how you suck your thumb when you're a baby?

Speaker 2 30:52

no I know, dude.

Speaker 1 30:55

Well, yeah, you want to do it. We'll do that. We'll do that for a future episode, aka the next episode that you hear will be that one, because we just decided live, let's do it. If you are focused on getting to the next level every single day, even a little bit again, you're not going to change everything overnight. Make sure you are subscribed on your platform of choice, whether you're listening to us I can't speak to save my life to us, I can't speak to save my life or watching us on YouTube. Yeah, make sure you're subscribed. I am of the mind that some days I don't want to get better. I'll be very honest I don't really feel like listening to this audio book. I don't really feel like doing this, but you get a little ping that NLU just dropped their latest episode. Maybe that'll be the gentle kick in the butt for you to listen to the episode and get a little bit better. So please subscribe if you have not yet.

Speaker 2 31:37

Nice Accountability, a little gentle kick in the butt A gentle.

Speaker 1 31:42

Kick in the butt is. I think that's heart-driven. But no BS, that's what we are, yeah.

Speaker 2 31:46

We all need more accountability. For sure, Kevin and I are coming up on the tail end the last 30 days of the 10 pound and 10 week challenge, and we are in some trouble. I am going to be hungry here in the next few weeks, I have four and a half pounds to lose. I think you have somehow.

Speaker 1 32:01

I don't think I'm actually at 177. My lowest weigh-in so far has been 176, so I think I'm probably around 175 like real weight.

Speaker 2 32:12

But it's been humbling, to say the least if anyone out there wants help tracking the right metrics, dialing in the correct habits and, most importantly, staying accountable. I told my new client today. I said I don't care if it's 30% total productive output, meaning you only hit 30% of your habits. I care that you track. I said I'm not coaching you if you're not committed and if you're not committed you're not going to track. So you need to track. All I'm asking is when I you're not committed and if you're not committed you're not going to track. So you need to track. All I'm asking is when I talk to you in two weeks, this will be filled out.

Speaker 2 32:46

It doesn't have to be perfect. I could care less, you could put all goose eggs, but you're going to track habits if you're in my coaching, because I'm telling you that is what will change your life. So if you want help on that front, you want more accountability, you want to track your habits, you want to get your metrics dialed in and make sure you're making meaningful progress toward meaningful goals for a meaningful purpose. My coaching is the way. I really, really, really look forward to meeting you. I just had someone book on my calendar today. It's awesome. Shout out to Liz and I hope you book. The link will be in the show notes.

Speaker 1 33:18

How was the first client you ever had? I hope you book the link will be in the show notes how was the first client you ever had? I feel like I don't get any freaking credit for the success you've created. First client. I think so.

Speaker 2 33:27

Yeah, maybe Unofficially Doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 33:32

It's official now, mother Goose.

Speaker 2 33:36

As always.

Speaker 1 33:36

We love you, we appreciate you. We're so grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU we don't have fans, we have family.

Speaker 2 33:44

We will talk to you all tomorrow. Stay focused on the outcomes. You can control Next level nation.