#1774 - How Much Of Your Success Comes From Your Low Self-Worth

Have you ever wondered if deeper insecurities fuel your drive for success? In today’s insightful episode, Kevin and Alan explore the deep connections between low self-worth and high achievement. They share personal stories and experiences, diving into how challenges and self-perception shape our paths. Together, they discuss the importance of fitness, therapy fears, and the drive to prove oneself, providing a relatable and motivating conversation. Perfect for anyone striving to understand themselves better and aiming to turn their struggles into strengths.

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Show notes:
(2:02) Under yet over
(6:42) Achievements from low self-worth
(8:49) Reservations about therapy
(12:10) Amplifier and suffering
(18:38) Next Level Dreamliner: the planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy: https://a.co/d/f1FWAQA
(19:34) Kevin’s life movie
(22:47) Self-improvement for personal fulfillment
(27:14) Become your own hero
(32:58) Outro

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Speaker 1 0:00

Next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. Today, for episode number 1,774, how much of your success comes from your low self-worth. We've been seemingly negative with a lot of our episodes lately. I promise this is not a negative episode and none of these have been negative. I think we're just in this. I think we're in a very internal phase right now, personally, which means we talk about a lot of internal stuff.

Speaker 1 0:32

I was talking to someone the other day and we were talking about how, how and why fitness is so important to me, and they challenged me in a good way, not a bad way. They challenged me and said well, what does it mean about you if you don't go to the gym? Why is it so important that you do go to the gym? What feelings do you get when you don't go? And it was just a lot of these questions and I said it was kind of in my mind. I know what you're trying to get at, I understand, I know where we're trying to go. It's always my favorite.

Speaker 2 1:01

I just want to jump in here and share a quick story please we went to a mastermind one time.

Under yet over

Speaker 2 1:08

This is a year and a half ago and I'll I'm not going to share who or where or any of that, but it's always been my favorite to walk into a room with kev where he knows he's gonna get coached by someone who isn't gonna get it. It's fair and it's my favorite thing ever for to watch someone try to coach kev, who they think they're way ahead of you in everything. By the way, this is like really fun for me. Yeah, kev walks in very unintimidating, you know, doing his thing. The ultimate cat dad, ready to learn, student mindset, all good. What's happening? My name's kev and they think they are just awesome. And I get it right, it's a mastermind. It's hard to know who's who and they don't know that. You've put in tons of work. They. You don't exactly look like someone who is super, super professional and all that kind of stuff. You come in cash. You come in cash.

Speaker 1 2:10

It's okay, no, I appreciate it. You come in cash.

Speaker 2 2:12

That's my thing, nothing's wrong with it, I'm not making anything but people don't see you at your true intelligence level at this stage and how much work you've done in or out, or 1700 episodes and seven. All that, all that we've learned through these deep conversations and it's my favorite thing in the world to watch you try to explain to them that that's not why you're here.

Speaker 2 2:35

Like no I I get it and I understand yeah, no, that you're right with the dad and the like. I'm with it, it's so fun for me and they're like well, have you ever considered it's a challenge that maybe that's actually because you didn't have a father if I hit a nickel for every time? Someone said something like that to kev, where he's not only met his dad but talked about it a thousand times and like publicly, it's just so fun for me for that. Well, do you think that that has to do with the fact that you grew up without a dad and you can just tell this person has no clue that you've basically done this work a thousand times.

Speaker 1 3:12

I always try to be respectful and I say that is definitely something I could probably. Yes, I definitely have looked in that mirror, but that's probably a mirror that I could look even deeper in.

Speaker 2 3:21

That's probably how I would answer that.

Speaker 1 3:23

And then what do they say Then? It's usually like, oh, I could help you, we could definitely help you, do that.

Speaker 2 3:27

It's like, well, no we've crossed the line here.

Speaker 1 3:30

I appreciate it, I appreciate the thought, but my goal in life is to be the most self-aware version of myself. So there's a lot of things. Just because I'm not doing, it doesn't necessarily mean I don't know that I should be. Have you heard about our? Boys without dads program right that you could use. Yeah, it's like no, no, I'm gonna be fine. Thank you, I do appreciate it.

Speaker 2 3:50

I remember one time kev's like listen we're here to speak.

Speaker 1 3:53

It was funny. I don't remember that. I don't remember what that was, but we're here to.

Speaker 1 3:57

We're here to interview I wonder, I wonder if one of the reasons I do that is based on what we're talking about today, where if I come in under and you have very low expectations of me, I can over, I can overperform every time. That's probably a piece of it, just a just a thought, maybe a jumping off point after. So this person was asking me these questions, like Alan kind of just said they they were trying to get to a route that I've I've gotten to a long time ago, but that's okay, they don't know that, they don't know that, understandable. And they were trying to get me to admit that the reason I'm so into fitness is because I had low self-worth and low self-belief and what I could not make up for in terms of my height, I can make up for in terms of the way my body looks. And, honestly, alan, one of the reasons I said this on a podcast the other day, oh, my nose hurts so bad, my nose is so dry. I said this on a podcast the other day One of the reasons I'm afraid to get a therapist is because I'm afraid they're going to tell me to do less and they're going to say well, your work ethic comes from your trauma.

Speaker 1 4:59

I know that I know no-transcript me, so I wanted to do an episode on it because I think there's a lot of people out there that have achieved a lot of amazing things, and the reason they have achieved the amazing things is because they have low self-worth and they're trying to prove themselves right or they're trying to prove other people wrong, and it's if you can find a way to put a positive spin on it. Now I don't like not going to the gym, because I am the type of person that goes to the gym. It's not so I can prove stuff to other people. If I, if it was about proving stuff to other people, I never would have got out of shape after covid. If anything, I would have been working out during covid. I wasn't. It's not about other people, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 6:06

It's about when your self-worth came up. Your fitness went down, yeah right same, but that's.

Achievements from low self-worth

Speaker 1 6:12

But that's kind of the the process is. Sometimes you need somebody to call it out and say, hey, I noticed you're always on time and you're never late, or I've noticed that you always are the first person here and the last person to leave, or I notice you always are there for other people when you should be there for yourself. And those are all amazing, commendable things. But, based on what I heard about your childhood, do you think any of that is just kind of leftover, remnants of the way you were raised and the fact that you don't feel good enough that right, there could be a potentially life-changing awareness? So that's kind of my thought for today's episode.

Speaker 2 6:54

So when I was first considering doing therapy at Emilia's suggestion and she said this doesn't mean anything about you is broken, I think you're the most amazing person I've ever met. I've been doing therapy since I was 12, and you're just leaving a lot on the table, and that was the best way she described it. She said if you knew what you were leaving on the table, trust me you'd do it. And you can't know what you don't know. No one can. So and I was like, okay, here we go. My reservation was the same as yours.

Speaker 2 7:33

I was so fearful that I would lose my drive. I genuinely thought that if I healed a lot of the stuff that made me me because there's something called an ACE score, adverse childhood experiences and if you have a high ACE score, a lot of times not always, but a lot of times there's a ton of grit that can come with that. And I was so afraid to lose my drive and my grit because those were my superpowers, those are what I have. Like that, diamonds are created by pressure and I grew up in an environment that made me love those parts of me. And if you feel gritty and you feel like you've got drive and you feel like you can run through an effing wall. You know what I'm talking about, because you love those parts of you. You love that part of you and the parts that I love most about myself are not necessarily parts that other people like about me, and I was so afraid to lose those.

Reservations about therapy

Speaker 2 8:39

I was talking to Emilia on the way home from the gym or to the gym, I forget when. It's only a two minute drive, but we always talk to and from and I said something along the lines of I was so scared to heal some of that. I and I thought, when I did that, I would lose my aspiration, I would lose my big goals, I would lose my drive, I would lose my, my ambition, I would lose my desire to, to be the best possible version of alan. And I told her. I said that was not the case. I said, sweetheart, if anything, as I've done this work, it's amplified to an extent that's overwhelming me. Dude, I'm not kidding. I thought I'd end up and I know this is going to come off wrong, whatever I thought I'd end up lazy and I thought I'd end up losing the chip on my shoulder. I thought I'd end up losing the underdog mentality. I thought I'd lose my hunger and my standards. I thought I'd lose all that Kev dude. I mean, you tell me, brother, have I dialed that down?

Speaker 1 9:53

at all. No, no, no, definitely not.

Speaker 2 9:55

If anything I said the pie got bigger for lack of better phrasing. My true self is more aspirational actually and, trust me, I can't even begin to explain how that works because from my perspective, I talked about this literally last night with Amelia. I said my brain thinks in equations. So if bad childhood and trauma response was, aim higher, work, amelia, I said my brain thinks in equations. So if bad childhood and trauma response was, aim higher, work harder, get smarter then. If heal bad childhood, then no more, aim higher, work harder, get smarter, like that.

Speaker 2 10:25

Thank you, that makes logical sense. She said nope, you're missing that. You can transform all of that into who you really are and who you really want to be, and that's really what we're trying to talk about on this episode is, yeah, maybe a lot of what you've achieved in life has been a byproduct of running in the opposite direction of some of your trauma. But just because you heal that trauma doesn't mean you have to change direction. I mean you might just amplify everything great about you and actually mitigate some of the weaknesses that are holding you back. And that's been my genuine experience and I could not have shared that before this because that's been something I've been going through and growing through over the last couple months.

Speaker 1 11:05

I appreciate you sharing it. I told you that was a fear of mine too. I said this on a podcast today we were talking about. Somebody asked me last night. They said how is the podcast and everything for you, like, how is it for you? And I said, honestly, if I'm being honest, it's not. Really. It's not.

Speaker 1 11:26

I don't know if this is good for me. The overwhelm, the stress, I don't know if it's healthy for me. At times I just don't care Whatever. I don't know if it's healthy for me. At times I just don't care. Whatever, I don't care. I don't really care that much if it's not healthy for me. I think I'm probably the healthiest I've ever been in terms of, for sure, getting eight hours of sleep every single night, eating nutritious foods. I'm always hydrated. You'll never see me without my water bottles empty right now but I think that is like I'm the healthiest there. But when it comes to the amount of suffering that this journey has created, I don't think it's that good for me. But I want to do it Because there's that piece of me that I remember when I used to diet.

Amplifier and suffering

Speaker 1 12:08

My grandmother would say it's not healthy what you're doing, and I would say one you're incorrect. You're false. You just don't understand. It's okay for me to be hungry. It's not a bad thing, it's not. I'm not going to wither away to nothing. It's okay. And it's okay for me not to eat all day. It's called fasting. I've been doing that for a decade. It's.

Speaker 2 12:30

I love when Kev gets coached.

Speaker 1 12:32

Mima, I don't know if you're listening, because we do a lot of episodes now. I know you were listening in the beginning the OG and I don't mean anything negative by it, but it was always that I don't really. I don't care if it's good for me, I want the result. I want the result and let me figure it out.

Speaker 2 12:58

When I get the result, I'll figure out whether or not it was worth it. Alan there's I. I sent, or I showed alan yesterday. I lifted up my shirt and I said the abs are coming back and alan was like yeah, you weren't wrong, the abs I. I expected worse than that, for sure. Strong work, it's done. In my mind you're ahead of me. I know that. I'll tell you what I've been telling you, that I know that. I know I didn't know I'm suffering of course I'm ahead of you.

Speaker 2 13:11

I am suffering more than you're suffering too, just not as much. I know, trust me, I know.

Speaker 1 13:16

But again, it's not.

Speaker 2 13:17

It's not about that, but when I, when I when my dessert is greek yogurt with two oreos in it. You know I'm suffering. Okay, that's all I have to say. That's fair, yeah, that's fair. I don't, I don't know how. I don't even have dessert every night anymore, unfortunately I thought you got the protein ice cream going on.

Speaker 1 13:32

Only when I have enough cows, man, not tonight. Tonight's going to be 10 ounces of ground turkey, one cup weed raw dry rice, and then I'll have a cup of probably two cups of veggies. That's it. I will eat that and then I'll have like 300 calories left. But I already had a protein shake, so that's 160. Yeah, so that's it. That's all I'll probably end up eating today. So I'm suffering pretty badly. But again, whatever, I number one.

Speaker 1 14:01

When I see myself in the gym, I am so inspired. I am so inspired. It's amazing. I love it. I'm back in shape. I love it when I take my shirt off to get in the shower and I have abs. I love it. Nobody some people will probably see it because as I get leaner, I'll start posting more content in the group and probably on online. But that's not why I'm doing it. I'm not doing it for other people. I have in the past. For sure, my bodybuilding journey was for other people more than it was for me. But you know what? I also wouldn't have done it just for me. I would have quit a long time before I did if it was just for me. I was doing it because other people. I didn't want to let them down Now. You can't go too far. Don't go too far on that, because you'll live your life in a way that's misaligned or inauthentic. But when I see myself in shape, it's hard to explain. I don't even know if I can explain it.

Speaker 2 14:55

Oh, it's the best feeling in the entire world.

Speaker 1 14:57

It's like I'm back. It's the best feeling in the entire world. I'm back, I'm back, I'm back. All of this work that has sucked has been very worth it, because I see meaningful progress, but a lot of it's coming from the not good enough the childhood trauma, the abandonment, is it still? Though it's always there when I'm. Yeah, there's times in the gym where I think about my dad, like when I'm going to a dark place.

Speaker 2 15:22

It's like fuck you dude, yeah, yeah, I've got you dude for sure.

Speaker 1 15:27

Yeah, but but it's not like three more reps yeah yeah, my shit out how dare, how dare you how dare you doubt?

Speaker 2 15:34

me, you doubted me.

Speaker 1 15:35

How dare you doubt me? I'm gonna be something. I am going to be something. How dare you doubt me, but not from a negative. Yeah, it's, it's always there, it's just it. I think now it's more of a tool that I can tap into versus the entire store. Is that now it's a tool? It's a song?

Speaker 2 15:52

I can find.

Speaker 1 15:53

It's not the entire store is that Now, it's a tool, it's a song I can find. It's not the entire soundtrack, that's not what's playing all day, it's. I need something painful. Like, let me find a painful song. Okay, dad, cool, or somebody's got Taron.

Speaker 1 16:07

You want to see me lift heavier weight? My goodness, I will do terrible things to myself for that. Like, take my leg, whatever, I don't care. If I can lift the weight, I'll find a way to lift it. But that's not the soundtrack. The soundtrack is not. Oh, my goodness, I'm so afraid my wife is going to leave me. Everything I do must come from this scarcity. That's not the soundtrack, it is a song, occasionally though. So that's kind of my visual representation of this is, if you've got to tap into a song every once in a while, I don't think it's a bad thing. I'm not a psychologist or a therapist, so maybe it is a bad thing, I don't know. I don't think it's a bad thing for me. I think it's constructive for me, alan. I think it's constructive for you for sure. Maybe there is value in that for you, whether you're watching or listening, especially if you want to be more gritty, more resilient, you want to build that external, real-world strength. I think that's one way to do it for sure.

Speaker 2 17:08

There's a lot of places we can go with this. Let me articulate high-level what I see in Kevin's journey.

Speaker 1 17:17

Oh boy.

Speaker 2 17:19

High level. High level. Movie of Kev. Movie day. Kev Born father leaves not feeling good enough on some level because of that and or circumstances.

Speaker 2 17:38

Okay, has been disrespected by people of higher status like doctors and lawyers and educated people. Tended to be blue collar. Thought that you'd only ever be blue collar. Tended to be blue collar. Thought that you'd only ever be blue collar. High level here. Chip on his shoulder out to prove that he is of value. Short, most girls want taller men. It is what it is, statistically speaking. Facts are facts. Another chip on his shoulder gonna prove that he's of value. Crushes it in sports, gets valued. Weight trains a lot gets valued.

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Kevin's life movie

Speaker 2 18:22

Goes the separate road to college, even though everyone in our era was told to go to college and then did very unique things Tattoos, bodybuilding, martial arts, potentially going to fight for a living, was reckless. To get significance at times wanted to make more money. Money equals success. Success equals significance, but also value and and was with a woman who realized that Kev had to work on himself. She leaves him because he was kind of unintentionally holding her back which he's admitted to, by the way and he's fearful. He's not confident. He's pretending to be more confident than he is as many young men do myself included, many young men do, myself included and he realizes he needs to change his life after suicidal ideation and creates a podcast called the Hyperconscious Podcast. Change the way you think, change the way you act, change the way you live. This is seven years ago. And then just self-awareness, self-awareness, self-awareness gets around someone who is very opposite to him but has similar core wounds and low self-worth, and we teach each other a lot through the different pendulums that we're on in every capacity and then we heal together. You meet your dad for the first time at 27 and you face a lot of your past in a new way and you add value to tons of other people and you learn through that. And you face a lot of your past in a new way and you add value to tons of other people and you learn through that and you learn through the podcast and listeners and coaching clients and all this stuff. You also get successful beyond what you ever thought was possible for you realize that wasn't the answer, even though it definitely was part of it. Get married, taryn, all of this and then your self-worth increases. You actually lose for a time genuinely some of your drive and some of your hunger and you start.

Speaker 2 20:20

You and I for lack of better phrasing started getting out of shape. As our self-worth increased and COVID happened, we both significantly stopped grinding in the in the fitness arena. So we're starting to win in business, but not in fitness. And now it sounds to me like you have higher self-worth. It's very clear you are more successful in many regards. You've achieved a lot of the dreams that you've set out to achieve not all of them by any means, but a lot of them. And now you're still wanting to be in shape, but what used to be in your old bodybuilding life for other people and significance is now actually more for you.

Speaker 2 21:01

And so that's what I think the journey of life is is you eventually achieve your way, realize you're not increasing self-worth. Then you increase self-worth, lose some of your drive for a short term and then it transforms into you know what? Honestly, I don't have to be in shape anymore, but I still fucking want to, and that's what it's been for me. I don't have to prove to my stepdad, I don't have to prove, but I still want to.

Speaker 2 21:30

I really the wanting to be more has not dwindled whatsoever. It's the needing to be more it's the needing to be seen as more it's the needing to prove it to other people. Those have gone very down, almost to a detriment. To be completely honest, what has gotten way bigger over time as I've matured, is the desire to maximize what I am and who I am, the desire to see what I'm capable of. That's really what it comes down to, and I think the same is probably true for you as well, and I think that therapy and healing some of that stuff would most likely just amplify all that. But again, who knows and I hold the humility to say I thought it was going to take away my drive and, if anything, it's gotten way more to the point where I am even less relatable, I think, than I ever was before.

Self-improvement for personal fulfillment

Speaker 1 22:27

Well, time will tell. We'll find out. We'll find out. You know that's I'm nervous about it. But there's also that piece of me that I'll just be very honest and say look, this is. I feel like I have a lot of self-awareness, I feel like I've worked very diligently on that and I think I have a pretty good idea of why I do most of the things that I do. Maybe I haven't uncovered the final couple blocks. I'm sure I haven't right Of some of them. Maybe some I have, I don't know. But yeah, I think that's a really good way to put it is I aspire you said this behind the scenes. I aspire to be the person now. I don't need to be, I don't need to be in shape. I mean, I do for my standard and that's my truth. It's not. I'm not okay with not being in shape, I'm just not. I'm not as fulfilled, I'm just not. I've seen it, I've experienced it. I want to be in shape.

Speaker 2 23:19

I think that's how you know that it's based on true self and not healing based on wounding or low self-worth. You took it past fulfillment last time In bodybuilding. You were unfulfilled and still doing it anyway. That is an indicator that it's the opposite of wounding or low self-worth or compensating or whatever. But the fact that you are unfulfilled when you're not in shape now means that you're back in alignment. That's my me.

Speaker 1 23:50

That's my truth there. No dad bod, I don't want to have a dad. But I don't have kids, but I don't want to have a dad bod. That's not okay me. I don't care if my wife wants it. I don't care if Alan wants it. I don't care. This is for me. I don't tell you how to live your life, the collective you. If I am more fulfilled and I'm not hurting anybody and I'm more productive and I'm healthier because I'm not taking this to an extreme I have plenty of weight to lose. If I could continue going, there's more weight to lose. I'm not at a sickly deathly weight. I'm good, I'm healthy, I'm in the healthy ranges, for sure. So it's not like I'm hurting myself. You know that's the challenge. So for the listeners, go ahead.

Speaker 2 24:43

No, no, go ahead. I don't know what the when we have to go.

Speaker 1 24:48

Yeah, we have 14 minutes between now and our next call, but we should probably, we should probably hop off. Oh, that's not terrible, we should probably hop off.

Speaker 2 24:53

Hop off here, I like it. I like it. If we have 14 minutes, we're good. I just don't want to miss my next coaching call. Yeah For the listeners analyze and assess. I mean, that was movie day, kev. But what's movie day listener, metaphorical listener, whoever you are and re-watch the movie of your life and say, okay, all right, yeah, so that makes sense.

Speaker 2 25:19

When my stepdad left and took a lot of the income, it made sense to try to achieve my way to wealth, because I thought wealth was going to make everything better, and it did. But it didn't make everything better. It made wealth better. It made wealth better, it made money better. But then you evolve and realize, okay, so that's awesome, okay, there's one-third of the equation, now it's time for health. And I did that and I lost the wealth. And then I had to do the health and the wealth. And now relationship. Now I'm in love. So health, wealth and love, and relationship. Now I'm in love. So you, health, wealth and love, and your own unique standards, your own unique what? Whatever you were running.

Speaker 2 26:06

I think a lot of us feel massive pain and then we tell ourselves a story about that pain and then we run in the opposite direction of whatever that pain was. So if you had parents who were workaholics, maybe you learned how to R&R, because you didn't want to end up like them versus some people who model them. So figure out. What direction did you slingshot, in the opposite direction of your deepest pain? And then how do you identify that and then decide what direction you want to go in from here? Because I feel the same way you do. I don't ever want to be out of shape.

Become your own hero

Speaker 2 26:45

I remember being skinny and lanky and weak and frail and overlooked. Emilia jokes with me all the time. She says you're so naive with women in the gym, she's bidding for your attention. I'm like what do you mean? And I said sweetheart, you were hot in high school. I was like I was completely just not sought after. So she thinks I'm an idiot. But when it comes to that, but I was never the guy, and so I want everyone to become their own hero. I think that's awesome, I think it's great. I think, if you're your own hero from an authentic, non-ego place, I think that's what, hopefully, nou helps everybody do.

Speaker 1 27:26

And that's the ultimate thought is it's a choice. If you have the choice, you get to do what you want. If you want to be smarter because you want to be smarter, be smarter. It doesn't have to be a negative thing. Maybe it's coming if it's running you and I must get smarter to prove that version of me wrong. Maybe that's not healthy, I don't know. Again, I have a weird relationship with beating myself up. When you have high standards, sometimes you have what might be considered not so positive self-talk. But I think if you can handle the self-talk, it's not that, it's not that negative, I don't know, it's a weird thing. So do what feels right for you, do what is best for you. Don't necessarily let me influence you in that way, but you have a choice and it's up to you to make the choice. And at least if you understand why you're making the choice, then you can decide whether or not to make the choice from that inspiration moving forward. All right, if you're struggling with this, if alright. If you're struggling with this, if you feel like your self worth is holding you back, if you feel like you don't really know why you're trying to achieve what you're trying to achieve and you think it might be something very, very deep.

Speaker 1 28:28

Alan is doing free calls with listeners. I'm happy to do it too. I just genuinely don't think I can add as much value on this stuff as Alan, so that's why I don't do it. But we'll have our emails kevin at nextleveluniversecom, alan at nextleveluniversecom, and if you want to hop on a call, it's totally free. We're not going to sell you on anything. This is literally what we did in the beginning. In the beginning, I would give out my phone number and I would hop on FaceTimes with the listeners, and it was the best thing in the world. It was awesome and I love doing calls like that. If you're looking for a coach, you should probably book the call with Alan. If you're looking just to chat, I'll put my, I'll put my email and you can shoot me an email and I'm happy to hop on a zoom and whatever. We can talk about unicorns and horses and whatever movies, whatever. Whatever will add value. So we'll have that in the show notes. Kevin and Alan at next level universecom is our emails respectively.

Speaker 2 29:20

Yeah, in hindsight, over the last seven years, meeting our listeners has been one of the most incredible things we've ever done. We really like if you're listening to this consistently and you're putting in the work and you're trying to get better every day. We would love to meet you. So email me, email Kev, and we will jump on a Zoom.

Speaker 1 29:38

Zoom machine.

Speaker 2 29:39

And if anyone's intimidated, we, we. Yeah, I don't want anyone to feel intimidated. I don't know what to say about it.

Speaker 1 29:47

People told me I'm intimidating. We're weirder behind the scenes. Yeah, we're weirder behind the scenes than we are here.

Speaker 2 29:53

Yeah.

Speaker 1 29:53

We're weird. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised if you are intimidated 100%.

Speaker 2 29:57

And again, I don't want to presuppose you are, because maybe I'm not intimidating, I don't know.

Speaker 1 30:00

No, I think you're not. Not to me at least Some people.

Speaker 2 30:07

No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 30:08

This is the other thing too. Most people aren't going to offer that. Most people are never going to do that because it's not. My time is more valuable than that my time. I don't give my time away for free. Why don't you get over yourself, you, son of a B? We do. We give our time away for free all the time. It's one of my favorite things in the world to do. I love it and that's how we built it. So we'll have our emails in the show notes Again. If you're feeling brave, if you're feeling courageous, or maybe you're feeling stuck and you just feel like you know what A conversation might help, maybe a new perspective we would love to chat with you. All right, as always. We love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Speaker 2 30:54

Please.