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• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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Do you sometimes feel like you’re not good enough to achieve your dreams? In this episode, Kevin and Alan discuss the power of self-belief and its impact on personal success. Kevin profoundly reflects on his journey from feeling insignificant to embracing his worth, touching on how low self-esteem held him back. They explore how self-perception, humility, and hard work are crucial in overcoming limiting beliefs and unlocking one’s potential. Listeners will find value in understanding the importance of accurate self-assessment and its effect on achieving success in all areas of life, not just in fitness.

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Show notes:
(2:35) Kevin reflects on his past feelings of insignificance
(4:11) The role of self-sabotage in limiting success
(6:05) Humility and its connection to self-belief and growth
(12:33) Kevin’s journey of fitness and how it shaped his self-worth
(15:17) Next Level Dreamliner: the planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy: https://a.co/d/9fPpxEt
(19:45) How people with high self-belief benchmark against their future potential
(26:51) The importance of accurate thinking
(27:47) Outro

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Speaker 1

Like Kevin's more than he thought he was . Does that mean he's going to stop trying to get better than he is ? But I'm very that's my honest take . I'm essentially better at everything other than fitness than I thought I'd be Pretty much .

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People with higher self-belief , subconsciously and unconsciously , the real self-belief . They are always benchmarking against a future potential . They're benchmarking against their own potential .

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I'm your co-host , alan Lazarus , at .

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Welcome to .

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Next Level University , next Level Nation . Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University , where we help you level up your life , your love , your health and your wealth . Today , for episode number 1,861 , one of my favorite quotes what you think you are is more important than what you really are . I had a night last week or the week before , where I don't know if it was a Friday night , where I don't know if it was a Friday night but Taryn was out . I had myself a little gummy edible and I just went down the rabbit hole of Kevin Palmieri's past .

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I was watching old YouTube videos . I was watching my old boxing videos , where I used to go to the gym and crunch in Worcester and box and record it . I was looking at old songs . I was looking at old Facebook posts . I went down the rabbit hole and I had this very , very humbling , surreal moment where I thought about how much of a loser I felt like for most of my life and how I assumed I was always going to be insignificant . I would never amount to anything , is going to be insignificant , I would never amount to anything , and all of the charity that I got from other people would just continue forever .

Kevin reflects on his past feelings of insignificance

Speaker 1

One of the interesting things about growing up in an unnormal family not having a dad , I guess , is the best way to put it for me specifically , obviously is a lot of my family , friends , or a lot of my friends' families , would try to bring me in and we they'd try to take me on vacation . I'd go over there for dinners , I'd sleep over their houses . It was like they . They wanted me to get a sense of normalcy and I'm grateful for that . But I always felt like the F up . I always felt like the kid who was never going to make it . I also felt like everybody else also thought that , and every time I did something relatively positive , it was like a pleasant surprise . I remember having conversations with my two best friends when I was like 15 . And we determined if any of us were going to end up in jail , it was going to be me and it . One of them actually did end up in jail , unfortunately , so it wasn't me . Looking back , okay , that makes sense .

Speaker 1

That was my identity for almost my entire life , until I got that job where I started making a lot of money . My identity was I am a loser . My identity was I am a loser , I am incapable of anything good and I am screwed and , unless something majorly lucky happens , I am going to be like this forever . And I believe what I had was I had a self-fulfilling prophecy of low self-belief . I just assumed I was a loser . I'd never get any opportunities Any opportunities I ever got . I self-sabotaged because I didn't think I was deserving of them or capable of cashing in on them

The role of self-sabotage in limiting success

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But it was just a weird moment , alan , where I was looking at the TV , thinking back and putting myself in that position , and I just used to feel like such a loser . I used to feel like such a loser . I used to feel like such a loser . I used to get drunk at the town park Remember the town park , mm-hmm , 16 years old . 17 years old , yeah , the puddle , and I would run away from my friends because I wanted somebody to chase me . That was it . I just wanted somebody to come after me . It's like , hey , man , don't run away . We love you , we care about you . That's all I wanted . I just wanted somebody to follow me . I wanted somebody to chase me and I just , yeah , I don't know . All the feels came up the other night when I was watching old content Because , again , it's very weird to be here .

Speaker 1

It's very strange for me to be here . I don't really understand what it all means . In the grand scheme of things , I'm in the groomsmen chat Matt's getting married next year and I'm so intrigued when we go to the bachelor party , what people are going to think when I say like , oh yeah , no , I'm a podcaster , what's going to happen ? I'm going to say , like , what do you mean ? I'm just . How did that happen ? Some of these people I knew from the past . I don't know , I'm in a weird space , but that's kind of the tone of today's episode is , if you're somebody who thinks you're not going to make it , you're probably not going to make it , and that where this trap of low self-belief and low self-worth gets people . If you don't believe you're capable of it , you're almost not . Unfortunately , even if you are , even if you're hyper-capable , there are people who have accomplished far more with far less than I have , and I think one of the reasons is they ultimately believe that they could . So that's today's episode in a nutshell . Reasons is they ultimately believe that

Humility and its connection to self-belief and growth

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they could .

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So that's today's episode in a nutshell . Earlier I was on an episode with , actually , one of Kevin's clients Podcaster , and she was interviewing me and she said how do you climb out of painful holes , dark holes ? And I said it comes down to . I would bet on this person , someone who has high self-belief , high humility and high work ethic . If you have those three things and I said and the problem is those first two are rare coming together it's rare to have high self-belief and high humility . I think I struggle with humility for sure , and now that I have it much more than I used to , I actually feel so much more capable . So it's actually building my self-belief in a weird way .

Speaker 1

What would you define humility for you as ? Because I think you're , I don't know . Yeah , what would you define humility as now and then ? How do you view it for you ? Weird question .

Speaker 2

An accurate understanding of one's own current and future capabilities . It's accurate thinking . I think about self . So humility is I know that I can do it and I know that I can't do it alone . It's I know it's possible and I know that I need a team . That's awesome and it's I know that I am capable of it and I know I can't miss a freaking trick . It's that , it's I , I .

Speaker 2

Earlier today I was downstairs and I was sitting there thinking to myself get your ass upstairs . You , you need to get upstairs and get get focused . What are we doing ? It's nice out , I don't care you . It's not humble to own a business and to be lackadaisical . That's how you go out of business . And I'm not saying this to beat myself up . I'm telling you this is how people go out of business . They're very lackadaisical . And now you don't have to be like me and say get your ass upstairs . But you can't just hang out on a Friday and not work and then still grow and scale a global business . Humility is that . That took humility . I had to humble myself and go Alan , you can't hang out . What are we doing here ? Get back to your glass balls , like we talked about on the . And if anyone didn't hear that episode , it's probably glass balls . What are we doing here ?

Speaker 1

Don't worry about it . Yeah , don't worry about it . Yeah , don't worry about it .

Speaker 2

So that's humility . But for you , self-belief , humility and work ethic you were missing the self-belief . Those three , those three are critical to success , Critical . I don't even know if you can be successful without those three , honestly , yeah it's so hard to get proof without self-belief .

Speaker 1

You know why I had this moment too . Do you know why I put so much emphasis on my body for most of my life ? Okay , let's see the alignment of this . Let's see the alignment of this . Okay . First ever girlfriend I had . First ever serious girlfriend I had . We were really good friends for a long time and then we ended up dating . One of the reasons was I was jacked , 100% Guaranteed .

Speaker 2

Didn't she say it ? She literally said it . No , that was a different one .

Speaker 1

We're going to get there though . So that was that , okay , cool . After that I had a spell of being single . For a while I was . I used to run the town loop in uxbridge and somehow , through the grapevine , I found out that some girl saw me run by and was interested in me . But I ran by shirtless . She didn't talk to me . She wasn't interested in my personality , so reached out to her . We hung out a couple times . Nothing serious ever happened . It was always that there was another girl , when I was younger , in between those two . No , no , this was earlier . Yeah , yeah , this was earlier , sorry , where she was choosing between me and one of my friends , and I was in better shape , so she chose me Did you talk about , and then said that , and then said that , and then said that , actually said that .

Speaker 1

yeah , she said that to me and in my mind I was like cool and what that was ? One of the most beautiful girls in the entire town . It worked . That was my , that was my thing . It worked cool . Yeah , this under armor worked . This under armor tank top worked .

Speaker 2

Because I was in , really I was in really good shape , that very strong depth of thinking right and again I'm this .

Speaker 1

I'm not saying again , all things considered , I'd rather be in good shape than not good shape . I'm not saying that . I'm not trying to make this . Woe is me .

Speaker 1

Yeah , you know there was a lot of benefits that came with that , but of course I thought I didn't have anything else to bring to the table . Of course , look at all the proof you've got to follow . I'm not saying you should follow the proof , but when you follow the proof it makes really good sense as to why we end up in the places that we end up . That is the way that I got significance . That is the way that I got attention . That is the one thing that I had that nobody around me had , not to the degree I did . It makes sense to me why somebody who has a lot of money flaunts their money and they always flaunt their money and they always flaunt their money and then their personality becomes their money Makes sense . It makes sense Because you go where the proof is and when you don't have self-belief , you have to go where the proof is .

Speaker 1

For me , most of my life , the to go where the proof is . For me , most of my life , the proof was luck . I got lucky . I'm in really good shape and I got lucky . Those were the two , those were the two things , and you know how many times I used to get I used to get commented on my body all the time and just an incredible amount of compliments and or direction of conversation , delivering stuff to a construction site . People will be like Jesus man , you're jacked . Thank you so much . I appreciate it . That's what I think is my value . That's all I have to offer . I'm just in good shape , cool that , and I think that's one of the reasons I felt like I felt like I was the guy in the sitcom who was jacked and dumb . That's who I felt like . I was the guy in the sitcom who was jacked and dumb . That's who I felt like I was for most of my life .

Kevin’s journey of fitness and how it shaped his self-worth

Speaker 2

And you continued to watch sitcoms , you continued to watch comedy movies all the time .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

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And you were really funny and you stayed jacked . We do we try to stay in alignment with our identity . Here's the truth . We do we try to stay in alignment with our identity .

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Here's the truth . I do care what I look like to a drastic extent . I have standards and when I get outside of standards I fix it and I course correct . But I don't know if I aspire . I don't aspire , I don't . I don't aspire ever to get to the place where I just say I don't care what I look like , I love myself no matter what I do , love myself and I would love myself , but I wouldn't love the amount of attention and effort I was putting on my physical body . If I love it , let me prove it by testing it daily and let me prove it by upkeeping it , and let me prove it by maintaining it , and let me prove it by living longer . Let me prove it . Let me prove it . But that's because that's always been my ticket .

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There was two kids in high school that I was terrified of and we were having a conversation . I was friends with them . I was buddies with them , but I was like you guys are badasses , you are the two baddest dudes in the school . And they were like dude , we would never fight you Like you guys would kick my ass , both of you . I wouldn't even it wouldn't . I'm afraid of you . I am genuinely afraid of you , but I was in really good shape and I trained martial arts .

Speaker 2

So everybody thought I was a badass . So that that's . It is weird to me because I actually used to think you were a badass too , and I still do , just not in the same way . Well , because I'm not .

Speaker 1

Really how interesting is that , or maybe I'm more of a badass ? You definitely are , I don't know . Try me and find out , son , you know what I mean . Try me and find out In the real world you really are .

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Yeah , way more .

Speaker 1

I think I'm more well-rounded .

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You now would versus the other Kevin . It wouldn't even be close , brother .

Speaker 1

That other Kevin would crack like a walnut or a full guy's origami , full to the pressure In terms of well-roundedness . Yeah , but I didn't care about that . No , but in all things .

Speaker 2

Well-rounded , yeah , well-rounded . Yeah , so that Kevin would beat you in the gym and beat you in what ?

Speaker 1

a fight . No , I'd beat him in a fight because I know more , but he might beat me in the gym . I was very , very strong back then . I don't know why it just was I was very strong . I didn't know what I was doing and I didn't do a lick of mobility , so it wasn't sustainable , but there was a lot of strength . And when high school , testosterone is something different when you're 17 .

Speaker 2

Yeah , you know , I wouldn't know , I didn't have any testosterone .

Speaker 1

I know You're just getting mine now . I'm just getting mine now , which is good .

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Yeah , it is .

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There's so many places we can go with this and I hope everyone's thinking about their childhood and their identity . Most importantly , yeah , high school and , let's just say this , teenage years . Kevin and I gave a speech once to middle schoolers , sophomores and freshmen , which is lower high school and then upper high school , juniors and seniors , and the development of the ego was wild to me . It was fascinating . Same speech , same room , same you and me . If anything , we performed better , but it got worse , and the reason why is the self-improvement was less cool as you got older and older . The middle schoolers were very open-minded , the freshman and sophomores were a little less , and then the juniors and seniors might as well have been making fun of us and Kev's like I would have too .

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I can't even imagine that . By the way . I know I don't want to go down that rabbit hole , but you and I are in good shape . We're adult men , grown-ass men . We showed up correct . I would have been inspired by us . I'm serious , I really would have , but I would have been . Maybe that's because I was such a loser . You were a try hard .

Speaker 1

I think you were a try hard , but not really in retrospect . It's likehard . I think you were a try-hard , but not really In retrospect . It's like you did exactly what you were supposed to do .

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You know it's such a weird thing too , because I was talking about the straight A's thing and , yeah , I did what I had to do to get straight A's , but I didn't try that hard . It was I tried harder than the average bear , but easy for me , if that makes sense . I didn't have to try that hard because I was always very intelligent , uh , and still still feel that way about a lot of things . And that's why I need humility , because , dude , just because you're gifted doesn't mean you don't have to try hard like you're . There's other gifted people that are working hard and so , uh , to bring this back to the identity piece , what you think you are , the story you tell yourself about yourself is is what is the new story like ? What is kevin 3.6 going to be ? What's the ? I mean , do you think you're smart ?

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I sometimes I wonder if I even know anymore where anyone falls on the on the bell curve , and and I think I have a better pulse on it now than I ever have . But I don't really question , I don't ask myself like , do I think kevin's smart ? I would say , yes , definitely . But I don't walk around thinking Kevin's so freaking smart . You know what I mean . I don't even think I'm that smart . In a weird way , it's like statistically , I know that I am , but I don't walk around going . I'm so freaking smart . You know , if anything , I'm looking at where .

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I'm screwing up , I think , when you're aware of potential for it . I think it goes back to the episode we did on clarity . That was yesterday's episode . Yeah , yesterday's episode when you're clear on how much potential you have , you're always chasing it .

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Always .

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I never thought I had any , so for me it was , it wasn't , there was nothing to chase .

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When you hear quotes like it's you versus your potential , I feel that way and this will land . I really feel strongly about this . Everyone listening or watching People who have high self-belief , statistically speaking , and I've coached them . I've coached people with and without self-belief Hundreds at this stage . People with higher self-belief , subconsciously and unconsciously the real self-belief . They are always benchmarking against a future potential . They're benchmarking against their own potential . Amy Linnaeus I'm going to use Amy . What's happening ? I'm going to use her as an example . She's benchmarking up against her potential as a mother . She's a way better mother than any of the mothers I saw growing up , but she never thinks I'm a great mother . She never thinks that because in her mind , she's still below her own standard well , there's something there's something to that .

Speaker 1

You can't , you cannot berate yourself beyond your level of self-belief

How people with high self-belief benchmark against their future potential

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, because then it's detrimental . I think , I think .

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It's like I don't walk around . I remember Kevin saying this to me . He said it's not that they're ignorant , alan , it's that you're really intelligent . And I remember thinking I can't walk around thinking that I'm going to read less books if I do that . I'm not going to walk around thinking I'm so freaking smart . That doesn't make any sense , because I'm that's like being like oh , I'm great at basketball . Okay , well , I'm done . Now I guess I don't have to practice my jump shot .

Speaker 1

I can be strong and aspire to get stronger .

Speaker 2

It's hard to when you're in the gym , you kind of have to say I'm kind of disappointed . There's a constructive line there . You can't . There's a destructive line with feeling good about yourself . There's a . Yeah , I know , you know this you can't walk in the gym thinking you're the man when your gym is people that are not in great shape .

Speaker 1

It depends . It's big fish in small pond syndrome you can't Right .

Speaker 2

It's very . I try really hard to never get big fish in small pond syndrome , because when I was the most unfulfilled in my life it was when I was the biggest fish in the smallest freaking pond . Yeah , and I never want to let that happen again .

Speaker 1

However , if you don't have self-belief , you kind of have to do the , and I would have you speak to that you yeah , I think that's why it's so hard is you have to figure out what level of of psyching yourself up is actually positive , what level ? I think I'm the man when I go to the gym and there's some people at the gym that are in really good shape , but I don't care , I'm there to crush it . But it's a duality .

Speaker 2

You don't think you're the man . You do and you don't . You know what .

Speaker 1

I mean there's work to be done . Yeah , there's always work to be done which one's bigger ?

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it's syntax . In my gym I feel good as I'm in one of the best shape in my but it's a big fish , small pond for sure , yeah . But there was a dude in there the other day next to me benching and he , I mean , it's not close , it's not even close . This dude's worst day is stronger than my best . It's not even freaking close for me . I love that . He was doing incline bench with 245s and a 25 on each side for reps 275 . Good for him . Yeah , and I'm , what was I doing ? I think I was doing flat bench for 185 for eight or something like that , and he's just hammering it . I love that . However , it's syntaxual . It's you versus your potential first . I don't compare to others that much . I try really hard not to Well .

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I think you actually know your potential . I compared to him in that moment consciously .

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Say that again , I think you actually know your potential . I think it's really hard to know your potential . I don't know what my potential is . I'm going to be very honest I am a way better speaker than I ever thought I could be . I'm way better at podcasting than I ever thought I could be . A thousand percent , a thousand percent , yes , a thousand percent . I am way more capable as a business owner . I had a moment the other day where I was like , yeah , no , I'm a business owner . It's like just now landing that I'm a business owner so wild I've been a business owner since 2019 .

Speaker 1

It's been six years , five years .

Speaker 2

I'm so grateful you share stuff like that , because you never used to share stuff like that .

Speaker 1

Well , I didn't know that I didn't . I didn't know what was what I like that well , I didn't know that I didn't , I didn't know what was what . I had a moment where I was . I I was sitting in my car last night . I went for , I went , I got a burger king where I was thinking it's like I really hope alan understands what when I said that taran gets me better than he does , like he knows what I , oh yeah yeah , 100 because I don't understand completely .

Speaker 2

That's always the fear is it's gonna be like I don't , I don't completely .

Speaker 1

That's always the fear . It's going to be like . I don't want you ever to be like Kevin's more than he thought he was . Does that mean he's going to stop trying to get better than he ?

Speaker 2

is no . I think it's awesome because I learned so much from it .

Speaker 1

That's my honest take . I'm essentially better at everything other than fitness .

Speaker 2

Than you thought you'd be , than I thought I'd be , which makes sense , because fitness was the one thing that you knew you were awesome at . So you really are benchmarking against your environment .

Speaker 1

I am kind of benchmarking against my past , because I don't know what my potential is . I just know I'm awesome . Imagine there's no speedometer . It's just like I'm just going faster Than I was . I don't know how fast this thing can go .

Speaker 2

This is why experience Is so important when you , when you experienced Driving the BMW off the lot , that kind of stuff 100% .

Speaker 1

I never thought that was going to happen . It doesn't .

Speaker 2

I don't understand Then , why have the dream car like ? Why would you have a dream car and then not expect to achieve it ?

Speaker 1

because I , for me , it was never expecting , it was desiring .

Speaker 2

Expectations and desires are two different things all right , what's something that you are expecting now ?

Speaker 1

oh boy boy .

Speaker 2

Expecting of yourself . By the way , I want to make this clear . I don't mean like , oh , someone's going to show up with your drink .

Speaker 1

I would like you to give me a golden toilet , yeah .

Speaker 2

I only ever wipe my butt with 50s . Or as Kevin would say I don't get out of bed for less than a Jibo . Less than a Jibo .

Speaker 1

Which is again , again . That's a joke , one of the funniest quotes I get out of bed for free every day , I promise , yeah . What am I expecting of myself in terms of a , an accomplishment ? Yeah , yeah , what's ? An accomplishment that you actually anticipate I don't even know two thousand episodes .

Speaker 2

Okay , so when we hit that , that'll be like cool .

Speaker 1

Yeah , it'll be cool .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , Okay . How is that different than the BMW ?

Speaker 1

You could see the lead up to it . It's like , dude , we're already at 1860 , whatever 1862 . Of course we're going to get 2,000 . But I didn't believe that in the beginning . What if ?

Speaker 2

I have that same exact thing , but with more stuff .

Speaker 1

I think you do , but I also think that's why at times you don't understand people as well as I do , because I can understand what it's like to not . I think there's I think there's it's delusion . There's some people that start something and think they're gonna be Like when I started I wanted to be Joe Rogan . I didn't think I was gonna be . I thought it would be really cool if I could get to Imagine getting to that level . Holy shit , what a life that would be . There are some people that start and expect the total opposite of I'm probably not . Nothing's really going to happen . And then nothing does happen in the beginning because it's not really supposed to , and then you think you're doing something wrong when in reality you're just . This is just how it goes for most of us in the beginning and accurate thinking is is the solution that's we gotta hop .

The importance of accurate thinking

Speaker 1

I know , I know , I know you're devastated . If you want , we can do part two . If you want to do part two , we can . I would love .

Speaker 2

I would adore to do an episode on why accurate thinking matters .

Speaker 1

We can do it . We'll do it tomorrow . We'll do it tomorrow , that's exactly .

Speaker 2

I appreciate it . That's exactly what this is of the people who are delusional quit because they're not going to , but there's something about self-awareness and accurate thinking . Yeah , accurate thinking about self , others and the world .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , alright , we're going to do an episode on it tomorrow . No more teases . No more teases , alright . Next Level Nation . If you are looking for a private Facebook group , that is all about this . Please join Next Level Nation . If you are a podcaster , who is looking for a private Facebook group , all about podcasting , podcasting . I launched podcast growth nation . First post was today . We've got some engagement already . Shout out to everybody in there . We appreciate you so very much . Alan is doing coaching . We'll have his free 30 minute business breakthrough session . Link in the chat . Book it and you will learn a thing or two , hopefully , and if not , it's free and you only wasted 30 minutes of your time just kidding . It won't happen

Outro

Speaker 1

, I promise . As always , we love you , we appreciate you , grateful for each and every one of you and NLU . We don't have fans , we have family .

Speaker 2

We'll talk to you all tomorrow Keep after it . Next Level Nation .

Speaker 1

Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University . We love connecting with the Next Level family .

Speaker 2

We mean it when we say family . If you ever need anything , please reach out to us directly . Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes .

Speaker 1

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow .

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Alan Lazaros

Host
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Kevin Palmieri

Host