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The 4-Step FEAR Cycle (1865)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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Redefine your relationship with fear. In today’s episode, hosts Kevin and Alan tackle how fear and self-doubt can stop you from reaching your full potential—and what you can do about it. They break down their simple “Four-Step Fear Cycle” to guide you through facing your fears, using real-life examples like public speaking and personal setbacks. Whether you’re struggling with anxiety in your career or personal life, this episode offers practical, relatable tips to help you turn fear into fuel for growth.

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Show notes:
(2:01) Gratitude
(5:28) The 4-step fear cycle explained
(9:11) Being present in fearful situations
(12:07) Self-Doubt vs. Overconfidence
(15:08) At NLU, we want you to win! So, we’re giving tools and resources to ensure your success. Join our Monthly Meet-up every first Thursday of the month at 5 PM. https://bit.ly/3BPR2B4
(18:30) Public speaking and flying
(26:23) Identifying your core fear and facing it
(28:25) Outro

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Speaker 1

but that's why it's so hard. When somebody has a very high level of self-belief and they tell you to face your fears, they don't really know what they're talking about.

Speaker 2

Yeah, they don't know what it's like to have that.

Speaker 1

If you've had 10 out of 10 self-belief, the last thing you're afraid of is failure. You're afraid of success If self-doubt is the issue.

Speaker 2

it's almost that's all you have to focus on overcoming. It's just get yourself to show up enough times to where you actually get better, whereas for me that doesn't resonate because that's not the fear. If anything, I need more self-doubt, so I prep better.

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Speaker 1

Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. Today, for episode number 1,865, the four-step fear cycle. To overcome any fear and be the most courageous, brave human being that has ever walked the face of the earth, and never be afraid again of anything. And then to conquer everything.

Speaker 2

That's today's episode.

Speaker 1

I couldn't fit all that in the title, so we shortened it. Alan wanted to start with some gratitude before we start today's episode, so I'm going to kick it to.

Gratitude

Speaker 2

Alan quickly. Every time I go on another podcast I was on two earlier, awesome I always say I want to start with gratitude, I want to end with gratitude, and I do every single time. I said thank you for having me. At one point this was a dream come true and I just realized I don't do that enough with our listeners. Sorry, I really think we should, and so I'm just grateful for all of you being on this journey. There have been some reviews that have come through. I've had some listeners from a while ago reach out and reconnected with one person from book club from years back, and it's just been awesome. So I'm really grateful you're all on this growth journey with us. I it is a dream come true to help people reach their potential, and I never want to lose sight of that, no matter how challenging the climb gets, because every time you reach a peak, there's another peak that's higher and harder to climb, and then there's another peak, a next level, one would say. Some would say some could say and so I'm grateful.

Speaker 1

Well, I second that it was Alan's idea. He said, hey, I want to start with gratitude, so I didn't want to jump on the train and just do it and then say, alan, you go now after I'm done. I feel exactly the same way. I've had the pleasure and privilege of connecting with a lot of. I feel exactly the same way. I've had the pleasure and privilege of connecting with a lot of NLU family members that I haven't talked to in a long time, and it's been wonderful. It's been wonderful, I think, for a time. We lost sight of that, if I'm being honest and transparent.

Speaker 2

Yeah, why we?

Speaker 1

started, it's easy to lose sight of why you started.

Speaker 2

I don't think we lost sight of why we started, but we did.

Speaker 1

We didn't do it as much.

Speaker 2

Yeah, we neglected the listeners a little bit unintentionally, because we got so damn busy, man.

Speaker 1

I told Taryn this last night. So last night was group coaching. So yesterday was a 13-hour day Group coaching finished. I had a call with Amy, alan had a coaching call, so Amy and I we did the post-group coaching call. It's most important win, most important improvement what's going on? What'd you think? How terrible did you think it was? How great did you think it was? Where are we today? And then after that, somebody from group coaching messaged me and they asked me a question and I just didn't want to stop adding value. I told Taryn. I was like I've this. I this is how I know I'm doing the right thing, because I'm the most fulfilled when I'm adding value. And I don't care that I worked all day, I don't care that my food's in the microwave, I don't care that my food's getting cold. I genuinely just don't care. I want to add value to this person. That's what it is. That's what it's about. That's why we started.

Speaker 2

So I feel that deeply. I had two individuals from group coaching yesterday too, so that was. It's just great. It's great to have the feedback, so keep it up. Thank you so much, thank you so much, seriously, and uh, thank you for listening, and if you are listening and you've never reached out, I want to encourage that, because we're not just two people on a microphone.

Speaker 1

We're, we're here to connect, so, uh, yeah, please reach out even if it's just hello, what's happening slip into our dms on, you can say hello, hey, how you durn. You could say something like that if you so choose, if that's hey, I you know I appreciate your insights far more than kevin's.

Speaker 2

You could say whatever, I doubt that.

Speaker 1

Whatever you that's, I would actually I would second that, though I think you have more powerful insights than I do. I think I am better at everything than you are. Everything, most everything. Yeah, that's bold Bold.

Speaker 2

That's a bold statement. I don't know why, but you and I are just that took courage to say.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I'm very courageous today. This is the first time Alan and I have talked today, so that's why we're just like, hey, let's check how you doing, man, we're just like hey, let's check how you doing man, what's new? How's the fam? How are you doing? How has your sleep been All?

Speaker 2

right, how are the cats?

Speaker 1

How are the cats? I was journaling yesterday. This is where this episode comes from. And again, this isn't a go buy the Dreamliner. I mean go buy it if you want it, but this is genuinely how the process works. So I All right. Yesterday's question in the Dreamliner was fear is meant to keep you away from danger, not your dreams. What is your relationship with fear? Do you allow fear to scare you away or drive you to become more courageous? And I wrote some stuff and then I wrote this. I wrote for me. Fear is kind of like this, and this is the four steps One, survive the experience. So let's say it's speaking in front of somebody that you care about. Let's say it's public speaking, whatever. Actually stepping up here's a good one.

Speaker 2

Having to do a speech at a wedding. Are you going to have to do a speech? I?

Speaker 1

am yeah.

Speaker 2

Are you?

Speaker 1

ready and you better believe. No, I'm this. I told Taryn. I said this is the most nervous I've ever been for any speech. Whoa, yeah. Cool man, Not because of the amount of people. It's because of the specificity of the people. Get it on video. I'm sure we will I want to see it. I'm sure we will.

Speaker 2

All right, I haven't recorded that bad, larry, I will.

Speaker 1

I'll be so hammered I probably won't even remember it. Just kidding, you, don't get drunk before best man speech. That is a sin. All right, one, survive. You actually have to do the thing and prove to yourself that it is not deadly to get that far outside of your comfort zone. So one is just. It's almost like if it's your first time cooking. Don't worry about if it's burnt, don't worry about if it's cooked perfectly, don't worry about if the portions are right, don't worry about if the sauce is thick enough. You just have to survive the experience. That's the first part. Two is actually get to the point where, hopefully, you can experience it and feel it.

Speaker 1

One of the things I've noticed, alan, we were talking about this on a podcast. I was on the other day. I was talking about it with a host. He said how did you get more comfortable speaking and at what point did you realize you should just be yourself on stage? And I said yeah, it's a great question. I said after I got hijacked emotionally so many times and I just forgot where I was and what I was doing, like when I couldn't, when I got to the place where I could actually be present, even though I couldn't. When I got to the place where I could actually be present, even though I was nervous, that's when I realized I could just be myself. And that's what I'm talking about. With the experience and actually feeling it, I'm saying you have to try to be in the moment. That's number two. Number three might be my favorite word and the next word I get tattooed on my forehead reflect, reflect. So you've survived it, you experienced it, you felt it, you were present. Now, it doesn't have to be immediately after, but at some point, I would say when the emotions are relatively high, I think it is very beneficial to reflect on the whole experience, because number four is lock in the proof.

Speaker 1

So imagine this. Imagine you're so afraid, let's just say, to do the best man speech, you're so afraid to do it, and you're counting down the days until it comes and you're catastrophizing. And you're afraid to do it, and you're counting down the days until it comes, and you're catastrophizing and you're ruminating and you think it's going to go terribly wrong. Oh, my goodness, goodness, the moment comes. You get that giant leap of courage, that giant dose of courage that you need. You step up, even though your heart's beating through your chest and you're sweating and you just say, okay, I'm here and I'm going to survive this. Okay, boom.

Speaker 1

Second piece is you try to achieve presence during it. That one, I think, is probably the hardest. Easier said than done. There's a equation for flow in there somewhere, and it's hard if you're too far outside of your comfort zone. But in an ideal world you'd be able to get to the point where you could actually feel what you were doing and be present in your own body. And okay, yeah, no, people are laughing. Okay, good, good, good, this is working. People are laughing Versus just powering through the whole thing and then saying, all right, shit, we're done. Awesome, getting to the point where you can actually pull the strings on what's happening is an ideal situation.

Speaker 1

Three reflect Whether Pull the strings on what's happening is an ideal situation. Three reflect Whether it's later. That night you're thinking, okay, yeah, maybe that went better than I expected. What would I have changed? Maybe it's the next morning, maybe it's a week later, whatever it is. And then four is lock in the proof. When you're locking in the proof, ultimately you're saying A that either went better or worse than I thought. B I was either more nervous or less nervous than I thought. And then these are the things that I can adjust based on this experience. Essentially, that is what I have done over the last seven years.

Speaker 1

In a nutshell, when it comes to facing fears, I would say maybe the fear of flying one is probably the best one. The first time I flew since I was a kid, I flew to England and I was terrified. I was so nervous. Then, on the way home, my buddy I went with booked the wrong flight for himself, so I had to fly home from England by myself and I was pooping kittens. But the more I flew, the more I realized all I have to do is get on the plane. Once I'm on the plane, it's out of my control. That's the thing. That's the survive. Let me just survive getting on the plane. And then, as I flew, more and more and more and more, I became less and less and less afraid, to the point where I'm excited to fly now. I still have moments where it's like what the freak was that noise? Anybody else hear that noise? Is the engine powering down? Is everything good? Anybody else look nervous? No, everybody looks good. Okay, cool, we're good. I still have those moments, but it's way less than it's ever been.

Speaker 2

I just thought of a joke. It's way less than it's ever been. I just thought of a joke. Hey, hey, if one of the engines goes, how far do you think the other one will take us? Right to the scene of the crash. No you can fly with one, which is fortunate because that's where we're headed. You can fly with one. No, I'm only joking.

Speaker 1

Well, I don't want anybody out there, anybody who's afraid of flying, to think if you lose an engine, I've done the research, you're good. That's why they got two of those bad Larrys Planes very rarely crash.

Speaker 2

There's statistics help, I think. Well, you like statistics.

Speaker 1

I like four-step processes. I guess. What's your take on all this? Because you're weird with fear.

Speaker 2

Well, I did have a moment. You mentioned this in group coaching yesterday. You said I think we taught the drive to five. So the drive to five is people who are zero struggle with self-doubt. People who are 10 are overconfident. And the overconfident people think they don't need to prepare. The underconfident people struggle to take the thing, do the action. So the best man speech would be a good example. So if you allow self-doubt to win, you won't do it. You'll say I can't do this. Man, I'm sorry, I can't do this, you've got to get someone else.

Speaker 2

If you're overconfident, you won't prep and you'll bomb, and that's not smart either. I've been there. So drive to five is confident, but humble humble enough to prep, but confident enough to do it, and everything is the drive to five. We are convinced. However, you mentioned yesterday I think I'm a little over right now, cause we had everyone rate themselves from zero to 10 where they're at, and you said I'm a little over right now, probably because I'm a little fearful and I, but I still need to perform, and I had this moment when you were talking, where I was like that's what's ego. That's what ego is when someone's pretending not to be afraid when they are. I think that's ego.

Speaker 1

Can I throw a wrinkle in? Of course, I think one of the reasons I was over is because you were under.

Speaker 2

That's not a wrinkle. That's you had to lead or perform because I was under A wrinkle in the story.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think that was a piece of it is.

Speaker 2

A wrinkle means to me you're breaking my theory.

Speaker 1

Is that what it means You're?

Speaker 2

giving me disconfirming evidence. You know how people say well, there's an exception to every rule. Well, no, there isn't. That's what makes it a rule. Oh, uh, but that's me being a math weirdo. So I was under by a little bit and you were over to compensate, because together we have to be at five. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think that that's been happening in this journey. It's going to be in 2025. It'll be March of 2025. It'll be eight years.

Speaker 1

I don't see. Here's the thing Some math is. It just seems like it should be super simple when it comes to counting years from a specific date. To me it's like another language 2017 to 2018.

Speaker 2

2018 to 2019. 2019 to 2020. 2020 to 2021. 2021 to 2022. 2022 to 2023, 2023 to 2024, 2024 to 2025. Yeah, so it'll be eight years. I'm going to start saying eight years. I round up, son, all right.

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Speaker 2

It's going to be eight years, in March of 2025, which is coming up in two quarters. All right, here's my point. All right, here's my point. For the last almost eight years, you and I I was overconfident, you were self-doubt, and then we drove to five, drove to five, drove to five, drove to five. Sometimes we flipped for very short times. Sometimes you got a little arrogant and I got you know, started with self-doubt when it comes to certain things, and then we flip back quickly.

Speaker 2

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Speaker 2

The fear that you're describing, that you start with it takes humility. To admit that you're afraid, one of the things that really messed with me. I'm not afraid of planes, dude. I'm not afraid of giving a speech. What I needed to realize is I'm not afraid of planes, dude. I'm not afraid of giving a speech. What I needed to realize is I'm not afraid of the same thing, like I don't doubt whether or not I can do it, but I am afraid of being disliked. So it's almost like I wouldn't be afraid up until the speech and then I'd go oh no, this is going to be terrible because I'm going to be disliked. But I wasn't aware that that was a fear that I had, so I didn't prepare for that, in a way, and so you were not afraid giving the best man speech. You're not afraid to be disliked, are you?

Speaker 1

I don't know I there's a piece of me that's like gosh. I don't want to be speaker, kev. I want to be best friend, kev.

Speaker 2

Are you afraid to be disliked? Pointed question.

Speaker 1

I would say more than More than usual, because people aren't going to be rating my speaking skills. So, yeah, I would say more than usual.

Speaker 2

What's the biggest fear about it? And again for the listeners or anyone watching or listening to this, I want you to think about your fears in your life, but right now I want to come at Kev with this. Bring it what.

Speaker 1

Uh-huh, I said, bring it son.

Speaker 2

Oh, okay. What are you the most fearful of?

Speaker 1

Not doing a yeah, doing a disservice. My deepest, deepest fear is me doing the speech and then, after I do it, matt saying I wish he wasn't the best man, that Okay. Well, what?

Speaker 2

would that mean, if he says that, that I disappointed him, and that would mean what A failure.

Speaker 2

Right, okay, so I playfully joked on a podcast earlier. I said there are two types of people in life people who are afraid and liars. And I didn't know how fearful I was because I wasn't afraid of what everyone else was saying they were afraid of. And I really hope this lands for our listeners, because I that cycle you're talking about still works, but it won't work until you admit what you're actually fearful of. It's fair. And the other piece of this, too, is what was the first step in your cycle? It was admit the fear. No, it was survive, survive. Okay, you going into this best man speech, we're going to keep using that as an example. If you feel the fear and then prep, the prep needs to be pointed toward the opposite of whatever the fear is. So when you prep, you're not going to prep to be more articulate, you're going to prep to have it be more meaningful.

Speaker 1

Yeah, get laughs. You want to get laughs. You want to create nostalgia. It's not the same thing.

Speaker 2

Hook story lesson future based. Yeah, it's not hook story. Lesson future based. You're not going to teach anyone personal development development, are you here's? The five steps maybe a little something in there.

Speaker 1

Maybe I'll try to, I'll try to slide it. I'll try to slide it. You know, try to little moral lesson and throw it in there, one of the things that I'm gonna say. I can't say it. I can't say it, but I I know where I'm gonna go with some of the stuff. Even though this is literally a year away now, I I'm already working on it.

Speaker 2

You know why you're already working on it Anxiety that's because that's my process.

Speaker 2

That's my process. One of my favorite things about Inside Out, too, is it shows that anxiety has a purpose. Anxiety, if you let it take the garden, is not good, but you should have a little bit of anxiety enough to at least prep. Anxiety is essentially a part of you going hey man, this could go horribly wrong, and it probably won't if you worry enough to do something in advance about it. That has kept us alive, but it's also going to keep you from thriving if you don't do this cycle.

Speaker 1

Kevin's mentioning Well, and here's the thing too, there's no piece of me that thinks this cycle is infallible and it's the best it can be. This was something I journaled and I said honestly, that's what's worked for me. So I think that makes a valuable episode, because I've had the opportunity and necessity to face most of my fears. I mean, think about it. My biggest fears were public speaking being a failure. I mean, think about it. My biggest fear is Republic speaking being a failure, disappointing others and flying and you've done all of those. I do all those a lot. I don't fly a ton, but I do all the other ones a ton. I'm disappointing people regularly.

Speaker 2

Do you think so? The three main fears and I know we kind of got to go soon, I think I think we have seven minutes, okay, yeah, I was on a podcast earlier talking about this. They asked great questions. The three main fears that I have it boiled down to is fear of failure, fear of judgment, fear of success. So mine is fear of success and I think it comes down to abandonment. The more successful I am, the more my peers might lash out, get jealous, abandon, avoid whatever Right, and I never realized that that was my fear. Father passed away, stepfather left, extended family. I lost a lot of love from a very young age, for lack of a better phrasing. So fear of abandonment was big, and so if I shrink myself and stay small, I will be not avoided and I'll be able to keep my friends. Goodwill hunting is a great metaphor for that. Okay, enough about me. Fear of failure I actually think it's fear of being seen as a failure more than it is fear of failure. But I don't really have a fear of being seen as a failure. As a matter of fact, me being seen as a failure actually helps my friendships. Oh good, he finally lost Awesome, I remember in video games I would always win and people would love when I would lose, because I always won.

Speaker 2

So in board games too. And now I'm realizing okay, no wonder why I'm not afraid of failure. Everybody, I always get tons of praise when I lose. People get happy when I lose. Genuinely, you know how many people get pumped when I lose. The only person who isn't pumped when I lose is the person on my team Me. That's serious, like I'm talking. Anything from Beirut Can Jam, cause I just was someone who wanted a lot of things.

Speaker 1

Or the last seven years of this journey. I've been the partner for all of the failures.

Speaker 2

I don't like them, but honestly, if you, if you weren't on my team, there might be a part of you that wants to see me lose because I win at so many things right, so it doesn't matter. My point is for someone who is afraid of failure that is not me. Is it being fearful of being seen as a failure, or is it actually afraid of failure itself?

Speaker 1

I think it's being seen as a failure and then realizing, if you feel like you're seen as a failure, you won't try it again. It almost for me, it almost turns it off. It's almost it. Now it's no longer an option like you've. You sucked at this. You look really bad.

Speaker 2

That's the real fear is that the self-doubt will cripple you, right is that? I would say that's yeah, I would say that's accurate. I was with someone earlier coaching and I said you're gonna. You're gonna do better than you think you always do. You just can't let self-doubt stop you from trying. Now, if it were to go horribly wrong, hopefully she doesn't blame me, because I'm the one who encouraged her to do it and I don't think she will. She won't and for you listening, I know that you won't. We've been through it for many years. But the point is, if self-doubt is the issue, it's almost that's. All you have to focus on. Overcoming is just get yourself to show up enough times to where you actually get better, whereas for me that doesn't resonate, because that's not the fear I know, I know if anything, I need more self-doubt, so I prep better.

Speaker 1

It's a very hard cycle because it's the thing that you're the most afraid of, is the thing that you need to face the most. It's just that If you're afraid to be a public speaker, the way to be less afraid is to do speeches.

Speaker 2

For me. I'm fearful of being hated. That's all I have to keep facing. I'm of being hated, and that's all I have to keep facing. I'm just fearful of being hated and villainized and disliked and lashed out at. I'm not afraid of giving a bad speech, that it doesn't resonate whatsoever. You want to know why. When I give a bad speech, I bet you people are pumped.

Speaker 1

Honestly, some people are pumped yeah, you're not because you're, I mean it's fair, it's fair, it's fair, it's, but that's why it's fair, it's fair, it's fair, but that's why it's so hard. When somebody has a very high level of self-belief and they tell you to face your fears, they don't really know what they're talking about.

Speaker 2

They don't because they don't feel the same thing.

Speaker 1

Yeah, they don't know what it's like. They don't know. They don't know what it like agreed for to have that if you've had 10 out of 10 self-belief, the last thing you're afraid of is failure. You're afraid of success. Yeah, 100. I never understood that, how you're not afraid of success, you're afraid of the social ostracization that comes from success.

Speaker 2

Yeah, you're afraid of being villainized for being better than yeah that it has nothing to do with success or the closet I like success. I don't like the social challenges and pain that comes from being better than, or losing friends or abandonment, so it's always deeper than just fear of failure and fear of success. We got to do an episode on that at some point because I'm in.

Speaker 1

I'm in One of the other things and we don't have time to go deep, but we could do this in the other one is, I think, one of the other things and we don't have time to go deep, but we can do this in.

Speaker 1

The other one is I think one of the things for fear of success is if you have skeletons in the closet, yeah, if you've done some stuff that you're not proud of, that's available. And again, I'm not saying like I don't know what an example would be, necessarily I'm not saying you have a sex tape hidden in your closet somewhere or whatever. I'm not saying that. But if you have a sex tape hidden in your closet somewhere or whatever, I'm not saying that, but if you have proverbial skeletons in the closet.

Identifying your core fear and facing it

Speaker 2

My fear is someone would make something up to tear me down, understandable, genuinely. That's an actual fear and if they're going to do that, they're going to do that. There's nothing I can do about it, except for just not be successful. There's nothing I can do about it, except for just not be successful. So, when you dig underneath this stuff, that would be the only takeaway I would have for this episode, for everyone out there watching or listening Gratitude, thank you for being on this journey. You have to identify your core fear. Is it fear? Is it social courage that you need? Because social courage is. I'm going gonna go be successful and even if someone makes stuff up about me, I'll know it's not true and I'll, and I'll just say listen, that's not true, right? Or is it your self-doubt? Is it crippling self-doubt? Uh, and it's not. There, there is a percentage of the population that does not struggle with self-doubt very much.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think it's a small percentage.

Speaker 2

Right, yeah, four percent is what I think, based on the research of goals, and there's a lot of research about people who have written clear goals that actually achieve them, and it's, I think, people who struggle to believe in themselves obviously don't write their goals down and then don't achieve them, and it makes sense because they doubt. If you doubt it and you don't have any certainty, why would you write it down? Because now you're not only seen as a failure, you're also seen yeah, so this is really powerful. Just identify what your core fear is and then stare that thing in the face.

Speaker 1

Make friends with your fears. That would be my takeaway, as much as you can. Again, it's not going to go from hating planes to flying a plane. Most likely it's probably not going to work that way. That's okay. It doesn't have to go that way, it's just are we moving in the right, positive direction? That's it. That's why I'm on.

Speaker 1

The frame now of progress is personal. Maybe you don't face your fears as much as I did or as much as Alan did, or maybe you don't face your fears as much as I did or as much as Alan did, or maybe you're facing your fears more than somebody else's. Whatever, progress is personal. Fear chasing is personal. All this stuff is personal, all right. If you are afraid of joining new groups, I would challenge you to join Next Level Nation Number one. It's a warm place to fear chase, so I know it's not going to go wrong. Nothing is going to go horribly wrong. But it's also imperative and very important to get around people like you in your growth journey, and that is exactly what Next Level Nation is. We'll have the link in the show notes, as always.

Outro

Speaker 2

I had someone reach out to me yesterday or today. I got back to her today on Instagram and she was a member of Book Club all those years ago. Two and today on Instagram and she was a member of book club all those years ago. Two and a half three years ago I said we miss you in book club. Book club has been happening for almost four years, three years and seven months, I believe. We've read 18 books, all self-improvement, next level books with next level people. We hope that you join us. The registration link will be in the show notes. It'll email you. You can add it to your google calendar. Every Saturday 12 30 pm eastern. Very, very, very rarely do we move it and if we do, you will get an email in advance about that.

Speaker 1

As always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow. Please reach out. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Speaker 2

We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Speaker 1

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow. You.

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Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

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