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Is success really about trophies and titles, or is there something deeper? In this special episode, Kevin and Alan celebrate a significant milestone and share how focusing on inner growth can change everything. They unpack why chasing achievements sometimes leaves us empty and share personal stories about self-worth, development, and the struggles that come with it. Discover why putting in the hard work first is crucial, how to truly love yourself without gimmicks, and why the things you avoid might hold the answers you need. If you’re on a journey to grow, stay motivated, or figure out what’s next, this episode is packed with honest, helpful advice to spark your next breakthrough. Tune in and take the next step toward the success that matters.

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Show notes:
(3:09) Why “work smart, not hard” requires a foundation of hard work
(4:56) The paradox of advice
(6:28) Accepting who you are before improving yourself
(9:41) An essential reflection
(12:29) Inside-out growth for sustainable success
(13:33) Next Level Dreamliner: the planner, agenda, journal, and

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Kevin Palmieri

and then I go talk to people who all say Kev, you're really good at this. Oh, my goodness, you're smart, you're a great speaker. And then I get off and I have to figure out. Why do I hate myself, though? Why does everybody love me and I hate me? What is that about? Why I think that's when external results actually makes it worse.

Alan Lazaros

Everything's a paradox and every piece of advice that you want is most likely not as good for you, and unfortunately, we all live in an echo chamber of what we want. So if you love affirming advice, what you need is listen, nope. If you love nope, you actually might need a little more affirming advice.

Kevin Palmieri

Welcome to Next Level University. I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri.

Alan Lazaros

And I'm your co-host, alan Lazarus, at NLU. We believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers. Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life, love, health and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri

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Kevin Palmieri

Welcome to Next Level University. Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. Today it's 18,. Excuse me, it's episode number 1900. 1800, I'm losing my mind. Today's episode number 1900. And oftentimes, when we cross a milestone 100, so we go from 1500 to 1600 or whatever it is we do a special episode. So today's Thursday we usually do Freestyle Friday. We're going to do kind of a freestyle Thursday and talk about some stuff. That's the way to really hook you. You're hooked. Now, if you're listening, you're like whoa, what are you guys going to talk about?

Alan Lazaros

You're going to talk about submarines, or you turned it off.

Kevin Palmieri

Yeah well, if you turned it off, you can't hear me. Submarines, and you missed out if you turned it off Octopi. I watched an octopus open a jar yesterday. Are you kidding me?

Kevin Palmieri

you know how smart those things are what a terrifying creature, though yeah, for sure you see that thing slinking through the water with its eight, its eight legs and tentacles. Then it opens up a jar. What are you? An alien from another planet, an underwater planet? It's wild. So alan wanted to do this. He's like kev let's just talk about octopi and space and stuff and I I was like, yeah, that's pretty cool. What is?

Alan Lazaros

I never said that?

Kevin Palmieri

No, you never said that. What is? What is the most profound awareness you have today that you did not have 1,900 episodes ago?

Alan Lazaros

That everything's kind of a paradox, oh boy.

Kevin Palmieri

I know I should have known.

Alan Lazaros

I'll give you a really good example, boy. I know I should have known. I'll give you a really good example, though Please.

Alan Lazaros

I used to think that work smart, not hard, was really dumb. I do. I think I actually do think it's dumb Because, to the last episode of Persistence working really smart you can't work smart until after you work hard. Working really smart you can't work smart until after you work hard. You, in the beginning of this, we had to work hard before we could work smart, because the distinctions and the innovations happen once. You already beat your head against the wall a bunch of times. So when kev came down three different times to fix the audio popping, we learned things that we wouldn't have learned if we weren't working hard.

Alan Lazaros

So I think you work hard. So I think you work hard, then you get smarter, then you work smarter, then you work harder at that new level, and I think that's what Next Level U is built on. However, paradoxically, because I think it's dumb, it's actually smart. For me, people who think work smart, not hard, typically statistically don't villainize me for this are lazier growing up. A lot of people work smart, not hard. Those people tend to not be as hard working as me statistically speaking. So therefore, because I don't like the saying, it's actually good for me because I already inherently work hard and I value hard work.

Kevin Palmieri

It's against your natural tendency.

Alan Lazaros

It's against my natural tendency. So, for example, the medicine that cures one patient will kill another. The advice that you give to Kev has to be different than the advice you give to me. The advice you need to give to me and to Emilia is listen, you guys need to prioritize R&R a little more so that you can sustain this insanity coming up on a thousand days of exercise. You can't say that to someone like Kev, who already prioritizes R&R. You could say it.

Alan Lazaros

I'm okay, I accept it, I accept that, but you don't need to work on that in my opinion.

Kevin Palmieri

Well, I mean. What's eight hours of R&R between friends? You know what I mean. What's eight hours of R&R between friends? You know what I?

Alan Lazaros

mean Well, you've told me in the past, I've never missed you're good at. R&r. I've traveled with you. You're good at it.

Alan Lazaros

I'm really good, okay, and that's okay. That's good, and you're also very disciplined too. So that's fascinating. But Everything's a paradox and every piece of advice that you want is most likely not as good for you, and unfortunately we all live in an echo chamber of what we want. So if you love affirming advice, what you need is listen, nope. If you love nope, you actually might need a little more affirming advice. Let me give you one more example.

Accepting who you are before improving yourself

Alan Lazaros

I always thought self-love was too fluffy, dude. What I really needed was self-love. I needed self-acceptance and self-love because we did an episode one time, kevin and I, on self-acceptance, then self-improvement. What I unconsciously did was okay, I don't like that about myself. Let me go try to change myself instead of what I now recommend, which is, accept who you are for who you are, and then grow and appreciate that and improve that. And so, of course, someone who thinks self-love is too fluffy is the one who actually needs it. You know, I used to want coaches and mentors. What I really needed was a therapist. You used to have a therapist and want a therapist. What you really needed was a coach and a mentor. You want to talk about the inner world. I want to talk about success. I needed to work on the inner world. You desperately, with love, needed to learn success.

Kevin Palmieri

Now, why don't you say you desperately needed to work on the inner world? You know what I mean I did Desperately needed to work on the inner world. Well, say it. You can say it with your words, with your words, you can say it.

Alan Lazaros

But no, yeah, that's true. Whenever Kevin is triggered, usually I'm in my comfort zone. Whenever I'm triggered, he's usually in his comfort zone. We'll go to get off a group coaching session and you'll be like Dude, I'm fine and I'll be super triggered and all red Like the last episode. That was super in my comfort zone. I remember what we talked about Persistence.

Kevin Palmieri

Drive Roadblocks yeah.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah for you. You were a little uncomfortable Because you don't want to be toxic I'm afraid of being toxic.

Kevin Palmieri

Yeah, yeah, I'm afraid. The thing for me is, I want to be the type of person that I needed, and the type I wouldn't have listened to. That that's. I wouldn't listen to somebody who's toxic. That that's, that's all I mean, but you would have.

Alan Lazaros

I think you would have listened to you. I don't think you would have listened to me which is ironic that's exactly my point is, I would have.

Kevin Palmieri

I would have challenged you to a physical duel, probably like look at this guy what you really needed was people, someone like me to guide you. Well, what if, hypothetically, paradoxically, transcontinentally, across the, across the continents? Even what you villainize is what you need the most? Yeah, unless it's something toxic, right, I villainize. There's a lot of things I villainize that I don't need more of, for sure.

Alan Lazaros

But if you Can, you give us an example of what you villainized when you were younger, that you actually needed. Or would have benefited you rather than boundaries.

Kevin Palmieri

I I villainize people who are, like, really set on. This is what I will accept and this is what I will not accept, because it was always like who the hell do you think you are? I mean, what do you?

Alan Lazaros

just some of those people aren't.

Kevin Palmieri

Weren't entitled, right well, I, I think with everything, it's going to be that way, because very easily I could say there's probably many humans in the world that villainize money and are struggling with money, but that doesn't mean everybody who has money is not worth villainizing. Yeah, you can't say just because Right.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah, there are many villains with money, but money isn't the villain. There are many villains with money, but money isn't the villain.

Kevin Palmieri

And there's many villains without money, absolutely there's, just as there's just as many villains.

Alan Lazaros

There's probably more. Maybe I don't know. I don't know. I can't say that I don't know.

Kevin Palmieri

There's just I feel comfortable saying there's just as many villains without money as there are with money, because probably more villains without money, because statistically more people have less money on the bell curve I.

Alan Lazaros

I don't want anyone to villainize me for that, but what I meant by that is if you're going off of a statistical average. So the average income in the us is 68 000 I looked it up recently because one of my clients just crossed it and that's actually globally very, very high. But the cost of living is more, so it's a whole thing. But ultimately, there's more people on the bottom. Okay, there's more actors and actresses that are not multimillionaires than there are. Right, right, right. So I didn't want to come off wrong on that.

Kevin Palmieri

No, no, I think that's a good explanation. Yeah, if you took a group of 100 people, how many of them? But just random people off the streets of the US, how many of them make more than a million dollars a year? Maybe one, maybe one, right? So, yeah, understandable. This is my thought. Now more than ever, I am of the firm belief that nothing external is going to fix internal voids, and here's why. The way I went on a podcast yesterday and they were like why did you decide to come on to this podcast? You're so successful in this? I said I'm not as successful as you think I am. I'm not, I'm not nearly. Whatever you, whatever level of success you think I have, you need to divide it by like 20, because it's not. It's not what you think it is.

Alan Lazaros

No one says that I love it, but I love it. Divide it by 10. Divide it by 10 the inverse 10 law whatever.

Kevin Palmieri

whatever you think of me, you Divide it by 10. Divide it by 10. It's the inverse 10 law. Whatever you think of me, you need to multiply it by about 100.

Alan Lazaros

You know what I mean? That's what it really is. Wait, you guys aren't paying me to be here.

Kevin Palmieri

I thought I was going to get a check for this. I can see how that would mess with you, though I can see how We've talked a lot and I don't know, this isn't like a medical diagnosis but we've talked a lot in the past about how some of the most successful people in the world unfortunately take their own lives. And you imagine from that perspective and say, if I was the lead singer of Linkin Park one of the most successful rock bands of all time, huge fan base, touring the world, world famous, everything you could ever want how could you ever even think of that? I don't know, because I've never been in that specific position, but I imagine what I would feel like if I had all the results that everybody thought they wanted and they also expected that I felt a certain way about myself when I didn't.

Kevin Palmieri

And then it's always this weird, this weird delta between the way people treat you and the way you think about yourself. And that it was again. I've never had a moment Like I'm not Chester Bennington RIP I'm not that level of anything Talented, successful, none of that, but it was. It was interesting when they said that You're so successful and you're this and you're this and it's like if you in that and then. But I'm always thinking I'm not nearly as successful as you think I am and my life is really hard in a good way privilege, pressure. But my life isn't what you think it is.

Alan Lazaros

So you said that external results do not fix internal voids. Yes, do you believe that solving internal voids can bring external success? Yeah, yeah, I. That's the way to do it Inside out versus outside, in 100%.

Kevin Palmieri

Yeah, 100%. I'm conscious enough to get off of that episode with them and not accept what they say of me to be facts. We have a client, john Lurito, great dude, very intelligent, great speaker, world class. He said something to me, yeah, one time he said Kev, the press has never what's going on. My legs just went up.

Alan Lazaros

What the hell's going on here, the press, the paparazzi's outside your window, the?

Kevin Palmieri

paparazzi. They're taking shots, they're firing off their photos. The press is never right. You're never as good as they say. You're never as bad as they say. You're usually somewhere in between.

Alan Lazaros

Hello, hello, hello. Nlu listener. Thank you, as always, for listening to Next Level University. Real quick. I just want to jump in and let you know about the Next Level Dreamliner. This is a journal that I use every single day. Achieve your dreams 90 days at a time. It breaks down your dreams into goals, milestones and daily habits. We hope you enjoy it.

Kevin Palmieri

The link will be in the show notes and I just think that imagine if I still had the level of very, very, very low self-worth and very, very, very low self-belief that I had at the beginning of this. And then I go talk to people who all say, kev, you're really good at this. Oh my goodness, you're smart, you're a great speaker. And then I get off and I have to figure out, like, why do I hate myself, though? Why does everybody love me and I hate me? Like what is myself, though? Why does everybody love me and I hate me? What is that about? Why I think that's when external results actually makes it worse. That is my thesis. And again, I'm not saying that that creates mental. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that's why some of the most successful people have mental health struggles. But I wonder if that's not a piece of it. That's my thesis or my. What I've noticed, what I've recognized over the years?

Alan Lazaros

How you feel about you, how you feel about yourself when you're by yourself, is a cool quote, but I think the principle is very fundamental. There were times in my past where I was really unfulfilled and I was like I tell the story about how I had a friend who said you're the most popular kid on this campus and I remember at the time thinking that was really cool. And in hindsight I realized that how I felt about myself when I was by myself matters more than that, and I think I always had a pretty good self-concept. So I don't think I was ever self, you know, self-hating or anything like that. However I'm, I feel way better about me now than back then and I have way less friends now. I mean, people loved me back then. I was fun, I was a lot of fun and I'm not quite as fun, I guess I still think you're fun well.

Alan Lazaros

Thank you, brother, you're welcome. I remember I said that one time you're like well, there's different types of fun, yeah, well that's how you know.

Kevin Palmieri

It's like yeah, exactly, yeah, you're in this pocket you're good looking.

Reflections on teamwork and gratitude for 1900 episodes.

Alan Lazaros

Well, there's different types of good looking. You know it's like hilarious, but anyways, the point is I, when you get to a place where you don't even care, like kev, you think I'm good looking or not, I don't really care, you're not my type, right? The point is is, I don't know if I care, because I feel about me, what I feel about me, yeah, and I'm in love and I'm right. So we all want to get to that place. So, because we don't have that much time and this is 1900, so congrats, awesome team, thank you so much. All that.

Alan Lazaros

I always say this you can't achieve anything great on your own. However and this is wild one person can make a great team, and so you can set the pace and you can set the standard, and so I give Kevin and I credit for some of this, but not all of it, and I think it's inaccurate to give all the credit away. We did nothing. It was all the team, not true? Okay, but it wasn't just us either. So thank you team, thank you community, thank you listeners. We've achieved another milestone of 1,900 episodes. We appreciate you being on this journey. I thanked Book Club earlier today. Thank you guys for being here. This is awesome. I learned so much from all of you and from these conversations, so thank you, thank you. Thank you, kev. What have you learned from 1,900 episodes?

Kevin Palmieri

Transcontinental breakthrough. That's what that was it. I told you that whole thing. I did that whole thing. That whole thing I went through there. That was my lesson. Okay, perfect, so mine is everything's paradoxical.

Alan Lazaros

Did you take anything away from mine?

Kevin Palmieri

at all.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah, yeah, yeah, ready, okay, Just want to make sure. I'm going to wrap it in a ball and try All right. The first one is Kevin's was external results will never fill internal voids. However, working on internal voids can bring external results.

Kevin Palmieri

Let me ask you, let me F you up with the truth real quick. What's up, man? This has been a point of contention. If you wanted, if what you wanted was what you needed, what's the order here? How do you say it normally, if what you?

Alan Lazaros

wanted was what you needed. What's the order here? How do you say it normally, If what you wanted?

Kevin Palmieri

was what you needed, you'd already have it. You could use it either way, though, right? Could you say, if what you needed was what you wanted, you'd already have it? Yep, okay, any reason?

Alan Lazaros

you chose to put it the way you put it. It sounds cooler. I think I took discrete mathematics way back in high school.

Alan Lazaros

Discrete mathematics is logic or versus, and logic One and one is one, but one or one is not. It's a whole thing. That was a terrible example. Discrete mathematics is awesome, Logic rationality awesome. However, if what you wanted was what you needed, you'd already have it, because you'd be looking for it rather than avoiding it. Maybe that's better. I still hate it. What Kevin needed was success, productivity, learning books. That's not what you wanted. You wanted video games and what else did I? Want Mary J Wanna. Oh, how dare you.

Kevin Palmieri

It's true though. Yeah, no, it's factual. Yeah, I'm not making you wrong for that.

Alan Lazaros

But yeah, no, it's a fact. What you needed was books. What you wanted was a little Mary Jane.

Kevin Palmieri

Well, I can read books about Mary Jane. You can, I jane. Well, why can't you have?

Alan Lazaros

I can read books about mary jane. Mary jane, you can. I don't know how much, which will get you somewhere, depending on what industry you're.

Kevin Palmieri

If you want to be, if you want to open your own dispensary, I would say that's the way to do it. But I don't think that's in the business plan for us no yeah, 1900, 1900 episodes for me. The next one's 2000. We get to 2000. I don't know. Maybe I'll get some fireworks and light them off in the studio or something, I don't know I'm super.

Kevin Palmieri

Apparently you're already doing that yeah, it seems that way, but I I second what alan said there. What I tell people all the time is there's so many people behind the scenes that you don't ever have the privilege of seeing. That make it possible for alan and I to be seen as much as we are, and I appreciate you all so very much. We have the best team. Best team in the world, heart-driven Core values, core beliefs, core aspirations. Best team in the world.

Alan Lazaros

Best it's ever been by far. Thank you all so much for coming on this magnificent journey with us. It is compounding and the impact we're having and how much we're learning together and individually is amazing. Even one of the team members reached out recently and just said it's such a privilege to not only produce these shows, conscious Couples and NLU but to learn from them.

Kevin Palmieri

I appreciate that very much. Same, I appreciate that very much. I'm not on Conscious Couples, but I appreciate it. About NLU is what I'll say it's solid.

Alan Lazaros

This is my question. I can't say it's better than NLU, but it is solid.

Kevin Palmieri

If you said that we'd have to duel?

Alan Lazaros

Of course not.

Kevin Palmieri

We'd have to duel, it's not NLU's the GOAT Now Podcast. Growth University is better than NLU, for sure.

Alan Lazaros

Hands down, not close, not close, no way.

Kevin Palmieri

If A close second, this would be my takeaway for all the amazing NLU family members. What is the number one thing you've learned over the last? Say seven years. I know we're coming up on eight, but we'll say seven because we're not there yet.

Alan Lazaros

We'll say eight.

Kevin Palmieri

What's the number one lesson you've learned in the last eight years? Because that's essentially what we're saying. For me, that's the number one lesson I've learned in the last eight years and that's what alan is saying. So if you choose to sit down and reflect on that, you can reach out to us let us know send it to us, send it you comment below on whatever platform on youtube. You can send it to us on social media.

Alan Lazaros

All that happy jazz and if it's something kevin said, you know, just keep it to yourself.

Kevin Palmieri

You can message me privately. You can message me that privately. Don't worry about that. If you have been with us for any length of time, I can't imagine a human who has consumed all 1,900 episodes. If so, I'm sorry for the first 1,300, probably At least the first 1,000. I'm sorry and you are a trooper If you have not yet subscribed, because we're not stopping this anytime soon 1900,. We're going to keep going. We're just going to keep going forever, until we can't do it anymore. So if you never want to miss an episode, make sure you're subscribed on whatever podcast platform you're listening on slash, watching on Maybe it's Spotify and if you're watching us on YouTube, make sure you are subscribed there so you never miss an opportunity to get to the next level.

Alan Lazaros

I had someone reach out earlier today and say I've been catching up on NLU lately and she said a bunch of stuff. So if anyone is out there and maybe you've listened to 100 episodes or 200 or 500, reach out to Kevin and I. We love, love, love meeting our listeners. Please reach out. If you don't know us, we want to know you and we really hope that you reach out. Instagram, facebook, linkedin, dms, email. Alan at nextleveluniversecom, kevin at nextleveluniversecom. Go to the website, reach out to any of the team members. This is a community Facts. We're grateful. Thanks. You can send a fax.

Kevin Palmieri

You can send a fax over, no faxes snail mail. Uh, you could send over a pigeon of sorts any, any kind of flying bird, really an owl who? Who? Emilia one time real quick. Yeah, okay, I should have stopped when I had a chance she said you know how they go, who who?

Alan Lazaros

she said I will, I will. And I was like, really, she's like no, that's not what they're saying. I fell for it, man, I'm gullible, that's a good one.

Kevin Palmieri

Yeah, it is Owl owl.

Alan Lazaros

She still says it we have owls all around us. It's nice, are you? You attract them in? No, it's just the. We live in a condo complex in the woods. It's gorgeous here. New England forests man. I'm telling you New England forests man. I'm telling you New England forests Real good, I was born and raised. People go leaf peeping up in New.

Kevin Palmieri

Hampshire for a reason. Yeah, I'm there, I'm there, I know it, I am it. That's what. I'm saying there's owls, owls, and only because it's Christmas coming very soon here and I'm jazzed about it. Home Alone 2, lost in New York.

Alan Lazaros

Better or worse than the first Home Alone I watched Home Alone 1 last year. I just need a simple answer no, no, no. But I haven't seen it in a long time, so I gotta do the second. My intuition tells me the second one's better.

Kevin Palmieri

I do think the second one. It's wildly unrealistic, but so isn't the second one's better. I do think the second one. It's wildly unrealistic, but so isn't the first one.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised with how awesome that film was. I enjoyed it a lot.

Kevin Palmieri

I'm pretty sure number one. That was a very low budget film. Yeah it was like $2 million or something, something wild, and it was not supposed to be nearly as successful as it was.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah, and Great movie, great movie.

Kevin Palmieri

All right cool.

Alan Lazaros

I'm watching the second one this year for sure. All right, maybe we'll watch it together. I'll show you the new home theater, the projector, maybe we'll watch it together.

Kevin Palmieri

I like saying that stuff publicly, because Alan will say no you know some people would just be like, yeah, man, we can talk about it. Alan would just say, no, we're not going to watch it together. I like putting him in that spot.

Alan Lazaros

I love you, brother. I love you too, man, I'll be down, I'm super excited.

Kevin Palmieri

I'll bring like everlasting gobstoppers and snow caps. I'll bring my Snuggie. It's going to be awesome, man, I'm so excited.

Alan Lazaros

You would love the home theater. Man, it's something.

Outro

Kevin Palmieri

And that's how you let someone down gently, right there, as always. We love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you. And at NLU we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow, talk to you soon. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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