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The Power Of The “And” (1904)

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In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan challenge the limits of “either/or” thinking and show how “The Power of And” can transform your perspective. Drawing from personal stories, they share how acknowledging dual truths can help you grow, improve relationships, and find balance in life. Learn insights on the pitfalls of polarizing content and the value of nuanced thinking in a complex world. This episode encourages reflection, honesty, and a commitment to becoming the best version of yourself.

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Show notes:
(2:03) Embracing duality
(5:19) Personal accountability
(8:12) Relationships, mental health, and the role of duality
(14:10) Circle of control Vs. Circle of concern
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(25:40) Harmonizing self-belief and humility in personal growth
(30:29) Continual improvement
(31:46) Outro

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Kevin Palmieri

But if I say today's episode, I feel like today's episodes went really really well and if I could do it differently. Or next time I will do differently. I'm going to bring this, I'll bring a more pressing story with more specifics or whatever. I'll make sure that I look at the clock, whatever it is. I just think it's very easy to get caught in the land of or when almost nothing is really set up that way.

Alan Lazaros

If you can't understand that self-belief and humility are both important for success, you are in trouble. You are. The sign of maturity and sophistication is your ability to hold two seemingly opposing ideas in your consciousness simultaneously. It's very, very important. Can you be abundant and scarce enough to get your shit?

Kevin Palmieri

done today. Welcome to next level university. I'm your host, kevin paul mary, and I'm your co-host, alan lazarus at nlu, we believe in a heart-driven but no bs approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life love health and wealth. We bring you a new episode every single day, on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. Today, for episode number 1,904, the Power of the. And I believe it's the genius of the and in Jim Collins' books. I do believe Jim Collins' books.

Embracing duality

Kevin Palmieri

I don't want to steal his exact thing, but this is from Jim Collins' books. I was thinking of this last night I was doing the dishes. Taryn's out of town had a little. I took a little gummy. I'll keep it a buck with you. Keep it a hundred. I took a little gummy before I did the dishes. Special gummy. They make doing the dishes so much better.

Alan Lazaros

Quick side tangent. Yeah, there's a movie called 50 First Dates. Yes, yeah, there's a movie called 50 first dates. Yes, I think it is pretty funny, also very cute. Okay, there's a scene where adam sandler's character says hey, if that's one of your special brownies, don't let the dolphins eat any of those. And he turns and he says, uh, he starts laughing. He says how do you think I get them to do double flippies and play with the white kids?

Alan Lazaros

and I thought that was a really funny scene a little movie, a little movie reference I also saw dolphins in south carolina this past week, so I was obviously they were on my mind, which goes back to the manifestation thing we talked about in the last episode.

Kevin Palmieri

If you haven't listened to it. Go check it out. Which is?

Alan Lazaros

I got dolphins on my mind, which goes back to the manifestation thing we talked about in the last episode If you haven't listened to it, go check it out which is I got dolphins on the mind because I got to see a dolphin 15 feet from me off the dock. Many of them, actually. Only one of them was 15 feet from me, but it was awesome.

Kevin Palmieri

I watched Knocked Up last night. Oh no, such a classic, it's a classic. I was dying, what do you?

Alan Lazaros

got. Oh no, such a classic, it's a classic, it's not I was dying laughing. What do you got? Earrings Moon rocks in there, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

I might watch Forgetting Sarah Marshall tonight.

Alan Lazaros

So Taryn's away for the weekend.

Kevin Palmieri

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Alan Lazaros

So we watched a little bit of Meet the Fockers. It's a good one. Oh, it's a classic man.

Kevin Palmieri

All right, let me get back on here. Yeah, let me get back on here. We can do a movie. Jeff and Jeff movie trivia We'll do another day. That'll be our sixth podcast that we do together.

Alan Lazaros

Every now and then we got to bring it in man.

Kevin Palmieri

That was relevant.

Alan Lazaros

I'm going to bring it in.

Kevin Palmieri

You had a gummy when I. So if you've heard this before, you've heard my journey, my marijuana journey. I used to smoke a ton of weed back in the day. Just I thought it was. I can be super productive and I still was. I think I was above average productivity, but not as productive as I thought I was for sure. Then I stopped all cannabis for years, however many years and I've been dabbling with edibles again, because I get two things One, I get very creative and two, I think about really weird stuff.

Personal accountability

Kevin Palmieri

That connects dots for me. I don't know how to explain it, but last night I was doing the dishes and I had this moment where I was thinking of you've heard me say this before. I value the way you end a relationship and it's always my goal where I want the. I would like to think that I could text anybody that I've been in a relationship with in the past and they'd have positive things to say about me. And and again, you can only influence that so much. But I was thinking last night of one person I dated where I know they didn't. They wouldn't have. It wouldn't be a positive outcome, it just wouldn't be and I I was thinking to myself the right person no, you don't know this person.

Kevin Palmieri

You don't know this person. No, that person would be positive. I could text that person right now, for sure.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah, it's been long enough Also. Yeah, also F you.

Kevin Palmieri

That person texted me and said, hey, I don't remember what they said, but the last sign off was also F you. It's like, ah, okay. But they texted me after that and said, hey, you look happy and so it was good. But after that and said, hey, you look happy and so it was good. Yeah, but the person I'm thinking of, for a long time I blamed it on circumstance. I blamed it on, yeah, I got super busy and then I was traveling, and then it was the holidays and it was lab, lab, lab. It was a bunch of a bunch of stuff.

Kevin Palmieri

Last night I had a moment where I said and you were also a coward, and that's that was where this episode came to me. The, the power of the and is you can excuse away something forever. You can say it's this or this, you can say this is the way I feel, but and negate what you just said, there's something about being able to have the duality of things on both sides. The truth is circumstantially, yes, there was a lot going on in my life and I also was a coward, and both of those things can live in the same scenario and it doesn't necessarily have to change the outcome, but I think it is something worth looking into. I shared a post yesterday.

Kevin Palmieri

I get a lot of people message me about this. One of the big podcasts had this guy on and he's a cowboy and he does some self-improvement stuff and he said a real man doesn't need therapy. A real man essentially it was a real man needs to tell the people around him the burdens that he's holding for them. And I was like that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life. That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life. I can't stand that. And I had a lot of people message me, and most of which were female, and then it was awesome. It was like the old days where I was just talking to people, I was just shooting off audio message. It was the best.

Alan Lazaros

This is when I got the audio yeah, this is when you get the audio and somebody messaged me and said they they were talking about that.

Kevin Palmieri

And they said what's your take? And I said my take is that what that person is trying to explain is they're trying to explain that you should be able to talk about the invisible work that you're doing in your relationship, in all relationships, with the understanding that the person that you're talking to about the invisible work should also have the permission to do the same. I think that's what he's trying to say. Where that connects to mental health, I think he's missing the piece. I really do. I really think he's missing the piece.

Relationships, mental health, and the role of duality

Kevin Palmieri

And then we then we were going deep.

Kevin Palmieri

I was talking to this person.

Kevin Palmieri

We were just shooting audios back and forth and I said I think what is being missed with this is there is a duality that this person is saying there's no and there's no and there is a duality that this person is saying there's no and there's no and yes, in an ideal world, you would have the courage and your partner would be welcoming of receiving the feedback that you feel like you're doing X amount of invisible work and you'd like that to be seen, and vice versa. Your partner would be able to sit you down and say hey, alan, I just want to share, vulnerably, that I feel like I'm doing a lot of things that are going under the radar, that are not being seen, commented on or appreciated, and I do think I might be building resentment. Okay, and there also are infinite things that have happened in your past that might be affecting you in a way that would be beneficial to talk to someone about it. I think those are two different silos. Yeah, 100%. So all of that is the reason I wanted to do this episode.

Alan Lazaros

Any conversation in the history of conversations that starts with a real man. You've got to be a little cautious of what comes after that.

Kevin Palmieri

Did you?

Alan Lazaros

know that a real man I also want to preface. Just shut off to anything I'm going to say.

Kevin Palmieri

I also want to preface Again we're podcasters. We've done a lot of episodes. This was one minute taken out of a two-hour conversation. Yeah, yeah, we've done a lot of episodes. This was one minute taken out of a two hour conversation. Contextually, I don't know what they were talking about before, I don't know what they were talking about after, but that is the clip that they chose to share well, a real man wouldn't worry about that. I'm not a real man.

Kevin Palmieri

At the end of the day, I'm not whatever you consider a real man but that's why I wanted to do this, because I think the content, that is, this is a fact. There is no flexibility within this.

Alan Lazaros

It's polarizing, it's polarizing and polarizing means you love it or you hate it, which is dramatized, is it?

Kevin Palmieri

gets dramatized and it gets attention regardless yeah, the sexy fundamental principles don't get as much attention, and I think that is the, the genius or, in this case, the power of the end, because things can exist in the same universe, every. It doesn't mean just because you feel like it's one answer doesn't mean there isn't another side of the coin. There's always two sides of the coin. And just because maybe you're not ready to look at it yet, for a long time I thought it was all circumstance. It was either I wasn't brave enough or the circumstances just happened, and this is the way it went. What's your truth now? Both Circumstantially, things were happening and I was a coward. And then it got to the place where it seemed like too much time had passed for me to talk to this person, and then that was it.

Alan Lazaros

So, yeah, both. If I was Kev's coach this is so interesting you are technically, in some ways I would say, mentor, coach, whatever label you want to give it, butthead I would focus on the thing that you can control. So I would do you ever, kev? I'm going to bring everyone behind the scenes for a second. Sometimes kev says to me things along the lines of it it at you act as if everything is within everyone's control. Because I'm so big on personal responsibility. No, it's the things outside of control don't need, there's nothing you can do about it. So there's no, there's no utility in that. Look, okay, kev, that relationship you're thinking of hypothetical. Okay, let's say her name is jane. All right, that's not the real name, I'm just using john, john Doe and Jane.

Kevin Palmieri

Doe. Okay, you call me If you were going to make up names. I'd like to be Tarzan, please. Thank you, okay, all right.

Alan Lazaros

The female you dated is Tarzan.

Kevin Palmieri

No, no, I'm Tarzan. All right, you're Tarzan, they're Jane. Okay it's my. It's my story too. I'm involved in it. I can do whatever I want, and all right so tarzan and jane, we've gone off script.

Alan Lazaros

There is no script. Tarzan and jane real quick, here we go, here we go, we're back, we're pulling it back and rain it in, rain it in. Tarzan and jane have a relationship. Tarzan used to believe that it was all circumstance, there's nothing he could do about it. Tarzan now believes that he was a coward and that if he wasn't a coward, circumstances might have been different.

Alan Lazaros

True, yes and no yes and no, yeah, see, there's the end again and yes and no and if anyone out there watching or listening is certainty driven unconsciously, which all humans are, you're not going to like all of the uncertainty of yes and no. See there's. There's an absolute thing. Everything's a spectrum. The point that I was really trying to help land is, if I was Kevin's coach, I would only talk about you being a coward. I wouldn't talk about the circumstances at all. The circumstances are only relevant to the extent that you can impact them. There's a circle of concern there's. One of the things that I'll share is this past week I was traveling family, all this stuff.

Alan Lazaros

One of the things that was alarming to me and I will say this publicly is how much you we all have these circles of concern. So a circle of concern. Everyone picture a circle drawn and there's three layers. The outer layer is what you have no influence and no control over. The next layer in is what you have influence over but you can't control. So Kevin would be a good example of that. I can influence Kevin but I cannot control him. I don't own him. All right, the inner layer is what I can control.

Alan Lazaros

I try really hard in my coaching to get people to focus on only what they can control and influence, and I try really hard not to talk about things and concern myself with things that are completely outside of my circle of concern and circle of influence, Because if everyone out there watching or listening were to focus their attention on what they can control and what they can influence aka what you can actually do something about you would immediately take more control and therefore captain your own life better, and if you did that, you'd inspire others to do the same and the whole world would become a better place. But this past week, when I was with friends and family and travel and all this stuff, I overheard a lot of conversations and I remember thinking to myself wow, they're really concerning themselves with a lot of things that have no relevance to their actual life, and I try really hard not to do that. And so, bringing this back to the genius of the and the power of the and the point of the and everything's a spectrum, Is Kevin humble? Yes, and no. Yes more than most. No compared to his potential. He can always be more humble.

Alan Lazaros

Does Kevin believe in himself? Yes, compared to the statistical norm, but no compared to what he could. You see how everything is an and everything is a spectrum you just said but in the second one you, son of a bitch.

Alan Lazaros

Sorry, the zero to 10, that's why we use zero to 10 on everything. Is Kevin wealthy? Yes, compared to someone who is not no, compared to Bill Gates. It's a spectrum. If bill gates is a 10, which he is in wealth, only in wealth, then kevin would be a two. If the statistical norm, yeah, you'd be a 0.00 right but the point is, everything's a spectrum.

Alan Lazaros

But here's the problem when you think in spectrums, dude, everything becomes more complex and it's a lot more challenging to move forward. And so that's where we get into cognitive capabilities. And if you look at cognitive development seven-year-olds, eight-year-olds, nine-year-olds, 10-years-old they can't handle that much complexity, so they have to blanket statement things. And so the more sophisticated you become in your cognitive intellect, the more you can actually handle of complexity and the more you can understand the world. And the best metaphor for this is apparently and I don't know if this is true but inuits in alaska. They have 12 different distinctions for types of snow. Kevin, and I don't why, because we don't use snow. If we were to watch martial arts, kevin and I, he's going to have all the distinctions. He's going to know what holds and what grabs and what that punch is. I'm not going to know anything why I don't care just don't care.

Alan Lazaros

Once I start studying martial arts, I'm going to care more and I'm going to know more. I'm going to have more distinctions. I remember last piece. Kevin sat me down one time, sat me down, we were in the studio and he said how do you know all this? And I said to him I had to know all this it I, these distinctions, these breakthroughs, these understandings that I have, brother, I had to know them in order to make good decisions, to get to where we are. I didn't just just to our last episode to connect this fully, or maybe it was earlier this episode, I'm not sure. But if you want to be a successful martial artist and you don't have any distinctions about the martial arts, you're not going to. You can't want to be a professional football player and then not study football. You can't want to. Kevin's like well, you can, you, just you won't succeed. Well, that's a distinction, right there.

Kevin Palmieri

Exactly. You can not want to do the work and want the result. You just most likely don't get it there you go, yeah, you can't want the result.

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Alan Lazaros

You just most likely don't get it. There you go yeah, you can't want the result and get the result and not want the work. A lot of ands, nlu, listener, what is happening? I just wanted to jump in here and let you know if you want to get to the next level faster. We have a free virtual monthly meetup at the first Thursdayursday of every month. You can connect with like-minded people and become a bigger part of this amazing global community. The link to register will be in the show notes. I, if you've ever taken discrete mathematics or logic or rationality, there's yes, I did.

Kevin Palmieri

They have that at yale, right? I believe that's one of the classes I went through when I was at Yale.

Alan Lazaros

That was one of them yeah.

Alan Lazaros

Sounds familiar. Oh, my goodness and Alan are more powerful than Alan or Kevin and I just I really hope that everyone can start thinking in the and because there are some places where but is appropriate. But if you can't think in duality, if you can't understand that self-belief and humility are both important for success, you are in trouble. You are the sign of maturity and sophistication is your ability to hold two seemingly opposing ideas in your consciousness simultaneously. It's very, very important. Can you be abundant and scarce enough to get your shit done today? Can you be spiritually connected and wildly disciplined and gritty? Can you have tons of self-belief and the humility to say I kind of suck. Still, you really need both. And dude, you and I I don't think we had both when we first started, nearly compared to what we do now, and because we weren't as sophisticated in this.

Kevin Palmieri

I would agree. I would agree. When I tell my story, I talk about how one of the things that set off my rock bottom was my partner left me and I always say and that's exactly what she should have done. And people say, wow, that's really mature, how'd you get there? And I said I wasn't there back then. That took years of. Back then I was like she's crazy. And here's the thing and crazy, you know, throw that term around, throw that term around she was inaccurate with some of the stuff that she believed and she made the right choice.

Kevin Palmieri

Those can be the same. Those can be the same, just like, statistically speaking, I was a good partner and I was less good than I was in the beginning, just in terms of what I was able to give. That I think it just to Alan's point. I think it gives you room for growth and room for opportunity. If I say today's episode went amazing, there's nothing I could do to change it, then that's it. Then this is done and there's no growth and this ends. This part is done. This doesn't connect to the rest of my life, but if I say today's episode, I feel like today's episodes went really, really well. And if I could do it differently. Or next time I will do differently. I'm going to bring this, I'll bring a more pressing story in with more specifics or whatever. I'll make sure that I look at the clock more.

Kevin Palmieri

Whatever it is, I just think it's very easy to get caught in the land of, or when almost nothing is really set up that way. It's just. If anybody ever comes to you and says I have the answer, I don't believe them. I don't believe you have the answer. I don't think there is just one answer. I just I don't think it works that. I think there are too many moving pieces. If, if we're at a restaurant and there's five menu items and you say I believe I have for you, I believe I have the answer for what you're going to like the most. Cool, right, awesome, but that's because there's only five options. There's only five options. There's, there's limited there. It's just there's not that many things to get wrong, there's not that many choices. How many choices are there in life? An infinite amount, infinite, and that's. That's a lot.

Alan Lazaros

And that's overwhelming.

Kevin Palmieri

It's more than a million. You know what I?

Alan Lazaros

mean In the book the Art of Thinking clearly that we're reading in book club. It talks about how overwhelmed people are. I looked it up earlier.

Kevin Palmieri

I googled this. Wait, let me give it a guess. Let me give it a guess before you give me the stat.

Alan Lazaros

What is it? The percentage of human beings on planet Earth who have been diagnosed with depression?

Kevin Palmieri

Ah shit, the percentage of human beings on planet Earth that have been diagnosed with depression.

Alan Lazaros

You've got to think right off the bat, Just from a Google research. Again I didn't go much deeper than the AI curation. I'm going to say probably 10% don't even have access. My google research again I didn't go much deeper than the ai curation okay percent.

Kevin Palmieri

I'm gonna say probably 10. Don't even have access to get a medical diagnosis. I'm gonna say shit.

Alan Lazaros

I'm gonna either look really good or really bad whatever man, the goal is to be accurate, not to look good I'm gonna say it's 25 whoa.

Alan Lazaros

Oh, my goodness, it's 29. Dude I was. I can't believe it's that high 29. That's wildly high. I also looked this up and again. I looked it up in the us because I'm in the us, not because everything's about the us. I don't want kevin and I to fall into that category of the US thinking everything's about us. Only 37.7% of the United States population, which is 340 million people, has any higher education. That was fascinating for me. Yeah, I thought it'd be higher than that, for sure.

Alan Lazaros

And then the other piece of this too, just a total random side, tangent Gladiator 2 came out. I watched it. Kevin asked me how I think it is. I thought it was great, but he also anchored me, saying it might not be good. So maybe he anchored me low. I thought it was freaking awesome, loved it, highly recommend. That said, I looked up the Roman Empire and how large it was at its peak 1.9 million square miles and I looked that up in comparison to the largest countries on Earth. The largest country on Earth is Russia. The next largest, I believe, is Canada, actually in terms of geography square miles, and then the US, I think, is fourth. But again, I know Russia is very cold, canada obviously very cold. Anyways, just fascinating stats.

Alan Lazaros

One, one of the reasons why I brought this in to bring this back to the end. It's almost like if you want to make an effective choice for your life, you want to I'm using captain your own life a lot. I was on a boat this week, so everything's boats and water. Now. If you want to captain your own life a lot, I was on a boat this week, so everything's boats and water. Now. If you want to captain your own life let's say the wind is blowing in the wrong direction. Let's say circumstances suck. Let's say it's choppy. You have to understand the ocean, understand your boat, contextualize where you currently are and contextualize where you actually want to go. And then you have to have someone with the skills who actually knows how to sail and or drive a boat. And then you have to hope that you don't die on the rocks or whatever. And even if you do, you have to find a way to survive on the island long enough to be rescued or whatever. The point is is life is really alarmingly difficult.

Alan Lazaros

I understand now why people don't achieve their dreams. I really do. It's not easy. You basically have to design everything If you really want to achieve your goals and dreams, you either have to roll the dice and hope for the best and play the lottery, or you have to have very clear goals.

Alan Lazaros

You have to understand yourself. You have to understand other people. You have to understand the world. You have to understand your industry. You have to understand business.

Alan Lazaros

You have to understand, you have to understand all of the things and and make a choice, knowing that you're wrong. Everything has a percent error. If I say kevin is in shape, with what percent error? And compared to what? Everything's relative. Compared to you, son, compared to arnold schwarzenegger and his prime, kevin isn't even remotely in shape. Compared to the statistical average american male, he's in great shape. So it all depends on what you're comparing to, it all depends on context, and so all of us have to figure out how to learn, how to think as accurately as possible and still make a choice even when we can't. And because if you stay on the fence just just with analysis, paralysis, you never move forward, you never learn. So you're really good at taking action even when you know very little. That was one of the things that was really good for you and me working together is Kev would take action even knowing almost nothing. With love, I would know everything and still not take action.

Alan Lazaros

It's really important to drive to five and figure out what's your weakness and to bring it back to self-improvement, holistic self-improvement, health, wealth, life and love. Dream chasers. If you want to be healthy, wealthy and in love which you do otherwise you wouldn't be listening to this you're going to have to figure out which end of this spectrum you're on and get closer to five. Is it self-belief or is it humility? I needed, needed self-belief. Okay, drive to five. Is it I'm goal oriented, but I don't know my core values? That was me. Or is it kev? Knows his core values but doesn't have any goals? Is it strategy or is it go with the flow? And you need both, and so no wonder why our podcast doesn't go viral. Everything is a spectrum and everything is in the middle.

Alan Lazaros

I think because we're trying to help people really succeed in the real world, not not try to say something like what that cowboy or whatever said, to try to go viral because that that went viral.

Kevin Palmieri

I'm assuming, I don't know. Yeah, probably.

Alan Lazaros

Well, it's a, it's a massive podcast, so it's like yeah, it has much more likelihood of going viral than kevin and I explaining the full spectrum.

Kevin Palmieri

I also had a really interesting, a really interesting again, I've known this, but it was like oh, my gosh, my goodness, it makes so much sense. The reason, ooh, layers. The only what many people do is in order to stay relevant. They find other things that are becoming more relevant than they are and then they hop on the train. That's why you see a lot of podcasts that have like weird guests on why the hell you have this person on. Well, they have an audience, they. They have momentum. So now it's no longer about who has the best ideas. It's about who has the most momentum, and oftentimes the people with the most momentum actually have the best ideas. It's about who has the most momentum, and oftentimes the people with the most momentum actually have the worst ideas.

Kevin Palmieri

Agreed, there is a guy named dave asprey, allegedly oh, this is alleged, of course. No, this isn't. This is factual he. He said something along the lines of you should not lift weights. Every, every exercise you do should be done with resistance bands, and it's like his audience is massive. He says some of the dumbest shit you will ever hear and his audience is massive, but it's. He gets on stages and he gets big shows, and he does all this stuff because he has relevance. And he does all this stuff because he has relevance it is. I mean, most of what he says is just factually measurably inaccurate Scientifically.

Kevin Palmieri

They've done studies on this. Yeah, resistance is great. Yeah, go use some resistance bands. The people who have the most muscle on the planet lift weights. How many times out of?

Alan Lazaros

10? How many times out of 10? What the most muscular muscle on the planet?

Kevin Palmieri

lift weights, and that's how many times out of 10? How many?

Alan Lazaros

times out of 10 what the most muscular people on the planet lifting weights. How many times?

Kevin Palmieri

9.9. No, every time.

Alan Lazaros

Well, there's some people out there that do calisthenics. They don't have the most muscle mass on the planet.

Kevin Palmieri

Yeah, but like if we again this is and Okay, they're very well muscled.

Alan Lazaros

It's not a principle.

Kevin Palmieri

I remember one time it's like we do have to go here shortly, I know Quickly.

Continual improvement

Alan Lazaros

Okay, I always use gravity Engineer. I'm an engineer. 9.8 meters per second squared, despite Kevin's opinion. How many times? Every time? 10 out of 10, evidently Every time. Yeah, 10 out of 10, evidently Every time. Yeah, there's principles that apply no matter what, and then you have to contextualize them into your own experience, and that's what Kevin and I are trying to help people with, and that's what we're trying to do as well, by the way. I mean, I'm not. As more evolved and mature we become, the less preachy we become.

Kevin Palmieri

I feel I don't know. I get nervous sometimes. Look I don. I know I have a lot of answers to some things, but I know that I don't know anything. But I know I know more than I ever have.

Alan Lazaros

And I know I know nothing compared to what there is to know, and I know I know more than I ever have.

Kevin Palmieri

Yeah, it's a weird thing it is. It's a weird thing, but I just want to get better.

Alan Lazaros

Same, I just want to get better. Same, just want to get better.

Kevin Palmieri

I know I have to go.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah, you do have to go, Alright we're going to get out of here.

Kevin Palmieri

Next, Love Nation. Make sure you are subscribed on whatever podcast platform you are watching or listening, or I think those are the only two ways you can really consume our content currently. Maybe in the future we will be virtual reality in your headsets. Can you please stop that's my laptop. Oh, you turned it on. It's a gaming laptop. Alan and I will be in your living rooms. Alan can be. If you want alan to be in a separate room, he can. You and I.

Alan Lazaros

Eventually you'll be able to smell us through the microphone that's a dangerous game.

Kevin Palmieri

I've been using natural deodorant.

Alan Lazaros

Lately same let me tell you by natural, you mean none, no, no, I've been using natural deodorant. I've been using none. I look, I respect it, except on travel days.

Outro

Kevin Palmieri

Yeah, stay away from me. But I've been using natty deodorant and it doesn't work. Go figure, it doesn't work nearly as well yeah, but it's all good, all right, as always. We love you, we appreciate you. Grateful for each and every one of you at nlu. We don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow, talk to you soon. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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