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The Intersection Of Experience And Knowledge (1959)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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Can small actions today lead to massive change tomorrow? In today’s episode, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros unpack the value of experience and why it often outweighs knowledge alone. In this engaging episode, they share personal stories, practical tips, and the undeniable power of consistent growth. Whether you want to improve your career, fitness, or personal development, this conversation will inspire you to take that first step and keep going.

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Show notes:
(2:34) Knowledge + Experience + Reflection = Wisdom
(8:28) Returning to the alma mater: Lessons learned
(17:44) Convincing your younger self to believe in growth
(23:15) Meet like-minded people and jumpstart your journey to achieving your dreams while optimizing your life. Join Next Level Group Coaching.
(26:03)

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Kevin Palmieri

I think that's the thing is you can't really teach the benefits of experience, like there are some things that have to be learned through action. I was on with somebody the other day and they said what am I missing? And I said you need to go on as many podcasts as humanly possible. Not because of listens, none of that Because you're going to realize one you're way better than you think. Two you're also way worse than you think, but you don't know that yet. It's going to be extremely humbling, it's going to help yourself, worth a ton and it's going to change the way you look at yourself.

Alan Lazaros

Now, there's no way to be certain. That's the problem. Isn't that the paradox? If you were certain that you could achieve all your goals and dreams and all you had to do was get a little bit smarter each day, a little bit stronger each day, a little bit more self-aware each day, a little bit more vulnerable each day, a little bit more courageous each day. I believe that that, kevin. If I could somehow convince him of that, then I think he would do it, and I think he'd say fuck yeah, sign me up.

Kevin Palmieri

Welcome to Next Level University. I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri.

Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

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Alan Lazaros

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Knowledge + Experience + Reflection = Wisdom

Kevin Palmieri

Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation, welcome back to another episode of Next Level University where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. Today, for episode number 1,959, it feels like we are just I don't know, are we ever going to get to 2,000? The intersection of experience and knowledge and knowledge. Alan and I once had a debate and I said knowledge, brother, is not power, it is merely potential. And Alan didn't like that, I think. Eventually he came around, maybe to seeing my perspective from a different perspective of perspectives. Honestly, that's not really at all what we're talking about today, but that's all I had from a knowledge and experience perspective. The floor is yours, sir. Great opening man. Thank you so much.

Alan Lazaros

I believe In a thing called love. Just listen to the rhythm of my heart. I believe in a thing called love.

Kevin Palmieri

Just listen to the rhythm of my heart. I believe in a thing called love Cool, I don't. I didn't have like any cough medicine or anything. I don't know why I'm freaking out. I like Friday night recordings.

Alan Lazaros

I do. It's Friday night, which is Saturday, for no Sunday.

Kevin Palmieri

Sunday for you. Yeah, you're in the future. Happy Sunday everybody. What's happening? Alright?

Alan Lazaros

so I've come to believe Currently, which is Saturday for no Sunday. Sunday for you, yeah, you're in the future. Happy Sunday everybody. Happy Sunday, all right. So I've come to believe currently, in my current state of awareness Allen, version 3.6, that God, I'm so weird that knowledge plus experience plus reflection equals wisdom. I've been referencing, obviously, as I do, we reference our experiences. I had an experience last night where I gave a training to a group of WPI students Now WPI. I was there, I graduated, Excuse me, wow.

Kevin Palmieri

Why did you lock it up?

Alan Lazaros

I graduated from there 13 years ago, so I got my bachelor's in 2012, and I got my master's in 2013, beginning of 2013,. From that school and going back was a trip for me, and during this training I opened up. And during this training I opened up. I said I know that this might come off as potentially arrogant, but I want to be vulnerable and honest with all of you. This, what I'm going to present for the next hour, ended up only being less than 40 minutes. I had tons of slides, I had five points. I thought it was going to take an hour and a half, so I was hammering through it.

Alan Lazaros

Interesting I was done in like 35 minutes. That was q a. Yeah, panic, did you panic move? What do you mean?

Kevin Palmieri

like ask the kids to do push-ups, like no, I mean not nothing, nothing quite as panicky, but did you have a moment where you're like, oh shit, yeah, definitely q a time? Yeah, you know, I was really. I could really sense the enthusiasm and interest, so I really wanted to buzz through the Presentation so we had enough time to make sure we got to everybody's questions. So here we are, 12 minutes in let's go.

Alan Lazaros

If I could go back, I would have workshopped it more and I would have taken five minutes in between. I thought I was gonna go over, though. Anyways, it's a little behind the scenes, with kevin and I behind the scenes. Whenever you're speaking or training, it's hard to tell whether or not it's resonating, and I always said there's one diehard that I can always tell is like you are the person who loves this and yeah, I think you're really enjoying me as a trainer as well, and so I just kept honing in, honing in, honing in, and some of the other kids. They all kept us for 45 extra minutes after. I was very grateful. I mean, we took pictures.

Alan Lazaros

It was awesome, but for all I knew, during the actual training I didn't know whether or not it was resonating, and you know the feeling. Of course, yeah, or it's. Is this landing? I'm not sure turns out because I was asking them. I said, for all I knew, none of this was landing, based on you guys' faces, guys and girls and they said no, it was. I was contemplating, got it. So knowledge plus reflection, knowledge plus experience plus reflection equals wisdom.

Alan Lazaros

Okay, yeah, here we go, here we go. Remarkable, I got Terrence remarkable. Nice yeah, yep, yeah, that thing's great. So kev said to me all those years ago knowledge is not power, it's only potential power and I said but if you have knowledge and then the knowledge of the value of that knowledge, then you will actually use it I don't know if I agree with that anymore.

Kevin Palmieri

can I tell a story real quick? Yeah, I'm gonna take us off the rails. First speech alan and I ever gave it was at the confident women's consortium and I think it was this one and Alan was like dude I'm going to. There's this Les Brown quote. It's kind of like a song, like a poem. He's like I'm going to do it and I was like do you have it written somewhere? He's like no man, I memorized it and I didn't know it well enough to know. But later that night he's like dude, I missed the entire middle.

Kevin Palmieri

I was like I missed the entire middle, but I did the first and the third. That was one thought. The other thought I had this was what are those thoughts? Intrusive thought? Imagine if so you said. You can't really tell whether it's resonating or not. Imagine if I have been lying to you for the last eight years and we have never released one of these episodes publicly, and it was literally just me and you, me and you talking, and nobody has ever heard what we said. How pissed off would you be?

Alan Lazaros

I was thinking that like what an elaborate ruse that would be brother, first of all, that was useless and thank you for wasting all of our time. Number two most of my clients will listen to the show and then talk to me about the show.

Kevin Palmieri

They're paid. They're paid off. They're paid, yeah, they're paying us. I'm sending them that money right back. You know it, man, that makes sense.

Alan Lazaros

Just imagine that, though.

Kevin Palmieri

That would be a really good plot for a movie.

Returning to the alma mater: Lessons learned

Alan Lazaros

I'm onto something with that the most boring movie of all time. So the reason we're doing this episode originally seriously is because I went back to my old stomping grounds. I haven't been there in many years. Your alma mater, my, my alma mater mater. I think it's a lma space, m-a-t-e-r. I'm not certain alma mater. I looked it up because it makes no sense and no one pronounces it right.

Alan Lazaros

It's got to be Greek and I needed to see if it actually meant what I thought it meant. Alma mater yeah, go ahead, we're about to find out. We're about to learn some stuff.

Kevin Palmieri

Alma.

Alan Lazaros

And Emilia was with me and I was excited to have her see the campus. It's a beautiful campus and that's where my dorm was. They have a new building there Innovation and Entrepreneurship Building. I think it's called the Innovation Center. It's beautiful, brand new. I had never been in it before. Obviously, it didn't exist when I was there. But the point of this episode was when you go back. In this case, the campus did change, but my understanding of being a student is different and I tried to explain this to kev off offline, off air. He said well, what, what did you learn, kev? We're in, we're in good spirits today, aren't we welcome?

Kevin Palmieri

Welcome to Friday night. It's just I can't be offline. That's how we talk online Kev.

Alan Lazaros

Your eyes are so closed right now Also real quick.

Kevin Palmieri

A-l-m-a-m-a-t-e-r. Alma mater Is it all.

Alan Lazaros

One word or two words? No two words, two words, yeah, alma mater.

Kevin Palmieri

Okay. So I words. No two words, two words, yeah, alma mater. Okay. So I was at my alma mater because I'm in a good mood.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah, we're having fun. We're having fun and we're also wasting everyone's time, so let me get through this my apologies yeah, it's sunday for them. It might be friday night for us, but they're trying to have a good day here.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah, yeah, all right, so off air. I was talking to kev and he said what did you learn from last night? I said I was walking through these buildings and in college everybody's studying late at night. They've got snacks, they're doing their thing and there there's all these tables and people are sitting there on their computers. And he said well, what? What was different? It's like back then. I was a student and I was a part of it and I understood kind of how it worked, but I didn't fully.

Alan Lazaros

And now I'm going back and I've met much of the faculty. I've spoken there many times in the last 13 years. But now, going back, every time I go back, I realize I understand more and more and more of how this place works, why it is here, what the difference in this and other colleges is, how many colleges there are in the US 5,200. I just understand more now. I've traveled more, I've experienced more.

Alan Lazaros

I remember back then when I was in college, there's 12 fraternities. I don't know how many there are now, but I didn't understand what women really wanted. I didn't understand what they were really looking for. I didn't understand triggers and traumas and trauma responses. I didn't understand the school and the president and how it worked, and the faculty and the professors and how they do research. I didn't understand it all. Going back from the outside in, I understand how it works and I know how arrogant that might come off, but I do. I understand how the whole school works within reason again compared to then and from the inside out. I was a part of it and this time now I'm from the outside in and I'm I'm seeing myself as a student in comparison to these other students for the first time. And so it's like when you watch a movie when you're a kid and you watch it again as an adult and now you understand it at a deeper level. It's like that, but much more powerful.

Kevin Palmieri

What is the lesson for anybody watching or listening. I'm not wrapping it up, I just yeah, I want to dig.

Alan Lazaros

It's what you sent me a clip of earlier. There's a clip on Kevin's Instagram story right now. It won't be there by the time you listen to this. So this is shaping up to be a great episode, but in the clip he said something that I thought was really powerful, and do you?

Kevin Palmieri

remember what the question was, that the podcaster asked you what is the number one best advice you ever gotten?

Alan Lazaros

okay.

Kevin Palmieri

And then you said hammer I said uh, alan, alan, I didn't say it in the first, in the first part, I said in the second I said one big thing starts small two, essentially with compounding. It's really wild what is possible. And the host said can you expand on that? And I said yeah, it's really about getting a little bit better. It's not today you're a 5 and then tomorrow you're a 20. It's today you're a 1 and then tomorrow you're like a 1.001. And the next day it's a little bit more. And it's a little bit more and it's a little bit more. And I said so just as an example if you want to read 10 pages, just read 11. You don't have to read the whole freaking book, just read 11. Do one more page than you wanted to do and over five years nothing happens. Really you don't really see much over five years. But now that we're eight years in, things are really. It's really starting to make sense. I think it's.

Alan Lazaros

How did you trust it before?

Kevin Palmieri

I had nothing else to listen to.

Alan Lazaros

When you Ask me the question of what's the lesson, for anyone listening, it's that it's the aggregation of marginal gains, it's the compound effect, it's the snowball effect, it's insert whatever you want as the label of this the flywheel. There's a bunch of different ways to articulate the same principle, which is the eighth wonder of the world compound interest. Einstein said that compounding is the eighth wonder of the world. It's that it's 1% of 1% better, which is 1 100th better every day. No, no, it's actually 1 1000th. 1% of 1% is 1 1000th.

Alan Lazaros

So when you get a workout so I'm going to go work out after this, I got to record after this, but then after that, my goal going into the gym genuinely I actually am thinking of this is okay, it's push day. I need to get 1% better. I have to lift 1% more weight than last time. Now there's a bunch of ways to do that. You could do volume, because it's workouts, exercises within that workout. Then it's number of reps within each exercise and then it's the amount of weight on the bar. Total volume is the stat. I need more total volume in the same 45 minute span. And that's kevin and I playfully behind the scenes. We're competitive with this and he is stronger than me, but I think I can get higher total volume and in less time kev. I'm certain I could 45 minutes Kev's doing. I would love to see the calculations you're doing in your brain right now.

Alan Lazaros

Figure I like I would just do you get around the numbers.

Kevin Palmieri

I would just do 90 pound dumbbells for sets of 15 the whole time there's no way.

Alan Lazaros

That would be a terrible idea because you'd burn yourself out too quickly. No, I'd do it for 45 minutes, you can't do that for 45 minutes, of course I can. 90-pound, yeah, can you imagine Just pumping?

Kevin Palmieri

it away.

Alan Lazaros

Pumping 90-pound dumbbells.

Kevin Palmieri

I could do 15, 15. Okay, pumping 90 pound, I could do 15, 15. Okay, 90 for 10. I would do 75 for 15, Every Every 3 minutes, 15 times.

Alan Lazaros

Alright, if there's any listener out there who wants to come to the gym with Kevin and I. Oh no, don't, we need 2 listeners. One person logs Kevin's workout. One person logs my workout Weight times, reps, times, sets, times, exercises which obviously, yeah, let's say I would win. That's all I'm saying. I'm kidding. I do think I, I would, mathematically, but I don't care genuinely and no, we're not gonna do that. My point of this whole thing, and by the way I gotta tell a quick story side tangent.

Alan Lazaros

It's friday night, we're getting weird. Okay, I've told you this before and I'm not even sure if it's true, but it's hilarious.

Kevin Palmieri

Hey, never let the truth get in the way of a good story, as they say.

Alan Lazaros

Some people take that too probably is true, but I remember when I heard it I was I want to say I was 22 or something. There's you've. I've told you this before because we're thinking of the gym, and this is what I thought of when you said you, I would just do 90s the whole 45 minutes. Dude, you'd be gassed after five without a break 90s for bench.

Kevin Palmieri

Well, not, not nice. I dropped that down to 75s to make it work. Still, that's not workable.

Alan Lazaros

75 is a warm-up. You can't do that for 45 minutes with not 45 the whole time.

Kevin Palmieri

I'm not gonna do it just like a oh you're, are you gonna do the? Are you gonna do the? Yeah, yeah, yeah all right.

Alan Lazaros

So there's this lizard I don't know the name of it, I just heard the story and I just think it's funny and then we'll get back to valuable content. But there's this lizard that, in order to attract a mate, the male lizard does push-ups to attract a female lizard, and apparently the researchers injected the lizard with testosterone and the lizard did push-ups till he died that is a high.

Kevin Palmieri

That is a high school student somewhere probably right, but anyways.

Alan Lazaros

so the point of my whole, that whole useless amount of information, was the law of compounding. When you ask me what's the the lesson, going back to my old stomping grounds for lack of better phrasing is I just, I was smart, I, I, I learned a lot, I, for a 20 year old, I was definitely on the higher end of statistically intelligent compared to me. Now I didn't know shit. I have a question.

Kevin Palmieri

Talk to me. I have a question, okay, really. I have a question. Okay, really, dig on this. Don't give me the first thing that pops in. Pinball it a little bit and really think about it. Can you understand? Imagine hard to believe because, again, this didn't happen, but imagine I was in the crowd how old are these students?

Alan Lazaros

18?, 18, 19, 20. And there's one 30 year old shout out.

Kevin Palmieri

Shout out to you you're this person didn't even go to the school. I think they found out I was speaking and found it on instagram. Shout out to you found us. Also, be careful, because I don't think that's totally legal.

Alan Lazaros

Literally. I was asking him. We were instagram dming on the way there. I said what building it is in, where do I park? He's like dude, I've never been there. I'm from Arizona. We were being playful. He's like I just moved here, we're good.

Kevin Palmieri

Shout out, shout out. Okay, this is my question. Committed. Committed. Imagine 20-year-old Kev is sitting in the crowd. Can you understand why? 20-year-old?

Alan Lazaros

Kev would not want to get a little bit better every day for the next 15 years Only if you didn't believe that it would help you achieve all of your goals and dreams. If I could somehow convince 20-year-old Kev that the law of aggregation, wow the, that the compound effect, was the way to achieve all of his goals and dreams and to be healthy, wealthy and in love, then I think he would want to do it. If he really was certain. Now there's no way to be certain. That's the problem. Isn't that the paradox? If you were certain that you could achieve all your goals and dreams and all you had to do was get a little bit smarter each day, a little bit stronger each day, a little bit more self-aware each day, a little bit more vulnerable each day, a little bit more courageous each day, I believe that that, kevin, if I could somehow convince him of that which I couldn't because he would have hated me, I'm joking then I think he would do it and I think he'd say fuck yeah, sign me up.

Kevin Palmieri

I feel like the best example of this is Evan Carmichael has a like a graph of year one, year two, not a graph. What is it? Just a list, a data set, a data set of year one subscribers. Year two subscribers. Year three subscribers. I feel like that is one of the best visual representations of this I've ever seen and again, it's obviously it's different because it's views and not like potential, but if somebody showed me that, I feel like that would really help. Agreed.

Alan Lazaros

Even NLU. I showed the whole team our growth rate over time. Even Brandon's been with us for five years. Brandon has seen. He's even taken the floor, so to speak, in Team Huddles and said, listen, I've seen it. I believe it.

Alan Lazaros

I'm a believer and it's cool to see that happen because he has admitted on book club. I wasn't sure alan was accurate back then. Now I've everything he said would happen has happened. So I I'm telling you he's onto something and he I really appreciate that endorsement because mathematically I know that it's sound. The, the principle is sound, whether or not you do it. Going back there meeting these students, there's a couple things they don't fully understand yet. Number one you guys are already ahead of the game. You're at one of the best engineering colleges.

Alan Lazaros

On the, in the planet in the world, and you're already statistically on the high end of intelligence and educated. It's the 21st century. Every company needs engineers, so, and there's not enough engineers, there's more engineers needed than there are engineers for certain. That's a scientific fact that I would look up any day of the week and that's one of the reasons I did so. Well too. Just computer engineers. 21st century computers are quite important, right? So some of that wasn't even me, it was just everyone.

Alan Lazaros

I still get job offers, right? And they don't know. What they don't know and what they don't know is that these self-improvement principles, how to engineer a fulfilling life, passion, purpose, profit, job calling versus a career, time, effort, money, investments versus spending the NLU stuff, next level university If you were to actually listen to every one of these episodes and implement and implement to actually listen to every one of these episodes and implement and implement that's the key. You've got to implement something, you would be. You'd blow your own mind, unless you are already delusional, in which case you'll just achieve what you probably think you can.

Kevin Palmieri

I can understand.

Alan Lazaros

Well then, you're the one that needs to convince, because to me, I'm convinced. The problem is, brother, this Kev doesn't need convincing.

Kevin Palmieri

It's the Kev back then.

Alan Lazaros

that needs convincing and he's the hardest to convince Well, I think the hardest. You gotta teach me the ways.

Kevin Palmieri

Well, it's not even that. I think the hardest part is it's almost like it's most likely all the stuff that they don't want to hear. Not them, the proverbial them, you know.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah, it's like it's how do we get through?

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Kevin Palmieri

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Kevin Palmieri

I think when you, the more results you have, I think the more, the more results you have and the more honest you are about it. I think that's something. I think that's really again, I'm not saying this, excuse me. I'm not saying this to be negative. I do think eventually, like, imagine, okay, imagine, I don't know if I have a really good example. Okay, let's do this. I don't know if I have a really good example. Okay, let's do this.

Kevin Palmieri

Imagine you've been at the same job for 30 years and you've climbed your way up the ranks. You've climbed your way up the ranks and now you kind of have a cushy desk job and somebody says to you hey, what's your day-to-day like? You're like, I roll in right about 9 have. I have 15 people that report directly to me, but, honestly, I don't really even talk to them because there's team that takes care of that. I don't really do that much. Like four calls a day, nothing crazy. Go home, I'm home for dinner every night. I get to see my family every night. Get to go to all the well.

Kevin Palmieri

Let's say at this point, maybe your kids are. Yeah, I don't. The kids are out of the house. So, let's say, my partner and I live together. I get to. Yeah, I get to be home every night for dinner.

Kevin Palmieri

But that's not how you started, though, and the advice you're giving is from the pedestal that somebody is trying to get to, and you've only been at that pedestal for one thirtieth of your career. The other time it was other stuff, and I think it's very easy to lose sight of that. It's very easy to lose sight of what it took to get there, and I think it's also a misconception that you take the knowledge that you have today and you pair it with the experience that you have and you think that if you did things differently with the experience that you have, and you think that if you did things differently, I'm not saying it wouldn't have made it go faster, because obviously it would have. But if you give that to someone else, it's like well, these are all the mistakes we made and this is what you can do to fix it. I don't know if that's as helpful as people think it is.

Alan Lazaros

In a way, yeah, but it does accelerate it.

Kevin Palmieri

It does accelerate, it, it does accelerate, but it's not the end.

Alan Lazaros

All be all yeah, you can't skip steps. People say, well, if I can condense decades into years or decades into days, it's no right. No, you can't become a black belt in a day. What are we doing here? That's so stupid. I said this earlier on a podcast. That's a business podcast, and I said what's the most important thing for people to learn about business? And I said it's a deeper level of Pareto. My man, wilfredo.

Kevin Palmieri

Pareto, wilfredo, three appearances this week. We're going to have to start paying him, paying the family, for the appearance fees.

Alan Lazaros

The Pareto family. I'm sure they're fine, or maybe not, I don't know. 20% of your effort produces 80% of your rewards and if you take 20% of 20% of 20% of 20% of 20%, you eventually get to the point where one input gives you 1,024x output. And people say, well, if you could go to Vegas and you could put a dollar in and make $1,000 back, how often would you play Dumbest shit ever? Because the truth is, you put a dollar in, you get punched in the face for nine years and then you get the thousand dollars 10 years in. And I just think that most people in the motivational, inspirational space they have these sayings that this is actually why I like trainings more than speeches, because in the training I can actually show you this is how it works. Let me give you an example Passion purpose profit, snowball.

Alan Lazaros

I literally had a slide with a snowball. Passion purpose, profit, passion purpose, profit, passion purpose, profit. Okay, so you love fitness. That's your passion, I know. Say that six times fast. Passion purpose profit. So my passion is fitness. I became a fitness coach. That's my purpose, okay, and I did it for a profit. I made 50 bucks, okay, nice. Now let me try to do it again, double down on it, make it get another client. Okay, let's do 75 bucks. Okay, boom, boom, now a hundred bucks. Yeah, it sounds real easy. It sounds real easy, but I still got to go do that. What about sales? What about when the client doesn't want to do the work? What about when they weigh their chicken with chicken bones in it and they don't lose weight because of it? That happened to me. I remember being like my goodness, I don't know what, you don't know. I need to reevaluate my existence. Like, yeah, you can't weigh the chicken with the chicken bones in it.

Kevin Palmieri

That's on you, that's on the kid I know Kev always told me that that's on you. You're the coach.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah, exactly, I should know they don't know that. But at the end of the day, all of these motivational, inspirational podcasts and videos, they're helpful, but nothing can change the fact that you have to do it. You have to experience it. You can't just learn on YouTube how to build computers. You have to actually build computers and I am such a firm believer, dude, you and I we're doing so much. Are you starting to feel it? I don't want this to come off as arrogant, but I really want to know what you think. I'm starting to really feel the compound effect of my. You can't tell by this episode, but I'm feeling the compound effect of.

Alan Lazaros

I remember our team member, ron, shout out to you. She's on the production team. She said I don't get how you guys do it. You guys throw the recording on, you go here's the topic, here's the title, and then you go lights, camera go, and then you just go for 45 minutes. How do you do that? I said well, we've done it thousands of times. And when I go on other podcasts and they're new podcasters they always ask like how was that? Was that good? I say it's great, yeah, strong work, keep it up. But I can tell there's a huge Delta? Of course there is. I've been doing this for seven years longer than you, and so, yeah, I could learn everything there is to know about podcasting. But unless you're in the arena doing the work, getting punched in the face, you're not going to learn how to dodge the right hook and then how to grapple.

Kevin Palmieri

You can't teach. I think that's the thing is you can't really teach the benefits of experience. There are some things that have to be learned through action. I was on with somebody the other day and they said what am I missing?

Kevin Palmieri

And I said you need to go on as many podcasts as humanly possible yeah not because of listens, none of that because you're going to realize one, you're way better than you think. Two, you're also way worse than you think, but you don't. You don't know that yet it's. It's going to be extremely humbling, it's going to help yourself worth a ton and it's going to change the way you look at yourself. And I don't think there's anything else you're going to do. That's going to do that. What did I give them? Did them asking that question change them? No. Did me telling them that change them? No, it made them maybe want to do it more. I don't know how to explain it. I just know this is an experience that you will find a ton of benefits in Sometimes. I think that's the beauty of having somebody advise you. In certain ways, it's not. Can I tell you something that will help you? Yes, can I tell you to do something that I know will change everything?

Kevin Palmieri

Yes but you've got to do it. I think that's way more valuable than almost anything. Also, I was talking to somebody about this the other day somebody who's into fitness and I said you know what? I've been weighing my rice wrong. I have been dry rice. Quarter cup white rice, 160 calories. Dry, 170. Mine are 160. Not a big deal. Maybe mine are Basmati rice, it's 160. Ask me how I know and I'll tell you. You're going to figure out here in a second. I've been eating two cups dry rice with my dinner 640 cows you've been eating 2 cups of dry rice, no chance.

Alan Lazaros

100% baby. Oh my god, that sounds awful that's awesome cooked.

Kevin Palmieri

It's a whole rice cooker.

Alan Lazaros

Yeah, the entire rice cooker 2 full cups of dry rice, that's 8 servings 16 ounces.

Kevin Palmieri

Yes, yes, 2 full cups of dry rice. Two, that's eight servings. 16 ounces, yes, yes, two full, two full cups of white rice that's fucking terrible.

Alan Lazaros

Hold on hold on eight times 160, brother, you're getting 1280 calories guess how many I've been tracking dude, no wonder why you're jacked right now, dude, you're carved up I can't even. How do you eat that much? I? Can brutal I eat that force feed no, no, I don't eat.

Kevin Palmieri

I mean I had. I lifted it at 6 30. I've had a protein shake. I had a salad today because I had a little bit extra time and I didn't feel eating 1280 calories per day of rice. Well, here's the thing. I've only been measuring half of that, so I've been overeating by 640 calories.

Alan Lazaros

No wonder why you're jacked.

Kevin Palmieri

Listen every day for like the last year. So my bulk went really well. Last time I cut it was harder than I expected, I feel like that's why I don't, for some reason. I thought I was having. I thought I was having one cup and that's what. 860 or whatever it is calories, it's 16 times four, 16, 32, 40.

Kevin Palmieri

640. And somewhere along the lines I got Jeffed. So I just started eating double and measuring, half Jeffed. Yeah, I was like, oh my, what an idiot For the non-bodybuilders in the room when you carb up with rice.

Alan Lazaros

You just feel like a superhero. It's real good.

Kevin Palmieri

I don't really do this. You must feel great, you must have great pumps, come on. I always have great pumps. You always say that you always have great pumps.

Alan Lazaros

Dude, you must have great pumps with 1,300 calories of complex carbohydrate.

Kevin Palmieri

Well, by the time it I mean, how long does it last?

Alan Lazaros

Well, if you're doing it every day, it's always in your flowing through your veins.

Kevin Palmieri

In fairness, I'm not doing it every day. Every every day I have rice, which is probably like four times a week, so like 50, at least 50 percent of the time but I have a lot of science and chemistry to teach you biochem the reason I wanted to bring that up is because you were talking about the chicken bones. It's like no, I jeff that pretty too. My remarkable is this episode sponsored by remarkable, not really last thing, not not knowledge plus experience plus reflection.

Alan Lazaros

There it is. You know how much is in rice, you know how to freaking measure? Apparently not, uh, experience. You do it and then you reflect on it and go. If I've been doing this wrong for a year and a half, it wasn't even I got lucky I just relate than never.

Alan Lazaros

Dude, no one is optimal. Nothing we're doing is optimal. Right now, kevin and I are considering new cameras and he texted me today. He said something about we could both get brand new cameras for 220 dollars. Like dude, you are in sales now, aren't you stream?

Kevin Palmieri

yard $90 a month. We're going to buy it for the year, nine times $1,080. The cameras in total are $1,300. $1,300 minus $1,080 is $220. If we can StreamYard and buy the cameras, it'll only cost us an extra $220. That's what I said.

Alan Lazaros

This is the text I get, oh shit, we could legit get two more, or of your cameras or your cameras you spelled, or instead I fixed it after you, son of a bitch. Yeah, you did. We could legit get two more of your cameras for 220 dollars more than a year of stream yard. I read it quickly that's on you more than a year of StreamYard.

Kevin Palmieri

Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

I just saw the $220, two more cameras. What is he talking about?

Kevin Palmieri

Well, in fairness, in the very beginning, when we were podcasting in Alan's sister's old bedroom, we went on Amazon and we ordered these like 4K cameras and they were like I don't know a couple hundred bucks a piece. We were like, holy shit, this is awesome. We got them. They were absolutely atrocious I mean, I'm talking nokia snake phone terrible and I was so distraught obviously we had to return them.

Alan Lazaros

They were absolutely I was, so we've been so excited. Yeah, we've had so many of those moments on this journey of just terrible, just oh damn.

Alan Lazaros

But my point of that yeah, sorry was nothing that we've we're doing right now is fully optimal. The question is and I told kev, I said if we're going to get new cameras, when we get new cameras, because we're going to eventually go fully native and this whole thing, but we have to upgrade, that's the rule. We have to get one percent better. Back to the law of the aggregation of marginal gains, the compound effect, snowball effect, to the point of this episode, knowledge plus reflection, knowledge plus experience plus reflection equals wisdom. It's late.

Alan Lazaros

You, all of us, all of us are underestimating the power of the compound effect. All of us. How could you not? It seemingly comes out of nowhere. If I show you the numbers. I have a financial calculator bookmarked on chrome to show my clients what happens when they go from monthly to bi-weekly, from bi-weekly to weekly and from weekly to twice a week. And I have two people that are three times a week. Now if, if, you saw the math of how much better they're getting. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't pay off immediately, but in one, two, four, eight years, if they stick with it, it's going to be nuts. I mean, they will far surpass their peers and mathematically, that's mathematically certain. That's assuming they do the work, that's assuming they show up. That's assuming they track their metrics and habits. That's assuming a lot of stuff, but I'm telling you, everyone out there is more capable than they think right now, including me. It's just a matter of whether or not you're going to show up consistently.

Kevin Palmieri

This is a bumper sticker statement of the century. You're going to do shit for the next eight years. You might as well do the right shit. If only it was that easy, though. If only it was that easy, it's really easy to do the wrong shit.

Alan Lazaros

Well, you've been tracking the wrong rice for 17 years now. It's been a minute.

Kevin Palmieri

Which I'm about to get really jacked, though, now that I'm dieting and I'm actually in a caloric deficit, things are really going to start picking up. See knowledge is power. Potential, yeah, potential. I think I knew it, I just don't know. Last night I was pouring my rice and I was like, oh shit, that's the two cup line. No way, oh, that's why I mean, it's the whole. I mean the rice cooker's like overflowing with rice, it's like no, no one person should sit down and eat that much rice in one sitting.

Alan Lazaros

I've been doing it for a minute. That sounds terrible it's awesome.

Kevin Palmieri

I love rice, I love white rice.

Alan Lazaros

I love rice too. No one loves rice that much Kevin does 10 ounces of ground beef.

Kevin Palmieri

This is what I have for dinner 10 ounces of ground beef, unfortunately, two cups of rice, one accident cup of rice, and then I have I don't know, probably like four servings. Nice, that's my little. Can't find fat-free cheddar to save our lives? I don't know who's stashing all the fat-free cheddar cheese.

Alan Lazaros

Can't locate it Unlocatable, so I throw a little chi on there.

Kevin Palmieri

I got some Korean teriyaki sauce.

Alan Lazaros

Ooh baby, Making me really hungry. I haven't eaten since 10.

Kevin Palmieri

10 o'clock in the am I'm super hungry.

Alan Lazaros

I look like shit. You do look like shit. Yeah, it's not easy, man, it's late. It's been a week, man. I've been a little sick.

Kevin Palmieri

I was talking to alan I was like we gotta take it with you. I I don't. I think I gotta take it easy. I need a vacation, not really 9 backs to backs tomorrow 9 backs to backs the marginalization of marginal gains.

Alan Lazaros

Anything you want to say before we go if you take nothing else from this S show of an episode, the compound effect of the small things you do each day do accumulate to massive changes. If you are focused on improving, you can't just work out. You have to improve your workouts. You can't just stretch, you have to improve your stretches. You can't just podcast, you have to improve podcasting most of the time. And if you do that consistently, eventually you will have these moments of wow I have hit a new level and tonight was a new level low.

Alan Lazaros

For us. Tonight was not one of those nights of a new level.

Kevin Palmieri

I'll tell you what it really wasn't well, I also said this in that that interview. I said eventually the goal hopefully and maybe you will find this, if you do it is your worst interview in five years is going to be better than your best interview was five years ago that it just doesn't feel like it because you know what you're capable of. It's a whole thing.

Alan Lazaros

What's your takeaway, man?

Kevin Palmieri

What is my takeaway? My takeaway, what is my takeaway? I think experience is one of the most valuable things on the planet, and I would choose to work with someone that has experience before. I would choose to work with someone who has knowledge.

Alan Lazaros

Agreed. However, I would choose the person who does both. Well, that's not it. Person who does both.

Kevin Palmieri

Well, that's not. It's multiple choice and that's not one, and you don't get to. You don't get to fill in your own multiple choice.

Alan Lazaros

And then I would really choose the person who reflects on that experience.

Kevin Palmieri

I'm gonna watch my training back and I guarantee you it's gonna be painful.

Alan Lazaros

If you, I'm gonna notice every single thing that's wrong.

Kevin Palmieri

If you get McDonald's like we used to back in the day and you get a double cheat, get one from me. This is my thesis before we get out of here. I think experience creates humility. Yeah, agreed, I think knowledge creates the opportunity for ego.

Alan Lazaros

Not always no, no, or it builds confidence. Experience will either build confidence or give you humility. So last night I got humility and then confidence in other ways.

Kevin Palmieri

Touche, well played. All right, we're going to get out of here. If you are looking for a group of like-minded humans who are into self-improvement and having deep conversations and being courageous and being vulnerable and just trying to get to the next level of their lives, we have a private Facebook group called Next Level Nation Link. In the show notes, alan has coaching slots available. The Dreamliner is on Amazon. Monthly meetup is coming up because we're getting towards the end of the month I have not got mine.

Alan Lazaros

yet Mine came in today.

Kevin Palmieri

Well, maybe mine's in the mailbox.

Alan Lazaros

I haven't checked it. This is the old one.

Outro

Kevin Palmieri

I am truly jealous. I'm excited to get back. So you'll see that in the coming episodes I'll have a nice fresh one to show off. But yes, many things at NLU, many free things, some paid things. Do whatever is best for you and we'll help you get to the next level. That is always the goal to help you, where you are, get to the place you aspire to. As always, we love you, we appreciate you.

Alan Lazaros

Grateful for each. And we don't have fans, we have family.

Kevin Palmieri

We will talk to you all tomorrow. Stay next level, next level nation. Thanks for joining us for another episode of next level university. We love connecting with the next level family we mean it when we say family.

Alan Lazaros

If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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