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The Trouble With Boundaries (1984)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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In this episode of Next Level University, Kevin and Alan unpack the challenges of setting boundaries, exploring why limits feel uncomfortable and how fear of rejection holds us back. Kevin recounts his anxiety when establishing a business boundary, while Alan discusses how gratitude and entitlement affect relationships. Ultimately, they remind us that standing firm in our self-worth is key to protecting our energy and thriving.

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Show notes:
(3:19) Struggling to enforce boundaries in business
(5:27) Fear of being villainized
(7:54) Recognizing entitlement Vs. Humility
(10:03) Assessing relationships: Is it worth it?
(13:07) Balancing firm boundaries without overreacting
(15:34) Next Level Dreamliner: the planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy: https://a.co/d/9fPpxEt
(18:34) Self-worth and breaking toxic cycles
(22:43) The drive to five: Finding balance
(26:16) How to stand up for yourself maturely
(28:43) Outro

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Alan Lazaros:

The consequence to telling me to get fucked is well, good luck with our working relationship, and why am I supposed to be working when Kev's not and again, anyone out there who's entitled? If your boss comes to you and asks you to do something and you really value your job and your paycheck, you better not tell him or her to get fucked. You need to be very humble in this.

Kevin Palmieri:

I don't know. The one that I wanted to say was a boundary is a spotlight. A boundary literally highlights somebody's truth. So if I set a boundary with Alan and then Alan is a dick to me it's like wait, is that your true? That's your true colors, that's who you are when you don't get your way with me. Welcome to Next Level University. I'm your host, kevin Palmieri.

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And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus.

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Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. Today for episode number 1984, the Trouble with Boundaries. So we actually tried to record this earlier Very rare that this happens but Alan's Wi-Fi was so bad that we were like let's just do it later, because we're going to have to piece it all together. Honestly, I can't hear what you're saying. So this is going to be a whole thing. It's always weird when we do an episode for the second time, because I don't know if what I'm saying is for the first time in this episode or the second. It's a whole thing. But things have actually kind of changed since we planned on doing the episode. So there is I'm kidding, I had a small mental breakdown there.

Alan Lazaros:

If you were on YouTube, just watch Kevin's face. For that, go back.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think I was slightly enraged too A bit of both. So there was a situation where we had to set a boundary and I took leadership on setting this boundary and I now think of it, and this is what we talked about in the previous episode, so I'll touch on it. I used to have a job that I fucking hated. I was literally having suicidal ideations. That's how much this job was taking out of me. That's how much it was impacting my life. When I left the job, I had a little piece of me that, after I left, said I kind of miss it. I kind of miss it. Did I make the right decision? Did I make?

Alan Lazaros:

a mistake. Any chance you're willing to tell the story? Where you didn't honor a boundary, you walk out to the car I'm out of here. Oh, I don't know if we have time I don't want to waste. It's the perfect boundary story.

Kevin Palmieri:

You can't laugh. If you laugh, I'm turning it off.

Alan Lazaros:

You lock it up, you can't tell me what to do. It's a boundary for me. I might laugh, because it's just, it's straight out of a sitcom man.

Kevin Palmieri:

So, no, I've told it so many times, I'll save it for the end. Okay, I'll save it for the end. If you stick around to the end of this episode, maybe I'll tell the story before that is another example, though relationships. How many times have you been in a relationship that you know wasn't serving its purpose? It needs to end. Something happens, the relationship ends, and then you just, for some reason, only play the highlights of the relationship in your head and you say, oh no, did I make a giant mistake, similar? So I had the opportunity to set a boundary for something within the business. I started the process of setting the boundary. Then I had the opportunity to complete the boundary.

Kevin Palmieri:

And there was a piece of me that was like ah no, I don't know I don't really want to bad. Yeah, it's not that bad. I don't really. I don't want to hurt this person Like I don't want this to be something that this person then takes with them for the rest of their lives.

Alan Lazaros:

Let's go deeper. What were you really afraid of? You're afraid. I will speak for myself. I was afraid of character assassination.

Kevin Palmieri:

That was a piece of it. Yeah, Villainization I was afraid this person was going to villainize me.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, and then poison people against us. It sucks man.

Kevin Palmieri:

I was afraid of that because that has happened in the past, For sure To a pretty drastic degree. Unfortunately, I ended up going through with it and I found myself just like checking my messages over and over For like five to ten minutes after I'll be very honest Because I was like did they say something? Did they say something? Did they say something? And then after ten minutes, I was like, alright, cool On to the next thing. I'm good, but there's like a grace period where when you do it, you want to take it back. After I sent a very vulnerable and direct audio message and I wanted to unsend it after I said it, I was like, eh, I probably can that, I'll probably take that back and pretend it never happened. So I think that's why boundaries are so hard, because one you have the moment of is it?

Kevin Palmieri:

really that bad though? I mean, is it really that bad? Is it really worth making us think about? Should I really lean into this? What if the person doesn't like me? What if they don't like me more now that I set the boundary? Honestly, I think boundaries are one of those things that just kind of suck, and that's why they're so hard to do, just like dieting, just like getting up early, if that's something you struggle with. There are certain things that suck that might be requirements for where we want to go.

Alan Lazaros:

Emilia and I went on a walk this past Sunday into the woods. We have quarries near our house that are awesome and we were talking about positive and negative and I was thinking about how, how do you every single thing in life, everything, every person, place, thing or idea, everything? All of it has a positive and a negative, has a top of the iceberg, has a below the iceberg has a positive, the North Pole and the South Pole, the yin and the yang, the up and the down, and I was thinking to myself there was a person we were talking about in this walk and how sweet she was being, and I said to her it's so hard for me to reconcile how sweet that is and how wonderful that is about that person. But there's some things about that person that are really quite fucking terrible and I don't know how to reconcile that. She said that's the trouble with emotions it's so hard to feel multiple emotions simultaneously and I don't know how to reconcile that. She said that's the trouble with emotions it's so hard to feel multiple emotions simultaneously.

Alan Lazaros:

Okay, working with me, working with Kevin, there's huge pros and there's some cons. There's a lot of positive and there's some negatives. Cons there's a lot of positive and there's some negatives. Every client there's a lot of positives and there's some negatives. And so I think life comes down to learning who you are and learning what the positives and negatives are for you. So for Kevin and I, we're 35 and 36, positives and negatives are for you. So for Kevin and I, we're 35 and 36, respectfully, respectfully, respectively, whatever we're 35 and 36.

Alan Lazaros:

And at this stage in our life, we realize that entitlement is the thing we can't stand the most. Definitely and I said this at the end of a podcast I just cut off. I said if you are humble and grateful and you have work ethic and you have a sincere, sincere desire to learn and grow towards your potential, to achieve your goals and dreams, you're going to love us. You're going to love Kev. You're going to love NLU. You're going to love me. It's going to be great. Let's do it. Come on over, dm me.

Alan Lazaros:

If you are entitled or arrogant on any level and you want huge rewards for minimal effort, you're going to fucking hate us. We're the ultimate try-hards. I didn't say that on the show, don't worry, but I basically said don't reach out under any circumstance. And the reason why is you're going to waste your time and ours. We just figured out through massive pain who we work well with and who we don't. We're not for everybody. And this boundary thing to bring it back to boundaries. If everyone can assess the positives and negatives of every relationship in their life, some of the negatives just aren't worth it.

Kevin Palmieri:

They're just not worth it. What do you mean? What's an example? Well, let's use.

Alan Lazaros:

Cigarettes are a good example. There is a benefit to smoking cigarettes. You breathe deeply, you look wicked cool, I'm kidding, you don't tell it.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, you used to. Yeah, you got a leather jacket on smoking a cig.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, you used to look really cool, used to get the girls I'm joking, no, but ultimately there is a benefit to everything we do. There's a benefit to eating pizza. I had pizza last night awesome, okay, huge benefit, love it. Great, it's awesome downside tons of calories, looking chubby. There's a benefit to eating pizza. I had pizza last night Awesome, okay, huge benefit, love it. Great, it's awesome, downside Tons of calories. Looking chubby today Is what it is. Is it worth it?

Alan Lazaros:

So, if anyone out there has a relationship in their life and I'm thinking back to past relationships in hindsight, this version of me, it wasn't worth it. Me, it wasn't worth it. It wasn't so. Many things I tolerated weren't worth it. I should have set boundaries. I should have left that person earlier.

Alan Lazaros:

I really wasted a lot of time and effort on a relationship that was not for me, and that's what I'm hoping that everyone listening can do is have the courage to sail away, or have the courage to speak your truth or have the courage to set a boundary, because some people I'm thinking of a past partner of mine that I think is not great. I really it was not a good relationship. I don't think she's that good of a person. I'm not a fan. That's my truth, and I have other partners that were actually wonderful. If anything, I wish I treated them better.

Alan Lazaros:

So it's not just a salty thing. It's, and I'm sure there's other people that maybe don't mind that person as much as I do. But it all comes down to standards. It all comes down to what you tolerate from yourself and others. It all comes down to self-worth and what you believe that you deserve. And if you grow up in an environment that's very abusive, you unconsciously will believe that you deserve to be treated like shit and disrespected because it's the Richter scale. We did an episode on conscious couples about the richter scale. We did an episode on conscious couples about the richter scale. If you're born in california and there's a level two earthquake out of 10, you might not even notice. If that happens in massachusetts, people are losing their minds just like happened recently.

Kevin Palmieri:

There was a little one and everybody in the local facebook was like whoa, you feel that shit?

Alan Lazaros:

like in california.

Kevin Palmieri:

California would be like nobody would even bat an eye, just like down south.

Alan Lazaros:

It apparently snowed in texas and south carolina. Emilia's family has a place in south carolina and it snowed down there, and for us in new england that wouldn't even have been on the radar, it wouldn't even have made the news, it was just a little flurry. But down there everyone was losing their mind because that's not what they're used to, and so when you grow up in an environment where you're used to level 10 earthquakes, you're not going to notice a four. And so you might be in a terrible relationship or a terrible friendship and not notice it because you're so used to being treated like shit. And in the past I would go back and talk to younger Alan and say dude, dude, I know this feels okay, it's not okay.

Kevin Palmieri:

And he really helped me with that. I think the hard part about all this is you have to figure out what's worth setting boundaries for too. Yeah, there are certain conversations with certain people that I just it's not worth me having. It's just not worth it. It's not worth maybe I don't see them often enough, or it's just not worth it. It depends. It depends on what it is.

Kevin Palmieri:

This situation involved more people than just me. Super helpful for me to get out of my comfort zone, to set a boundary. For sure, I wanted to do it from a place of self-worth. I thought it would help my self-worth and I definitely feel like it did. Now again, is it a drastic increase? No, but I felt different after. I was like, okay, that's a muscle that I haven't flexed, there's something to that. So that was something. So I just think but it has to be worth it. If it's not worth it, set the boundary. And I don't know, I don't know how you figure out whether or not it's worth it, because in the short run it probably doesn't feel like it is, but in the long run, I think the only way to really know that is just to practice it.

Alan Lazaros:

Well, the question becomes if there's someone you love who is being treated the way you're being treated. Would you stick up for them? I think that's a good. I think that's a really good frame of. If someone treated Emilia the way that I'm being treated, I would stick up for her immediately. So why don't? I believe I'm worth that?

Kevin Palmieri:

I think that's a good, I do too and maybe that's the extra necessity is okay. Maybe right now you're struggling. Let's say let's use an example. We'll use a concrete example. Let's say, hypothetically, you work at a company and you're I mean, this is a tough one because there's layers to it, but you work from home and your boss is always having you or asking you to do things while you're off the clock, and that's not your contract, that's not what you signed up for and you shouldn't be doing it.

Alan Lazaros:

You're being mistreated. Ultimately, you're being mistreated.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, instead of you just saying, well, I don't really want. I mean, it's not really fair to me and that's not really what I signed up for and that's not in the contract. What about the fact that it's taking away from your family? What about the fact that you're not as present of a partner? What about the fact that you're not as present of a parent? That might be a little extra necessity. Now here's the dangerous part of that. You also might do something reckless and lose your freaking job. Yeah, something reckless and lose your freaking job. Yeah, and then that affects your family even more, at least in this example. So it is. It's like how do we set boundaries without over swinging? How do we do the thing that is not natural to us without having to have the ego or the self-deprecation to do it? I think that's why it's so. I think that's why it's so hard, because you want to do it from a centered place. What are you fucking laughing about?

Alan Lazaros:

I just had this moment of. One of the reasons why I think some people struggle with boundaries is because they don't want to be entitled 100. So I just had this image popping in my head of me reach out. I reach out to Kev and hey, man, I really need help on this. This and this for NLU. And it's well, you know, it is 11 o'clock on a Saturday, get fucked, you know. And it's like, well, you are a 50-50 business partner.

Kevin Palmieri:

I wish I could do that.

Alan Lazaros:

At what point is that entitled, right and there's consequences to every boundary. Hello, hello, hello NLU listener, thank you, as always, for listening to Next Level University. Real quick, I just want to jump in and let you know about the Next Level Dreamliner. This is a journal that I use every single day. Achieve your dreams 90 days at a time. It breaks down your dreams into goals, milestones and daily habits. Dreams into goals, milestones and daily habits. We hope you enjoy it. The link will be in the show notes. The consequence to telling me to get fucked is well, good luck with our working relationship and why am I supposed to be working when kev's not and again anyone out there who's entitled?

Alan Lazaros:

if your boss comes to you and asks you to do something and you really value your job and your paycheck, you better not tell him or her to get fucked.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, and if you do.

Alan Lazaros:

And again, obviously you wouldn't say get fucked. But you need to be very humble in this because you want to. Okay, your landlord's not available. Well, do you have another place available?

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, that's why I think it's so hard. This is why it's so important.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, because usually I think You've got to put yourself in a position of being the chess player instead of the chess piece.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, you, I think what tends to happen is it crosses a certain chasm and then you're ready to set the boundary, but you're ready to set it from a place of anger, not balance, and that I think that's a dangerous I mean, how many times has that happened in a relationship? That's like one of the biggest ruptures in relationships. Something happens and you don't set a boundary yeah, maybe next time and then it happens, and it happens, and it happens, and it happens, and then eventually you set such a hard, hard, toxic boundary that it breaks the relationship, because now you have to put up plywood and screw it and put a, an anvil behind it, and then put concrete up, then build another wall, when in the beginning the boundary would have just been like hey, can we pause for a second? Those are two drastically different conversations.

Alan Lazaros:

So, yeah, I think you're probably potentially going to experience, uh, potential regret yeah, when you're feeling high and you're feeling real good and you come in hot and you're like you know what? You know what? I have been wanting to tell you this for years and the next day you're like alone. Oh my god, I'm so sorry. Please don't leave. It is. It's.

Alan Lazaros:

It's very hard to find five. We call it the drive to five. Zero to ten. Zero is you have no boundaries whatsoever, no self-worth. You're being walked on constantly.

Alan Lazaros:

Ten is you're entitled and telling your boss to get after when they're paying your bills. Like you, you need to stay at. It's very important to stay at five, and five's hard to find when you grow up in zero or in 10, right, I mean, let's be honest, there are some people with straight-up spoiled brat syndrome. For sure it's insane to me. Well, it wasn't quite toasted as well as I wanted. I can't even Like you're lucky to have food.

Alan Lazaros:

What happened to you? Like something happened to you. This is not okay and it makes sense, right? If I grew up in an environment where the entitlement was beaten out of me metaphorically, maybe literally, and I'm with someone else who just multi-millions without any effort, it never was going to work and I think that we weren't at five. And so what Kevin and I wanted to share, we've got to go here because I've got to be on a call. Oh shit, ultimately I would have just kept going Because we're in flow. And so what Kevin and I wanted to share, we got to go here because I got to be on a call.

Kevin Palmieri:

But ultimately we're in flow. Yeah, we're just going.

Alan Lazaros:

There was three things we wanted to make sure that we brought across. There was a really awesome quote that we heard at a meetup in Arizona.

Kevin Palmieri:

Sure.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, I'm forgetting the name Lauren Lauren yes, lauren Johnson, lauren Johnson. Lauren Johnson. Yeah, she had a quote. She said the people who get the most upset when you set a boundary are the very people who are benefiting from you not having a boundary.

Kevin Palmieri:

Okay, what were the other two? I don't know. You were saying this when we got off before. I don't know. The one that I wanted to say was a boundary is a spotlight. A boundary literally highlights somebody's truth. So if I set a boundary with Alan and then Alan is a dick to me, it's like wait, is that your true? That's your, yeah.

Alan Lazaros:

I think that's who someone really is you, yeah you gotta see who someone is when they're, when they're down and out.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well that's this is one of the ways when you don't get what the person doesn't get, what they want from you and you set a boundary and they change up completely and that speaks to Lauren's quote like they benefited from you not having boundaries and now that you don't have that boundary anymore, they're not about it. But I think one of the reasons we run from them is because that could potentially shift the reality of a relationship. If I set a boundary and Alan is completely different than he's been for the last eight years, I'm going to start questioning things.

Alan Lazaros:

Like, oh, as you should.

Kevin Palmieri:

Is he taking advantage of me? Am I going to have to kill him in his sleep? A lot of Questions are going to come up. I don't know what the third one was.

Alan Lazaros:

The third one. I found it Emilia said it on a Conscious Couples podcast episode. I chat GPT boundaries. There's a lot here. We can't do this right now.

Kevin Palmieri:

No.

Alan Lazaros:

But she said a boundary is honoring a core value. So if I have a core value of fitness I remember one time we were driving to the gym if I have a core value of fitness, I remember one time we were driving to the gym and after the gym I have a very. My pre and post gym routine is very important to me. And she made a phone call in the car to her family on the way to the gym and I said, sweetheart, I understand no big deal, but I just want you to know it's kind of a ritualized routine for me. I try to get in the zone before the gym and I'd really appreciate it if we weren't talking to my future in-laws right before I get into like kill the weights mode, cause for me that's going to war mode and I don't want that to leak on my future in-laws. And she was like, yeah, totally Awesome.

Alan Lazaros:

And then a couple of nights later she ended up doing it again out of habit. And then I I was like I think that's a boundary for me, go ahead again out of habit. And then I I was like I think that's a boundary for me, go ahead. I was gonna say what do you listen to on your way to the gym, dude anything that's extremely intense. You ever seen the movie dune? Never, there's, I don't know. There's a playlist. There's some intense drums and some hardcore shit that we listen to.

Kevin Palmieri:

I listen to audiobooks.

Alan Lazaros:

It depends on the mood. Sometimes it's rap, sometimes it's rock. I love heavy rock. A little bit of screamo.

Kevin Palmieri:

Sometimes A little bit of screamo Every now and then I got some shit for you. I got some shit for you. I've been turned on To some new stuff.

Alan Lazaros:

I got you New playlist called 2024 Bangers, and by new I mean, obviously, a month and a half old, since it's not 2025.

Kevin Palmieri:

Bangers A little bit better than the Alan's Melancholy playlist that I still got it Frequented on road trips. You know it I listen to audio books on the way to the gym.

Alan Lazaros:

Believe that, nice, my gym is two minutes away.

Kevin Palmieri:

You want to play the comparison game? My gym is four minutes away, so fuck you. How about that?

Alan Lazaros:

Talk to me about how far away your gym is All right.

Kevin Palmieri:

What's your quick takeaway before we get out of here?

Alan Lazaros:

Make sure you're at five with this. Are you entitled spoiled brat syndrome? Or are you really low self-worth, used to being mistreated so you're just tolerating being treated unjustly all the time? Okay?

Kevin Palmieri:

I love that. Mine would be. I think, like many things, boundaries get easier as you do them, and I think of it like there's two ways to do it. There's dip your toe in the cold water, realize how cold it is and say F that I'm not doing it, or there's jump in the pool. I think sometimes, when it comes to boundaries, you have to feel the fear and do it anyway. Don't be toxic, don't over swing. But when it completes the cycle of I set a boundary, the person responded or didn't, and now that cycle's closed, I think it feels pretty good.

Alan Lazaros:

I have to say one last thing. Oh my goodness, go ahead. One of my clients, he's a YouTuber and he's like dude, I'm getting some hate on YouTube. I was like ah, here we go, Can we take a look? We pull up share screen Boom, boom, boom he. I was like ah, here we go, Can we take a look? We pull up share screen Boom, boom, boom. He's doing three shorts a day Crushing.

Kevin Palmieri:

Two long forms. It's a great way to get hate right there.

Alan Lazaros:

Four long forms a month, one long form a week and three shorts a day. Sicko, love it. You know who you are. We pull it up and he's talking about the 80-20 principle and comments what muscle.

Alan Lazaros:

Oh yeah, tough, that is a burn yeah, that's a tough one and I'm saying I'm saying, dude, you gotta say something, because this person is low on the, so he needs to build his self-worth and his courage. I said you don't have to attack back, but you gotta say something. And he's like what would five be? And I said very mature period, or that seems like this comment is obviously a great use of your time. You gotta say something. You don't have to throw stones back, but you have to shield, bump it a little bit, and the old me wouldn't have my. The old me would have been like I'll show you one day, I'm just gonna work harder maybe I'll do six short today 20 years.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, and that's just a mistake. So at the end of the day and by the way he comments, they comment back on his comment. Now the algorithm pushes it, he's more likely to win that's fair it's all good, baby. The point is is just don't be disrespected, but also disrespecting other people for disrespecting you and An eye for an eye, we all go blind, so don't over swing but make sure you shield bump a little bit.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think that's a good perspective. I would say, maybe throw the same rock back in a different way. Maybe If you're going to give me 10, I might give you 6. I'm going to use the same rock, just different. I'm going to deploy it differently. That's kind of my thought. What would you have said? I'm jacked. So I would be like anytime, if you want to DM me, you can come to the gym with me Anytime, I'll put you through a workout I was ready to throw in.

Alan Lazaros:

No, no, no, Not that Shit. You know me. Here's my address I hate negative comments.

Kevin Palmieri:

I can't stand it. But if it was, yeah, I hate it. I so I, real quick, before we go, we have, uh, we have clients on youtube that I think they have like 70 as of today, like 71 000 subscribers and I have access to all the back end stuff. What I've been doing is I've been going through their comments to see what it's like and how much hate they get. It's helping me tremendously nice. Yeah, it's helping me tremendously nice. Yeah, it's helping me tremendously for me it's.

Alan Lazaros:

I can't imagine wasting my time sending hate comments. What a giant waste of time but to your point.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think you you do from a. It's not about getting even, it's not about healing the ego, it's about self-worship, honoring yourself yeah, it's honor, it's standing up, stand up. You gotta stand up for yourself. Yeah, you gotta you, and that's what but?

Alan Lazaros:

but that's why I said oh, this comment seems like a great use of your time it's kind of a little dig of why are you? What are you wasting? Oh, then don't watch. Yeah, right, oh, I'm sure you're jacked anything that's probably a little over swing, but it's very important To do it in a mature way.

Kevin Palmieri:

I like the. I like the. Let me know when your, when your YouTube channel Is live so I can check out your content. I like that. It's like Alright, you want to Bitch about my stuff, go make your own and make it better. If you can do that, that's I like that. Say that because I'm a fucking coward. All right, by the way what are the chances?

Alan Lazaros:

what are the chances that person saying what muscle is jacked, uh slim to? None yeah slim to none, yeah, compliments only uh flow down, hate only flows up.

Kevin Palmieri:

That's a really important thing to understand, okay, yeah and again, not on a bumper sticker most of the time. Yeah, that right, there is a bumper sticker worthy we should do an episode on it. We need to talk about money transform pain into health, wealth, life and love drive. If it's up to me, we talk about in, just let's talk about money. We gotta talk about money.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm game I know you are, I know you are. We gotta figure out exactly what I'm really going through it internally. I want to talk about a bunch of different stuff. This episode is a little bit longer, which is good. I thought we were going to be 20 minutes. We're working on a lot of stuff behind the scenes to obviously improve the show always and forever. Just want everybody to know that Next Level Live 2025. April 5th 2025. All day event, totally virtual. Tickets are only $47. You get access to the replay. There's going to be breakout sessions. It's going to be awesome, we promise.

Kevin Palmieri:

If you are looking for a deeper dive into next levelness, when that means health, wealth, life and love if you have a business a lot of different things Alan can help you with. He still has coaching slots available, so we'll have his link in the show notes. And if you're a podcaster who is looking to take your podcast to the next level, we produce 57 podcasts, including this one and Alan and Amelia's and a bunch of other ones. So if you're looking for help in that realm, just reach out. I'm always happy to answer any questions you have about podcasting. I'm not going to say, hey, you need to pay me for these answers. I want to add value, so follow us on social media. Follow us on social media. All that happy jazz as always. We love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you at NLU. We do not have fans, we have family. We'll talk to you all tomorrow.

Alan Lazaros:

Stick up for yourself Next.

Kevin Palmieri:

Level Nation. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros:

We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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