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We Are ALL A Work In Progress - Freestyle Friday (1992)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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Discover how to turn frustration into gratitude. In this Freestyle Friday episode, Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros look honestly at the clash between punctuality and productivity. Is being late always a sign of disrespect, or could it mean something else entirely? They unpack the hidden reasons behind time management struggles, how personal values shape our habits, and why embracing strengths and weaknesses is the key to successful relationships—both in business and life. If you’ve ever struggled to understand why people operate differently than you, this conversation will shift your perspective. Tune in and discover how to make room for efficiency and grace in your daily interactions!

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Show notes:
(3:15) Returning to old routines
(4:44) Handling frustration when people are late
(7:08) Conflicting core values in business
(12:08) The link between punctuality and feeling valued
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(17:27) Trade-offs between strengths and weaknesses
(22:46) Accepting people for who they are
(27:11) Outro

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Kevin Palmieri:

It's easier when you directly benefit from the reason the person's not on time. Me or anybody, In my case specifically, yeah, but other people. When I was really hammering podcasts, there were days where I was back-to-back nine in a row Back-to-back, no time in between. I was never late.

Alan Lazaros:

I can't suddenly be 100% punctual and as productive as I am. There's no chance I promise I've calculated it and there's no possibility that you're going to be Mr Organized and still be able to do what you've been doing with video editing and the comfort and chaos stuff with all the clients.

Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University. I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri.

Alan Lazaros:

And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus.

Kevin Palmieri:

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Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University, next level nation. Welcome back to another episode of next level university, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. Today, for episode number 1992, it's freestyle friday. Alan is holding a cup that says beast, a very nice, I like it iulous, it's pink.

Kevin Palmieri:

I like it. I have a. The shaker cup I use today is pink. It doesn't say Beast on it, unfortunately, but Beast Beast, I just so. Today's Freestyle Friday FYI, for those of you who may be new Freestyle Friday we just come in and have deep talks about whatever comes up. I went. So Some shit has changed over here. I am going back to pre-workout For several reasons. One it's cheaper. Honestly, that's pretty much the biggest reason. I can't really justify buying 36 packs of ghosts for like 30, whatever it is. Oh no, 18 packs for 30 something bucks. It's like good for you, yeah, and honestly, they taste so good. But like there's something to be said about the routine creates identity, for me, definitely so last night before bed I mix up my, my pre-workout, throw a dash of creatine in there, a little NO, a little nitrous oxide powder, nitric oxide powder, and shake it up, throw it in the fridge. I woke up this morning. First thing I did I walked out to the fridge to grab my pre-workout and you were a.

Alan Lazaros:

And I was a beast. Beast. And this episode, brought to you by Pink Shaker.

Kevin Palmieri:

Cups, pink Shaker Cups. It felt like the old days when I used to that's, that was kind of the routine, so it felt really really good. So, yeah, that's something strange. Here's my thought for today's episode when will this go? I don't know.

Kevin Palmieri:

I had a coaching call with the wonderful Emilia because we produce their podcast, evolve Ventures, and she was a couple minutes late. She said thank you so much for your patience. And I said I've been working with your partner for eight years. I'm really good at people being late. And I think she said this. If not, let's pretend she did, because it makes me look good. She said Alan has complimented you and your patience and support when he's late.

Kevin Palmieri:

How did you get to that point? And I said honestly, I get pissed off every time. So here, this is how it goes. I was thinking of this in bed last night. I was like, oh, that would be a cool thing to talk about. First I get frustrated. Okay, that's the first thing I get frustrated. It's like 11.04, 11.05. Check the calendar event Ah, I got pushed to 11.15. This son of a B? Okay, cool. So I start with frustration. Then I get maybe angry, like slightly angry, slightly angry, and then I get grateful and that's pretty much just the process. So maybe that's a lesson for all of us. I'm not at the stage where it's just like oh yeah, man, no worries, be as late as you want, I still get. I still feel it. It still bugs me. I think it always will. I think it's supposed to.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think it's supposed to bug me.

Kevin Palmieri:

That's why I was two minutes late for an interview yesterday and they were like, yeah, we were just shit-talking you because you were late and I was like you should be, you should be shit-talking me because I don't like being late. So, yeah, I deserve it. Shit-talk me all you want, because we were recording an episode and it ran over and I had to run to my other meeting. So I don't think it. I don't know if I ever want to get to the place where it's just like, yeah, it's totally cool, it's, it's, it's okay. I always get to, it's okay. But that's kind of the frustration, anger, rumination, gratitude.

Alan Lazaros:

That is my four step cycle to reformulate feeling unseen, potentially so the first thing here is frustration is always a byproduct of a core value being not honored. Almost always I was Almost always I was going to challenge you on that. I think frustration is one of the most important emotions for positive change. First and foremost, let me clarify I have told everyone that I work closely with that. I need a five-minute buffer. I've told Kevin I need more than that because I see Kevin every day and I'm not hanging out while Kevin sits here. I need that to be very, very, very clear. It's important to understand that. I've talked to Kevin in advance, asked for a buffer and made sure that he is not sitting here just waiting. He has other things to do and I see Kev every day. We've worked together for eight years Okay, even paying clients that I've worked with for years. I've said listen, everyone I work closely with I need a five-minute buffer. I do back-to-backs every single day. I used to have a 15-minute buffer in between sessions and that takes away a ton of slots where I could coach or podcast or train. So, number one this is not if I am going to quote unquote disrespect a core value of Kevin's. It's not without a courageous, honest, vulnerable conversation, because I have a. This is a good opportunity to talk about conversation, because I have a. This is a good opportunity to talk about this.

Alan Lazaros:

We have a core value in conflict. You and I, we always have and we have learned to work together through this, and I think that that's very mature. My core value is being as effective as humanly possible, getting as much done as humanly possible in a given day and maximizing every moment of my time. Your core value is being on time every time. I literally had a conversation with someone yesterday who's a client of mine and, I kid you not, she said anyone who's on time every time obviously isn't doing enough. Now she said something along the lines of this If you're out there yeah, literally, if you're out there listening, you know who you are. And her and I had a sincere conversation where it was.

Alan Lazaros:

Can you imagine just sitting there five minutes early with your hands crossed? She's like no, never. Every moment, every moment is being used. Every moment is building something. Every moment, it's an achiever thing. That's why Emilia was two minutes late. I guarantee you, whatever she was doing prior to that was incredibly important to move a needle towards something. So when kev said he went, got to gratitude. What he means by that is over the years. I own a business with emilia. Do you know how fucking awesome that is? Everything just gets done, it just rolls and it grows on its own. I wake up this morning and there's an email sent to our clients preparing them for a meeting we have later tonight. Like she's always just rolling balls forward constantly, she's a self-starter. Is she a couple minutes late every now and then?

Alan Lazaros:

yes but she's always building, always. So the benefit to working with me is that, essentially, I'm always moving needles forward for us, and it's really cool to be on a team where there's always momentum. I'm always creating momentum, always creating momentum. If I was on the couch eating Cheetos while you're sitting here, that's a different fucking conversation. Well, I wouldn't get to gratitude if that was the case. Yeah, it's a different fucking conversation. Well, I wouldn't get to gratitude if that was the case. It's definitely not the case. That I promise you.

Alan Lazaros:

And I know that obviously I do know. You know that, but I also need to make this clear because our listeners we bring them behind the scenes but out of context it makes me look like a dickhead Fair, and so I want to make sure there's the proper frame. And so the core value that I have is, kev, make sure you're using every moment of your time as effectively as possible, and we did an episode where Kevin interviewed me about productivity and, at the end of the day, when you own a company and the people who work at that company, their time is the most valuable resource of the company, and Kevin is the most valuable person who works in terms of productivity and skillset and the brand and the company Okay. So if you ever are just kind of sitting there waiting for me, that would be a core value in conflict in terms of productivity. But my, my point of this is that I also go to gratitude too, because I you're always on time time and I know a lot of people really appreciate that about you and I've I've gone in phases where I had an on time record I think it was like 50 in a row or something and Then I eventually was like you know what this is.

Alan Lazaros:

This is affecting me negatively. Now, I do want to make this clear too if it's a 10 out of 10 Thing, I am on time. So, for example, I gave a training in person at WPI paid two months ago. I was 20 minutes early to that. However, I'm not sitting there three hours just with my hands crossed, totally prepared, because I have other clients. I have 26 clients between Kevin and I. It's over a hundred now, and so, at the end of the day, my core value is productivity. Kevin's core value is being on time. Those two do conflict. They just do. And this other person that I was talking to, the female client that I have she's always a couple minutes late and that would never bother me because she's an achiever and I know that she's not twirling her thumbs and I know that she's maximizing every single moment. I mean, we are tracking R&R. She can't even get a half hour a day. She's a world-class workhorse and it's just two different types of people, that's all.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, yes, for me. I just wanted to start from. My goal with sharing, that was just the fact that it's Everything's always a work in progress. That was really my thought. With that, again, I'm not at the place where I'm so enlightened that it's like, no, nothing bothers me at all. My response to getting bothered is just different than it used to be. It's not about me, I don't personalize it. That's not what it is. Different than it used to be. It's not about me, I don't personalize it. That's not what it is. It's not what did it used to be? I felt unappreciated, I think.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, I felt unappreciated. Being late makes people feel insignificant Not everyone.

Kevin Palmieri:

Not everyone.

Alan Lazaros:

Not everyone. There's some people that don't care at all.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think it's easier when you directly benefit from the reason the person's not on time right you mean in?

Kevin Palmieri:

your case me, or anybody. In my case specifically, yeah, but other people. I mean when I, when I was really hammering podcasts, there were days where I was back to back nine in a row. No back to back, no time in between. I was never late. Ever, ever, ever, ever. I would literally have to crawl out of the office because I had to pee so bad and I couldn't stand up straight. Now again, I'm not telling you that's what you should do. That's probably detrimental to myself and my body, but I I wanted to over deliver like I wanted this is also a core wound thing.

Alan Lazaros:

From what I've understood. There are certain people who there are certain people who I'm certain it doesn't bother them, of course.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, of course.

Alan Lazaros:

At all. They and and vice people come to me. They'll be two or three, four, five minutes late, whatever, sometimes more, and they're like I'm so sorry, I'm so, so I'm late. I said you're good, life happens, of course we're good. So it's one of those things where it's not. Uh, I can be late for kev and then I'm mad at him. You, I can guarantee you, I've never once been upset when you were late. No, no, no, is that fair?

Kevin Palmieri:

yes, yes, I think it goes back to experiences too. It's like, dude, if you were, really, if you let's say alan and kev alan's really smart, has really good job opportunities, is really valuable to the company he's at. They're not going to give you shit if you're five minutes late, they don't care. That's not how they they're, that's not how they're thinking. Most of the jobs I worked at if you were late you were jeffed and in some cases, fired. Yeah, in trouble I there's a lot of. I remember we would have to. And again, this is why I'm so focused on logistics and for some reason, like unconsciously, I'm really good with time and expecting how long things will take. But we would leave from Massachusetts, we would have a six or seven hour drive to New Jersey and we had to get there to start the job at a certain time. So you have to factor in I'd rather be there 25 minutes early than 10 minutes late.

Alan Lazaros:

It's not even an option, right? So I well, there are certain things where it's not an option.

Kevin Palmieri:

Of course those are the things that of course, but that was essentially everything for me at that time. It was like all of that was was the 10 out of 10 importance, it seemed.

Alan Lazaros:

NLU listener. What is happening? I just wanted to jump in here and let you know if you want to get to the next level faster. We have a free virtual monthly meetup at the first Thursday of every month. You can connect with like-minded people and become a bigger part of this amazing global community. The link to register will be in the show notes For anyone out there bringing this up.

Alan Lazaros:

What are the things that frustrate you? Because I think it's a standard in conflict, it's a core value in conflict, it's something hindering you from your goal and the way that other people make you feel when they violate one of your core values. There's something to learn in that. And where do you draw the line right? And and frustration. There's something to learn from it. That's what I would hone in on here. So, yesterday and again, this is not kevin and I shitting on each other. This is us bringing you behind the scenes. Kev has the wrong links in his bios all the time. So we're posting on social media. We're having an impact, we're inspiring, motivating and educating. We're putting ourselves out there, and there are just certain things that will never change.

Alan Lazaros:

Kev will never update his certain things unless you tell me to yeah, yeah exactly, but that's one of the one of the things that's really important is you have to decide. Okay, am I really going to change kev? Do I even want to dude? The beginning we were trying to change each other. Of course, I remember being like, oh, I'm going to try to be the fucking punctual guy. Dude, it's never going to happen. It's fair. I'm not. It's not that I can't be on time, it's that I don't want to orient my entire existence around making sure I'm not two minutes late. I, and it's not even who the fuck I am. And that's like me asking Kevin to like, if you were to, what's a good example of this Organization? Organization's a good one. You got a new MacBook Pro Awesome. Your old computer? I guarantee you there was shit everywhere.

Kevin Palmieri:

Oh yeah, One of the reasons I need a new laptop is because I had gone too far, but but. I am keeping this thing pristine. At the end of every week I go through and delete everything that doesn't need to be there anymore. It's already been uploaded. I never did that with my old laptop.

Alan Lazaros:

Well, I think I've gotten better at being punctual as well, except for the areas where I told you in advance I wouldn't be but to your point.

Kevin Palmieri:

it depends on what you value. If you value, I value adding value, but not as much as you do. I value being on time a little bit more than I value adding value.

Alan Lazaros:

You value being on time way more than I do 100%. You value being on time more than almost anyone I've ever met.

Kevin Palmieri:

And I think to your point, that's somebody, there's a, you know what this comes down to.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm so sorry to interrupt you Seriously?

Kevin Palmieri:

we'll get back to you.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm so sorry this comes down to the strength, with every weakness. 100%. My strength is productivity.

Kevin Palmieri:

My weakness is punctuality Perfect, and is the pain in the ass worth it? Is the strength worth the weakness, 100%.

Alan Lazaros:

That's it I was trying to get to that for quite some time on this episode, because I'm like, what is it that I'm trying to say here? Because why would we just accept each other for the stupid shit we do?

Kevin Palmieri:

Because there's a massive benefit. You want to know why? Because it's worth it. Yeah, yeah, there's a massive benefit. You can't.

Alan Lazaros:

I can't suddenly be 100% punctual and as productive as I am. There's no chance. I promise I've that you're going to be, mr, organized and still be able to do what you've been doing with video editing and the comfort and chaos stuff with all the clients.

Kevin Palmieri:

I like the name a little bit.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, exactly, I'm not trying to make Kevin like me and Kevin's not trying to make me like him. We tried that. It didn't work, and what we're trying to do is be the best version of ourself. And there's a strength of every weakness weakness, and that's what this is right. That's, that's exactly what this is I was.

Kevin Palmieri:

I was having a conversation with clients who are in a partnership and one of the one of the partners in the partnership said how, how have you gotten to the place where you feel comfortable, like you know you're safe, working with alan? And I was like, because he's giving me credit for the thing, he's accepted the strengths that I have and accepted the unique weaknesses that come with them. But he knows at this point that the strengths drastically outweigh the weaknesses. That's all, and I feel safe. Now again, does that mean I can just let it ride? No, it's not a permission slip to be worse, intentionally.

Kevin Palmieri:

No that's not what it is, but it's just the understanding. I'm never going to be as organized as Alan. I'm not. I don't fucking want to be, I just don't want to be.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'll find the thing if I need it. Will it take me a little bit longer? Sure, I'll find it. It's here somewhere, I'll find it. It's, it's here somewhere, I'll find it. But maybe my thing is like but I'll be on time more than Alan will, because for me it's the. This is it. It's. It's so much deeper when I'm late to a meeting that that screws with me more. I don't care if it messes with the other person, messes with me, it's not about the other person, it's about me. 100, I'm insecure and it's like oh my, god'm sorry. I made a first. I wanted the experience to go above and beyond and, as somebody who could essentially never rely on his skills, I had to be on time, I had to have a good personality and I had to do a really good job. And those were kind of the things Like if you want to win, you do these three things. I'm still running the same thing.

Kevin Palmieri:

You just said I had to do really good job. There you go. That's a good example of it. But my point for this entire episode is not to shit on alan, or alan to shit on me, or us to shit on each other. It's none of that, obviously that's.

Alan Lazaros:

That's not what we're when you had shared at the beginning about the late thing I I start. I finally started to understand what actually is a credit hit well, I was hoping that the gratitude part would.

Kevin Palmieri:

I wouldn't be grateful if I hated you, I know it's not anything.

Alan Lazaros:

It's not anything that changed in you or us. I just am now aware of what that does. I I never used to think like I'm not late because I can't be on time. I know I'm I'm late because I did six things to move the needle on that were more important. And it's not that you're not important. I'll be right there, like, but I don't think anyone can go. I mean, how could anyone possibly know that? So in their head it's like, oh well, he just can't be punctual. Of course, well, of course I could. Well, it depends on, but I would also love to see you do 51 coaching, trainings and podcasts back to back per of them.

Kevin Palmieri:

Nobody knows you're doing that.

Alan Lazaros:

Exactly, and so no one cares. But at the end of the day, it really does come down to just to not make this about Kevin and I. It comes down to the strength that comes with every weakness. And I'm glad that you feel safe about this too, because one thing that came up for me when we were talking Kevin's very creative, creative dude right Likes raps on the side, loves cars, watches more weird YouTube videos than fucking anybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all these things right, and his creative process has helped us tremendously in business. So I can't be pumped that he's creative and then be annoyed when he comes with a dumbass business idea Like that's what comes with being a creative. You come with with a dumb ass business idea like that's what comes with being a creative. You, you come with dumb ideas. I have and and that's okay, yeah, of course. Hey, this, this might be genius, this might be dumb as shit what are you?

Kevin Palmieri:

what if?

Alan Lazaros:

still, what if we opened a fucking?

Kevin Palmieri:

you and I car shop the idea that you're talking about. You know there's something to it.

Alan Lazaros:

We just haven't got there yet yeah, yeah, you're funny, there's something to it. Um, and just like kev can't want a type a structured discipline. Metrics. Have everything, build momentum, have it all engineered and reverse engineered and all the statistics and the the high probability of statistical success, and then expect me to be super easy going at a fucking barbecue and play call of duty and drink whiskey with them on the weekend you don't get both, and that's a really good lesson for life everybody.

Alan Lazaros:

Uh, and as preachy as this is coming off, you don't get both. I can't want a super achiever girlfriend who crushes it in our business and in her business and who pays half of this amazing life that we have and be upset that she works all the time. That's what built all of this like, if you want an in-shape partner, they're gonna have to go to the gym. If you want a business owner partner who has the ability to make their own schedule, well, they get to make their own schedule, but they're also gonna have to work some holidays and some weekends or whatever it is. And I really do appreciate your wife Taryn so much for this, because I think to myself, like what we're building and what we're doing for our dreams, and I want everyone out there thinking about their dreams not ours, but self-improvement, holistic dream chasers. All of us are dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros:

Whatever the dream is, your dream is requiring more of you than most husbands, and I sometimes feel guilty for that, because I sat Kev down at one point and I said, dude, I have to do this. So I need to make sure you actually want this, because I have to do this regardless. This is who I am, this is who I've always been, this is who I've always wanted to be, and it comes with a lot of shit that sucks, but this is. I have to do this, with or without you. And I want to do it with you, but I need to make sure you're actually game, because what you're signing up for is fucking brutal. And I understand that you're not going to be able to have a bunch of friends, and I understand you're not going to be able to travel all the time, and I understand you're going to have to be available on weekends and I understand and all this stuff. And I think that that is a really mature way to be.

Alan Lazaros:

And I think most business partnerships, most partnerships, most intimate partnerships, don't work long term because people aren't being honest and upfront with. This is who I am, these are my core values, these are my strengths, these are my weaknesses. I will work on the weaknesses, especially if they're affecting you negatively, but I'm never going to be different than who I actually am. We all have an essence and I'm so convinced. The only way to be fulfilled in life is to lean into your essence. Kevin's essence is more creative than mine. My essence is more structured than his, and so we can either work together and be yin and yang, or we can constantly butt heads and not accomplish anything.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, how do you, how do you shine up, improve, create a higher quality of your natural tendencies, your positive natural tendencies? I think that's the thing it's like. Do that Really double, triple, quadruple down on your strengths and then mitigate your weaknesses and then, as you do it long enough, you start to it's a whole thing. It's a weird. It's a weird journey. You think you're supposed to be somebody else and like, yeah, you're supposed to adopt some behaviors and thought processes that other people have, but at the end of the day, if you change too much, you're not you anymore and then you're going to be miserable. Anyway, speaking of being on time, we have two minutes. I have a coaching call with a wonderful client right after this, so we do have to hop.

Kevin Palmieri:

Next Level Nation tickets are live and available for purchase. We'll have the link in the show notes for Next Level Live 2025, april 5th All day event, totally virtual Tickets are only $47. We want to make sure it's affordable. Again, we talked about it last episode. You can have your whole family watch it. I don't care, the more the merrier. We just want to add as much value as humanly possible. So, yeah, if you have been listening to the podcast and you're thinking, wow, this is valuable, I enjoy this. I to go deeper, but I don't know where to go. This is a really good opportunity for that, so we'll have the link in the show notes below.

Alan Lazaros:

If anyone out there wants more structured discipline, goals, priorities, metrics, habits, skills, identity. If you feel like you're a creative who needs some guardrails, let me be your guardrails. A lot of creative people that are these incredibly heart-driven creatives. They want to have an impact in the world, but they need structure. Structure doesn't come naturally to everybody. I have one client I'm thinking of right now. Her name's Courtney and she's the most creative, just wonderful, awesome. And I told her I said all we're going to do is channel that awesomeness in one direction. I'm an engineer, you're a creative. It works really fucking well together. So if anyone out there resonates with that, reach out. My link will be in the show notes. Reach out and, yes, I will be on time with a five minute buffer Five minute buffer.

Kevin Palmieri:

I love it. Look you gotta make the rules of the game winnable.

Alan Lazaros:

That's it.

Kevin Palmieri:

You gotta make the rules of the game winn each and every one of you and NLU. We don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Alan Lazaros:

Stay Next Level, Next Level Nation.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros:

We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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