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Doom Loop VS Success Loop (1994)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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What’s keeping you from making real progress? Many people get trapped in a doom loop—a cycle of self-doubt, hesitation, and inaction that keeps them stuck. In this episode, Kevin and Alan explain how to shift from that pattern into a success loop, where small steps lead to real growth. They explore how financial habits, confidence struggles, and social status choices can impact long-term success. If you’ve ever felt stuck or uncertain about your next move, this episode will give you the clarity and motivation to take action.

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Show notes:
(2:23) The doom loop and why we get stuck
(5:55) The success loop and how to break free
(7:09) The financial doom loop trap
(9:12) Long-term thinking and smart sacrifices
(12:38) The importance of short-term trade-offs
(16:10) At NLU, we want you to win! So, we’re giving tools and resources to ensure your success. Join our Monthly Meet-up every first Thursday of the month at 5 PM. https://bit.ly/4dPeTiD
(18:00) The hidden cost of social status
(22:23) The missing middle: How to connect goals to action
(25:14) Success doesn’t a

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Kevin Palmieri:

You need to get some level of proof. That's what I would. Sit Kev down and say Kev, of course you're scared of doing it. You've never done it and you have built it up to this giant monster that it is not. Your imagination is powerful and right now you're using it in a way to anchor you, as opposed to catapult you the how is the success and the doom loop.

Alan Lazaros:

Let's just create a success loop. There's gonna be failure in there. There's going to be pain in there. You can't have joy, success, fulfillment and extraordinary results without sadness, pain, failure, rejection, like it's a pendulum.

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Kevin Palmieri:

Next Level University completely free. Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation, welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. Today, for episode number 1,994, 1994, an easier time the doom loop versus the success loop. So back in the day, back in the early days of it was the hyperconscious podcast. At this point we were creating frameworks, and I didn't know what a framework was. So Alan's like we need some frameworks.

Kevin Palmieri:

Man, I was like, yeah, cool, what is that though? Yeah, I'm all for it, but what is that, though? And he's like well, it's like a, I don't know. It's kind of like a, it's like a circle. It's like a circle, it's like a systemized explanation of what something is. You didn't say that. That's what I think it is, and I was like, okay, and one of the things that we were very, very focused on in the in the very beginning and we still are today is helping people build self-belief.

Kevin Palmieri:

I realized pretty early on, and you and I together, that the reason I never built self-belief is because I didn't think I had enough belief to do something. I didn't do it, it proved to me that I wasn't capable and it just. It caught me in this loop and I think we talked about it recently, where I said the only way to get over a fear is to kind of go through the fear. That is the success loop, but the opposite of that is the doom loop. Now you have dug deeper into this than I, so I'm going to kick it to you, but I just wanted to have a little. I just wanted to show off a little bit about I know things too also kev created something called the confidence conundrum.

Kevin Palmieri:

It was world class then alan was like it's not confusing enough, I'm going to add 12 more steps to it.

Alan Lazaros:

Okay, sure, now I try to use a star, five-pointed star for all my loops. There's a book by Stephen Hawking called A Brief History of Time, and Stephen Hawking is one of the most renowned intelligent scientists of history. You know Stephen Hawking.

Kevin Palmieri:

I do. What was his scientific study Like what was his thing, Astrology.

Alan Lazaros:

Astrology, stars, space but it was based on math. When you read A Brief History of Time, it's actually pretty awesome how simple this might be me projecting. I think he breaks it down into a very simple way. I think he's a good writer I really do. I've enjoyed it, but anyway.

Alan Lazaros:

So the point of this is in his analysis of the cosmos. He says that everything in physics so physics was his thing, a lot of things, but physics everything in physics, which is the study of the physical world, comes down to a few basic principles. Everything comes down to simple rules. When you put humans in the mix, it's, it gets less simple.

Alan Lazaros:

And so my, my scientist, if that's what you want to call it I identify as someone who's a scientist, which just means you do the scientific method. You just are constantly observing and learning and drawing experiments and trying and failing, and it doesn't matter. What does matter is I've spent my entire life contemplating myself, others in the world to some extent more now as an adult, but really my whole life, and I I break things down into these simple principles that I think apply to everyone, but they apply to everyone in a little bit of a different way, depending on your core wound. Okay, so here we go. So I have a client shout out to you. I got to give him a shout out too, because this client has done three calls in a row with no voice and still showed up to the coaching with the chat Respect.

Alan Lazaros:

That's what I'm saying. So you know who you are. Get that voice back. He has it back now, I think. Congrats. Imagine three hours with me where he's just typing in the chat.

Kevin Palmieri:

I mean, I already talk too much.

Alan Lazaros:

I can't imagine it because I've been there. It was fucking awesome, I'm just saying so. We came up with this doom loop and the success loop, and we're just going to use this as an example, because there's doom loops and success loops and everything Seriously. So the doom loop for kevin's confidence conundrum is I don't believe in myself, therefore I don't set a goal. Therefore, is I don't believe in myself, therefore I don't set a goal, therefore I don't get out of my comfort zone. Therefore I prove to myself I'm not as good as I'm not good, therefore I never believe in myself. And then rinse and repeat aka you are stuck.

Alan Lazaros:

The doom loop is always associated with being stuck, feeling like you're stuck, feeling like you can't get out, feeling like there's no way out. Then the success loop is the opposite. It's a growth loop, it's an upward trajectory, it's an aspirational, goal-oriented thing. Okay, so here we go. So I don't want anyone to be offended by this. We did this behind the scenes. I didn't intend to share it back then.

Alan Lazaros:

At the end of the day, this is one of the doom loops in personal finance, but I don't. Yeah, I guess my concern is that you'll be offended, but my job is not to offend anyone. My goal is not to offend anyone, my goal is to help. So if anyone identifies being stuck in this doom loop, just let me preface this with you're not alone. I would say. The majority of the population is in this doom loop financially, and I just want to preface it. Okay, all right. So step one in this doom loop this is a doom loop. This is where people get stuck in. Personal finance is you are emotionally immature and think short term. Number two you spend money on short term pleasure and shiny objects. Number three you increase social status temporarily and social value and get social validation. You buy those new shoes, that new car, that new beamer. Have getting concert tickets.

Kevin Palmieri:

That's a big one for people out there.

Alan Lazaros:

Concert tickets number four you feel significant, special and it feels like you're making progress. But number five you're actually slowly building up debt that's harder and harder to climb out of over time. And then you rinse and repeat. That's harder and harder to climb out of over time. And then you rinse and repeat. That's an example of a personal finance doom loop and that client came to me and said, hey, can we create a doom loop and a success loop for finance? Because I'm a finance coach. He's getting certified right now, he's almost done and he's going to be a finance coach. He's actually got a couple clients right now. Okay, number one of the success loop. So this is the success loop. So everyone think about a time in your life, maybe now, where you were stuck in that doom loop. Okay, this is.

Alan Lazaros:

This is the alternative equation, alternative option. Number one you are emotionally mature and a rational adult who thinks long-term. Tons of fun there. Number two you invest money on personal growth, tools for productivity and long-term strategic investments. Number three you temporarily decrease social status and external validation and everyone thinks you're a fucking loser. I'm kidding, really selling it. Yeah, really selling it, but seriously. I mean, emilia and I share a car, right, that's not cool, but it is cool because we save a ton of money. Anyways, all right. Number four you feel alone but deeply fulfilled, since you know you're making exponential long-term progress. And then, number five you slowly grow into someone of massive value and you build wealth that starts to compound exponentially. So Emilie and I are building wealth and it might not look cool to share a car, especially for a man A man's supposed to have his own car. I could care less and ultimately we're building wealth and we're saving money on insurance and on the car payment, and, and, and, and, and, and. I'm not saying anyone else needs to share a car. It's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, if you want to build in a success loop, it almost always is temporary social ostracization, for lack of better phrasing.

Alan Lazaros:

I have two clients we did relationship talks, coaching earlier today. They're a married couple and the wife soon to be wife actually in this relationship they're engaged wants to go to Africa on a horse safari. Looks awesome, it's going to cost a lot of money. And they have dreams. They have a 10-year roadmap. Our coaching sounds awesome, I'm sure. But ultimately, every one of our clients we do long-term strategic vision Like, okay, what do you want to accomplish in the next 10 years? Boom, boom, boom. There's literally a timeline every year quarter, boom, break it down, awesome. Okay.

Alan Lazaros:

So, married here, engagement here, kids here boom. So everything has to shift. So she found this safari. She wants to do it with her sister and immediately we have to shift everything to make that fit. So it's like, okay, maybe that leapfrog house at in 2027 doesn't need to happen. What if we could stick it out? She literally asked me that. She said what if we could stick it out and actually live here for 10 years? Because they just got a new home? It's like I could. And I asked her this I said okay, how many kids are you guys intending on, assuming everything goes well? She said two, maybe three. I said, okay, could you imagine worst case scenario raising three children for the next decade in that house?

Alan Lazaros:

to wait for the dream home, because the dream home's pretty substantial and they're going to need to build some wealth. Uh, and she said I, I think. So, I think we could do a bathroom in the basement, because the only problem with this house is, yeah, it's small, but it's not that bad. It's there's only one bath. I said, okay, well, he's like, she's like. Okay, well, his dad's a plumber, he's going to help us with the plumbing. We're going to get a bathroom. So here's the deal.

Alan Lazaros:

My point of this is the moment that you add something into your future, that's a goal or a dream bucket list, whatever it might be. Now you have to. You have to re-change the, the uh way in which you do things and and the point of this success loop is, anytime you're in a success loop, this this is the unfortunate part, and this is why most people don't stay in success loops long is because she basically has to take a social status hit in the short term in order to have this $4,000 trip in their roadmap. They're not winning when, in reality, when they get the horsey farm, they're going to be overnight successes, and I just can't stand how, how, that's so misunderstood. It's like it's really cool to save money. That's way cooler than spending money.

Alan Lazaros:

For sure, but unfortunately, you know, rappers like to buy giraffes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Rappers buy a bunch of dumb shit.

Alan Lazaros:

People in general buy a bunch of dumb shit Rappers for some reason especially, and they make it seem cool when in reality they're not fulfilled a lot of the time Not always, but a lot of the time, Not always.

Kevin Palmieri:

And many of them are very broke behind the scenes. You just don't know it. That's the other thing. The life cycle of a rapper is very short. I mean, the life cycle of a successful rapper is just very short. Very few people make it a decade in an industry like that. What's the? I don't? I feel like it's kind of a dumb question, but this is what I was thinking. I think of it as treading water. So some people are like actively swimming. There's other people who are treading water. I feel like treading water is kind of in the doom loop, but I think giving up is when you start to sink. Yeah, that's, that's kind of when you give up.

Alan Lazaros:

What did you think about? So? Frameworks, loops, doom loop, success loop, no matter what goal you have, no matter what dream you have heart-driven, but no BS, holistic self-improvement for dream chasers. One of the best examples of this is in order to actually build muscle, sometimes you have to get fluffy in order to do so. You're gonna. You know, if you have abs right now and you want to build muscle, you're probably gonna have to temporarily lose your abs, like right now.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm shooting for 205. I'm getting a little bit fat and I it's hard for me to see myself get fatter, for lack of a better phrasing. Maybe fat's the wrong label, but I'm getting fluffy for sure. But I know that it'll be worth it when I rip it up and I have much more muscle. So everything's like that. That's the way the world's set up. It's almost like you have to temporarily take away things social status now, for more status later, for more results later and so if you're going for social status, you're almost guaranteed to lose, because you are trying to hang on to something that inevitably needs to go in order to you might win now, but you're going to lose eventually.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, that's the. That's all it is is, if you're playing purely and I know we talked about this a lot on the last episode we've been diving into the social versus real world. If you're optimizing for social, you probably have two to five years, but eventually it turns. Imagine this there's a person who works out so they can put their workout on social media versus a person who works out behind the scenes. Nobody sees them. They're sweating all the time, they're pushing themselves, they're failing. Their workouts are ugly. Nobody would want to watch their workouts. In 5 years, I'm willing to bet that second person is going to be in better shape 100% somebody asked me recently on a podcast.

Kevin Palmieri:

They said what's your financial philosophy? I was like just do what Alan tells me pretty much. But if I had to have my own Gift cards, that don't work. Yeah, right now that's like no, I got it to work. It works on Amazon. Everything works on Amazon Strong work, but nowhere else. Evidently. Car wash Nope. Gas works on Amazon Strong word but nowhere else. Evidently. Car wash Nope. Gas station Nope. Restaurants, nope.

Alan Lazaros:

Can't use it. I literally went to the car wash. Let me see if it works. I'll get a cheap car. What kind of gift card Is it like? A credit card gift card?

Kevin Palmieri:

It's a Visa. It's a Visa. Damn freak. Am I going to do Next time? Just ask for a straight cash homie.

Alan Lazaros:

Now I know straight cash homie Can't go wrong.

Kevin Palmieri:

But what was I saying? Oh, now it's almost like the more access to money and again I understand this is going to sound privileged in a way, but sit with me the more access to money I have, the less exciting my life has gotten, because I have to and I want to save more.

Alan Lazaros:

In a weird way.

Kevin Palmieri:

It's like you have the most money in the bank account that I've ever had in my entire life and I'm literally thinking tonight it's like alright, ufc's on, it's free. That's cool. I'm either gonna go with a wrap or pizza, like which one's cheaper? Well, if I get a large thin crust, that'll hit my calories, and I was like that's probably going to be cheaper 18 bucks no, not cheaper. The wrap is actually cheaper. So I think I'm going to go with the wrap, nice. But it's literally that's kind of the thought process now and that's very, very, very, very weird for me NLU listener what is happening?

Alan Lazaros:

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Kevin Palmieri:

Now here's the weird thing If I had that thought process five years ago, I'd have way more money than I do now but I didn't, for sure.

Kevin Palmieri:

But I didn't, because I wanted to not five years ago necessarily but I wanted to look like I was winning. I wanted to look like I had nice things, and oftentimes that created something behind the scenes where I didn't really have that nice of things. And I think a really good way to think about it and a really good way to look at it is right now there's somebody that you know that's taking vacations all over the place or they're buying a bunch of shit. They have a bunch of cars Like where the hell do you get all the money for that? Unless they are balling, which they could be they most likely have very bad philosophies around money and in 10 years, things are probably going to look drastically different. Well, if you're pinching pennies and you're using coupons and you're using stuff that probably seems somewhat embarrassing, that's going to be the thing.

Kevin Palmieri:

That is a massive strength eventually. Just like there's two people, One person wants to speak or both people want to speak, One person just doesn't speak because they say you know what, I don't really want to look bad. So they look good in front of the scenes. They don't really ever speak. They put pictures up. Their pictures are all catered. They look good, they're on vacay blah, blah blah, all this stuff.

Alan Lazaros:

They rent a Harvard classroom for $10,000. They could do that. They can do that.

Kevin Palmieri:

But they're not speaking. They take a picture. Yeah, they take pictures no audience.

Alan Lazaros:

They can literally yeah, Second person. Why would it be?

Kevin Palmieri:

unethical. In my opinion it's the most unethical. Second person does a video every day and at the beginning they are garbage and they're not good. Cool If the first year. I won't even say that there will be an amount of time. It depends on how much it is for you. I don't know where people don't believe in you, where they laugh at you and that other person looks like they're winning more than you. But five years down the line, seven years down the line, ten years down the line, you go to a wedding with that person and that person is speaking at the wedding and you're speaking at the wedding. You are going to blow them out of the fucking water. Nice, and it's not even going to be close. Nobody will know what you went through to get there and, honestly, it's a wedding.

Alan Lazaros:

Everybody's going to be drunk. You won't get invited to the wedding because you won't have any friends. You might not get invited. You'll be too busy behind the scenes speaking.

Kevin Palmieri:

It's very it's very possible, and most of the people at the wedding are probably under the influence, so they don't care. It's not like they're like. Oh my goodness, what a beautiful display of communication they're probably not going to care.

Alan Lazaros:

Communication you hit all 25 impact points but you will.

Kevin Palmieri:

Communication, but you will and you'll feel good about that. And there's there's something to be said about that. There's very common after a heartbreak, people disappear and I think people disappear. And I think people disappear for two reasons. One, because they're just trying to compose themselves and they're riding the struggle bus Been there. Other one is they go into that mode of I am just going to grow and I don't care who sees, I don't care if anybody sees, I'm going to go be my myself. I'm going to grow and in a year or two years I'm going to come out as a completely different human Again. Insert Rocky or any inspirational movie montage here, but you get the point.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, best thing ever, love it. I. I think about this a lot. I I've had a lot of clients tell me, ask me, like, what do you do? Like, how have you dealt with this? How did you deal with this? How did you deal with this? This because, as you, as you get more successful, that there's a lot of shit that comes with it. I'm acting like I'm so successful, you are the most I the most ever of all time. No, but I'm more successful than I used to be and there's all these things that come with it. It's like, how did you? I said, let it drive you let it drive.

Kevin Palmieri:

See, that's always hard because that never worked for me. Yeah, I wish it did?

Alan Lazaros:

what are you driven by? You're not driven by the fact that you were written off, dude. I absolutely am.

Kevin Palmieri:

No, because I wrote myself off more than anybody else did. Damn, that is the truth.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm no, I appreciate it I won't play the victim card on that like I had a lot. I mean, you believed in me, matt, believed in me, taryn, believe I had a lot of people that believed in me. My mom never sat me down and said, hey, there's no way you can do this. Like, oh, you want to be a professional fighter. It's like, okay, I'm sad. I'm sad for you and for me, but I'll support that Cool, all right, give that a shot, All right.

Alan Lazaros:

Well, I think that's another episode, but you got to figure out what drives you. The long-term thinking, I think, is wildly underrated. However, last thing I know, we got to jump New client shout out to you. You know who you are, I'll keep it anonymous. We did the sort of vision thing where we close our eyes on the call and I say, okay, think about yourself tomorrow. Got it Okay. Week from now. Got it Okay. Month from now. Got it Okay. Quarter from now. Got it. Got it Okay. Month from now. Got it Okay. Quarter from now. Got it. Starts getting blurry Right. But she said but the long-term vision is there. And she mapped it out with me. It's like okay, so you're going to start this company, You're going to do this and I I know she's not full of it over time Coaching for so many hours, Thousands. I figured this out, Kev. This is brand new for me.

Kevin Palmieri:

Okay.

Alan Lazaros:

Some people can only think short term. Some people can think short term and very long term, spiritually, like they have a vision or a picture of it, very long term. But she said the whole middle's blurry. Oh, said the whole middle is blurry. Oh, I've got the middle. I can teach you the how Go from here to there. That's my jam. I'm an engineer, let's do this. That's really interesting because I connected a lot of dots, because there have been clients in the past where they'll say these big things and then they'll do these other things and they don't connect and it's like what the hell are you doing? And I always would playfully say I've never once said hey, I'm going to build, you know, next level university and it's going to have a global impact, and then, like, go to the beach and Kev would say that never lands.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, no, not really.

Alan Lazaros:

That doesn't land at all.

Kevin Palmieri:

No, because it's like. That's because you're one, you're essentially 99% putting your time into this. You're just more, more, more committed than most people. But there's other people that have companies that can go to the beach. It's just not the same. It's different for us. Fair.

Alan Lazaros:

This person. When I first started coaching her, I was so pumped about this. She said oh, alan, don't worry about it, I'll work 80-hour weeks if I have to.

Kevin Palmieri:

I was like oh, we're going to be fine.

Alan Lazaros:

What? Oh, alan, don't worry about it, I'll work 80-hour weeks if I have to. I was like, oh, we're going to be fine, I can Whatever. What do you want? What do you need? We can do. You're awesome, we're going to be fine. If you're not willing to work, I mean, there's very little that you can actually do, and I know that sounds hardcore, but if you don't have work ethic, you can't achieve big things without lying or being an ethical.

Kevin Palmieri:

And even with a coach yeah, even with a coach you can have the best coach in the world, if that coach can't get you to take action, it doesn't matter.

Alan Lazaros:

Exactly, yeah, and I'm grateful that we're really talking about that, but ultimately, this is brand new for me. There were people in the past that had these big visions but what they did in the present didn't connect to it. Now I know why. She was just really honest of I have no idea. The whole middle is blurry. Okay, the how is my favorite part. The how is the success in the doom loop. Let's just create a success loop. There's gonna be failure in there. There's gonna be pain in there. You can't have joy, success, fulfillment and extraordinary results without sadness, pain, failure, rejection. Like it's a pendulum and in the success loop is always a tradeoff. It's okay, I'm going to deal with the fact that I'm going to only have one car for the next five years, right, but Emilia and I, we're going to build our future on building wealth and we're going to sacrifice one car to make sure that we have that extra money in the snowball, and we'll talk about that another episode.

Kevin Palmieri:

Will you share your wealth with me?

Alan Lazaros:

I'll send you a Visa gift card. No but I appreciate that we are. We're building wealth at NLU. I mean, it's a company, right? I know you are.

Kevin Palmieri:

But personally with me I know we got to jump With me. Personally, you'll give me some of your money also, I'll send you an autograph to 10 by 9. 10 by 9? I'll be on my yacht. You know I'm kidding. I knew that guy. See that guy. I used to work with him. I used to podcast with him.

Alan Lazaros:

Kev. Last question. I know we got to jump Someone who used to, with all the love, be in a doom loop without knowing it Big time. What do you suggest to anyone there? And then what do they need to accept in advance about a success loop?

Kevin Palmieri:

Success doesn't feel like success. For most of it it feels, it almost feels exactly. It feels like the doom loop, with momentum and hopefulness, like the first time you go from the doom loop to the success loop. It's not really going to feel any different. If anything, you might be more scared because you're going to be outside of your comfort zone. It might not go that well and this is just me being honest but you might have a new, reinstilled level of belief that says you know what, okay, not ideal, it wasn't an ideal outcome, but at least I went in the arena, at least I dipped my toe, at least I got exposure to that feeling. It didn't kill me.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think that's one of the things is we're afraid that the thing we're so afraid of is going to kill us, and when we go do it, it doesn't kill us. It gives us a little bit more belief. Again, I don't know any other way. I don't have a hack, I don't have a five second rule, I don't have a. I don't have any of that for this, because it does. It requires action. If the five second rule helps, you take action, run that until the well dries up. But you need to get some new level of proof.

Alan Lazaros:

How do you do stuff that scares you? How do you always do stuff that scares you?

Kevin Palmieri:

I don't really have a choice. I've already determined in my mind that I don't have a choice. Some stuff I don't have to do because it doesn't make sense to go lay in a snake pit. There's really no function for that. It doesn't make any sense.

Alan Lazaros:

But if the the meta thing that you talked about in the last episode. You went to the metaverse and you were interviewed. Were you scared for that? Definitely okay. How did you overcome that? I looked at, so you fucking do it anyway no, so you fucking do it anyway.

Kevin Palmieri:

No, yes, and I looked at the fact that I have 3,000. 3,000 and some odd episodes that I've done. So, like Kev, you've done this so many times.

Alan Lazaros:

I know you're scared. You actually thought about that?

Kevin Palmieri:

Yes, I always do. I always do. I know you're scared, but think about it from a conscious logical. You've done this 3,000 times. Like you don't know anybody who has done as many of these as you have. You're going to be okay.

Alan Lazaros:

I know you're scared. Did you think that by 3,000 you wouldn't be scared?

Kevin Palmieri:

I thought by 200 I wouldn't be scared.

Alan Lazaros:

Never mind 3,000. What a huge letdown that is. I'm convinced.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, that's why I try to tell it like it is. I don't know if I'll ever not be scared. I'm not scared to do this Right. This is very in my comfort zone right now, but it wasn't for the first 150. So you need to get some level of proof. That's what I would sit Kev down and say Kev, of course you're scared of doing it. You've never done it and you have built it up to this giant monster that it is not. Your imagination is powerful and right now you're using it in a way to anchor you as opposed to catapult you. Nice Is what I would say. Alright.

Kevin Palmieri:

Next Level Nation. Join Next Level Nation, our private Facebook group. We'll have the link in the show notes. If you're looking for community right, that's a big part of getting out of the doom loop and into the success loop, having the right people around you. We'll have that for you. The meetup is this Thursday at 5 pm Eastern Standard Time. We'll have that link in there. Dreamliner website Alan's coaching. Next Level Live 2025. We've got a lot of stuff going on and we would love for you to be a part of as much of it as you want. So all that stuff will be in the show notes Go ahead, brother.

Alan Lazaros:

If you're out there. Thank you, brother. There's 168 hours in a week and you have sleep, you have work, you have fitness, you have all these things. Heart driven, but no BS, holistic self-improvement. For dream chasers, time is the thing we're never getting back. Kevin and I are not getting any younger, okay.

Alan Lazaros:

I don't want to wake up 10 years from now and go. What the hell did I do with my time? The meetup is going to help you be more effective with your time so that you can achieve your goals quicker. I hope that you join us, Boom.

Kevin Palmieri:

And it's free, it's free, it's free, free value, podcast, 100% free. Yeah, a little bit deeper.

Alan Lazaros:

Register. Link is in the show notes. As a matter of fact, I will get us on out of here.

Kevin Palmieri:

As always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you. Nlu, we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Alan Lazaros:

Stay Next Level, next Level.

Kevin Palmieri:

Nation. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University.

Alan Lazaros:

We love connecting with the Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next Level family. We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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