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How Often Are You Lying To Yourself? (2034)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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Lying to yourself might be the #1 thing holding you back. In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan get real about the quiet lies we tell ourselves. They break down how self-deception chips away at our confidence, limits our growth, and keeps us stuck. Through honest stories and practical tips, they show how facing the truth and setting real goals can change everything.

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Show notes:
(2:33) Future-you Vs. Present-you choices
(5:01) The connection between goals and self-honesty
(8:15) How to tell when you're lying to yourself
(11:28) Inaccurate beliefs that block success
(13:49) Join the Next Level Podcast Accelerator: Podcasters growing together. Level up your self, podcast, and business. https://www.nextleveluniverse.com/group-coaching/
(16:23) Lying chips away at self-worth and self-respect
(23:47) Raise your standards for self-honesty
(26:37) Outro

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Kevin Palmieri:

One of the most common lies that we tell ourselves is that we're not lying to ourselves, and I think to some degree we are all lying to ourselves in some way, shape or form. It's hard to admit, especially if you don't think you can change it. It's hard to admit if you feel like it's beating yourself up, and maybe the hardest time to admit it is when you're not ready for change yet.

Alan Lazaros:

I think the greatest sign of maturity is one being honest with themselves. Kev some of my clients, the ones that I would bet on the most, are the people that the story to themselves about themselves is the most accurate Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri:

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Alan Lazaros:

I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus.

Kevin Palmieri:

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Kevin Palmieri:

Next Level University anywhere, completely free. Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation today for episode number 2034. How often are you lying to yourself? So we're going to hit you with an 18 minute episode on lies and that's the truth. Pretty good, huh, nice. Pretty good, okay. Somebody commented Shout out, pretty good, okay. Somebody commented Shout out to Jake. Somebody commented on a recent YouTube video it was the.

Alan Lazaros:

Your future self may hate you If you do something, jake If you're watching this Brother, reach out to Kevin and I on Instagram. We would love to To e-connect, to meet you.

Kevin Palmieri:

Let's e-connect. He commented this hands-on. This hands-on episode is one of the best I've heard in a while. I know the principles of future you, but I have to admit to be 100% on the wrong side of that YouTube games, mobile scrolling, dopamine hits. Living for the now but thinking about the future. Thanks, and I hope you guys have a great seminar today.

Alan Lazaros:

Appreciate you man.

Kevin Palmieri:

Nice, appreciate those kind words so much.

Alan Lazaros:

Way to go.

Kevin Palmieri:

Jake, Appreciate you and I'm not calling you out.

Alan Lazaros:

Way to self-honesty on that. 100%. That's a lot of self-honesty. That's good.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm not calling you out on this episode, jake, but that was a really good example of this where, essentially, I know the principle of future you versus current you, and I think a lot of us do. We know that eventually we're going to have to pay the piper With whatever it is. Well, I'll clean up my diet eventually. It's like no, no, you most likely won't, until something bad happens. All of us are guilty of this In some way, shape or form. I used to lie to myself about weed all the time. It's like, ah, this is good for me, I feel good when I do it, this is seven years in the making.

Alan Lazaros:

I tried to tell you you.

Kevin Palmieri:

You know you did. I feel like you should have told me, harder though I do, I don't. At the time I didn't want it.

Alan Lazaros:

I tried.

Kevin Palmieri:

I don't think so. I tried, did you? Did you hold me down and make me smoke the whole pack? No, never, never, once all right, real quick.

Alan Lazaros:

There are several things kevin and I eight years ago that I wish he was harder on me about, because yeah, after I grew that I wish he was harder on me about, because after I made a transformation or a change, I said, kev, he's like I knew. I tried to tell you and I'm like, well, you didn't fucking try that hard man. Oh my God Well.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm glad that that's happening to both of us. I deluded myself.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri:

I deluded myself, and here's the fact. Here's the truth. This is the fact. I didn't want to change yet yeah, I didn't. I still want to smoke weed.

Alan Lazaros:

Not only did you delude yourself, you got me to do a bong rip, no.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm kidding, First of all. Yeah, how you didn't hey, I'm joking.

Alan Lazaros:

Hey, I take full responsibility for my actions. He didn't peer pressure me to do this, I was willing. Worst idea ever, man. I didn't smoke for years and I took a bong rep.

Kevin Palmieri:

You were willing and able. Until you were not able anymore, we had to put Alan to bed. Oh, that was bad. I think we all. Again, it's not that for everybody, but there's something there's no human on the planet who is 100% honest with themselves at all times. I don't think that's even possible. No, it's not Because we don't have the awareness to be 100%. That's what I'm going for, though. You're going for 100%.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm going for 100%. It's an asymptote. You never percent. I'm going for 100. It's an asymptote. You never get there. Shout out to the person who reached out on instagram keep it anonymous who said I really like what you said about the asymptotic function. When it comes to reaching your potential, you get. It's a mountain that gets higher as you climb it. You never fully get there and for those of you out there, asymptote it's. It's the line, the equation that gets closer and closer and closer and closer and closer and closer and closer and closer and closer and closer to 100, but never actually gets to 100. So you never really reach your potential. It's an infinite game. Just a little side math.

Kevin Palmieri:

What do you advise? What would the alan lazarus next level three-step system for self-honesty be? Pretty good, the next level, honesty accelerator.

Alan Lazaros:

Excuse me, Okay, can I just answer and not give you the three things? I'd prefer three if possible. But yeah, let me try. I don't think it's three. The first step would be Okay. The first step is I have a goal To get to a level beyond the level I'm at.

Kevin Palmieri:

Okay, okay, of honesty, of self-honesty.

Alan Lazaros:

No, no, no no. I had a client recently tell me so all of this is impossible without goals. I said, yes, Of course. Let me explain. You're not going to intentionally learn things Like okay, you knew we had Kev one time up in our attic checking something you remember. I don't even remember what it was.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, you had a leaky pipe or something somewhere I was checking on I think. Oh, remember what it was. Yeah, you had a leaky pipe or something somewhere I was checking on, I think oh no, it was your hvac.

Alan Lazaros:

Your hvac was out, yeah god damn, dude, this was a new build. Quote unquote. New build 2006 or 2007. This was built, dude, 20 years. Everything starts going to shit, right? Isn't that the like? I don't know, it's a real I told emilia I want to buy homes that were built in this century. I'm not for the oh, it has character. And again, for anyone out there with a house with character. I see you, I understand.

Kevin Palmieri:

I want functional utility is the way. If it has character, probably has termites as well.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, it's very possible, you know so, anyways, we had kev up in our attic. Why? Why? Because you did weatherization. You didn't wake up in the morning and go. You know, I really think I'm going to go learn about weatherization today.

Alan Lazaros:

No you had a goal to make more money. A company that did weatherization offered you more money and then you went and learned it because you had to, not because you want to. Human beings learn out of necessity. We don't learn for funsies. I learned spreadsheets because I was screwed. If I didn't right, I didn't wake up going. I hope for spreadsheets, okay. So anyways. Number one set a goal. We've talked about how, if you don't have a high self-belief, that's going to be hard. So set a goal congruent with your level of self-belief. It has to be any goal. It can be a week from now. It it has to be any goal. It can be a week from now, it can be a week out, it can be a month out, it can be a quarter out, it can be 10 years out, depending on your level of self-belief. Number one is set a goal. Number two figure out where you're lying to yourself when it has to do with that goal.

Kevin Palmieri:

How do you know?

Alan Lazaros:

I have my answer for this but how do you know when you're lying to yourself, when it's not working? But it takes a while. So I said this earlier on a podcast. I said there's two reasons in this moment why people people aren't achieving their goals. Either number one they haven't waited long enough for the seed to actually become a plant. It might actually work. It's not going to happen overnight and that's alarmingly a lot of the case. What you're doing might actually be working. You just aren't doing it long enough and then you stop before the seed becomes a plant. You stop watering the seed when it's a little under-the-ground thing. You're not going to ever see any results Under the ground thing.

Kevin Palmieri:

I was going to let that slide. I was going to let that slide.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, appreciate it, appreciate it, all right. The second reason is because and I really like the quote that you have for this the reason you're not successful at your goals is not because you don't believe enough in what you already believe. It's because you have inaccurate beliefs, you have an inaccurate understanding. So that's the second one that I would talk about is okay, goal step one is set. The goal step two is figure out where you're inaccurate. And you said how do you do that?

Kevin Palmieri:

you look at how do you know when you're lying to yourself? Alan immediately goes to goal setting.

Alan Lazaros:

It's like goals, goals why do you know when you're lying to yourself?

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, how do you know when you're lying to yourself?

Alan Lazaros:

I think you have your own bullshit radar. This is hard to answer because if you were in my head, my thoughts are very honest. That's why a lot of people don't like me, because I say things that you're not allowed to say, even the dog thing with all the ethnicities I was like whoa, I wonder if that came off wrong.

Alan Lazaros:

I don't think so because a lot of people delude themselves into wanting to believe we're all equal and everyone's the same and it's like well, that's not actually genetically true You're. You're not allowed to say that, though there's a lot of truths in real life that a lot of people aren't, you're not allowed to talk about. That's fair Socially and that's really hard for me because in real life if you don't face the truth, you can't really win, like the Abercrombie model thing. A lot of people would call me mean for saying you can't be an abercrombie model. It's like listen, I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying don't waste your fucking time.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, it's not as mean if I am, if I agree but you wouldn't agree if you were lying to yourself, I know, but if I was lying to myself, that would have broken me. Yeah, to a degree. Right, that's. That's why it's. You can only. You can only give level four feedback to a level four relationship. You can't give level 10 feedback.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, that's one of my biggest problems, for sure. Well, that's, it's a hard thing, for sure, for sure it's brutal, okay, uh, I don't know if I know an answer, because I feel like I do. I think we all have a bullshit radar with ourself and other people, and I think we just have to learn how to use it I would agree with that.

Kevin Palmieri:

Say I don't know if there is. I think you know. That's always my answer. It's like you know you know you ever play the game bullshit with cards long, would you essentially lie about what cards you have?

Alan Lazaros:

so the goal is to get rid of all your cards and if you said three fours but it was actually a two and two fours, they can call bullshit and then you take the whole deck Like you take the whole pile. There's a scene in how to Lose a Guy in 10 Days which I think is an underrated movie. I think that movie's hilarious, but we used that in a Relationship Talks event. Emilia and I coach couples in the Conscious Couples podcast and we used that movie. It was awesome. I love Fern, love fern. Have you seen that film? I know of course not. Oh, it's good, it's funny. I thought you would have seen it because it's a comedy romantic rom-coms aren't for you.

Alan Lazaros:

That's a romantic comment, that's hey, you know underrated movie how to lose a guy in 10 days. It's all the things not to do.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think it's a good study I, I don't disagree, I just was never into mcconaughey, just never did it for me. I didn't, I don't. I never understood why everybody was so drawn to him. A good looking dude charismatic dude but. But his acting is good, but like in the beginning in the rom-coms yeah well, you haven't seen amistad.

Alan Lazaros:

I mean, there's a lot of other ones I've never seen amistad pretty strong. Interstellar unreal, come on. Okay, doesn't matter. I'm not going to defend mconaughey here, although I do have his book behind me Greenlights. I actually thought it was pretty good, so I'll give him that, but anyways, I couldn't put that one down.

Kevin Palmieri:

I was up at 2 am listening to that.

Alan Lazaros:

I heard our business listening to that 100%.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thanks.

Alan Lazaros:

Matt yeah, exactly, okay. Number one set the goal. Number two bullshit radar. I think that you can Listen. It's not socially acceptable to call everyone else out on their bullshit. I'm going to give you an example. And my mom and I are good, so I'm gonna say this and if you were listening, mom, that that's okay. You were here for this. She was at the dinner table and she was like well, the reason I'm fat is because I quit smoking. And I said, mom, like, are there people who quit smoking who aren't fat? And she used the word overweight, I think, but I think she actually might have used the word fat actually. And she said, well, yeah, and I, but I think she actually might have used the word fat actually and she said, well, yeah, and I said, well, that's obviously not it. Then, like, the real reason and I'm saying this because I love you, I actually said it this way, mom the reason you're overweight is because you've never consistently exercised.

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Alan Lazaros:

So we've done this 18 times. We've iterated and iterated and improved and improved. The first four weeks is level up yourself. The next four weeks is level up your podcast. The last four weeks is level up your business. Build a brand underneath your business. The promo code is NLULISTENER all one word. Put that in at checkout for 30% off. It comes to less than $25 per session for the 12 sessions. Kevin or I will be on every single one of them. We hope to see you there.

Alan Lazaros:

Well, if you tell yourself a story, it's because you quit smoking. You're not gonna do anything about it and this is nothing against my mother. This is. I don't want people to lie to themselves.

Alan Lazaros:

Remember at Next Level Live when I pulled up a slide. There's a picture of me drunk, blacked out, drunk, terrible photo of me in my early 20s. And then there's a photo on the right transformation photo of me and emilia just happy, healthy and in love. And I. On the slide it said bad choices in big red letters, bold and good choices in big green letters, and I and I stopped everything I was doing. I told the whole audience like I made terrible fucking choices. That's the truth.

Alan Lazaros:

And a lot of people say no, don't be so hard on yourself. Like, listen, the truth is, until you admit you're making terrible choices or bad choices, pick the label, you're not going to work hard on changing them. Like, the reason I quit drinking is because I knew that my goals required me to my fitness goals in particular. And so, number one set a goal. Number two bullshit radar. I think we have that more than we realize. I think we're conditioned to to lock it up because of shame within ourselves, insecurity or social conditioning. I would. I was definitely the old me, never would have said that to my mom. The old me wasn't man enough, wasn't courageous enough, wasn't grown up enough. I used to just lock in my head, think wow, that's not going to help you, and then just keep it to myself. I don't do that anymore. I used to be a fucking coward coward. The third one I would say is what's the new action plan based on the accurate story? And that's three steps three steps.

Kevin Palmieri:

That's how you change three steps. This, so I have a visualization for how you know you're lying to yourself.

Alan Lazaros:

Okay, will it work?

Kevin Palmieri:

Don't know, but this is how I imagine it. I think it works for me, I think it lands for me. When I'm lying to myself, it feels like I am taking something away from the pile, and that pile is my self-worth Nice. When I'm owning, when I'm undiluting myself, it feels like I'm adding something to the pile. So I again, I have this. What is the best? What would the best version of kevin do? Well, the best version of kevin do, that is, essentially, am I lying to myself right now? And there's always this moment where, like, I throw the ball in my head and it's like it could get intercepted, could get caught, it might hit somebody in the stands and knock the popcorn all over the fucking place anything.

Kevin Palmieri:

I throw the ball in my head and it's like it could get intercepted, could get caught. It might hit somebody in the stands and knock the popcorn all over the fucking place. Anything could happen here. It usually 99.9 times out of 100, gets caught. It always gets caught, but it's just a matter of how long does it take.

Alan Lazaros:

So that pile for you is self-worth.

Kevin Palmieri:

I would say that pile is self.

Alan Lazaros:

So you're stacking self-worth. I would say that pile is self. So you're stacking self-worth. Probably self-worth slash.

Kevin Palmieri:

For me it's self-respect.

Alan Lazaros:

I lose respect for myself very quickly when I'm a coward or I'm lying to myself, so you can label it out there for you whatever it would be.

Alan Lazaros:

Self-esteem, self-worth, self-love, self-respect, self-trust, self-trust yeah, self-worth, self-love, self-respect, self-trust, self-trust yeah. You can't build authentic self-love or self-esteem or self-respect or self-worth. I don't believe while lying to yourself. I've tried. I deluded myself for a long time of, oh, drinking's totally fine and yeah, that's not a big deal, and yeah, okay, like I always use the cheating on the vocab test, like that hurt my self-respect for sure. Of course I still regret it. I seriously still regret it. Now, do I think I should be chastised for that? No, of course not, right? I mean, I'm a kid. Does that mean chastise? Honestly, man, I don't know and I don't want to get into it, even the thought of it.

Alan Lazaros:

I don't, I don't know chastity belt like basically chastised means you just don't. I've never heard of don't know chastity belt like basically chastised means you just don't.

Kevin Palmieri:

I've never heard of that before. A chastity belt means you can't do. You can't do sex.

Alan Lazaros:

I think that's right yeah, the metal belt means you can't do sex, you can't just I guess all right. Well, here's the point. I don't want to get stuck in the shame of oh you cheated on a vocab test. You're the worst student ever and that takes away everything you did with the straight A's and the President's Award. No, but it's not as awesome as someone who didn't. Well, it's not unforgivable. Yeah, exactly, there's very little, that is but there's levels to shame and I think that's why we lie to ourselves as shame. I do.

Kevin Palmieri:

I have a question really quick before we get out of here. Well, I guess it's not a question, it's more of a statement. We were talking about this before. How sometimes who. I'm hang with me when I say this cause. This is going to be very concrete and maybe blanket. Oftentimes, when you tell the truth about yourself, people who are still lying to themselves about themselves try to save you from your truth.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri:

Not, maybe not in all the time. Are they lying to themselves? I don't know. But getting over that is one of the hardest parts, because I will say, when I started this journey I was not that smart and people would be like, well, no, I just wasn't. Let me tell you about me. Why don't you just let me?

Alan Lazaros:

tell you about me, because they're insecure, that if you think you're not smart, they think they're not smart. They think they're not smart and you trigger their exile. That is totally fair, but it's like when you and I consider ourselves out of shape because we're comparing to our old standard Same.

Kevin Palmieri:

But that doesn't mean I'm judging you.

Alan Lazaros:

Exactly. But that's where their insecurities go and that's how irrational insecurities make us is. Oh well, if Kevin and Alan think they're out of shape, they must think I'm really out of shape.

Kevin Palmieri:

No, we don't. I ain't thinking about you, I'm thinking about me.

Alan Lazaros:

We're comparing to our standards. I was watching some videos earlier. Oh my goodness, you and me, man. What the hell happened? I'm back, baby, all right, not the kid, though.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm coming back now.

Alan Lazaros:

Don't save me from that I gotta be truthful. You're coming back, Dude, I was jacked man For sure.

Kevin Palmieri:

Oh my goodness, 176.7 today.

Alan Lazaros:

Nice you low.

Kevin Palmieri:

And I'm hungry and suffering, so things are working fairly well.

Alan Lazaros:

This episode brought to you by Lenny and Larry's Cookies.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm joking Seriously. If you want to fart her out of the room, grab millennium larry's one thing I gotta read real quick.

Alan Lazaros:

I know we gotta go all right. I had a client who I believe is on the highest end of statistical success for probability in the future and I'm so freaking proud of this client anonymous. She said it's wild how good of a job we do lying to ourselves and then lying to others which, by the way, if you're lying to yourself, you most likely are lying to others as well, makes perfect sense.

Alan Lazaros:

I said that is the base problem of why a low percentage of people achieves their goals and dreams. You can't make optimal decisions with inaccurate data. The true sign of maturity is how honest someone is with themselves. That's what I'm always looking for, and she said there are still a lot of places in my life that I'm Delulu and telling stories to myself to make myself feel better, or at least to make my parts feel better, even if it feels like shit. I want to get really good at understanding these and working with them. Slash through them.

Kevin Palmieri:

I have one more thing.

Alan Lazaros:

What else you got for us there?

Kevin Palmieri:

besides those mouth noises.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, sorry about that, but that's. There's something in there. Oh, I said when you were with blank, you were very delusional. I said it was the only time I started hating spending time with you and I said this is the reason why most people don't like me, because I'm extremely honest and this is what I'll end with. This person was with someone who I think was horrible for her and again she agrees Definitely now and I tried to tell her, just like you've tried to tell me in the past, and I wasn't ready to listen. She wasn't ready to listen, right. And when she was with this person who was wildly delusional, she got more delusional and egoed up constantly and I was coaching her at the time and that was the only time I didn't like coaching this person.

Alan Lazaros:

Is you're just so delusional? My job is just to re-undelute you constantly, because if you think it's a road and it's actually a cliff, the self-driving car is just going to keep driving off a cliff and then blaming the world or blaming yourself or blaming other people, when in reality it's actually your own delusion. And my job as a coach. If you hire me for anyone out there watching or listening, if you hire me as a coach, it's my job to help you think more accurately, because then you can make good decisions and play the chess game so you can actually achieve your goals. Because if you don't know what the pieces do and you don't know where the pieces are, it's like trying to play chess when the board is all run amok. You can't. You can't do it.

Kevin Palmieri:

So that's one of the base reasons why we don't yeah, horse doesn't horse doesn't out.

Alan Lazaros:

But if you think the horse is over here and it's actually over here, and you think the knight is over here, the knight is the horse. But the point is is accurate thinking, I think. And again, I know I'm over the top with this, but that's why rationality is so important to me, Because I know that rationality. That's why people are afraid of AI. It's more intelligent than them. So if you get smarter, you become the chess master instead of the pawn. We've all felt what it's like to be young and under the thumb of our parents or under the thumb of so-and-so, and when you get really, really, really smart, really, really, really brilliant, you become unhoodwinkable. People can't lie to you. You take back the reins of your own future.

Kevin Palmieri:

Take back the reins of your own future.

Alan Lazaros:

Mm-hmm.

Kevin Palmieri:

Could be a song name. A little long for a band name, but I could see that as a song name for sure.

Alan Lazaros:

Take back the reins. It's a good song.

Kevin Palmieri:

That could be a band, I think.

Kevin Palmieri:

T-B-R. Take back the reins. Wow, anything you want to add quickly. Next level lesson, my next level lesson. Let me get a word in edgewise here, if I may, totally kidding.

Kevin Palmieri:

Alan and I are in weird moods. I don't know what's happening. We're crumbling under the weight of the pressure we've created for ourselves, but also smiling, doing it, accept and live in and live with. Don't let other people lessen it for you, because they're going to try to. This is the fact of it. I was out of shape.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm not comparing to you. I'm not saying you need to compare to me. I'm not telling you how to live your life in any way, shape or form. I know how I used to look. You might not know how I used to look. I expect that you don't. You have a life. Of course, you don't know how I used to look. You have your own life. You don't have to worry about what I used to look like 10 years ago, but I do. That's up to me. That's up to me, and if I lie to myself, I'm the one who has to deal with the repercussions of that, not you In this case. At least Slash. If you're lying to yourself, you're affecting other people too, whether you want to believe that or not you are. That would be my next little lesson. To end with what is yours, good sir.

Alan Lazaros:

My next little lesson is try to get around people where the standards for self-honesty are higher. One of the base ways to improve your life is to just start being really honest with yourself about the things that you're disappointed with. That's where I started. It's like listen, you are out of shape. Listen, you do drink too much. You do hang out with people that might not be going places Like that changed my life and you're going to get the feedback eventually. So give it to yourself now and make some changes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Next Level Nation Group 18 of Group Coaching. The Next Level Podcast Accelerator starts on Tuesday, April 15th, 5 pm. Eastern Standard Time Group is filling up nicely with super amazing, aligned people. If you want to be in the group, please let us know and we will get you all set up. Level up yourself, Level up your podcast, Level up your business. We would love to have you. Link will be in the show notes. As always, we love you, we appreciate you, Grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU we don't have fans, we have family. We'll talk to you all tomorrow.

Alan Lazaros:

Stay Next Level. Honest with yourself Next Level.

Kevin Palmieri:

Nation. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next.

Alan Lazaros:

Level family. We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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