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Fear Of Judgement Gets Worse If You Don’t Experience It (2040)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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The fear of judgment only gets stronger when you avoid it. In today’s honest and eye-opening episode, Kevin and Alan share what it really feels like to be judged—online, in real life, and in your own mind. They open up with raw stories about insecurity, criticism, and learning to coexist with fear instead of running from it. From viral posts and awkward compliments to emotional growth and self-trust, this conversation will help you reflect on your own relationship with judgment—and how to move forward anyway.

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Show notes:
(2:49) A trick to desensitize fear of criticism
(4:02) How to grow from negative feedback
(6:35) Cliffside camping and the courage to speak
(8:36) Real talk about failing in business
(12:59) Being misunderstood Vs. Being yourself
(16:09) At NLU, we want you to win! So, we're giving you tools and resources to ensure your success. Join our Monthly Meet-up every first Thursday of the month at 5 PM. https://www.nextleveluniverse.com/monthly-meetups/
(20:51) Rethinking compliments as judgment
(23:07) The role of fair and unfair judgment
(27:33) Everyone fears being judged—even Beyoncé
(28:14) Aligning values with your truth
(29:32) Outro

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Kevin Palmieri:

I had somebody ask me recently. They said how did you overcome the fear of judgment? And I said, very honestly, I have not yet, but I think it's one of those things, and we've talked about this so many times. It's one of those things where, if you run from it, it gets worse. Oh, you have a fear of heights. You have two options. You either avoid heights forever or you say you know what? I'm afraid to climb to the top of the ladder, so I'm going to go up. One rung, experience that, then two rungs, then three rungs.

Alan Lazaros:

I think the things that we avoid end up getting far worse for us, because you're going to experience it eventually anyway. Judgment is the inevitable byproduct of doing something courageous. Courage is doing it even though you're afraid. It takes self-awareness and self-acceptance to say I am afraid of judgment, I am afraid to be disliked, I am afraid to be villainized, and I have to have courage to do this anyway.

Kevin Palmieri:

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Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation today for episode number 2040. The fear of judgment gets worse if you don't experience it. I had somebody, a client of mine, message me. Well, I actually messaged them, but they they did a post on one of these social media platforms that went semi-viral and there was a lot of judgment that came with that post. And they messaged me and said it's kind of messing with me a little bit. How did you one, have you ever had an experience like that? And two, how have you overcome it? And I said I haven't overcome it, I don't. I think there are certain things you just you don't overcome, you just grow in. I don't know, am I ever not going to be somewhat afraid of flying? I don't. I think there are certain things you just you don't overcome, you just grow in. I don't know, am I ever not going to be somewhat afraid of flying? I don't know. I think I'll always experience a little bit just less and less and less than it was originally.

Kevin Palmieri:

And I said, well, I've had some similar things happen. And I said it, it screws with me. I mean it, it has really, really screwed with me. So I don't know if I have answers. And then I was thinking about it and I said, oh, you know what? I think I might have a, a potential answer.

Kevin Palmieri:

I said I've mentioned the fact that we're working with a pretty, a pretty big YouTube channel and I said you know what I do? I go look at their comments all the time. Every time I look at their stats to like update them on stats. I look at their comments and I said the reason I do that is because it allows me to see what having that level of exposure and creating that level of you can call it passion or whatever what gets thrown at you. And I said I go through and I look at all the positive ones, but honestly, I think the ones I'm looking at more and I'm looking for more than negative ones. And I said what it allows me to do is it allows me to logically see it without emotionalizing it, because it's not about me. And I said so what I think would be probably a good practice for you is. Go on YouTube, go on Facebook, go on Instagram, wherever TikTok, go to a creator, a thought leader, a speaker, a coach, an author, whoever a musician that you love, and go. Look at all the hateful comments they get. You love this person, you care about this person deeply.

Kevin Palmieri:

Now, I'm not saying to do it from a place of comparison. All I'm saying is it's the exposure to the negativity that's not necessarily directed at you, and I said and when you do get negativity from this post, lean into the feelings. Don't run from it now. Don't take it head on and let it crush you like some massive wave. Don't do that, but try to find some level of constructiveness, try to find some level of growth from it, because this is going to happen again and after that it's going to happen again. And if you do want to continue to get to the next level and be more successful, more successful, more successful, the judgment's just going to get more as you go. I'm not saying it's going to get worse, but you'll probably have more people judging you. Last, last, last thing I said, just like we're focused on appreciating compliments but not allowing them to change us, I said I think it's the same with judgmental comments. I mean, how many times have you been told you're good at this, you're good at that? You know, deep down you can't believe that fully because you'll lose sight of who you are and you won't want to grow and you'll be focused on taking this compliment and say, yeah, I am pretty good. Yes, you are, and there's a lot of room to go.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think judgment in the negative frame is similar. It's not none of it's logical, it's all emotional. It's all emotional. If somebody reached out and said, hey, kev, you, I feel like the episodes where you talk more than Alan suck. That is a that's an objective piece of feedback. Alan's like, you're right. Alan's on your team, alan's on your team. That is something where I can logically say, okay, that person is probably more like Alan and they value Alan's opinion and Alan's perspective. I can understand that.

Kevin Palmieri:

But if somebody reached out and said you guys are frauds and you haven't done all these episodes something, that's just highly, just highly illogical. I would get really emotional about that because it's like you're missing. I don't understand how you could possibly think that would get really emotional about that because it's like you're missing. I don't understand how you could possibly think that. Like how could you possibly miss that? So there's understanding the logic and the emotion of judgment. I think is is super important, and anytime exposure therapy like that's really what we're talking about. Anytime we talk about fear chasing, anytime we talk about imposter syndrome, anytime we talk about stuff that makes you nervous, all we're saying is just take it in a little bit of a smaller dose, and that's really what we're trying to put out there today.

Alan Lazaros:

I sent a Instagram post to Amy Lennius on the team. For those of you who do know Amy, you know who I'm talking about. For those of you who don't she is the one who emceed at Next Level Live. She does group coaching with us. She's awesome. Okay, I sent her a post of people that are sleeping on the side of cliffs, so on YouTube you can see this post. This is how rock climbers sleep on multi-day ascents and it's just a post of people sleeping on the side of a cliff. They're, they're, yeah, it's a hard, no, right, hard, no, for you, hard, no, okay. So I'm going through them, going through them and it's basically picture it for those of you only on audio picture camping in a tent, except the tent is hanging off a cliff that is accurate.

Kevin Palmieri:

That is 100 hard.

Alan Lazaros:

No for me these are what people do. They're just just sleeping on the side of a cliff. No big deal, just no. Some of us can't even get good sleep in our own safe bed, nevermind that. And Amy said oh me, no exclamation point, ha ha, we definitely, in all caps, can. That is bananas. This is what I said to her.

Alan Lazaros:

I said something along the lines I don't know why it's not showing my message, but I said something along the lines of oh, if they can make that normal for their central nervous system, how dare we be scared to share a lick of truth? Lol, because I was on an entrepreneurial panel earlier and I had to keep telling myself like Alan, you got to tell them this, you got to tell them this. Just tell them what the fucking truth is, because we're making this sound way better than it is and these kids need to know listen the traditional road. It sounds really cool to become a multimillionaire. It sounds really cool, but I got to tell you what comes with that.

Alan Lazaros:

And eventually I got the whole panel talking about all their failures. It's awesome. It's like we need to talk about how many times we've all failed. How many businesses did you fail? He said well, at least three, if not more. The other one was like well, two, the other ones this. And then we found out it was like six and I'm like well, I had a failed business when I was you guys' age and this, and Alan has his LLC that died.

Alan Lazaros:

Zero for this guy over here, kevin's one for one.

Kevin Palmieri:

One for one. One for one baby. You know, sometimes you get to step up to the plate. You never know what might happen.

Alan Lazaros:

But to the point of this episode, I had to go inside myself and say, alan, they're not going to like this. Maybe the professor will be upset that I say this. Maybe the other entrepreneurs on this panel will be annoyed that I say this. I don't give a fuck, I'm going to tell them the truth. I have to tell these kids the truth and so that was my point to sending that to Amy is if these people can sleep in a tent hanging off a cliff.

Alan Lazaros:

Alan, you got to have the courage to say what it really takes to win. And yeah, sometimes it comes off brash or sometimes it comes off hardcore. Sometimes I swear and some of my clients have kids listening. I apologize. If your child swears because of me, I apologize, but also I'm going to be myself and people are going to judge that. So you give a speech in front of a thousand people, you have a thousand reputations, but you only have one character. Your character is who you are and what you are when no one is watching. And if you, there's that great quote by Aristotle. He says if you really don't want to upset anyone, say nothing, be nothing, do nothing, become nothing. You're going to have to break some eggs, and I would be lying if I didn't say that it didn't bother me. And the last piece I'll share before I let Kev talk again Look.

Kevin Palmieri:

I had an epic monologue, so you got plenty of ground here.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, but the last episode was mostly me and I want to make sure that you and I are both getting a word in so that we don't get too much hate. I'm kidding. I have a video that I keep referencing because I keep seeing the views go up and up and up 953 views, eight likes. I think that my ratio is probably one out of 10. People resonate with me, maybe not even. To be completely honest, kev, you got way better than that and I told the entrepreneurial panel and the kids today. I said listen, I'm not the likable guy and that's okay, but I don't want NLU to suffer because of my lack of likability. I said I'm what people need. I'm not what they want. I said don't fall in love with your own product. I am the most obsessed with personal development out of maybe anyone you guys have ever met and nobody cares. And all the other entrepreneurs started laughing. The whole class started laughing, because the truth is, you can fall in love with yourself, you can fall in love with your own product, you can fall in love with your own company, but that doesn't work. You have to. You have to understand that not everyone needs your widget and not everyone needs your podcast and you have to understand how to stay objective, and so my point of this whole thing is kev, you're used to being liked. I think that in some ways, my life has been harder because I've been villainized more than you, but I also have a lot more exposure therapy to being disliked. I mean, I think a lot of people struggle when they post something.

Alan Lazaros:

I posted a video yesterday. I think it has 330 views and two, three likes. One of them is my mother and I just have to overcome this because I realized I can't be successful. I love the video. It's a fitness video. I shared my whole workout. I shared what muscle groups I'm so passionate about it. I'm going to keep doing it. I don't think anyone cares.

Alan Lazaros:

I realized early on that I don't like myself when I'm trying to get people to like me, and so I knew that I had to overcome this. But I don't want it to come off as I don't care what people think, because I don't think that's true. I think I do care. Come off as I don't care what people think, because I don't think that's true. I think I do care and I think my ego wants me to tell myself I don't care, and I think, a lot of people who are very, very successful. They convince themselves that they don't care what people think, when in reality, behind the scenes, of course, they do. However, they had to learn how to overcome that, because you can't be successful without everyone having an opinion about you.

Alan Lazaros:

Some people love Amazon, some people hate Amazon. Some people love Steven Spielberg. Some people hate Jurassic Park and think it's dumb. Some people love the movie Titanic. Some people think it's the dumbest movie ever. How dare you, exactly? And so, no matter what you do in life, the only thing that you can do to avoid any judgment is to do nothing, say nothing, be nothing, and, unfortunately, you're not going to like yourself if you choose that road well, isn't that the ultimate goal?

Kevin Palmieri:

to get to the place where you think from a healthy, balanced, centered perspective. You, you care more about what you think of yourself than other people. I think that's the ultimate goal. But saying, well, fuck those people, they don't know, it's like no, I don't think that's the answer yeah and necessarily.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think that's probably a coping mechanism. I've been there and to your point, this person asked when they asked me that question, I said look, I don't get that much hate so I'm probably not the right person to ask. I said I don't know what it is, I don't know if it's because I'm an underdog and people don't expect me to win or whatever it is. I don't know. But I said Alan gets way more than I do. Alan would probably be better to ask that question to than me, because I don't get that much. I don't know why I'm not asking for it. I don't want it. I'm not saying give me more.

Alan Lazaros:

I have reasons I think you get less hate. I think one of them is you tend to see things from both perspectives, I try. I think number number two is you, I do think, are more emotionally mature about things and and pretty honest, but again from both sides of the coin. And I think number three is you're too cowardly to take a stand on some things I don't, that's that one's always hard for me because I don't.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think I do try to see things from Okay, okay, I think it's mostly the first ones, by the way.

Alan Lazaros:

No, no, I.

Kevin Palmieri:

I know, but but I have moments too, or I'll be doing an episode and it's like, do I always have to Say both sides? But like that's what I, if you drink and drive, I'd say you're, you're an idiot.

Alan Lazaros:

Okay, but that was hard say right.

Kevin Palmieri:

No, that one's fairly simple. Oh okay, yeah, that one's fairly simple.

Alan Lazaros:

But you're always filtering what you say through what people will perceive it as, which I think is strong for communicators. If you want to be an effective communicator, you have to do that. You have to know who's in the room. You have to understand the belief systems.

Kevin Palmieri:

You have to be respectful. You can always share more, but I think what gets people in trouble is they overshare and they say, ah shit, that's you know. Upon further reflection, that's actually not how I think it's like. Well, that's what you said and that's what most people are going to hear and that's how people are going to remember you. Facts are facts. I'm trying to, in real time, just really think about no-transcript. As long as the person she went to was a better fit than I am, I'd be devastated, oh my God. But it wouldn't be like screw her, she's terrible. That wouldn't. I wouldn't think that.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri:

I don't know, I is that dumb Maybe.

Alan Lazaros:

I don't know, I think it's.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think it's. That's what I, that's what I always aspired to. I wanted to be the person who was centered in that.

Alan Lazaros:

NLU listener what is happening? I just wanted to jump in here and let you know if you want to get to the next level faster. We have a free virtual monthly meetup at the first Thursday of every month. You can connect with like-minded people and become a bigger part of this amazing global community. The link to register will be in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Question for you. When somebody comes up to you, assuming this happens I don't know if it does and I don't, it's going to sound rude that I said that, but you'll get it when somebody comes up to you and says hey man, you're in really good shape. What do you feel? No, one ever says that Okay, that was was my fear. I've said that to you like once no, no, what do you mean? I said that to you recently mother, mother, goose no, no, not in real time.

Alan Lazaros:

Afterwards you said, hey, you had a good showing or you were looking good yesterday, or something like that in the past you never necessarily said it in real time, I don't know about that we went to the gym one time and I was wearing a stringer and you were like it was also amazing lighting in that gym. I mean that was real good. I looked at a photo from it recently. It made me look like a goddamn superhero. But you said, oh, better than I thought. Very rarely do people like today. For example, I met those entrepreneurs and again I'm, in real time, afraid of being judged for this. They're not in great shape and they knew it when I came over. It was like a circle of entrepreneurs and they're all business owners and we're here to talk entrepreneurship. But I had a moment of okay, so you guys are very insecure about your physiques around me, and that's okay, and please just don't hate me. You know I'm here for the same reason you are.

Kevin Palmieri:

Do you think, okay, if I was to say you're in really good shape, like if I came up to you, if I don't even want to use me, if you were in the gym tomorrow morning and some young kid came up to you? Some young high school kid, freshman in high school, and came up to you and said, hey, man, can I ask you, can I ask you a question? And you're like, yeah, man, what's up? And you answer the question and then he says to you dude, you're in really good shape, I look up to you. What would you feel?

Alan Lazaros:

it would be awesome, would you?

Kevin Palmieri:

deflect it or would you own it? When I give you compliments, you get weird understandably. I give you compliments. You get weird Understandably, because I don't think you get that many compliments. When I get compliments, it's like yeah fuck, yeah, thanks, I appreciate it.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, I feel like it would be more of that now.

Kevin Palmieri:

Okay, what do you mean I?

Alan Lazaros:

deflect it, it's okay. I just want to understand.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'll say something. I can see it in my head. I'll start by. I'll start a compliment and you parse your lips and you get red and, like your eyes get bigger and it's. I can just tell it's uncomfortable and I think you're, you don't you're? It's like, yeah, you could stop. You could stop at any time. You could stop the sentence at any time. You don't have to continue going Like you could. You could stop the sentence at any time. You don't have to continue going.

Kevin Palmieri:

You could stop it if you want, but I don't think you've been complimented that much. Very little, very, very little To my face. I was thinking of this the other day. I remember one time I used to deliver building supplies Awesome job. In retrospect, I just drove around Massachusetts all day. It was pretty freaking, I remember and I was single at the time, so please be gentle with what I'm about to say, but I remember I have to drive through Boston and it would be like at the beginning of the spring and it was. There was just beautiful women walking around Boston, looking amazing. There was very well-dressed men walking around Boston and I was just in my car listening to sports, talk radio or in my truck. It was like this is not a bad gig. All things considered, this is actually pretty good. But I remember I used to compliment it all the time.

Kevin Palmieri:

When I would go to job sites, guys would be like Jesus man, because I'd be moving heavy stuff and I was in really good shape back then. I was somebody who's been exercising along heavy stuff and I was in really good shape back then. I was somebody who's been exercising along. So I saw Bruce in the gym today Bruce, my 79 year old weightlifting buddy. He's like you're looking real good, kev. There's no part of me that wants to not accept that, because I think I'm just used to it. No one does that Well. I think that's why it's. I think that's why, if you don't get compliments, often it's easy to deflect them Because that is a judgment. It's just not a judgment in the way that we think about it. When we think judgment, we think negative, but that's not. That's only half of the equation. There's a positive side too.

Alan Lazaros:

I know we have to go soon, but I want to make sure that I think this is a great opportunity to share something that I think is unbelievably helpful. You make a really good point about judgment being both positive and negative, and I've talked about judgment and why it's actually important and I kind of went off on the last episode episode 2039, about science and math. Episode 2039 about science and math and we talked on the entrepreneurial panel earlier about data-driven decisions. You have to take in data. So when I first met Emilia, my brain said beautiful, absolutely gorgeous, stunning beyond her eyes, wild beyond my wildest, unbelievable. That's a judgment. And me DMing her was a judgment call based on what I was observing.

Alan Lazaros:

Everything human beings do and don't do is based on judgment calls. It's based on data they're taking in. So no matter what human beings, they have to judge. There's a big difference between being overly critical and judgmental and hateful and toxic. And I'm not saying to judge a book by its cover, but before you open the book, you have to judge it based on something. You have to figure out what book to pick up. We all know this on Netflix. They split test every one of those thumbnails for Netflix shows to figure out what gets clicked on and what doesn't Every thumbnail on YouTube. So no matter what judgment is unav unavoidable. I think unfair judgment is what we're talking about. It's unfair to judge kevin based on one fucking thing he said. But is it though?

Alan Lazaros:

yes, because I can't judge all of your character based on one out of context moment no, ever no it is a data point in the tapestry that is ke Palmieri and I was on a podcast earlier today and it's about men who have healed and it's about intimate relationships and how, if you don't work on your relationship with yourself, your relationships inevitably going to be worse. Past struggled with fighting in an intimate relationship. I said, well, I'll tell you this story. I was with a woman named Courtney first name and we were at our apartment and I punched a hole in the door. She was nowhere near me. She was on the other side of the room, but I was pissed off and I punched a hole in the door. I bought her a new door the next day. I said it's hard for me to even look that. I would ever even do that. It's not my finest moment Now.

Alan Lazaros:

Should you judge all of me based on that one moment? No, but do you have to take it in as a data point? Yes, and if you saw my childhood, trust me that ain't nothing. So how do we judge and always make judgment calls and make intelligent choices, which? There's no difference between a judgment call and an intelligent choice. It's the same thing. However, not make unfair judgments when you judge someone based on their race or based on their sex or based on their sexual preferences. That's unfair, but judgments need to happen.

Alan Lazaros:

When I walk into a room, people are going to take a look and one of the hardest parts of my life and I know this sounds really probably silly because there's pros and cons to everything, but one of the hardest parts of my life at this stage it's such an interesting, surprising thing is that people, when they see the awards and they see tall and they see you know, white Caucasian male, they think oh, privileged. It couldn't be farther from the truth. I wasn't privileged in any sense of the word Right. It couldn't be farther from the truth. I wasn't privileged in any sense of the word right and it's unfortunate that I'm judged based on that. But there, of course I can't be mad at that. Of course you're gonna think I'm privileged. Look at my awards. Like I was born and raised in massachusetts, I get it, I'm. I am privileged, but not nearly to the extent that they assume based on my my race.

Alan Lazaros:

It's not in a way it's yeah, it's not in the way that somebody would think maybe I think the only thing that matters is is the way that you build self-esteem and self-belief and you develop your own character. That that's what. Oh, because today I said some things that were maybe perceived improperly in front of the kids and students, and they were recording and all this stuff and I just had this moment of okay, alan, at least you're being yourself and you're doing the best you can and you're not being disrespectful no-transcript.

Kevin Palmieri:

Oftentimes the truth is controversial, and that's essentially we're trying to add value, and sometimes you're going to hear something that you're not ready for. It goes against your beliefs you don't want to believe is true. It's the best of the best to our awareness currently, like there's a lot of. That's why it's hard. Doing this is easier than it's ever been in a lot of ways, but also harder in a lot of ways, because you know you talk a lot on the internet. There's a lot of things that can be taken out of context, for sure, but you got to look at the track record. I think that's the takeaway for this episode, for us at least. I think it's different for everybody, right? Because you're not. You're not a podcaster, maybe you're not on social media, whatever it is. But just like anything else, if you're afraid of snakes, the more you run from snakes, the more afraid you're going to be.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm convinced I wasn't afraid of snakes when I was younger, why one of my favorite wrestlers ever his name was jake the snake Snake Roberts, and he used to bring a giant boa out with him. Can't do that anymore because it was probably it was not definitely animal abuse to a degree, unfortunately, but I remember when I was young one of my family friends had snakes and I used to go over and hang out with the snakes. I remember I went to a theme park one time and they had this giant boa constrictor and I put it around my neck like got a picture taken. I'm more afraid of snakes now than I was when I was younger. Why? Because I'm not around snakes anymore.

Alan Lazaros:

And you're also more aware that they can kill you anytime.

Kevin Palmieri:

No, pythons are harmless as long as they don't wrap. I'm strong.

Alan Lazaros:

Let's do it. That's what I meant. The wraparound I told you I was hypnotized put a big snake on me.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah.

Alan Lazaros:

Anyways, I'm being playful, but the point is sometimes awareness actually makes you more scared, which means you need that is fair. You need to face that too. But fear is holding all of us back and if you are afraid of judgment, you're not alone. Even the people who say they're not are deep down and it's part of human nature and you can overcome it. You can overcome it. I said this to one of my clients. I said listen, I know you're afraid to shine, but Beyonce's got the same issue, way worse than you do.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm not going to say you can overcome it. I'm going to say you can make friends with it. I don't know, I haven't overcome it yet, so I can't tell you out there that you can.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, you can make friends with it. But to the point of that is, I said Beyonce's got this problem way worse than you and you're not the first person to be fearful of saying the wrong thing. I mean, all of us know what it's like to be around our in-laws or our relatives and it's like, okay, I got to button up here and make sure I don't say the wrong thing in the wrong way. Yeah, it takes a lot of courage to do this. I think we underestimate that all the time. Like I said again, I have a Toastmasters speech next week.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm very grateful, I appreciate it, but I am constantly trying to recenter around my calling and what do I want to say? Who do I want to be? What do I want to fucking stand for? I need to make a stand and I stand for potential and personal development. And, yeah, of course, work ethic. I said that earlier today. I said, listen, I have people I work well with and people I don't with. If you don't have work ethic, we're just not going to work. It's not going to work. It's a core value. If you're lazy, I cannot work with you, and that's just my truth. That doesn't mean you're a bad person, it just means you can't work at our company. You can't work closely with me, right? Because you're going to hate me, probably, and I'm not going to like that and I'm going to get frustrated with you all the time. If you're out there and you're lazy, it would be hard for us to work closely together, and that's just facts.

Kevin Palmieri:

It wouldn't be good for either person. All right, if you are looking for something that is good for you, head on over to nextleveluniversecom. We got a bunch of stuff on the website. I think we're going to be doing a rebrand, new website type deal coming up in the near future, but there's everything there, everything we have to offer. You can get to the Facebook group, you can get to group coaching, all that stuff and if you are looking for a positive group of like-minded humans, we'll have the link in the show notes for Next Level Nation, our private Facebook group. As always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you. At NLU, we do not have fans. We have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Alan Lazaros:

Keep it Next Level, next Level Nation.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros:

We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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