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Why Personal Development Is The Answer To Everything (2055)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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In this episode, Kevin and Alan dive deep into the idea that personal development is the foundation for growth in every area of life. Whether it's business, relationships, health, leadership, or purpose, they explain why investing in yourself consistently pays the highest dividends... just not always right away.

They explore the mindset shifts, emotional maturity, and long-term perspective needed to stay committed to growth, even when results feel invisible. With stories, humor, and powerful insights, this conversation will challenge how you see yourself and what you’re truly capable of becoming.


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Timestamps:

  • 0:00 – Why personal growth is the foundation of real success
  • 0:30 – Coaching others through growth and constructive feedback
  • 1:00 – Welcome to the show and the mission behind it
  • 1:40 – Navigating pressure with greater emotional capacity
  • 2:40 – What personal development really means
  • 3:10 – Becoming well-rounded vs. being highly specialized
  • 4:45 – Milestones, mindset shifts, and measuring progress
  • 5:25 – The most important thing to teach the next generation
  • 6:30 – Building across all areas: mind, body, emotions, spirit
  • 7:15 – The role of awareness and identity in growth
  • 8:30 – How our consciousness has evolved—and what it means for you
  • 11:00 – The power of transcending old patterns
  • 13:30 – Gaining internal control and emotional resilience
  • 15:10 – Why growth feels hard (and invisible) at first
  • 16:30 – Growth isn’t equal—but it is available to everyone
  • 18:00 – Your val

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Kevin Palmieri:

I do not believe there is anything more valuable than personal growth. And now I look at people who are super successful in a well-rounded manner, and it's very clear that the reason they are that successful quote unquote is because they have focused on personal development and personal growth over just business development or learning certain things. There's something about personal growth that helps you learn more about everything, but it also feels like nothing at the same time.

Alan Lazaros:

In my coaching when we're focused on personal development and getting better and growing their businesses, my client's businesses. I was on with a client earlier she's a photographer, showed out to you, she listens every day and I said 90% of everything you're doing is great every day. And I said 90% of everything you're doing is great, you're great. But the 10% that we have to focus on today is what is not great, and sometimes I feel a little negative, but I know that that's what's going to get her to the next level.

Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University. I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri, and I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus. At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros:

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Kevin Palmieri:

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Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation today for episode number 2055,. This is the answer to everything. I was on a podcast today. You were on this podcast as well, and it was a wonderful podcast, and at one point we were talking about growth and we were talking about personal development. That's pretty much every podcast I'm on. We talk about that because that's what we talk about. And at one point I said I think the reason personal development is so important and so valuable is because I am under way more pressure than I've ever been, but I'm also way more capable of handling the pressure. And the guy said hold on, man, I need you to say it again. And I said I can't. I can't say it again, brother, it's gone. I said it, I was there for this. No, no, no, no. You've been on the show in the past. Oh, okay, yeah. He said I did better. I was like, of course, yeah he did not say that he did he wrote me a handwritten note.

Kevin Palmieri:

Right, it is way better. Nice, he said it wasn't even leagues above child's play, alan's child's play compared. No, it was a. It was a really good conversation, though, and then I was thinking after, and it like if you start personal development, so what is the definition of personal development? Trying to improve oneself, trying to develop oneself, trying to evolve oneself?

Kevin Palmieri:

Almost nothing is going to happen in the beginning, in anything, but when I think, when you do it long enough, you're just much stronger across more pillars. So if, okay, if you're out there and you just focus on money, I'm willing to bet you will probably be better with money than I will ever be. If that's like your one thing, like you go all in, I'm going to focus on money, money, money, money, money. But there's no way you could be nearly as well-rounded as I am. There's no way. And across the pillars, I will have better results. Will I have better results in one? Maybe not.

Kevin Palmieri:

Like I'm never going to be in the best shape ever. I'll never happen. I'm never gonna be the wealthiest person. That's not gonna happen. I'm never gonna be the I don't know tallest. Well, I'm never gonna be the tall. That has nothing to do with personal development. I can develop myself. I've developed the shit out of myself, but I'm not going up in that direction. Unfortunately, just as an example, you're most likely not going to be the best at one thing because you're not a specialist. Personal development is quite literally you saying I'm going to be the best at being me and with the best version of me is going to bring the best version of the results that I'm capable of. But what I said to Alan in the beginning, before we did this episode, was it's going to help you get better at everything, but you're not going to feel like you're getting better at anything until you realize you've gotten better at everything, and it's weird how it's set up that way.

Alan Lazaros:

Well, that goes back to the mile markers we were talking about. You're doing a marathon and you have a little mile marker, a certain speech or a certain podcast, or a certain moment, or a certain woe, a certain aha moment. Two things came up for me way back. This probably wasn't that long ago.

Alan Lazaros:

Maybe, six months ago, two days ago, six months ago, in book club we had a brainstorming session around. If you could imagine, we all have a child and we want this child to flourish in the world to the best of their ability. What is the one subject in school that you would want them to learn?

Alan Lazaros:

If they could only learn one course. They could only take one course. What one would you pick? And everyone had different ones. One of them said dance. I said statistics, obviously, and other people said other things. I can't remember in this moment what the other ones were Okay. And other people said other things. I can't remember in this moment what the other ones were Okay.

Alan Lazaros:

That's a good question to ask, though, because, with personal development, what are the fundamentals that you should focus on? Because you were saying you're not a specialist? If you're top 100 in health, wealth and love, you're one in a million, one over 100 times one over 100 times one a hundred is one in a million. What if you could be a specialist who also works on the physical, mental, emotional, spiritual part of their nature? And if you're on YouTube, I'm using my hands a lot. So Kevin's laughing, but seriously, you weren't laughing. I thought you were giggling, I thought you were about to real quick, real quick.

Alan Lazaros:

Your one thing is podcasting. Kevin's a podcaster. That's his identity. He wants to be the best that he can be at podcasting. Okay, that's your one thing. However, you also want to be a good husband. You also want to be physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually developed. It'd be nice if I could talk today physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. I'm not enunciating well and, by the way, I did look up personal development. Personal development is the ongoing process of improving your skills, knowledge, habits, mindset and self-awareness to reach your full potential and enhance the quality of your life. It involves setting goals, acquiring new competencies, reflecting on behavior and beliefs, and making conscious efforts to grow in areas such as emotional intelligence, physical health, communication and relationships, productivity and time management, career and financial growth, self-confidence and purpose aka all the shit we didn't learn about in school.

Kevin Palmieri:

That's wild.

Alan Lazaros:

Man, that's a great definition.

Kevin Palmieri:

Chat GPT did it right. That's a great definition. What Subject? Chat, GPT. Did it right. It's a great definition. What subject? What subject would it if you could only take one subject? One subject Statistics, Philosophy.

Alan Lazaros:

Nice. I want to share something with you. Sure, I was in Barnes and Noble last week and Emilia and I were waiting. I got a new phone. I traded in my iPhone 13 for the 16 Pro Max Pumped Nice camera and I was waiting for it to transfer. It took forever. So we were in Barnes and Noble. Okay, I was reading the Eighth Habit. So there's a book called the Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey. It's a very, very, very good book. There's something called the Eighth Habit and I stumbled across that book and I was just buying time. Biding time, biding time. All right.

Alan Lazaros:

He talks about the five levels of consciousness. This is next level university. Real quick. I just want to give this to anyone out there watching or listening.

Alan Lazaros:

He says that back in the day, way, way, way, way back, our brains were hunters and gatherers. That's a certain level of consciousness. It's survival. No one who's a hunter-gatherer is concerned about building an iPhone. You need to concern yourself with survival food, water, shelter, right, get till tomorrow, exactly, that's all it is is get to tomorrow, and I know a lot of people feel that way too. All right. Then next was the agricultural revolution. This is when you could plan. That's all it is is get to tomorrow, and I know a lot of people feel that way too. All right. Then next was the agricultural revolution. This is when you could plan. It's like oh, we have food for six months. What a concept. Yay, we can think long term, a little bit more long term. Then it was industrial. Not only can we feed ourselves, clothe ourselves, have shelter and have food stores year-round, freezers, all that stuff. We're going to build some shit too. We're going to build some cars. We're going to industrialize Whoa. Okay, interesting Fossil fuels. Okay, power plants, electricity Whoa. These are the two that are new, and I mean really fucking new. I'm not kidding the two that are new, and I mean really fucking new, I'm not kidding like within the last hundred years, new people. I always think people have a lot of anxiety and stuff, and I know why it's. It's the world is too new for our old hardware. If our brain updated as much as our iphone did, we'd be golden. That's why nlu, I think, is so valuable, because if you listen every single day, we're talking to a team member yesterday on team hud, and she's been listening every day. She said I've never once listened to an episode where I didn't increase my awareness. It's like we need to get you on video saying that.

Kevin Palmieri:

Get that in writing please.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah. The next is an information slash knowledge worker. This means you have a computer, this is Google, information age, pre-ai. This is colleges, books, encyclopedias, information. Back in the day there were people who weren't educated. This is the education age when you're educated enough. And this is sort of Great Britain and they built certain schools Like Great Britain is the main place in the world that Oxford and they started sort of the whole college thing for the most part and again, don't quote me on this, but it's a Great Britain, yeah.

Alan Lazaros:

And then the next one is wisdom. This is hyper-consciousness, this is understanding all the others. So, kev and I, if we want to be the best versions of ourselves, if any listeners or people watching want to be the best version of yourself and I promise I'll bring this back to personal development we have to be able to hunt and gather. We have to be able to farm. We have to be able to learn how to be independent in an assembly line and work, punch a time card. We have to learn how to be a knowledge worker who can work on our computers and that kind of thing, and then, if you're wise, you realize that you get to transcend all of those others. But it takes years and years and years to do that. No one, no one at seven transcends punching a time card that's why what's the definition of transcend?

Alan Lazaros:

the einstein quote. He says you cannot solve a problem with the same level of thinking that created it. So I often use this as a metaphor. Emilia's 30 years old. I'm 36. Me at 30 wouldn't have been able to be with her at 36 because my consciousness wasn't capable of it. I wasn't personally developed well enough. She. It would have been annoying for her to be with me at 30, if she was 30. Her now with me at 30, she would be annoyed and she'd have to either level me up or I'd have to do a lot of extra work or she'd have to settle. And the reason why is because her consciousness is so much more than mine. I remember when I first met her, it was a sharing of consciousness. Her awareness is high, my awareness is high. We would just learn so much from each other. You and I do that on this podcast all the time, behind the scenes, all the time, and that's what I don't think is taught to anybody is consciousness is the unsung hero of personal development. It's not just skills and like getting in shape. It's who become as a, as a being, and when you are wise and you reach wisdom.

Alan Lazaros:

You mentioned philosophy. That was the subject of choice. Philosophers are in the wisdom column. Now here's the problem. Some of them forget how to hunt and gather. Some of them don't take care of their body. They aren't nourishing themselves, right. So you can't. You can't. If you want to get to level five, which is wisdom, in this framework in the book, you can't forget about level one. You still have to be strong, because if you get in a fight, you better be able to defend yourself right, duken, I'm gonna write it.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm gonna write a book on uh, I don't know, like any, anything that's ever been numbered, like the 15, what it 15 invaluable leadership, whatever's. I'm going to write the 16th one.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm just going to have a line of books. That's just one extra one. The book is called the Eighth Habit. Yeah, yeah, I'm just going to be the extra one.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm just going to have a line of books. That's the extra one. What do you think about that?

Alan Lazaros:

There 21 irrefutable laws of leadership. There's the 15 invaluable laws of growth. There's the 22 immutable laws of marketing. Yeah, this is a weird number the four-hour work week.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm going to do three, the three-hour work week. I'm going to upsell that tomorrow.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah good luck with that. Yeah, it's not going to happen. Do four hours of work in three hours. There you go. You're welcome, you're very welcome, you're super welcome. I think that's a really good way to explain it, because when your consciousness increases, your capabilities increase, yeah, and you're just in more control. You can control yourself to a deeper level. You can influence yourself. Well, I know I would say you can control yourself because it's I don't think it's negative to say that you can influence people, places, things and ideas in a different way. You should feel like you're in more control of your outcomes because you're. You know what I used to think of all the time. It's weird as shit, I know. I used to think of myself as a human being, as a little like just a little figurine in my head controlling everything I do I swear to god you ever see men in black.

Kevin Palmieri:

No okay, never mind. And I was thinking this before men in black, so they took this idea out of my consciousness. How dare they? And I did not get credited at all. But essentially, the more, the better the controller is at that, the more successful they're going to be. Like. If I can control myself in a better way, yep, but I don't.

Kevin Palmieri:

It's so hard to sell personal development because the benefits are invisible, if not detrimental, in the beginning yeah, 100, and that's why it's so hard. It's. But I was on the podcast and he said at the end he said what do you want your, your lasting memory with the audience to be? And I said it was a great question, great podcast, it's a great podcast. I said I know it's not sexy and I know at times it kind of sucks and I know that the beginning it almost feels like you're going backwards.

Kevin Palmieri:

But if you can focus on a little bit of personal development every day, eventually you'll get to the place where you realize how much you've changed. But it will never be based on what you did yesterday. It will always be based on what from where you started and I just don't know how else to get it to land other than it's just a commitment, just like anything else. It's a commitment If you want to have. What's the difference between a relationship and a truly deeply committed relationship? Those are two very different things. What's the difference between an employee and a deeply purpose-driven, committed employee? Those are two very different things. People write news articles about employees like that, do you think?

Alan Lazaros:

one of the reasons we don't face this is because? Because I used to use the house metaphor. So I'm 36 years old and we know the difference between a mansion and a shack. Why is a mansion worth more? It's rarer and it's harder to build. It takes more time and effort. I just feel the same way about human beings, but we have this weird thing where we want to believe everyone's the same. We want to believe everyone's equal. Intrinsically and spiritually we are, but when it comes to your own personal development, no one is equal.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah.

Alan Lazaros:

No one. I have mentors that are just more valuable in business. I have certain people that are in better shape. They're more valuable on the basketball court.

Alan Lazaros:

I think that it gets really weird and emotional and I realized I on a therapy call earlier and I realized that apparently I have this hyper rational brain that is very unique from her words, not mine, but I don't think of people from an emotional lens. I think I try to think of things very objectively, like, objectively speaking, you are way more valuable than you used to be. Yes, it's not close, it's not even close, but I didn't want to be mean and like, say, old kevin wasn't of value, it's just not as valuable. It's like. It's like um, you turned your shack into a. You're born as a shack and then you, you renovate the shack and and you build a, you know a little cabin, and then you learn how to build a bigger house and then you renovate the shack and you build a little cabin and then you learn how to build a bigger house and then you renovate the like. It makes sense, but when it comes to people, we get all wonky about it.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah.

Alan Lazaros:

Like you're a mansion now. You weren't a mansion in your 20s. No one is Well.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think a piece of it is directly connected to the level of problems that you can solve. I think that's like such a big piece of it is like what, if we all work at the same company but I can solve problems at a higher level than Alan, I'm most likely to get paid more than Alan. Yeah for sure, Because I'm there's less people that can do what I can do.

Alan Lazaros:

Exactly, and what you can do can make way more money.

Kevin Palmieri:

And it also took me 20 years to get to the place where I could do what I can do. And if you just came in, you can't. You can't learn 20 years of stuff in two years. It doesn't work that way.

Alan Lazaros:

It's just like if you buy a house, a multimillion dollar mansion costs more. Kevin is worth more in now than he used to be. And I I and the last piece of this I'll share the the age thing, like I really think that that well, I remember when I was 16, I was so mistreated and I think now, in hindsight I think I was treated disrespectfully to a point where I probably should have said something or done something other than just take it. I remember I burnt the biscuits and I tell the story where they would. The guy, like the waiter, was just throwing them at me like in the middle. It was pretty humiliating. But I remember thinking like I'm a peon because I'm supposed to be a peon for now. And I remember thinking like, oh, I'm going to own this place one day. Yeah, like I'm going to come and just buy this place and fuck it, buyer, you, I couldn't wait.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah.

Alan Lazaros:

You know, and I will get to a place where I can do that. I obviously won't, and he won't be working there by the time, that's the case. But I remember thinking like this is just the hard yards. This is, I'm young, I'm 16. So you'll see one day Fucker.

Alan Lazaros:

It's yeah I didn't know that, and even the awareness of like this is how it's supposed to be, not necessarily somebody throwing biscuits, you're throwing biscuits, we're gonna throw hands, son yeah, even though kev would have actually thrown no, probably not, because he probably was a grown man. He was big. He was a big boy. That's a pass I would have done he was he was huge.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, I would have said more biscuits please.

Alan Lazaros:

Probably that's that self-worth right there yeah.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, this is why it's so hard, because it's not. It's very hard to be hyper logical and hyper rational when it comes to people 100 and I think that's one of the reasons personal development. We had a moment last night where we were talking, we were on the team call and alan said and again I'm saying this is an example, it's sit with me with it he said, kev, you're just not that good of a leader yet because you're 35. You haven't led people that long, like there aren't that many people that are good leaders in their 30s. It makes sense and I had that moment of like anybody outside the team would probably be offended for me, really probably. I mean, I think if that's something you're not used to hearing, but I remember when I would have been offended name me a leader in their 30s.

Kevin Palmieri:

That, you think, is good I don't follow leaders as much as you do so, and I have very.

Alan Lazaros:

There aren't any. I have very little faith in most like at this point.

Kevin Palmieri:

I just have very little faith in most leaders in general, honestly. Yeah, so that's a whole, that's a whole, nother thing. I've seen behind the curtain too many times. But the reason that isn't negative to me is because I've done enough work to say like, yeah, no, that's true, that's true. I think that's what personal development does. It allows you to take reality and sit with it. Sit with the reality of whatever the truth is, because when you work on yourself, I think internally you become stronger. I think externally you become stronger as well. The external world does not affect you to the same degree necessarily. All right, so feedback from alan is not the same as it used to be.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm sorry to interrupt you. Not only is it not detrimental, that's actually constructive. Yeah, so now you will, because I said that and your reaction to it and that was the part I was missing in the past, Like I thought saying things like that was constructive. And I realize now it depends on the person, right? So, and again, I always knew that to some extent, but not to the extent I do now but that now you can learn how to be. The first step to becoming a better leader is accepting that you aren't yet.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah.

Alan Lazaros:

Why would you work on leadership if you think you're a good leader?

Kevin Palmieri:

I think true. Self-personal what the fuck am I saying? Self-improvement, personal development I always get them mixed up makes you way more mature as a person.

Alan Lazaros:

That's what I was trying to say.

Kevin Palmieri:

You and I have met a lot of people who are very successful in business and behind the scenes they are just kids. They're not that well personally developed. Their business development is high or their fitness development is high or their financial acumen is high. Their personal development set point is not that high. We've talked about that many times. Personal development set point is like the thermometer Like where are you in terms of what's your temperature? Right now it's a 70. Cool, you spend time around people who are 70 and above because you're trying to level that up. Anytime it drops below a certain point, you kick it on and say I've been kind of letting myself go lately. I got to get back in the flow of things. Fitness, same thing. Right, my thermometer, my set point. I went beyond it. I went lower than I'm comfortable. So I kicked it on and I got in shape.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, your standards. You went below your. The set point is not only a standard, but it's also a know-how.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah.

Alan Lazaros:

I had a mentor last piece who I do have to hop here in a second. His business development set point was really really high. He was a multi, multi, multi, multi-millionaire, but his set point in personal development was low. So he ended up divorced because he wasn't emotionally available and he didn't understand vulnerability, courage, humility all the stuff that I'm learning at CCP One of my favorite things about this podcast, conscious Couples.

Alan Lazaros:

I just learned distinctions, deeper understanding and distinctions last piece. A deeper understanding is okay. I connected a bunch of dots Interesting. Now I get it. I get it. Now. I just read a book. I bought four books last night.

Alan Lazaros:

They weren't that expensive, not that you care, making numbers count and the whole book is talking about the Guinness Book of World Records and how no one, not no one, but how, statistically speaking, most people don't understand the difference in a million and a billion. And that blew my mind and just real quick. The million is if you won a million dollars on Thanksgiving and you spent $50,000 every day, you'd basically run out of money by Christmas. If you did a billion, you won a billion dollars. It would take 55 years to run out of money. And what the premise of this book is is no one really understands the difference until you tie it to experiential learning. For me that was a distinction of that's why I'm a terrible speaker, because to me, I know all the numbers and I'm, I think, in numbers. That's my first modality of thinking and this book is basically saying that that's not the case for almost anybody and according to the book, not me, please don't villainize me. So now I know why no one gets what I'm talking about until years later. Because now I have so many people I coached six, five, seven years ago, you eight years ago, and you guys are like, oh, and I'm like, I fucking said that eight years ago but it didn't land experientially, because I'm thinking all in numbers and so deeper understanding distinctions, personal development inside, outside you, the results in your life will be predicated on your own personal development set point and when you invest in yourself. I have courses I spent $3,000 on. They made me a better leader or a better. One of them is called insane productivity. It made me so much more productive. I mean it was.

Alan Lazaros:

You have to, just like you, invest in a house, you have to invest in yourself. You have to. That's I mean. What is education? What is going to college. That's an investment in your brain, that's an investment in your learning. That's an investment in yourself.

Alan Lazaros:

We think of high school as free, because public schools are free Not everywhere, but for us it was. Public schools were free and better be with our education. I'm kidding. But ultimately that's not actually free. Taxpayers pay for that, and so when you go to school, you're investing in your education, and I now realize that that's not necessarily a common mindset. Most of us are consumers and not investors, and personal development is an investment. Short term, it's actually terrible. Long term, eventually it's. Oh, this is really. This is really paying off. Back, when I was getting biscuits thrown at me, I was a miserable human being. I mean, I just thought, okay, one day my future will be a lot better than this and I'm going to come back and fire this dude will be a lot better than this and I'm gonna come back and fire this dude. But I just kept investing, kept investing, kept investing and eventually, you know, I'm excited to to have other people, you know, really invest in themselves too, because it does work.

Kevin Palmieri:

It really does work it does, it just takes time it takes a long takes commitment and you have to say look, I'm in this for the long haul. It's not, this is not a get anything quick thing, it's not. It's like you're planting seeds. You're just planting seeds every day, little seed, little seed, little seed. Then you water the seed, then eventually it sprouts, and then it, then it grows, and it grows, but that's all. You're just planting seeds daily, that's it, that's that's. I think that's probably the best way to think about. All right, I gotta call. I got to call, I got to hop on with a client, so we're going to pop on out of here. As always, as always, as always, as always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you. And at NLU we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Alan Lazaros:

Keep it next level.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thanks for joining of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros:

We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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