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Are You Growing or Just Distracting Yourself From The Real Work? (2057)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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In today’s episode of Next Level University, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros challenge the feel-good side of self-improvement and talk about the kind that helps you change. They introduce the idea of "Snuggie Self-Improvement"—things that make you feel better but don’t help you grow. From fitness metaphors to mindset shifts, they show how hard, honest work, not comfort, builds confidence, grit, and lasting change.

Alan shares how intense training for a bodybuilding win taught him the difference between doing what's easy and what's necessary. Kevin gives examples of how even helpful-sounding advice can hold you back if it’s not honest. They both highlight the importance of feedback, pain with purpose, and building emotional muscle the same way you build physical strength.

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Show notes:
(1:06) The Snuggie metaphor for false progress
(6:10) How to build grit through meaningful goals
(8:45) Pain now vs. pain later—your choice
(13:59) Why fitness discipline is a strong growth example
(15:30) Meet like-minded people and jumpstart your journey to achieving your dreams while optimizing your life. Join Next Level Group Coaching. https://www.nextleveluniverse.com/group-coaching/
(17:37) True growth comes from honest feedback
(21:26) What real coaching looks like
(25:50) Finding the right challenge for where you are
(26:27) Outro

Send a text to Kevin and Alan!

Kevin Palmieri:

Are you actually growing or are you wrapping yourself into a comfortable snuggie that you want to feel like growth but isn't actually growth?

Alan Lazaros:

When you study productivity, I'll never forget I heard this line. Most of us are running around doing what is fun and easy at the expense of what is hard and difficult, but very important.

Kevin Palmieri:

Next Level Nation today for episode number 2000 in 57. Are you growing or just distracting yourself from the real work? The second one, second one Nice, not nice. I was. What was I doing? Like I was looking at. I don't remember what it was. I think it was like I was looking at a book review and the book review as we are at some point of course.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, something came out about an author allegedly in the self-improvement personal development space. I had to do a little bit of research and then I was reading about the book. Do I know?

Kevin Palmieri:

about this, of course. And they somebody said honestly, this book is just, it's just a Snuggie. And I was like, interesting, nice, what does that mean? And then I looked at the other comments and they said this book is designed to make you feel good, but it will facilitate almost no change in you. It will facilitate almost no change. So I did a video today on Instagram and I talked about this how a Snuggie is warm and it's comfortable and it's awesome. Did that post?

Alan Lazaros:

get any love.

Kevin Palmieri:

Which one? The one you did? Probably not. No, nobody fucking. If you listen to the podcast, give me a follow, give me some love. I'm out here getting ghosted all the time. It hurts man fucking. If you. If you listen to the podcast, give me a follow, give me some love. I'm out here getting ghosted all the time. It hurts man. No, I probably not.

Alan Lazaros:

I think I saw I gave it some love I appreciate that you and two other folks I'm hold on.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm on there I'm gonna get some love on there. I'm gonna dump the comments on there. I'm gonna dump the pecs out and start. The shirtless pictures are doing it. That's what I'm doing. From now on, I'm gonna do shirtless self-improvement that's it.

Alan Lazaros:

That's what I'm doing. From now on, I'm gonna do shirtless self-improvement that's the that's gonna be the new brand. That's gonna be the new brand. Let me see how we're doing on facebook. I want to. I want to give kev some love. Okay, not bad, 35 views. You got mom and memes. Yeah, you got four likes when I loved it already. Yeah, good, I remember seeing it going. I wonder how this will do you started it out with. This is the hard thing about coaching.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, a lot of great hook. Look, I don't tell you how to write your fucking posts. Don't tell me what to do with mine.

Alan Lazaros:

You actually do. I used to. I don't anymore. Yeah, I know I love it. I love it, I love it. I just I remember when I saw it I was curious. I needed the data. I wanted to see how it did.

Kevin Palmieri:

It's like I'm just going to talk about what moves me and it will move a couple other people.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, I appreciate it, man, I respect it.

Kevin Palmieri:

I respect it.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm glad dude.

Kevin Palmieri:

This is the thought, this is the thought process. A Snuggie is warm. You throw it on, you're comfortable, you feel safe. Awesome, you wear that snuggie out to the wilderness and you're going to fucking die, versus learning how to build a fire. Learning how to build a fire Sucks. It's cold, it's raining. You got to go find the wood, you got to cut the wood. You got to do all this stuff. I need some some Tinder. I need some kindling. I got to get this going. Okay, I don't know how to do it. The wood is wet, the wind blew it over and you don't get a fire going and then you're just freezing that night.

Kevin Palmieri:

One of those is good for skills, the other one is good for comfort, and I think a lot of a lot of people end up. How many people have you met that say they're into fitness and they have the shoes and the lululemons and they got the matching water bottles and the matching beats and they never go to the gym? You are not. You're. That's a distraction. You're distracting yourself from the actual skill set that you're trying to develop. So what do?

Alan Lazaros:

you say to yourself, mid-set, when it's hard, when you're trying to push it, I say find failure do you say it out loud?

Kevin Palmieri:

no, I no, I don't want to. People are gonna think I'm a fucking psycho. Yeah, I say it out loud.

Alan Lazaros:

Oh, what do you say?

Kevin Palmieri:

inside your head I say either you hit x amount of reps or your family doesn't come home.

Alan Lazaros:

Okay, it's a little darker.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. No, no, I think that's good, I think that's, I don't know. I'm wondering, like, for my psyche, I could be a little I've, I don't know. I failed once with that, but every other time I've done it. But there was one time where I was like, well, sorry babe, I couldn't do, I couldn't, I physically couldn't do it. I'm gonna, I might actually die if I try this.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, find failure up. I say up, up, it's good, makes sense like put the weight up. You know it's good. What else do I say?

Kevin Palmieri:

oh, focus for sure, for sure. I say do not focus. I say I say focus up. I remember hearing you say that. I say do not, do not fucking quit. I say that, I say that out. Loud. Nice, I say that out loud.

Alan Lazaros:

I'll say let's fucking go up. This is getting hard, focused up. I like it. Find failure. I say that in my head all the time. Find failure, make it hurt, make it hurt. I say that shit on the reg, make it hurt. Also, you're not going to like this one Suffer. I say that shit constantly. People do look at me weird, yeah, of course, especially in my small town gym, especially in my small town gym. The truth is, though, that actually does push you to reach your potential, just like the metaphor of the Snuggie. You need the Snuggie for when you come home from battle, but you can't bring the Snuggie into battle. You got to bring your fucking armor and your spear and your shield and your sword, and you better come correct, because the world this is the hardest thing too.

Alan Lazaros:

I talk, I coach, yeah, several mothers, and we are often having conversations about how do you and I'm learning from them too, because I don't have kids yet, but I'm gonna Emilia and I have had conversations about this too how do you create the right amount of grit? There's a book called Grit by Angela Duckworth, and she says I like that. Angela Duckworth writes that book from the lens of how to parent. She's like when I read that book from the lens of being a parent. There's a way, because you can develop grit through goals. You don't have to develop grit through an atrocious childhood. You can do it through setting goals and I think the higher your goals are, the more grit you'll have to develop.

Alan Lazaros:

And at the end of the day, even if you didn't resonate with what Kevin and I were saying right there which you probably didn't that was necessary at one point for us to win bodybuilding competitions. Like you can't I mean some of these dudes are. You can't just step on stage. These are animals, these are animals. And if you're going to win a bodybuilding show I won one, you won one. I won the overall as well, because I'm apparently the man in this conversation, but seriously, I lost two of three and I was like I will not fucking lose this thing, I'm not losing two years in a row. And there was one dude that was an animal and I'm no, I'm going to beat this fucking guy. And every workout for three months was that. It was just pure. It's the worst. It's the worst, it was the worst, but that's the real work. And on the other shows I wasn't as disciplined. I wasn't doing what was hard and necessary, I was doing what was fun and easy. And again, I did some hard work. But at the end of the day, it is obvious why I lost the other ones and won the one I won.

Alan Lazaros:

It was just one of them was much more to the metaphor you used earlier. It was in the woods, in the rain, light and fire, hungry as hell, texting your ex-coach. I was like dude, I need a refeed. I'm freaking out. He's like if you want to win, you know Too bad, oh, you need a refeed. Too bad, too bad, yeah. And he was right, I won. So I appreciate it. And again, at the end of the day, don't set goals that are bad for your mental health. But I do agree that a lot of us are avoiding the hard, painful stuff when in reality that actually is what we need. I'd rather have pain now, on my own, by my own choice, than pain later because I avoided pain for so long.

Kevin Palmieri:

I agree. It's like, would you rather feel good now or would you rather be able to feel better later, when things are going wrong? Because they're going to go wrong eventually and the Snuggie is only going to get you. It's only going to get you so far. It's only going to get you so far. It doesn't help you develop. It doesn't help you evolve. It doesn't teach you skills. It doesn't teach you so far. It doesn't help you develop. It doesn't help you evolve. It doesn't teach you skills. It doesn't teach you strategies. It doesn't teach you. It's not. That's gonna. That's the new thing, it's. So there was bumper sticker self-improvement.

Alan Lazaros:

This is snuggie self-improvement what's an example of snuggie self-improvement from your perspective?

Kevin Palmieri:

man, I don't know if I have a good example. I'd have to like see it.

Alan Lazaros:

Oh, I have a and I didn't ask you because this just came to me, please. There's someone I'm having on my podcast, business Growth University. His name is Michael Burt. We interviewed him way back, two times actually. We saw him speak. We were supposed to see David Meltzer. David Meltzer's slot got changed so we ended up seeing Michael Burr and he crushed Very, very, very strong speaker. I felt very bad for who came after him. Seriously, yeah, that dude was in trouble, he I was listening to a video of his on his YouTube channel and he said he said something and I want to keep this anonymous, but I kind of don't.

Alan Lazaros:

There's a company called Strategic Coach and we've had clients in the past that have worked there and I'm not trying to hate on Strategic Coach because I've read many books from them, what they do over there. I think they have valuable concepts. I really do. I like their mental frameworks. But he said something that I loved because we've had some clients that work there or do strategic coach and all that kind of stuff. He said I was a part of strategic coach, the strategic coach program, and I realized at some point and this was a keep in mind this he's giving a speech on what he calls prey drive, which is motivation, being ignited and motivated, and competitive and being driven driven, he said. I realized I got to get the fuck out of here. Like, this is a bunch of people trying to learn how to work less.

Kevin Palmieri:

I have worked with many people many, a fair amount of people from strategic coach and that is the same. And again, I'm not crapping on it I get the same exact vibe.

Alan Lazaros:

It's a vibe right. I can't listen to those books without losing my drive.

Kevin Palmieri:

You achieve a certain level of success and then you use your money to work less. That is what I saw from that, and again, I didn't work with a ton of people from there, but a couple.

Alan Lazaros:

I've gotten some world-class mental frameworks from there. But I'm not going to lie, when I listen to those books, I'm less driven, and that's dangerous. It is. It depends on your goals. Again, it depends on your goals.

Alan Lazaros:

Now here's the deal. I'll never forget listening to this guy. I'm going to keep it anonymous, I don't want to be disrespectful to anyone, but I listened to this guy and his concepts are awesome and he wrote a bunch of books and I read them all and I was like, yes, and I told him really I love this. This dude's smart, I love this thinking, I love his thinking. I kept saying that I love his thinking, I love his thinking, I love his thinking. And he was talking as if he was jacked Dude on these books. He's like I'm in better shape than I was in my forties and I'm in better shape than I was in my fifties, dude.

Alan Lazaros:

I saw a live speech of this guy and I was so upset. I was like, oh my God, you were acting like you were some world-class athlete. You're not even remotely in shape. What do you now? Again, everything's relative. You can see the pain in my voice. Listen, I come from a different industry. I'll be brief about this, but I did fitness. I was a fitness competitor, fitness model, fitness coach, 43 photo shoots, bodybuilding competitions. I remember when Kevin and I were bodybuilders and we came into the personal development space and I remember thinking there is personal development in the fitness industry. There is not a lot of fitness in the personal development industry, like what is that about? You and I have been to events where we looked around and there was a couple other bodybuilders, but not many.

Kevin Palmieri:

You remember when we were at. I think it was Brennan Burchard. You'll remember the dude. I know who he was. He was an animal.

Alan Lazaros:

It was unbelievable. And his partner was in great shape too. Yeah, they were something different. They were something different and I respect it. I mean, you can't fake that. And he was natural, I think too. Again, he didn't seem too out of this world, like you can kind of tell natural physiques versus not natural physiques At least I can Sometimes. And again, sometimes it's tough, but I feel like he could have been natural and he was just an impressive specimen and I know what that takes, the work that that takes.

Alan Lazaros:

But, dude, I looked around that room and I remember thinking, kevin and I, the dedication and the work ethic in fitness is just significantly higher. And and in my head it's well, we're in a personal development seminar. Where's the fitness at? And again, I'm not trying to be unkind to anyone, I just came from the fitness space.

Alan Lazaros:

And when you're in the fitness world, I mean everybody is just so fucking driven. You notice that when you were in the fitness world, I mean, dude, there are people in the fitness game that are fucking animals and they do not miss, and they work three hours a day in the gym and they're I mean they don't miss a supplement, they have a regimen. And then I remember getting into this space going. Why is everyone trying to work less, like that doesn't work in fitness. You can't work less. You have to be more dedicated. Because you can't pay for a body Apparently you can now which is plastic surgery and all that. But again, kevin and I are, I like that, we're getting our bodybuilder back. I feel like we are swinging back to five and hopefully doing it in a healthy way.

Kevin Palmieri:

Next level nation. What is happening? If you've thought to yourself, I want to try coaching, but you don't really know where to start, group coaching would be a wonderful place for you. That's really why we created it in the first place. We start a new round every 90 days. So if you're hearing this, go to the website nextleveluniversecom and we have the landing page where you can actually hold your spot right now. Even if there's a hold your spot right now, even if there's a group going on right now, you can still lock your spot for the next one. The biggest thing that we've seen is, as we get closer and closer to the date, unfortunately, some people end up missing. The group fills up and they can't do it, and then they end up regretting that. So please head over to the website the link will be in the show notes and we would love to see you there.

Kevin Palmieri:

You asked before that what an example was of snuggie self-improvement. Remember we were talking about this. If it's meant for you, you can't mess it up. That is, that literally suggests that you have to take no possible uh, no personal responsibility, and it was like supposed to happen. That's dumb as shit. It's that is. It makes you feel good. It makes you feel real. It's like, okay, let's say you have two mentors, one mentor. You go to them, you, you, you're struggling in your relationship and you're not leading effectively, and your list of things. You go to your mentor and you say, yeah, I don't know, I just I feel like, I feel like nothing's going right in my relationship and I can't figure it out. And they say, oh yeah, no, super common, it's all your partner, your partner, sucks.

Kevin Palmieri:

That's what I thought. That's what I thought. I thought that's what I thought. That's what I thought. I thought that's what I thought. Yep, changed nothing. Honestly, that's probably not going to work. Next one will be better. Fuck yeah, that's what I thought. Thank you so much. Thank you, you're the best. What do I owe you? 17.95 boss.

Alan Lazaros:

Okay, gotcha cool in this case probably 10 grand. Yeah, that'll be 10 000, that'll be 10 000 that'll be 10 000 second person.

Kevin Palmieri:

You go to them and they say, look, kev, between you and I, you kind of letting it, you're letting it slide a little bit, you're not? You're not really like, you're not, uh, showing up as the best version of yourself, right? Well, no, I mean, I'm overwhelmed. And no, no, that's not what I asked, I didn't ask that.

Kevin Palmieri:

No, no, I know, I know, because where are you riding the lightning? You're focused on growth, I know. Are you more emotionally available or less emotionally available than usual? Yeah, I'd say less. Okay, how do you think that makes your partner feel? Probably unseen, probably unseen. How would you feel if you felt unseen? Well, yeah, no, that's fair. And you go in this beautiful conversation and you leave there saying, damn shit, it is. I do have a part to play in this.

Kevin Palmieri:

It's not just them. That one makes you feel really good and sets you up for failure. The other one you don't feel as good, but you're. You have more competence to avoid those bad feelings again. That that I think that's all snuggie self-improvement is is I'm going to give you a little bit of something to make you feel good, but so the next time you don't feel good you'll come back to me so I can help you feel good again. But I'm never, ever, ever going to try to give you the skills so you can fly the coop and never come back. Those are the. I think those are the two, two diverging paths of self personal development. It flows better with self-improvement.

Alan Lazaros:

I made a decision when I turned 30 to get rid of all that. I just you. There's an expiration date on realizing that doesn't work. We're going to talk about that tomorrow a little bit as well. I'm excited and I just connected this now but for years I've been trying to use fitness as a metaphor for the necessity of suffering toward goals and Kev's like nah, it's not suffering, it's painful but it's not suffering. And you like the pain in the gym, right, and that's what you've been saying. Basically, you enjoy it. Okay, I think you've learned to enjoy it. I think I'm that way when it comes to facing tough mirrors, I want to I'm not kidding.

Alan Lazaros:

When we get off the meetup yesterday, amy and I, we talked I don't care about the win, I awesome, right, I'm so great, I don't care. That's not relevant. Where did we suck? Where do we need to get better? That's what matters to me. I care about getting better.

Alan Lazaros:

I said this to you years ago. I said this to Amelia when we first met. I said I just want to get better, like that's. If you want to actually support me, you have to care about telling me what is necessary to get better. You called me fat and I thanked you. You motivated me. That I appreciate it. Now I need, I want to be. I don't want to be treated disrespectfully, I don't want to be bullied, I don't want you to be a fucking dickhead, but I do want you to tell me the truth where you think I could be better, and you better be leading by example and you better be not telling me to do something that you have no merit to talk about. But at the end of the day, I really appreciated that and I do. I appreciate the feedback and I think, the way that you've reframed pain in the gym for fitness growth. I feel like I'm working really hard on. What hurts me emotionally isn't. Oh damn, I'm not smart enough yet or oh damn I'm not working hard enough.

Alan Lazaros:

Or oh damn my injury. Or oh damn, I'm kind of fat that doesn't. And again, fat's a bad word, dumb's a bad word. I get it For me. I don't. I don't have a negative association with being fat. I was tall and lanky. I don't have any negative association with being fat. I've never been fat. I've almost never been fat based on. I can think of one time I gained 60 pounds in six months and most of it was fat.

Alan Lazaros:

But at the end of the day, it's not about the words I'm choosing. It's not about being dumb or fat or any of that stuff. It's, I think, when we are treated unjustly or we are bullied, or when people are trying to be unkind or people are attacking you like Kev can say hey, man, you're really letting it go and I'm saying it because I care and I know that you care. That to me is not an attack. That's you sincerely caring about me and I think that that's really powerful. That's what a good coach does.

Alan Lazaros:

A good coach cares enough about you and believes in you so much that they want to see you flourish. And they believe in you so much and they want to see you win so badly that they are willing to tell you the truth, hard truth, that no one else will tell you. I told kev this in the past. I said I don't even want to tell you this. It would actually behoove me to not mention this many times. But I I want to see you win and and once you do get on the other side of that and you grow and you develop and all this stuff.

Alan Lazaros:

You get to see these people flourish and to me that's the biggest satisfaction in the world because you get to see these people achieving all their goals and dreams. I mean, I obviously talk a lot about my failures and where I suck and all that stuff, but ultimately I have so many people that are just achieving all their goals and dreams. They're consistent, they're attractive, they're in shape, they're just fucking killing it and I get to witness these people that are just flourishing way beyond any statistical norm. And I know that a lot of it comes down to hard conversations that are not snuggie self-improvement they're not. My conversations with me are never going to be snuggie because the goal isn't fun. The goal is not warmth and cuddly. The goal is to look at where you are currently inadequate so that you can improve, and I think that that's that's one part of the equation that I think a lot of us are missing.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, I agree, I agree and I think I think I said this in the video. I understand that life is hard and you're are. There's a lot of resistance you're already facing. You just have to find the right amount. I'm not saying you have to go stand in traffic naked to get an idea of of where you're at in terms of your fitness. I'm not saying that that's probably not constructive. That's, I can't imagine that's constructive for most people I can't imagine that's constructive for anyone, right?

Kevin Palmieri:

I mean, I'm sure there's people out there. They're like you know what, what I'd actually like to give that a go. I feel like that would be pretty exciting. It's like you know, let your flag fly, my friend. You let your flag fly, you're probably going to get arrested. You're definitely going to get arrested, but maybe you're into that too. Like, who am I to tell you how to live your life? Just find the right amount of it. Find the right amount of it up. Yeah, it's probably getting that snuggie and watch a movie and make some popcorn and you do your thing If you want to, if you feel like, ah, I feel like I left a lot on the table today. I really could have put more in.

Kevin Palmieri:

All right, let's face some truth. Do you really need to hit snooze every time it goes off? No, you don't Probably. Do you need to hit snooze when you can't fall asleep and you sleep like garbage? Maybe, but you don't have to do it every day. That's not going to be constructive for you, right? So my next level lesson, and I'll kick it to you for yours start from a place that's constructive and just start taking more ownership and more feedback of the things that you are in control of. And I'm telling you, eventually you will be grateful you did in the interim. It doesn't feel great, but the snuggie is always going to be there. But it's never going to help you get better. You're always going to go back and it's going to be the same snuggie on the same couch. Growth. The problems will improve, the solutions will be better. You will improve. You'll feel better about yourself.

Alan Lazaros:

Self-belief, self-worth, all that stuff my next level lesson I'll never forget. When I first met Amelia it was a first or second date and I said can you grow without challenge? She turned to me, she said no. And I said can you have challenge without any pain? She said no, no-transcript said I'm sorry if I was too hard on you, because you've been going through it to you, kev, I am trying to be aware, but if I'm always babying you, what the fuck are we doing here? Right, there's an emotional state. What is constructive and what is destructive? It comes down to that, and that changes on the day-to-day, month-to-month, year-to-year.

Alan Lazaros:

What is constructive for someone at the beginning of running is very different than someone who's a you know marathoner. A marathoner is like hey, get out there and fucking run. Right, what are we doing here? Someone who's brand new? You can't say that. That doesn't make any sense, right? So at the end of the day, stay in the constructive zone, which is the right amount of feedback, the right amount of truth, the right amount of intensity, and, just like in the gym, you put the right amount of weight for growth. If you put on too much weight, you get injured. If you don't put on enough, you don't grow. Aim too high and you get humble pie. Aim too low and you won't grow.

Kevin Palmieri:

Boom. I thought you were going to say shoot for the moon. If you miss, you're still amongst the stars.

Alan Lazaros:

No, why would I say that I don't know, we don't think that's a good saying. I think it's bad?

Kevin Palmieri:

I think it's bad. You die, you miss, you die Off into the abyss. I don't even know what's going to happen. You could turn into an asteroid. I have no idea what's going to happen to you, but it's not going to be good. It's definitely not going to be good Floating around Jupiter, saturn, uranus, all uranus, all right. If you're looking for growth and you're looking to make sure you're growing and not distracting yourself from the stuff that really freaking matters, join our private Facebook group Next Level Nation a daily gentle kick in the butt to help you get to where you want to get to.

Alan Lazaros:

And if you want some more fitness accountability, we have a fitness accountability group that Kevin and I have been in every single day. It's called Next Level Fitness Accountability Very original, it's a private WhatsApp group. Dm myself or Kevin on Instagram and or email us, both of which will be in the show notes. It's totally free. There's people on fire in there, I'm telling you. I'm telling you. There's jokes going on. Kevin was flexing. Someone did a little gif of SpongeBob flexing. It's awesome. It's not a toxic place. It's just a place where you get to be around people getting after it.

Kevin Palmieri:

Boom, as always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you and at NLU, we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Alan Lazaros:

Keep it next level, next Level Nation.

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