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What’s The Actual Equation For Success? (2068)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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In today’s fun and thought-provoking episode of Next Level University, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros break down the three core elements they believe are essential for lasting success. They challenge each other’s views, share personal stories, and explore the deeper meaning behind effort, direction, focus, and more. Whether you're building a podcast, a business, or a better version of yourself, this episode offers simple yet powerful insight to guide your next step.

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Show notes:
(2:22) Success isn’t doing more, it’s doing what matters
(5:35) Kevin’s top pillar: Effort over everything
(9:09) Alan’s case for intelligence as power
(12:25) Direction matters more than speed
(15:10) Meet your people. Chase your dreams. Level up your life with Next Level Group Coaching. https://www.nextleveluniverse.com/group-coaching/
(16:55) Focus as a superpower in today’s world
(19:31) Longevity: The underrated key to mastery
(28:15) Redefining success through personal growth
(30:24) Outro

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Kevin Palmieri:

You may have heard the quote that success leaves clues. Well, what if you could figure out what the clues were before you had to follow in somebody else's footsteps? So if we could create a success equation, what are the three things that would be involved? Our goal is to find out those three things today.

Alan Lazaros:

Equation, one of my favorite words ever of all time. So I'm showing the camera on YouTube, my iPhone. I have an iCloud note called Principles, and one of them is everything has a formula, even if you're not yet aware of exactly what it is.

Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University. I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri, and I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus. At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros:

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Kevin Palmieri:

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Alan Lazaros:

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Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University, next level nation. Today, for episode number 2068, what's the actual equation for success? You and I have been asked many times how do you become a successful podcaster? How do you become what the freak can I help you with? I?

Alan Lazaros:

just realized. The quote I picked said formula, not equation. I didn't really see, I wasn't even paying attention.

Kevin Palmieri:

I should have said equation. You jiffed you and I have been asked many times whether it's on podcast or whether it's by clients. How do you create a successful podcast? How do you create a successful business? How do you create a successful relationship? And I don't know about you, but very rarely do. I just say it's these three things, because there's way more to it. So even in today's episode, we're going to try to come up with three each, but there's, it is an iceberg and there's a million things under each of these, but hopefully it's a really good place to start Challenge.

Alan Lazaros:

I don't think there's a million but, I, think there's a lot more than three.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, some would say there's infinite. The Alan I knew would say there was infinite things.

Alan Lazaros:

There's not Well yeah that's the duality. There's infinite principles and there's infinite things you can get better at, but there's certain things that matter a lot more than others, and I said this on group coaching last night. I said success in podcasting is not doing 10,000 things, it's doing basically five things 10,000 times and getting really, really good at them. And so I do think success is the dance between all the stuff you have to get done and then focusing and mastering these other things sort of in the center. But I digress.

Kevin Palmieri:

What is your number one? So we're going to each try to come up with three.

Alan Lazaros:

It's the same as yours, I think. Okay, if I had to guess.

Alan Lazaros:

Okay, well, you can, you can lead it if anyone has, if anyone has google, if anyone has the internet which you do because you're listening to this wow, this is gonna be real good google, chat, gpt, whatever search engine, whatever ai you use I, I know Google search engine uses an AI. Now Meta has one which is also Facebook. At the end of the day, if you look up self-efficacy, there's a bunch of research. We call it self-belief and I think self-belief is a far better term. It's how much do you believe in yourself? How much do you believe, how much certainty do you have, that you can achieve X, y or Z? Self-belief by far the most important, because I realized 99% of what I've been able to accomplish despite a lot of really painful adversity is due to just really never questioning whether or not I could. It's a big piece of it Is that, not yours, no, yeah, no, that's.

Kevin Palmieri:

I wake up in the morning and just possibilities seem endless to me. I can do anything I choose.

Alan Lazaros:

No, but I meant just survive. I'm not asking what it's been for you, I'm asking what your. That wouldn't be part of your equation. No, if you had to pick three things, self-belief isn't in it. No, what you've been lying to me this entire time.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, I want to go in a. I want to go in a different direction, understanding that did you know I was going to pick self-belief?

Alan Lazaros:

Is that what?

Kevin Palmieri:

this is no, no, no, no, no, no. We also didn't really talk about this. It was like I kind of threw Alan the idea and he's like, yeah, man. And then I threw him another idea and he's like that's the worst idea ever. I was like, okay, I'll think of something else. And then we jumped on the mics and we're recording imagining for our audience that already knows how much we talk about self-belief oh well, that's an entirely different episode, sir.

Alan Lazaros:

I have been hoodwinked.

Kevin Palmieri:

So what's what's your? If I was on a podcast and somebody asked me self-belief, a thousand percent would be in there. But for this I want to go in a different direction, because I don't want to just say self-belief, because I you know we talk about that so much. I want to make sure it's. I want to approach from a different place today, if we can.

Alan Lazaros:

Okay, so we're not going to use self-belief.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm not going to mention self-belief, I'm not going to mention self-worth.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm not going to mention either of those. Okay, mine would change then to being around someone who you respect and admire from a sincere place, because if you don't, they won't rub off on you really, but if you really do, deep down, respect and admire this person from a sincere place, be around someone who has far higher standards for themselves than you do for yourself. I think that's a very important thing that I've searched my entire life for.

Kevin Palmieri:

I would say that is supremely important. Again, going to go in a different direction. Going to go in a different direction. Number one effort, number one effort. So, like this is going to be, this would be like the top of the top of the top of the equation, and then there'd be a bunch of things under it. Under effort would be skills, it would be consistency, it would be competence, it would be strengths, it would be weaknesses, it would be all of that stuff. It would be like the strategy. But I think effort is the most important.

Alan Lazaros:

If we're just talking about Okay, talking about okay, but you remember the movie cast away. Oh yeah, huge fan, great. How do you make a great film doing nothing on an island, by yourself, don't know, crushed?

Kevin Palmieri:

it, crushed it. There is no community. So what? How? How did that person create success to get off that island?

Alan Lazaros:

I'm thinking that coconuts wilson what made an axe out?

Kevin Palmieri:

of a skate. We had an axe out of a skate, made a raft out of whatever. That opening scene is intense or not. The opening scene that plane crash scene is intense oh my goodness. So that's what I'm going in a different direction than you are that's okay.

Alan Lazaros:

That's the point of this.

Kevin Palmieri:

So number one for me is effort. What's number two for you?

Alan Lazaros:

I've been thinking a lot about this lately because I've been trying to figure out what exactly is it that I'm doing differently for my clients than other people or other coaches, and I think so. I was on with a client recently. You know who you are. Shout out to you and I pulled up my Facebook cover photos. Shout out to you and I pulled up my Facebook cover photos. And way, way, way, way, way back when I was in my early 20s, there was a cover photo on my Facebook of a pawn up against an entire row of chess pieces, and that was sort of a metaphor for it's you against the world, and if you're smart enough, you can win, even if you feel like just a pawn right now, because I felt like all of us are born into a situation where we are the pawn in someone else's game. Everyone you grew up in a family or not You're a pawn in someone else's game. When you learn how that game works and become more intelligent than everyone else, in that game, you are no longer a pawn. There are certain people that used to influence us in what I think are manipulative ways. Now we're too smart, we're on to you, fucker, and so you can't be manipulated. This is why really terrible leaders like to lead dumb people, because dumb people are easier to control and manipulate.

Alan Lazaros:

So the second one is intelligence. People are asking ChatGPT all these questions what if you were so smart that you knew all that All the time? And I'll define intelligence real quick. The reason why everyone's scared of AI is because it's too smart. Quote unquote. But I'm not scared of AI and the reason why is because I've spent my entire life trying to get smarter. And the reason why is because I've spent my entire life trying to get smarter and I think intelligence is understanding yourself, others and the world, how it works and why it works that way.

Alan Lazaros:

Yourself, others and the world how it works and why it works that way. If I understand myself, if I understand human beings and the human condition, and I understand the world and the economy and the and the globe and how it works and why it works that way and all the sciences, I am in full control of my own destiny. And so number one is get around someone who believes in you, who has higher standards than you, that you respect and admire. Number two is be the most intelligent human being on the planet, if you can Jesus? Interesting Because when you know how to do everything, everything becomes an option. You and I have argued knowledge is not power or knowledge is power. I actually think it is, and the reason why is because, now that you know how to start a podcast and how to grow a podcast, now you just can go do that. Well, you still do it though.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, those coconuts are potential.

Alan Lazaros:

That coconut was potential, but not really, because if you know how to use a coconut and how to open it and how to, create an axe out of there's very few people. The reason we don't take action is because we have too much uncertainty, and the reason we have too much uncertainty is we don't know enough so knowledge is is a big piece of the equation yeah, I agree, I, I would, I would agree with that 10 times out of 10.

Alan Lazaros:

Do you think knowledge and self-belief are connected? Because I think knowledge is 100 correlated hmm, what if I had more self-belief than you in the beginning of this journey, because I knew how to do it more than you did at the time?

Kevin Palmieri:

I would say that's probably accurate.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, I would say that's probably accurate like you're not uncertain about whether or not you're going to be able to drive later. Right, you have a lot of self-belief in a car because you have a lot of knowledge about how to drive a car after this.

Kevin Palmieri:

But in the beginning, after this double shot of whiskey, I probably, I probably will choose not to kidding, but yeah, so, anyways, I rest my case.

Alan Lazaros:

That was my second one.

Kevin Palmieri:

Okay, that's the second one. Okay, my second one direction. Yeah, that's very similar to knowledge. Yeah, I'm going like super high level, I think. I think in my mind it's like if, if we were having a three chapter book, these would be the chapters, but within it would be everything else we're talking about. But yeah, direction, that would be my second one. That's it. That's gonna make a case. My my mother said to me one time she said kev, direction is far more important than speed, because there's many people going nowhere fast. And I remember thinking that might be the best thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

Alan Lazaros:

First of all, she seriously said that yeah, what's what? How old were you? Oh, who knows, that's my idea.

Kevin Palmieri:

It's great. Now, did she see that somewhere? I'm guessing I don't think it just came to her. I love my mom. Mom, if you're listening, I'm not saying you couldn't have created this, but I don't know where the hell you got it from, but it was. It was fire. Yeah, that's real good. I I'm just thinking from the perspective of if somebody said you could only give me three, just three simple words on what has made the biggest difference, like what is the, what is the simplest version of the equation? That's what I'm coming with.

Alan Lazaros:

You've changed this frame six times on me.

Kevin Palmieri:

I know. Well, that's the thing is you don't really know where it's going to go until it goes. But I can tell you that my last one is going to be very simple.

Alan Lazaros:

So so far, I have mentor Yep, and intelligence yeah, and you have effort, yeah, and direction yeah, nice, yeah. What's your third one listeners out there, please dm myself or kevin and let us know who you think has the better equation for success also, if you're, if you're listening on spotify, you can literally comment on the episode. So you can do that as too.

Kevin Palmieri:

YouTube as well. Youtube as well. Youtube as well. Apple not yet. I'm sure they'll probably get there, maybe eventually, or they'll go out of business. One of the two. They're focused on other stuff. Man, they're coming, though. You can do video on Apple now. Really, they're coming for it. They're trying to catch up, but we'll see what happens.

Alan Lazaros:

I feel like Apple has neglected the podcast space for a while.

Kevin Palmieri:

I would agree.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, yeah, I would agree, my roommate in college was the head of the. Yeah, I'm not saying his name, so we're good. My roommate in college, one of my roommates in college is the head of the iTunes team that did the analytics, for that's wild. Yeah, I remember I picked his brain for like three hours to figure out how this all works and why it works that way and all that stuff. Anyways, okay, so number one, mentor. Number two intelligence. For you, it's effort and direction. Yeah, I always say trajectory matters more than current results. I love that, although socially, no one cares at all about your direction direction is an easier word than trajectory, so I like direction.

Kevin Palmieri:

How?

Alan Lazaros:

dare you.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'd resonate with that more. You know Trajectory. It's like don't flip your nose up to me when you're talking to me. You know, tell me with a word that I get Direction. Talk to me like you're talking to me. You know, talk to me like you're talking to me. Yeah, I'm in a weird mood today. I told Alan I'm cracking.

Alan Lazaros:

This is great.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm cracking under the pressure of this like a walnut. This is great, but not a bad way. It's all good.

Alan Lazaros:

My third one, so that we don't waste any more of anyone's time.

Kevin Palmieri:

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Alan Lazaros:

Okay, I'm on the fence about a couple words. Now that you got me on the word train here, yeah, I gotta say it's momentum, it's momentum, it I feel very, maybe maybe it's improvement. Oh, nope, can't all that Can it, can't at all. Okay, first word mentor. Second word intelligence. Third word is focus. Focus. I do believe and this is why I love metrics and habits Because if I can get you to track the right metrics, I can get you to focus on the right things. And where focus goes, that's where your momentum goes.

Alan Lazaros:

I had a client say hey, I want to come to the relationship talks event on Thursday. I really don't want to miss it. Do you think that I should reschedule this other thing? And the other thing is her one thing and we've all heard the quote of the main thing is to keep the main thing. The main thing and I said absolutely not Do not, ever, ever, ever cancel a therapy session. This is a clinician. Never, ever, ever cancel your one thing. That's the dumbest thing ever. I'm grateful you want to come to the RT event. I think it's going to be really valuable for you. If they reschedule on, you definitely come, but do not ever cancel a therapy session. That's your one thing. You're going to be a world-class clinician and focus In the 21st century, that's a skill that has to be worked on constantly.

Alan Lazaros:

I've been on social media a lot lately. I've been doing a lot of different stuff and it's very difficult to not get lost in the sauce. There's too much going on and it's very hard to stay focused, and I think that that's if we had to boil this down to one skill to be the most successful, it would be focus. In my opinion, I think that and again, I I used to not share this because I used to be such a coward, but I will size up someone's ability to focus the moment I meet them and I can determine their future success based on that.

Kevin Palmieri:

It's a soundbite right there.

Alan Lazaros:

Last piece and I'll kick it to you. Sure, in the gym I have something that I refer to as controlled rage, and it's the amount of focus that I have in a short amount of time because we only have 45 minutes and it's in the morning. We got have in a short amount of time because we only have 45 minutes and it's in the morning. We've got to get to our first session, emil and I. In the gym, I can tell who's committed and who's not. I can tell who's going to be in shape and who's not. You can tell. You can see there's a TV on and I always turn it off. People don't like that.

Kevin Palmieri:

They're not thrilled about that.

Alan Lazaros:

Some people turn it back on, Like are we here to lift or are we here to watch TV? Now, at the end of the day, everyone does what they want to do. Not everyone has to have my standards. I understand that I'm holding the duality here. It's not my gym Like put it back on if you want, but I, if you want to talk just about the success, I can tell who will be successful based on their level of focus.

Kevin Palmieri:

Okay, makes sense, I dig that. Okay, I had a third one, but I might change it.

Alan Lazaros:

Can you tell us both?

Kevin Palmieri:

The third one was going to be time. So high, high level effort, time direction, effort, time direction Like that is what I think success probably is at its simplest form, right, very blanket statement, not digging underneath, but I think it might be because time isn't enough. If you're not, it's time is not enough. If you're not constructing, it's like cool time is going to pass, no matter what. Probably longevity, I would say power, but that's two words, probably longevity. I think that we would only have been three year version success if we only made it three years in. And there's something, there's something to that If you have ever quit something before you achieve the result that you desired, desired, how do you know whether or not you could have actually achieved the result you desire? You don't. You don't know, because maybe you just didn't do it for long enough.

Alan Lazaros:

That that, that if you had lost your bodybuilding show, would you have done another one?

Kevin Palmieri:

no, probably not. I think that was the only one I was going to do, no matter what I probably could have if I won the whole thing and they said, come back and you can get your pro card. I don't know if I would have done it. I don't know. It wasn't. Yeah, I don't know. I did it to do it and then see what happens, and then it just wasn't a good experience. The leaner I get, though, the more I want to do another one. Yeah, the leaner I get, though, the more I want to do another one. Yeah, will I ever? I don't know, I don't think I could, I think it would be so detrimental to everything, but the leaner I get it would definitely be detrimental to everything but I could do it in a different way lose focus I would definitely lose focus.

Kevin Palmieri:

So probably longevity nice, I think that's a so effort. You've changed so much over the years, man, direction and longevity. What do you think I would have said eight years ago, god?

Alan Lazaros:

video games success there would have been a lot eight years ago. There would have been a lot more ego.

Kevin Palmieri:

For sure. I don't know if I would have had an answer. I probably would have said I don't even know. Honestly, it might be the same exact things. It might be effort, time and direction. I just wouldn't understand why. I would have just said them. But effort if you remove any of these, you're most likely not going to be successful. If you remove effort, it doesn't matter how many connections you have. Good luck, good luck.

Alan Lazaros:

You're competing against people who have connections and are working.

Kevin Palmieri:

We probably would have called it work ethic, probably, or grit, I think probably work ethic, because I didn't know anything. I knew how to practice grit, but I couldn't define it Without time. It doesn't matter, you might be way better than me at everything.

Alan Lazaros:

I don't think you would have said time back then. I feel like you thought things were going to pop off. That's fair. Yeah, that's fair. That's what I meant by you've changed so much. Is the longevity thing never used to land for you, because I'd always say eventually it was like my favorite word in the beginning Eventually. Oh, don't worry about it, Kev Eventually.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, it's easy to have that perspective when you're on the other side of eight years of something I mean I never. I had never done anything other than fitness for that long.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, well, dude, that I should have used that. I should have said Kev you, you eat pizza and fuck off with your diet and you're still jacked. Why do you think that is? And you would have probably said genetics, but I probably would have.

Kevin Palmieri:

It the truth, even when I fuck off, I'm not really fucking off.

Alan Lazaros:

You've been working out since you were 16 consistently. I mean, you're just on, you've had longevity in this. It's not the same game later on. That is such a hard thing. I just started Business Growth University and I'm trying really hard to talk to the people who I know are listening, which are my clients. But I also want to talk to people who are brand new in business and I'm finding that really difficult.

Kevin Palmieri:

Understandable, they're two different people.

Alan Lazaros:

They're two completely different people.

Kevin Palmieri:

Understandable.

Alan Lazaros:

I had the same thing with podcast growth.

Kevin Palmieri:

It was like do I want to talk about starting and launching podcasts or do I want to talk about growing and scaling podcasts? Those are different.

Alan Lazaros:

How have you done that?

Kevin Palmieri:

Are you still?

Alan Lazaros:

talking to new podcasters or are you talking to seasoned podcasters?

Kevin Palmieri:

I feel like I'm talking to seasoned podcasters and I had a conversation with myself on the microphone saying I want to be the guy who talks about podcasting and talks about podcasting success and all of that, but always adds in personal development and all of that, but always adds in personal development. Like there's always going to be an undertone of personal development in everything I do, because I that's such a big piece of who I am and it scares me to do that in that way, but I don't know if I want to do it any other way. I don't know. Will I lose people because of that? Yeah, probably, but I mean, this is who I am. At the end of the day, I'm the one who has to record the freaking episodes. So I got to make sure I'm aligned with who I am and it's also how you did it.

Alan Lazaros:

That's fair. If you and I took personal development out of this equation, we wouldn't be where we are or who we are no way.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, I do think you can be very externally successful without personal development, but I don't think you can be internally fulfilled without it and I don't think you can be holistically successful in terms of health, wealth and love without it. I think in one narrow area, you can be world-class without personal development, but if you want to be holistically well, healthy, wealthy and in love, you have to grow yourself. You have to work on yourself, and I've been saying this a lot lately. This is on my principles list as well is work harder on yourself than you do anything else? And I've been wondering on BGU too, everything's going to have a personal development undertone, but I'm trying to figure out. Am I talking to new business owners or am I talking to people who already own a business? So I got to figure all that out.

Alan Lazaros:

But ultimately, for anyone out there watching or listening on NLU Next Level University, success and personal development is what this podcast is about. If you take away your okay, imagine a person. They're not allowed to have a mentor, can't get mentors. No coaches, no mentors, no role models. You are not allowed to learn. You're not allowed to read books, you're not allowed to listen to podcasts, you're not allowed to become more intelligent. You're not allowed to learn from chat, gpt or Google and you're not allowed to focus you can't focus, you never developed the skill of focus.

Alan Lazaros:

Okay, you never developed the skill of focus? There's no way that person can be successful at anything. These are fundamentals.

Kevin Palmieri:

If they had two out of three would there be, do you think, two out of three?

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, I think you can be. You can be a certain level of successful with two out of three, but you can't be, you can't be top 1% at anything Because the and this is the thing that I really I've been saying a lot lately, I know we got to jump the science of success doesn't give a shit about how you feel about this. If I'm willing to focus, get smarter every single day and get mentors to help me accelerate the momentum, you're never going to win in a competitive world. You're never going to win in a competitive world. And to kevin's point, if imagine someone who I've completely forgotten them effort, no effort. They don't put in any effort.

Alan Lazaros:

Yep, they have no direction and they have no longevity. Time longevity, yeah, yeah, they can't stick around for the long run. That person can't really be that successful either. You can be reasonably successful, like you can have a day job, and there's nothing wrong with that I'm not trying to make that wrong but you're never going to be. I reached out to Stephen Collar to interview him for BGU. Stephen Collar wrote the Art of Impossible and he talks about high, hard goals and massively transformational purposes. It's a book, kevin, and I interviewed him back in the 600s and I was thinking to myself he cares about reaching his potential more than most. What am I going to interview him about? Because I want BGU to be about reaching your business potential. I think NLU is about reaching your own unique potential, and then Podcast Growth University is about reaching your podcast's potential. And I wonder too, kev, how many people actually care about reaching their potential? I feel like people do. I feel like they want to be better. I feel like everybody wants to be better At least that idea of it.

Kevin Palmieri:

It's different, though. There's a difference between wanting to get better and reaching your potential. Those are two very different things. I feel like one starts at the bottom and one finishes at the top. It's like reaching your potential is the top. Getting better is going from where you are today to a little bit, you know are you reaching your potential in fitness?

Kevin Palmieri:

more, uh, more than I have recently. Probably not more than I ever have, but more than I have recently from a holistic standpoint, more than I ever have, because I'm tracking sleep and I actually care about sleep and micronutrients and hydration. But if you were to look at me, I'm not, no, I no, I'm not, excuse me, I'm not in as good a shape as I once was. I think they're different.

Alan Lazaros:

Do you think people can be successful without caring about their potential? Yeah, a hundred percent A hundred percent, but not holistically.

Kevin Palmieri:

No, I think they can be successful without that too. What does successful even mean, though? Well, I think that's probably one of the most people, that's probably the number one thing in the equation is alignment, to figure out what success actually means. That's probably the most important thing, honestly yeah which is clarity on what you actually want.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, if it's money, one thousand percent. If it's money, you can hoodwink enough people into being rich and you don't have to really get good at anything other than lying. But that's going to be a completely empty existence and I don't think anybody really wants that.

Alan Lazaros:

For me, that's not even in the decision making.

Kevin Palmieri:

Same.

Alan Lazaros:

I could never. To me, that isn't success, though my definition of success means that I did it ethically.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, but you also have had opportunity. You also leveled up. When you were young, I think, you probably thought success was one thing. And then you got it and you're like, yeah, that's not exactly what I thought. And then you can. There's, there's, it's, it's a privilege to to achieve a certain and again, there's a lot of effort that goes into it. But when you get a certain level of success, it creates a new level of clarity and it creates a new level of desire, and then it becomes this whole thing. I do have to hop because I am about to get on a call here. Last last, last thing listeners.

Alan Lazaros:

Please reach out to Kevin or myself. Dm us on Instagram or Facebook. All of our stuff will be in the show notes. Reach out and say whose did you like better? Seriously, I'm not going to be offended. I would love to know. We love the data We'd love to meet you?

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, of course We'd love it. You dig? Yeah, all right, cool, as always. We love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you. And at NLU we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow. Episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros:

We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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