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It’s Arrogant To Think You Can Do It ALL On Your Own (2086)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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In today’s episode of Next Level University, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros get honest about the myth of doing it all alone. From sleep scores to burrito confessions, they show how humility and accountability aren’t just helpful, they’re essential. You’ll hear personal stories, team lessons, and a powerful breakdown of why public accountability fuels consistency and results. If you're trying to level up in life, love, health, or business, this episode will give you the mindset shift you didn’t know you needed.

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Show notes:
(3:10) The power of public accountability
(7:30) Two extremes that sabotage growth
(10:46) How teams create real results
(13:46) At NLU, your success is our purpose. Join us every first Thursday for tools, insight, and the spark to move forward. https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/drNdstrXSt6d7q7NnHITgA
(15:08) Humility, habits, and burritos
(19:47) Why accountability is a cheat code
(23:50) Success requires self-awareness and structure
(25:25) Outro

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Kevin Palmieri:

I think one of the most humble things in the world is saying to yourself I don't think I can do this on my own. And I think there's probably some people out there that would say, no, that's a sign of weakness, that just means you're not smart enough. No, I think that means you're smart enough to know that most people never accomplish giant things on their own, and I think that's totally fine and probably necessary.

Alan Lazaros:

It took me 30 years of my life to figure this out. People would always say no one achieves anything great alone. However, what I figured out is that one person raising the bar, reaching the next level, leading by example, raising the standard, can make a great team.

Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University. I'm your host, kevin Palmieri, and I'm your co-host, alan Lazarus. At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros:

Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life love health and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri:

We bring you a new episode every single day, on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros:

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Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation, today for episode number 2086. It's arrogant to think you can do it all on your own. Alan and I were chatting. I'm trying to proactively think of episodes like throughout the week, throughout the day. Last night worked a long day. I think I was having dinner and I was thinking to myself I really need to get to sleep. I want to stay up a little bit later tonight. Taryn's gone for the night. She's coming back tonight as the day of us recording this and I was like I want to hang out, I want to watch some stuff on YouTube, I kind of want to ride the lightning a little bit.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, I want to do a little, uh, what we call. I want to, I want to fuck off a little. I want to fuck off a little bit, just a little bit.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, I want to fuck off a little bit. And then I had this moment of oh no, I just joined a an aura. We're not sponsored Great products, big fan Link in the show notes. Okay, I'm joking. Every purchase pays us $25. No, yeah, it doesn't.

Alan Lazaros:

Great product though.

Kevin Palmieri:

Great products and you started an aura circle where everybody's going to be able to see my freaking scores. Next level sleepers baby. Next level sleepers.

Alan Lazaros:

Immediately, if you want in.

Kevin Palmieri:

Seriously, though, Listeners, if you want to sleep better, next level sleepers.

Alan Lazaros:

it's an aura circle. If you have an aura ring and you want to sleep better, reach out to me At some point we're most, at some point tell me this isn't going to happen.

Kevin Palmieri:

We're going to have a fitness accountability WhatsApp group. Well, you already have conscious couples. So the relationships, the relationship part is Health, wealth and love baby, we got to do the wealth part. We're going to have a next level fitness, next level finance accountability group. That's cool.

Alan Lazaros:

At some point. Hey, that's cool, you're freaking everybody out, you're freaking me out, I'm freaking you out.

Kevin Palmieri:

Five years Five years, five years, okay cool. So healthy wealthy and in love. That's the goal. I literally caught myself saying okay, I am in a group that is going to publicly see my sleep score. I have to have a different behavior. It's not great. Let me take a look. Yeah, I think I get a 74 or something last night.

Alan Lazaros:

Let me take a quick look, but that's what I have sorry, yeah, please, please go. You want me to continue 67 yeah, not rough one last night, rough one 92 for the kid.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, that's what did I get? Six hours and six hours and 30 minutes, something like that.

Alan Lazaros:

So what you don't know, but I don't want to tell you is, I can't go into it.

Kevin Palmieri:

Oh, you can't.

Alan Lazaros:

You only see the high-level scores. I don't think you can go into it. I don't even know how to access this. I don't even know if I can.

Kevin Palmieri:

You think?

Alan Lazaros:

I't see all the oh. I assume that's what I can see your readiness score your sleep and your activity. Okay, I don't use activity and you can hide what you don't want me to see I don't you think I care.

Kevin Palmieri:

You could see it all.

Alan Lazaros:

I could give a shit less okay, I could, I could care, I don't use it for activity I don't even have my aura on the point of all this?

Kevin Palmieri:

I do because I don't care. I wear my wedding ring, I wear my aura ring, I don't care how does that not fuck up your grip? Man. Oh, if you saw the, if you saw the, look at this massive yeah man. Also, my wedding ring is made out of like tungsten or something and if my finger breaks with it on, they have to amputate my finger. I'm like, I'll take my, I'll take my chances I'm right with that I'll take my chances yeah I kind of like the little piece of me that kind of likes it.

Alan Lazaros:

You know you are a reckless person as of right now.

Kevin Palmieri:

I have 10 fingers and my goal is to keep all 10 of them. The reason I'm even telling this freaking story I know I'm off on a tangent is public accountability is an amazing thing. It is a pain in the ass. And it is a pain in the ass and it is stressful and it makes you think and overthink and double think and triple think the things that you do. But when you know somebody else is gonna see what you're doing, you are more likely to do the right thing. You just are you. You just are. If, okay, let's say, let's say you go to the grocery store and you're the only person there, you take your groceries out in the cart, you fill your car up with your groceries, you might not put your cart back. You might not put your cart back if there is a group of people standing there just watching you with your car, your car back.

Kevin Palmieri:

You're gonna do it or you're gonna feel like a giant ass hat, and nobody wants to feel like a giant ass hat. That's what we're talking about today. Yes, it's scary sometimes to be part of an accountability group or have some built-in accountability, but what I said to alan before we did this episode was if you're afraid of failing in public, in front of people, it's going to be really hard to succeed in front of people, and it's just that extra necessity. When we do the 10 pound in 10 week challenge, I'm more fired up, for sure when we, when we do things like that, I'm always more fired up. Somebody asked me recently they said how do you guys stay so consistent with the podcast? I said it's in the fucking intro self-improvement in your pocket every day, every day that that piece is massive. I mean it's part of our branding, it's part of our identity and we have built in a public, public accountability. I can't talk to save my life.

Alan Lazaros:

It must be the 67 sleep score 62. It's not great.

Kevin Palmieri:

So anytime Alan rubs his hands together, you could something's about to happen. I'm excited.

Alan Lazaros:

There's a lot here. Three things that I work on in coaching is identity, process and results. People come to me they say they want this result. Well, we've got to work on the identity and the process, and when you mentioned the cart and 50 people sitting there waiting for you to put your cart back, this is a weird duality for me, because I actually think you should become the type of person that puts the cart back regardless of who the fuck is watching. I agree a thousand percent, I know. However, simultaneously, you are more likely to put the cart back when people are watching, and so you have to get that leverage on yourself. I told Kev before we hit record my take on this episode.

Alan Lazaros:

I think it's dangerous to be on one end or the other. If you only ever want to do things by yourself, you're basically not leveraging social learning and you're not leveraging community and you're not leveraging belonging. It's like you're not leveraging. If you want to be the best, you have to compete with the best. In sports sports, you know you got to play harder teams if you want to get better and you got to be on a great team that you fight for more than just yourself. You're in it for your other players. You're in it for your family. You don't want to let them down, that kind of thing. But if you require social necessity in everything you do, you're basically fucked, because when you're behind the scenes alone, you're not going to make good choices. And so there's two extremes that I don't think anyone should be on. If you're on the extreme of I want to do it myself, who I am and what I am when no one watches is all that matters. You're probably not leveraging all the cylinders in your car in this metaphor. You're definitely not, because one of the things that's most motivating in the human condition is social accountability and social learning and social necessity and wanting to look good in front of your peers or, more importantly, not wanting to look bad. And we talked about the embarrassment thing. But you also have to be willing to be embarrassed. That's the weird duality about all this. That's why it's so hard. But if you're on the other end of I need to have a wedding coming up in order to get in the gym, then you're also screwed because you're going to have to basically manufacture fitness shows or weddings or photo shoots every time you want to actually be disciplined. So to me, it's like a five-cylinder car and one of the cylinders in the five-cylinder car and one of the cylinders in the five-cylinder car. If you want that extra 20% of fucking fire, you've got to do something like the 10-pound and 10-week challenge. Or Kevin has a bachelor party coming up he wants to be shredded for, or a wedding coming up.

Alan Lazaros:

I often say most people before their wedding, the three months before they kick ass in the gym Most people, statistically. I would love to see the fucking stats on that. How many people work out consistently before their own wedding? I would love to see the stats on that. Are they doing it because they aspire to be healthy? No, they're doing it because they don't want to look like shit at their wedding In the wedding photos. They're going to be there for their family and for their family's family and for their grandkids and for all that stuff.

Alan Lazaros:

So to me, you've got to get so much leverage on yourself and you and I. I think I'll never forget when I was with Brandon Shout out to you brother. I broke down why he did so well in football and I put Brandon in the center on Zoom and I put all the things around it. I said you had an offensive coach. You had a defensive coach. You were named team captain, so your players believed in you and you had a responsibility there. You were named team captain so your players believed in you and you had a responsibility there. Your grandfather believed in you. No, your dad believed in you. Your grandfather was hard on you, so you had good cop, bad cop and the school counted on you. You wanted to be popular. He didn't really care about being popular, but he was popular because of it. You also were told you can't do it because you're too small. There's the chip on your shoulder. Luckily, you were ignited by that. You also had a dream and a goal and you had clear milestones. You also had a game every Sunday, so you can't slough off on Monday through Friday. Group coaching, by the way, is completely designed on all this.

Alan Lazaros:

People that come into NLU and into the community. They're always more motivated and it's because the environment is, by design, that way. Everyone who joined the 10 pound and 10 week challenge, by the way, reach out to me if you want to join, because we're still in the beginning, but I'm going to cut that off in basically a week. But when you come into the NLU team or the NLU community. You just are inherently more on point. You're more dialed in. A lot of people track metrics and habits. A lot of people are on point. A lot of people are more consistent.

Alan Lazaros:

It's because it's what we believe in, but a lot of it is the social necessity piece is no one wants to let the team down.

Alan Lazaros:

It's. There's a lot of. There's something called status cues and abundance cues and belonging cues, and if you study belonging cues, the team that has the most so this is going to be you know how athletes they slap each other on the butt. They did a research study where they counted the number of those things those are called belonging cues and then statistically, those teams tended to win more, whereas if someone is in the end zone celebrating by themselves and none of the other players come, that team's fucked, because it means it's about that person instead of the organization. And so, again, I study all this stuff because I'm trying to create a, a community and a company of, of just everyone, greatness, uh. And so I had to study all this, but ultimately you got to leverage this on yourself and hopefully you have a community of people that hold you fucking accountable, because five years from now we're all going to arrive and I hope we arrive somewhere healthy, wealthy and in love and not lost and despondent and broke.

Kevin Palmieri:

I had a very humbling moment. I told you about this. I had a very humbling moment where I said to Alan I was like it's going to be very weird. So we reinvest all of our money into the business At some point in the next few years there will be salaries I haven't had For you and I.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah yeah, I haven't had control of my own money in at least the last five years. For the first three we weren't like combined, we weren't a business yet. So whatever I made, I could spend. Whatever you made, you could spend and I did, I did so for the last five years I've essentially known that somebody sees everything I spend. Uh, yesterday, when I logged on to meet with alan, I was like hey man, I kind of fucked up and he's like what's up, man, yeah I was like I got burritos two days in a row I had to.

Kevin Palmieri:

I said Taryn's out of town. I'm really getting ready to dial in the fitness accountability thing. I needed a little bit of a cheat, but I know you're going to see that. I know if you track expenses, I don't know, you've been slacking a little bit so that that might've actually gotten through the cracks that I might see it.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, I know that you, I know that you might and I assume that you will. Yeah, that has helped me so much when it comes to spending less money, and I'm already preparing my mind for at some point that extra necessity is not going to be there to the degree that it is today.

Alan Lazaros:

And I need to make sure that I'm prepared for that. Nlu listener. What is happening? I just wanted to jump in here and let you know if you want to get to the next level faster. We have a free virtual monthly meetup at the first Thursday of every month. You can connect with like-minded people and become a bigger part of this amazing global community. The link to register will be in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

To Alan's point I mean Alan's going to be coaching me so I can always say, hey, let's look at my finances together. I'm sure that's going to happen, but I need to develop that skill too. To your point if I'm just relying on public accountability, that's potentially dangerous. And if I'm saying, well, I don't ever want anybody to see what I spend my money on that's also.

Alan Lazaros:

you're in trouble, that's also dangerous.

Kevin Palmieri:

So again, this is something that I think it just requires a very, very high level of humility to say look, my behavior is different when people can see it. I'm more likely to follow through, I'm more likely to be more consistent, I'm more likely to make the decision that my future self is going to thank me for when other people are there. Somebody wrote in the next level fitness next level fitness accountability group. They joined and they said this is really outside of my comfort zone, but I'm ready to do this. One, they know that there's a little bit of extra pressure. Two, they know that there could be judgment. There's not going to be in that group, but in groups there can be. And three, they know that when they say I'm ready, that probably means that they actually really want the result.

Kevin Palmieri:

More than anything else, they are saying I'm willing to put myself in an uncomfortable position to the degree I desire the outcome and I think that's extremely humble and in the right group, in the right crowd, around the right people. That's never going to look weak. That's appreciated. I love when people say I had a client say hey, can you give me like a checklist of the things that we talked about for homework. I won't do it unless I have like extra accountability. Of course I can Please. I love that, so he's far yes.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, you know what I've started doing in coaching too is when I give homework, I'll usually pull up the previous week's homework or previous by weeks homework or previous days homework, depending on how many calls, and we'll do green, yellow, red calls and we'll do green, yellow, red. Did you complete it? Green, did you start it and not finish it? Yellow and did you just fuck off and not do it? Red, and every time there's a little bit of green, yellow and red and the extra accountability. I've noticed a huge uptick. That's why we track metric metrics and habits, our metrics and habits for our team. We can all see each other's spreadsheets, everyone who let me ask you a question, do you?

Kevin Palmieri:

we used to do reports. So yeah, was weekly or bi-weekly. Everybody we would send everybody saw everybody's stuff. Everybody saw everybody's stuff. Do you think everybody is less consistent because there's not reports? Yeah, 100 uh, there's.

Alan Lazaros:

I think it was fitbit who first started this whole sort of research study. I don't know, maybe it was nike. Nike started this whole sort of research study. I don't know, maybe it was Nike plus Fitbit, I don't know. The point is that when everyone could see each other's steps, everybody walked more People walking around the fucking parking lot. Like it's just, some people are more concerned about what people think of them than others. Like for me, this is probably, and this is probably scary to share, but there's an uptick, for sure when people are watching, but not that big. For other people it's night and fucking day and it takes humility to own that. You need to. For you, there's a bigger uptick than there is. For me, for sure, and you know, that's why I lost my fitness shows, because it didn matter enough, uh, that other people knew I tried to win so, whereas kev literally would do whatever it took I signed up to win.

Kevin Palmieri:

I got laughed off stage and kev would never do that.

Alan Lazaros:

No, no, it's hilarious, so someone joined the. I'll read this anonymously, but I want to read this. Hi alan, I got this facebook message. Hi alan x Exclamation point. I hope you're doing well.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm reaching out because I'm eager to participate in your annual next level 10 pound and 10 week challenge. I started my journey on May 24th 2025, weighing in at 200 pounds, with a goal to lose between one to two pounds each week. My next check-in is scheduled for this Saturday. See how thorough the 31st and I'm determined to achieve a total weight loss of 20 pounds. I'm seeking your support and expertise to help me transform into my most athletic self this summer. Perfect, that's exactly the point. I'm really looking forward to your guidance and motivation through this challenge.

Alan Lazaros:

Thank you for creating such an inspiring opportunity. Awesome, perfect, perfect. So that's someone who has the humility to know that they're better off with accountability than without it, because a lot of times and I've said this to clients before too I said you will do more for me than you will for you. So I'm going to do this for you. I'm sick and tired of watching you not track. Get it the fuck together, or you're not coaching with me anymore. And I'm not saying that to be toxic. I'm saying that because guess who tracks every day. Now it's awesome, right. And I ping the team. I say, hey, amy, you're seven days behind on your tracking, or you're four days behind, or three days behind, or whatever it is, and I'm doing the same deal. I'm three days behind right now. Seriously.

Alan Lazaros:

That's why I was laughing for that reason because, it's like I've been last few months.

Alan Lazaros:

I've been three, four, five days behind, for sure. It's brutal man. Sometimes you fall a little behind. That doesn't mean that you don't do it, and I always update it. So I've been tracking habits for Brandon's been tracking habits since since 2020. I've had some people tracking habits for six years. Dude, it's. It's unbelievable what could happen. I mean, his whole life is transformed night and day compared to what it was. I have one person counting the days up to their certification, two people, three people actually doing that. Now it's just awesome.

Alan Lazaros:

So get a coach, get a mentor, have public accountability. That's another reason marriage is so powerful. Emilia, I'm accountable to her dude, like we, and she's accountable to me. Imagine if I work every Saturday and she's fucking off Like that's not how you build up dreams together. Imagine I'm working every Saturday and you're not.

Alan Lazaros:

We have accountability on accountability, on accountability. You have accountability from Taryn. We have accountability from each other. I have accountability with Emilia. We have accountability with our community. We have accountability with our clients that we're not doing on our show. Sometimes I feel like I'm doing things for our clients that I'm I don't have time to do on my own. So we have so much accountability and that is 100% an unsung hero cheat code that I think everybody needs more of.

Alan Lazaros:

For sure, I have one person who's four times a week. She never misses, and it's not just for her, it's because she doesn't want to let me down, she doesn't want to let the team down, she doesn't want. It's so obvious to me, and this is what I've learned as a coach too. I'm actually doing people a favor by staying on top of them. That used to be hard for me, because I used to feel a little bit like a dictator, and then eventually I realized you know what You're hiring me.

Alan Lazaros:

For this reason, I'm very upfront and I say I care about your success first, your fulfillment second and your feelings third. I'm going to hold you accountable. I'm not your fucking friend. Okay, we can be friendly, but I'm here to. I care more about your next level than this current level, and that's I'm the only person in your life who's going to care. No one else cares if you're super successful. No one else cares that you have a six pack. No one gives a shit that you have a six-pack seriously, like I do, and that's why I called you way back you want to see it.

Kevin Palmieri:

I didn't want to be sent you. Send you a picture when we get off, assigned uh eight by ten. I love it, man you're jacked again.

Alan Lazaros:

That's awesome, but at one point I was like brother, what the fuck is going on here.

Kevin Palmieri:

We're trying to grow the business. You know, let's try to grow the business but that was being.

Alan Lazaros:

I thought that was helpful it was.

Kevin Palmieri:

It was super helpful, for sure. Yeah, it was super helpful. Now again, maybe if you're out there, you don't need that direct level of feedback, but that's the relationship alan and I have and I've said he's giving it to me too. Yeah I've said, I've said worse to him, but I I knew that's what you needed to hear and it was.

Alan Lazaros:

I was feeling myself and you're like dude, that ain't it yeah it's like wait, wait, wait.

Kevin Palmieri:

You think you're in shape. Like why are you talking? Like you're hot shit, like you and I are wildly out of shape, Like you can't think that, we can't think that. And you're like well, kev, you're like well, kev, you're out of shape too. I know that, I know that you don't know that that's I, we're, we're jeffed here. Yeah, delusion is not good for real results.

Alan Lazaros:

It's not good for real results.

Kevin Palmieri:

But this is really like. This is something that is behind the scenes, under the current, that most people just don't see. But that is one of the reasons we are so consistent that if, if we took it out of our intro, if it came out of our branding, I have been on a thousand podcasts where I say I literally say this on purpose. We do an episode every day and we're most likely going to do that until we die.

Kevin Palmieri:

That whoa and I said like I don't know, but if I 80. I don't know, am I going to be in a podcast anymore? I think so, but even that's like essentially all you're doing is signing yourself up for something. This is all you're doing. You're saying I'm going to go into a group where people are going to hold me accountable to do the thing I said I wanted to do, even when I don't feel like I want to do it.

Alan Lazaros:

That's all.

Kevin Palmieri:

That's all you're doing, and that is my next level lesson. What is your next level lesson?

Alan Lazaros:

Okay, I got book club in three minutes, Speaking of accountability for reading more books. My next level lesson is this I did the traditional path of preschool, kindergarten, middle school, high school, college and corporate. Kevin was with me for all of that, except for college and corporate. And then we reunited as entrepreneurs.

Alan Lazaros:

I, when I got out of corporate, I realized I am not as productive as I thought it used to be. The bell rings be in class, report cards and progress reports, social accountability, on social accountability, on social accountability. And then when you start a company, no one cares if you do your YouTube videos, no one cares if you X, Y, Z. So it was like oh, so I bought this productivity planner. I'm not selling this, by the way. I'm not selling this. This is not ours. We have one called the Dreamliner. That's way better.

Alan Lazaros:

But way back in the day I was like I have to do something, I have to pay some money to be more productive, and this thing promised me I'd be 200% more productive. It was way better than that. I actually bought several of them and it just holds me accountable to what I say I'm going to do. And there's some good tricks in there, and that's why I started tracking metrics and habits is because I was realizing I'm not as. I'm lazier than I thought when I don't have social accountability. I'm lazier than I thought. Laziness is human nature. You have to overcome that shit if you want to reach the next level. So that's my next level lesson is it takes humility to admit that you're. The people who admit they're kind of lazy are actually the hardest working people in the world. It's fair.

Kevin Palmieri:

Okay, cool. If you are looking for extra accountability and you are a podcaster, july 8 2025, our next round of group coaching starts. So it is the next level podcast accelerator podcasting you grow yourself, you grow your, your podcast. You turn your podcast into a business. That is ultimately what the goal is.

Alan Lazaros:

So if you're looking for extra accountability that is starting on july 8th spend your summer with alan and I growing, scaling and monetizing your podcast group coaching is built around everything I taught brandon about why the football team and the organization, why he played d2 football as one of the smallest, uh, people. So a d3 I think actually my bad, but at the end of the day, statistically someone of a D3, I think actually my bad, but at the end of the day, statistically someone of his size was never going to make it to that level. The reason he made it to that level is because he's ridiculously hardworking and because he had a ton of these things, these social accountability structures, in place. Group coaching is literally designed based on that conversation I had with him. Boom.

Kevin Palmieri:

All right, as always. We love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you and at NLU, we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Alan Lazaros:

Keep it Next Level, next Level.

Kevin Palmieri:

Nation. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros:

We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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