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Are You Playing Life Like The Game It Is? (2088)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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Chasing quick wins can make life feel like a game to finish. In today’s eye-opening episode, Kevin and Alan unpack the difference between chasing short-term wins and building a life that lasts. They share real stories, tough lessons, and the one shift that helped them stop playing not to lose and start playing to grow. You’ll discover why self-belief is the foundation of long-term success and how to stop treating every moment like it’s the Super Bowl. If you’re ready to move from survival mode to sustainable growth, this conversation is for you.

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Show notes:
(2:38) What it means to play the infinite game
(4:22) Finite Vs. Infinite thinking in fitness
(6:24) Failing small to win big
(8:55) Why self-worth fuels long-term vision
(12:35) Ordinary Vs. Extraordinary thinking
(15:27) At NLU, your success is our purpose. Join us every first Thursday for tools, insight, and the spark to move forward. https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/drNdstrXSt6d7q7NnHITgA
(20:37) Aim higher, live better
(23:21) Fulfillment is a byproduct
(25:18) Letting go of perfection to keep playing
(27:14) You can change the game
(29:07) Outro

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Kevin Palmieri:

I think one of the hardest things about this journey for me is I have treated almost everything like it is the Super Bowl, when the vast majority of things I have done are just actually practices and eventually you get to like a really important practice. But if you treat everything like the Super Bowl, you're going to go through life in one of two ways Anxious all the time or not appreciating the practices in between the Super Bowls.

Alan Lazaros:

One time I said something that Kevin thought was really profound. I said the future matters more than the now, because the future is eventually going to be the now, and my point of that in this context is some people are playing a finite game in a life that is actually a little bit more of an infinite game.

Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University. I'm your host, kevin Palmieri, and.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus.

Kevin Palmieri:

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Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation today for episode number 2088,. Are you playing life like the game it is? I remember when I was a young boy I used to play the game of life and I always hoped, right back in the day. You remember a little spinner.

Alan Lazaros:

Of course you picked a car. You had a bunch of different cars, different color cars. Well, I think it was cars, right?

Kevin Palmieri:

I think you had one car to go through, but every time you landed on a certain thing, you picked up a card that would say like this is your job. There's so many kids you have. Then you could put your kids in the car nice, and you're right.

Alan Lazaros:

Your spouse like little little pegs, little sticks plastic pegs.

Kevin Palmieri:

I used to love that game I never, I never really fucked with monopoly. It was like too huge fan, understandable. I didn't really understand it. You're like this is gonna cash flow. I don't really understand. It wasn't really a fan I was more a fan.

Alan Lazaros:

I was more a fan of like oh, you're a doctor in the game of life, you make $250,000 a year.

Kevin Palmieri:

That's awesome. Why did I say that? Oh, because we're talking about that today. So Alan and I were having a conversation. He's like dude, I want to talk about game theory. And I was like dude, I don't. What do you mean?

Kevin Palmieri:

And he said well, oftentimes I think one of the reasons a lot of people get stuck is because they play a life like it's a finite game, meaning you can win, when in reality it's an infinite game, like there's no such thing. It just goes on forever. So he said what's the point of us getting to the next level? And I said so, we can get to the level. After that he said, all right, well, what's the point of that? And I said, well, well, so we can get to the level. After that he's like so, essentially, you just want to get to your potential. It's like, yeah, well, that's an infinite game because you're never actually going to get to your potential. So sell me, for lack of better phrasing on what are the personal development? Um, yeah, what are the benefits, from a personal development perspective, of that thought process in general?

Alan Lazaros:

oh, my goodness. So the two types of games are finite game and infinite game. Life, the board game is a third game, the third type of game no, no, that's. That's a finite game aka.

Alan Lazaros:

There's set rules, you know how many people are playing at any given time and there's a winner and a loser. That's not how life works. It's not how business works. That's not how reaching your potential works. There's no winner or loser. 10 pound in 10 week challenge. We have almost 40 people in our next level fitness accountability group. If you want more accountability and fitness, this is on fire. Love it love it little jump rope action today. Threw a video in there you did. Yes, I haven't seen it yet.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, yeah, not the best angle but jump ropes, are you got a little extra jump roping? Is that video will?

Alan Lazaros:

it's gonna hurt I did leg day with jump rope in between Huge mistake For sure. Yeah, I was humbled as hell, okay. So I was like on my knees most of the workout just breathing. So infinite game, finite game. A finite game is one workout. An infinite game is I want to work out so that I can have a better workout next time, so that I can have a better workout the time after that, so that I can have a better workout the time after that, so that I can increase the quality of my overall life.

Alan Lazaros:

Seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, quarters, decades, life. Back in the day, pre-car accident 10 years ago, I was doing a lot of shit that was bad for me. I was drinking too much and too often. That's the most I would say. My biggest regret in life was poisoning my brain with alcohol because I would run amok, I would, I would drink and I used to calculate the exact amount of drink in the exact amount of time, with the exact amount of food in my stomach, to get the optimal amount of drunk. I was like a chemist with this shit.

Kevin Palmieri:

I missed that mark many times. Very rarely did I miss under. I missed over a lot.

Alan Lazaros:

I missed over at least three times Blacked out. I've only blacked out three times in my life. Terrible idea, not great Terrible idea. Never once have I not regretted blacking out. Two types of people People who black out and pretend they don't regret it. People who black out and admit they regret it. I did some dumb shit, but anyways. So my point is is that life is actually a bunch of finite games within an infinite game. So sell you on it. Why does this even matter? Because if you're treating life like a finite game, you're playing not to lose. And if you're playing not to lose in the short term, you're actually losing in the long term. And if you're playing not to lose in the short term, you're actually losing in the long term. We call it micro failure for macro success. So Kevin gives a speech and does an okay job. Kevin's worst speech today would be better than his best speech eight years ago, no matter how much you prepped your first speech. You prepped seven times you said Yep, seven dry runs.

Alan Lazaros:

Seven dry runs To my zero dry runs. Between everyone out there watching or listening and this is just a metaphor I prepped zero times. Kevin's speech was better than mine. However, if he quit speaking two or three times after that and I kept going, kept going, kept going, kept going, kept going, kept going, kept going, kept going, kept going I would eventually be a better speaker because I was playing the infinite game. The infinite game is becoming the best speaker you can become. One speech doesn't matter that much in the infinite game, but if you're playing not to lose status or not to lose perception or not to get laughed off stage like I have, you basically are going to be losing long game and winning the short game, which is what most people do, unfortunately what?

Kevin Palmieri:

where is the time perspective connected to this? So, obviously, if you're somebody who has a very short time perspective, you're not going to believe in the long game and you're, of course, going to play for finite victory. So how? How does that connect to that?

Alan Lazaros:

Well, so you've been optimizing for sleep. You got a 67. Yeah, first of all something's going on.

Kevin Palmieri:

I don't know if my aura ring needs to be cleaned. I don't think. I think that's fuckery.

Alan Lazaros:

I don't think that's real Good or bad. I think it's bad. You think it's over or under Under way, under.

Kevin Palmieri:

So or under under way, under, so you think you got good sleep and it says I got six and a half hours.

Alan Lazaros:

We went to bed at 9 15. I got up at 6. Do the math? No way, it's bullshit. You sound asleep the whole time. I slept fairly well, okay, I cleaned my ring, that's for sure. And you got to understand too.

Kevin Palmieri:

These algorithms aren't perfect yeah, but this is anomaly. This is anomalous behavior to the point where I was like, oh, you know what? I have the vent open in the office and the AC is not blowing. As cool, we have central air into the bedroom. That's what it is. No, that's not what it is. Tested it.

Alan Lazaros:

Same shit. Good for you, little scientist over there.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, all right, I didn't think I'd call you little. I'm so sorry. You are a bigger scientist than I am for sure it depends on what time. Never call a short man little, it's tough it's or it's my bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you look really cute when you wear that, don't you? Fucking don't you? How dare you?

Alan Lazaros:

you did look cute, though, all right uh, what was your question?

Kevin Palmieri:

long so time perspective. How sleep?

Alan Lazaros:

sure your sleep. Yeah, real quick. You now are optimizing for sleep because you now understand that you so, kevin and I hit a point past 67 I want to live like into my 70s.

Alan Lazaros:

We hit a point in business where we were not aging well, yeah, for a little while there and we playfully joke this is nlu, not dad, bod you. And it's not just about our body but our minds and anyone who is our age or older. You've kind of witnessed your parents start to decline. It's been really hard for me to see older people start to decline, particularly my mom, stuff like that, my mom stuff like that, and it's part of life. But anyone who wasn't taking really good care of themselves we call it hashtag, take care of the asset you basically see them decline really bad at the tail end of life circle of life. So it's like a bell curve you kind of peak and then and then it starts to go bad.

Alan Lazaros:

My point is time perspective. This is why I'm so big on goals. If Kev has a goal to be sharp in his 80s, everything he has to do starting right now is different than if he doesn't have that goal. But here's the problem If you don't have self-belief, you won't play an infinite game, you won't play a long game. So without self-belief you're just playing not to lose. Everyone's playing not to lose something. Some people it's relationships, some people it's status, some people it's relationships, some people it's status.

Kevin Palmieri:

Some people it's not. How do you know? How do you know? How do you know what's the difference in terms of feeling or thinking? That's a whole nother rabbit hole into what's the difference between thinking that you're playing to win something versus playing not to do something. How do you know?

Alan Lazaros:

how do you know? One of them is scarcity and the other one is abundance, and it feels different.

Kevin Palmieri:

Okay, what does it feel like, describe like, if somebody said hey, I've never felt love before. It's like, well, it feels different than liking somebody. Well, tell me how um you die for them. That's what I got.

Alan Lazaros:

Nice, you die for them yeah.

Kevin Palmieri:

In a. That's what I got. Nice, you'd die for him, yeah in a heartbeat. I think that's the difference I do. I think it's that. Is it that simple? I don't know, but that's, that's my thesis I don't have a great answer for that.

Alan Lazaros:

In the feeling department, I'm not as good at that. I can think my way through this if you'd like, please, please, no, uh, how do you know that you're playing not to lose? Is that the question? How do you know which? That you're playing not to lose?

Kevin Palmieri:

Is that the question? How do you know which one you're playing?

Alan Lazaros:

One of them is more fear-based and the other one is more optimistic.

Kevin Palmieri:

Would you say one of them is running from something and one of them is running towards something? Yeah, the best way I've been able to explain it, that's good shit right there.

Alan Lazaros:

That's that's good shit. That's good shit right there. As a matter of fact, what we should do is kick this to you because you so Kevin and I we have this framework and I'm going to actually create it at some point. It's right now, it's just zoom notes and it's a real piece of shit. But the first half of it is finite thinking and what I call ordinary thinking, and the next half of the page is extraordinary thinking, and there's probably 15 categories under each.

Alan Lazaros:

I'll give you an example. So one is short-term versus long-term, one is finite versus infinite, one is quantum versus tangible, one is quantum versus tangible, one is clouds, one is dirt. And again, it's better than that. I promise I'm really still in it, but what I learned when Kevin and I first got together is that I had extraordinary thinking as scary as that is to share and Kevin had ordinary thinking, and then I learned from him and he learned from me the benefits of each, because each have pros and cons. So I created a third category called extra extraordinary thinking, meaning you not only think finite, infinite, but you also think finite simultaneously.

Alan Lazaros:

And that's where it gets really hard, because I have to, as a speaker, think infinite game but also understand the value of this one speech. I can't bomb every speech because then I lose the infinite game in the finite world, and so one of the challenges Emilia has is she's a very infinite thinker. She thinks quantum, she thinks in past, present, future, she thinks in webs spider webs is the way and I can tell she's an absolute genius. And the problem is she communicates in a way that people think she's an idiot and she doesn't mean to she. Just they don't know the words she's saying and they can't understand why. She doesn't understand why what she's saying is not landing. And we do the Conscious Couples podcast together and she'll share words that no one knows. And I said, sweetheart, you can't communicate effectively to someone in words they don't understand, so she'll say something like existential or I don't know.

Alan Lazaros:

The other day, lavender. Apparently, lavender is a flower Like no one fucking knows that, right? So you have to say lavender is a flower like you didn't know that, right? I think I probably did.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, that's where the same comes from.

Alan Lazaros:

The point is is, if I say ETF, no one knows what the fuck I'm talking about. It's an index fund Okay Well, no one knows what that is either. Okay, so let's go deeper. An index fund is a group of stocks Okay, well, what if someone doesn't understand stocks? Okay Well, a stock is a part of a company and then, as the company gets more valuable, you can sell it for money. Okay, so now everyone understands a little bit better what an ETF is.

Alan Lazaros:

Based on this conversation. But to bring this back, I want to ask you you've become an extraordinary thinker, in my honest opinion, and I never would have said that in the past because you kind of weren't. That's factual, no offense, but now you can communicate extraordinary thoughts and concepts to people who are still where you used to be, and I think that's what the best teachers in the world do. What's the ask? I mean you live. You are living, breathing, proof of someone who used to have super fucking finite, fixed mindset thinking, who now thinks super abundantly and super optimistic and future over past, and I think it's so infinite now.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think it's self-belief. I don't think you can be an infinite thinker, or what is it? Uh, the what's the label? Infinite.

Alan Lazaros:

Thank you, no, no, the other game.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, no the the the thinker though finite, finite, no, no, the extraordinary, extraordinary thing. We're not playing charades. Give me a second.

Alan Lazaros:

I don't know, orca, free willy jaws, bruce, I don't I don't know if you can free willy great, great movie.

Kevin Palmieri:

Oh my goodness, man, yeah oh, gee, yeah, but, but they fucked that whale up, though I know, man, you know how dare they Ruined the movie for me.

Alan Lazaros:

Nlu listener, what is happening? I just wanted to jump in here and let you know if you want to get to the next level faster. We have a free virtual monthly meetup at the first Thursday of every month. You can connect with like-minded people and become a bigger part of this amazing global community. The link to register will be in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Look, there's a little piece of me, and again, I'm not. You know this is a dark thought. Sometimes, when there's like an animal attack, there's a little piece of me like that's what you get Now. I know the person swimming with the orca didn't. You know they didn't, and they probably take really good care of them. But, like you know, you took a prehistoric fish and put them in a tank thing gets going to get pissed off every once in a while is called a killer.

Alan Lazaros:

Whale.

Kevin Palmieri:

That yeah, right that is the danger that we have. I think it starts very, very, very small and it's. I literally think there is a correlation between how much you believe in yourself and how much you believe in the long term, because you are the catalyst to the long term. This is going to sound like a joke. This is serious. I'm not. I am not joking about this. There have been times where, like recently in the last couple years, where it's like I really hope I don't drop dead at like 50 because, like the future is really bright in the past.

Kevin Palmieri:

I never thought that. I never thought that at all. It was like, yeah, it is what it is. It is what it is now called being.

Alan Lazaros:

That's so cool because that means you value your life so deeply, because I believe, because now you have something to lose.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yes, and I believe in my unique capability to improve my life. Yeah, I had this quote. I used to think it was the most profound thing ever of all time, so much to the fact where I might not even be able to recall it because it belongs in the the annals of time. It was annals. Is that even a fucking word? It's either annals or anals, and I don't think it's anals. Honestly, I think it's annals of time. I don't think it's the annals of time. I seriously doubt it. I need your full attention for this, though. Yeah, do I have it? Yeah, are you still typing on your phone?

Alan Lazaros:

it's annals of time most intended phrase a n n a l s it's spelled different than annals.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, that's what I said.

Alan Lazaros:

I said annals no, I know, but it's spelled like anal, but with two ends?

Kevin Palmieri:

yeah, makes sense. Okay, life is far too long if you are miserable on the day-to-day, but it is far too short if you enjoy your life yeah, yeah, it's fine.

Kevin Palmieri:

And I used to think that all the time when people say people come up to me or that sounds weird, yeah, they come up to me. No, I'll run into someone outside like, hey, how you doing? And they'll say I, you know. And I'll say, yeah, yeah, how you doing, living the dream. I don't know whose dream you're living. I get that all the time. I don't know whose dream, whose dream is it. I used to say that kind of kidding. Now it's like I really do enjoy my life. It's hard and it sucks some days and all that. But to bring it back, I am convinced there's a correlation between the amount of self-belief you have and the amount that you can see into the future. How do you, if you get in a car and you're doing a road trip across the country, if you think that car is going to break down? You're not worried about california, you're worried about getting to the next state, you're not.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, exactly so I metaphor, I appreciate metaphor I think that I think in.

Kevin Palmieri:

If you want to have a longer, if you want to have the ability to think longer term and more infinitely, you have to work on your self-belief.

Alan Lazaros:

I have no idea how I built that. You're a weird bird. I know how we build it. We have a formula. It's state-proof, self-assigned. Everything comes down to self-belief first, and then self-worth. You talking about how much you value you, playfully saying I hope I don't drop dead at 50.

Alan Lazaros:

First of all, there's things you can do to make sure that doesn't happen, and I'm not being playful, I'm very serious okay well, here's my point you value yourself and your life so much now that is self-worth that you actually will play the long game one of the only reason I don't smoke weed anymore.

Kevin Palmieri:

I want to smoke weed. Of course I want. I just know the detriment is bigger than I originally thought. This is why.

Alan Lazaros:

I think you will be so influential to so many people Because, as fortune cookie as I'm going to get for a second, you admit that you want to smoke weed, but you also value your future more than that, and that is the base. Like listen, our prehistoric ancestors didn't have to give a fuck about retirement.

Kevin Palmieri:

Like, there was no long term. They were dead at 35, right.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, we're wired Like you don't have to take care of your teeth, don't worry about it, you're going to be dead before they rot. Like every good choice, what does good even mean it means optimal? Every good choice. What does good even mean it means optimal? It's based on time perspective and that's why I believe so deeply in goals. Because if you don't have a goal to be well and able and functional at 80, you're going to smoke weed and you're going to drink and you're going to. You have no reason, you have no necessity. I don't care if we're.

Alan Lazaros:

That's why I aim high, because the byproduct of aiming high is better choices, and I hope that's what next level is built on. It's built on this idea that if you're fighting for something meaningful a bigger, better, brighter future you're going to make better choices, and if you do that will influence others and the whole world becomes a better place. When more people do that, like I. I know this sounds like crazy. I used to not share shit like this because I was a fucking coward. But like we're trying to make the world a better place, that's, that's the real goal.

Alan Lazaros:

I could have done anything else that would have been more profitable. I I I got job offers, like recently, that are more profitable in the temporary now, in the long term definitely not. But like this was the worst option hands down economically, without a fucking question. But it's not about that for us. It's about making the world a better place and I think that that's that's what we can all do. Everybody can do that, and and if they do eight years in, like you, they might value their life. Someone who went from suicidal ideation I don't even want to be here to, oh my God, I seriously hope that I don't drop dead at 50. I mean, to me that is massive transformation.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think if you want to do anything, you got to start with you. I think that's that. That is my next level lesson and my my theory for this episode is I didn't start out saying I want to have a longer time perspective. That was not. It like this is a very, very beneficial byproduct of building self-belief. I started out saying I don't fucking doubt myself so much, I'd like like to feel like I'm capable of doing stuff that would be cool, nice, and that's that where it started. And then the reps compounded and, and that has been a very unique benefit of personal development and of growth. But that was never the goal for me.

Alan Lazaros:

Last question Finite, infinite you used to think finite of. Like this speech, this moment, this night, this weekend. What would you say to someone about the benefits of thinking more long-term? Because I sold you on it. It took me years, but I did sell you on it and that's really good. And now you can sell it to people and their life will improve and they'll have to give up. Life will improve and they'll have to give up the previous level and they'll have to make trade-offs and sacrifices and they'll have to take the high road and it'll be harder and more challenging and it'll you'll have to give up certain things, but it will be better, it's. That's what people always ask me. What's the point if you're just going to get to the next level and then the next level, the next level? It's like what's the point? It's better than the alternative. The alternative is hating your fucking life.

Alan Lazaros:

I've been there like fulfillment and love and joy. They're byproducts. They're not goals, they're byproducts. I'm in love with emilia as a byproduct of becoming a better man. I would never have been able to meet her and she's in love with me as a byproduct of her trying to be a better woman and she was obsessed with personal development. So was I Like I would never have met her if I wasn't? And I think that that's yeah. So my question for you is you, that used to be finite sell me on it. Well, I don't have to sell you, you already have it. No, no, sell the audience on it. Oh, the listeners sell the listener on it.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think the reason I was so finite is because I felt like I had to control the moment and I had to control the outcome and I had to control exactly what would happen, because if it went horribly wrong, that might be the last time I do that thing. So I think in the the beginning, honestly in the beginning, I think it served me in the very beginning when I over prepped and I did seven, seven dry runs and then did really well. I think that was great because it allowed me to show up and do it again. Now, if I stayed that way forever, it would become extremely detrimental. So I would say right now, if you do feel like you're a finite thinker which the vast majority of humans are and again, no, no shame in that Like that's where we all start. If it goes wrong, it's the end of the world. It is not the end of the world. It's going to suck and it's going to feel bad. The only time it's actually the Super Bowl is if you stop playing. The Super Bowl is the Super Bowl for a reason because it's the last game of the season. It is a finite game. You can't. There are no games after that, until next season.

Kevin Palmieri:

So I think you have to get out there and you have to do your best and you will fuck up and you will make mistakes and it will not go as well as you want, but you just have to make sure you have enough belief to show up next time and that's why I'm totally good with using it as training wheels in the beginning. If my first speech went terrible, I might not be a speaker anymore, would you probably not? My second speech was dog shit, but I had enough. I had enough belief from the first. I'm telling you, I'm very honestly, if that was, if that second speech was my first speech, I don't know if I'd be speaking anymore. Very honestly, I don't know it was good for me to be so obsessed with making sure it went well, because then it actually went well. Now I have more confidence of like ah, worst case, it doesn't go that well, I'll, I can learn from it.

Alan Lazaros:

What if I purposely bombed mine so you'd feel better? It wouldn't surprise me. I didn't, at least not consciously, I can promise you. I didn't consciously, emilia, still to this day. Last piece, emilia our very first date was axe throwing and I crushed it. I grew up in the woods, baby, I was throwing axes, hatchets when I was a little kid, crushed it, hammered that bullseye. She's like I let you win. I said, sweetheart, I need to know the truth. Like, did you really? And, by the way, please don't, please don't? She still hasn't told me. I think she might have honestly let me win. Yeah, I think she probably let you used to a male ego and she didn't know that. I would actually prefer her to beat me so that I could. I'd be axed on right now, probably, but I'm joking. Uh, she has this thing where she doesn't like to be significantly better than others because it makes them feel insecure.

Alan Lazaros:

I said, sweetheart, that ain't me yeah, yeah I want you to be better than me at everything. Everything, drive me. Let's do this. I am sick and tired of leading from the fucking front. Please lead from the front, and uh.

Kevin Palmieri:

So anyways, I could throw a mean axe I was gonna say, if you need to cut out of here early to go get your axe throwing and just let me know we cut it a couple minutes early, all right, what's the? What's your next level lesson? And then we'll we'll get out of here, um game theory sounds, I don't know, useless.

Alan Lazaros:

It's not. It's really important and you can study it. It's there's, there's a subject, there's books. At the end of the day, what is the purpose of this game called life? You get to choose. You get to choose how to, how you play the game and don't play someone else's fucking game. That's my. If you understand the game that you're born into, which is your family paradigm, you can. You can choose eventually to to change the game. You can change the game that you're born into, which is your family paradigm. You can. You can choose eventually to to change the game. You can change the game. You can live somewhere else, you can move somewhere. You can date someone else. You, you have options. You just if you feel stuck, there's a way out, there's a way to change the game and I think game theory can help people do that.

Kevin Palmieri:

Boom all right, cool if you are looking to get to the next sir. I already gave mine a while. I guess several, I mean I gave the greatest quote of all time, next level lesson I did.

Kevin Palmieri:

You were. You were probably so deep in trance from my thoughts that you didn't you didn't pick it up. I don't even remember what it was. What are you plugging? I'm gonna I was literally just gonna say something simple along the lines of hey, if you want to get to the next level and you're really focused on that and you're really committed to maximizing your potential, you can download, I mean buy the Dreamliner. Sorry, you can't download the Dreamliner yet. Maybe at some point you'll be able to do that.

Alan Lazaros:

Hard copy Dreamliner next level Dreamliner. Achieve your dreams 90 days at a time. And if anyone needs help with their goals and dreams, I say this to my clients I will care about your success. I will be the only person in your life who cares about your success as much or more than you do. That can be very, very, very helpful. Let me let me push you to the next level. Let me help you be more driven. Let me pull you, push you. Whatever metaphor you want, I will definitely hold a high standard and help you hit that standard and then raise it and raise it, and raise it. And it's my favorite work in the world.

Kevin Palmieri:

Gets the next level with us Well, particularly Alan. But I'll be there in spirit All right, as always. We love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Alan Lazaros:

Keep it next level, next Level Nation.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next.

Alan Lazaros:

Level family. We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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